Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Sloonei]

Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

[JaggedJimmyJay]

TH was in Jack's camp until this moment, without exception:

Spoiler: show

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

Cause he forgot about his townread on her cause it was fake. Or cause Nutella was suddenly more appealing as a lynch considering she was counterwagon to his buddy Radish (which would be convenient considering our top wagons) than she was when I was the only player voting for her.

My progression is out there for everyone to see. Mac's progression doesn't exist on the thread.

Nah I don't buy that

You bad

I'm not bothered by this. I think I can see the wheels turning in both players' heads here -- both regarding Jack's theory and Turnip Head's reception of that theory. The whole exchange is on-brand.

[Epignosis]

Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Why?

[Sloonei]

Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Why?

Because Jay's town and we're not about to lynch him in the last half hour of the day with several viable options on the board.

[Sloonei]

TH was in Jack's camp until this moment, without exception:

Spoiler: show

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

Cause he forgot about his townread on her cause it was fake. Or cause Nutella was suddenly more appealing as a lynch considering she was counterwagon to his buddy Radish (which would be convenient considering our top wagons) than she was when I was the only player voting for her.

My progression is out there for everyone to see. Mac's progression doesn't exist on the thread.

Nah I don't buy that

You bad

I'm not bothered by this. I think I can see the wheels turning in both players' heads here -- both regarding Jack's theory and Turnip Head's reception of that theory. The whole exchange is on-brand.

Yeah that doesn't look unnatural to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

G-Man's vote does not inspire confidence either.

[Sloonei]

G-Man's vote does not inspire confidence either.

None of the single voters do. Epi's is one of the least worrying, honestly. He's here and apparently trying to do something provocative with it.

[Sloonei]

Tony moved from juliets to TH. Lame. [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] why?

[Jackofhearts2005]

TH was in Jack's camp until this moment, without exception:

Spoiler: show

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

Cause he forgot about his townread on her cause it was fake. Or cause Nutella was suddenly more appealing as a lynch considering she was counterwagon to his buddy Radish (which would be convenient considering our top wagons) than she was when I was the only player voting for her.

My progression is out there for everyone to see. Mac's progression doesn't exist on the thread.

Nah I don't buy that

You bad

I'm not bothered by this. I think I can see the wheels turning in both players' heads here -- both regarding Jack's theory and Turnip Head's reception of that theory. The whole exchange is on-brand.

Opinion noted.

[Epignosis]

Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Why?

Because Jay's town and we're not about to lynch him in the last half hour of the day with several viable options on the board.

Yesterday ruined me for this day phase. I can't keep up and shit keeps piling up.

Why is your preference Radishes over Mac?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Opinion noted.

What's your take on the Turnip?

[Sloonei]

Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Why?

Because Jay's town and we're not about to lynch him in the last half hour of the day with several viable options on the board.

Yesterday ruined me for this day phase. I can't keep up and shit keeps piling up.

Why is your preference Radishes over Mac?

It's not really. I've been on Radishes for a while because I like to keep the poll close during the day. I'm okay with either of them. I guess I do feel a little bit more strongly about Radishes, but that's probably just because I've been on him from the beginning and have not shaken that suspicion. It's a more entrenched case for me. With Mac I just feel icky about one post he made. Other people have had a lot more to say about him.
I'm also open to G-man.

[Epignosis]

Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Why?

Because Jay's town and we're not about to lynch him in the last half hour of the day with several viable options on the board.

Yesterday ruined me for this day phase. I can't keep up and shit keeps piling up.

Why is your preference Radishes over Mac?

It's not really. I've been on Radishes for a while because I like to keep the poll close during the day. I'm okay with either of them. I guess I do feel a little bit more strongly about Radishes, but that's probably just because I've been on him from the beginning and have not shaken that suspicion. It's a more entrenched case for me. With Mac I just feel icky about one post he made. Other people have had a lot more to say about him.
I'm also open to G-man.

Turnip Head has four votes. Your take on him?

[Dyslexicon]

Cfd Sloonei, anyone?

[Sloonei]

Steaming the tamales, which I've never made before and am unlikely to make again. What a pain in the ass. Who came up with the idea of putting dough in corn husks?

I'm here for half an hour.

move your vote

Why?

Because Jay's town and we're not about to lynch him in the last half hour of the day with several viable options on the board.

Yesterday ruined me for this day phase. I can't keep up and shit keeps piling up.

Why is your preference Radishes over Mac?

It's not really. I've been on Radishes for a while because I like to keep the poll close during the day. I'm okay with either of them. I guess I do feel a little bit more strongly about Radishes, but that's probably just because I've been on him from the beginning and have not shaken that suspicion. It's a more entrenched case for me. With Mac I just feel icky about one post he made. Other people have had a lot more to say about him.
I'm also open to G-man.

Turnip Head has four votes. Your take on him?

Town

[Sloonei]

Cfd Sloonei, anyone?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tony moved from juliets to TH. Lame. @TonyStarkPrime why?

No one was voting for Juliets.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Cfd Sloonei, anyone?

No

[Sloonei]

Tony moved from juliets to TH. Lame. @TonyStarkPrime why?

No one was voting for Juliets.

Yes I know, your first vote was lamer than the second, but they're both still lame. Why TH out of all the options on the board right now?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] I only see TH included in your "baddie" section of your reads list and a qualifier that he is a "shrug read". Is that still accurate?

[MacDougall]

Okay so the fact that I have had 6 unmoved votes on me for the past 2 hours approaching deadline is a pretty solid indication that both scum teams are on my wagon imo.

The fact that Jack/TH/G-Man and Radishes wagons have all had no momentum strongly indicates at least 1, probably more of them are solid wagons.

I am not letting you lynch me today. So figure out where to put your vote that isn't me. This ain't happening.

[MacDougall]

I am not going to vote for TH unless I have no choice. G-Man and MR are the counterwagons here imo. If you don't want to be on me at end of day start.contemplating which of them you want lynched. I would prefer it to be MR over G-Man beacuse the MR suspicion has the right combination of momentum without ever seeming to be able to get over the line. Of the three c'wagons I'd say that's your huckleberr.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Someone tell me why Master Radishes is a civilian.

[Sloonei]

Quick scan of the roles list for possible anti-town vote manipulation

The Anti-Monitor - You will survive the first two nightkill attempts, and you will start each Day with -2 votes. If you perform your team’s kill, it cannot be protected against by regular means. Each night, you will search for Harbinger, and if you find her, she will kill the Monitor.

This is the only explicit vote manipulation listed. Each mafia team has a role with *secrets* as well as the remaining indie. Make of this what you will.

[MacDougall]

[mention]juliets[/mention], [mention]S~V~S[/mention], [mention]tedxtr[/mention] if you are neither here nor there between MR and G-Man, please move your vote to MR now.

[S~V~S]

I am not going to vote for TH unless I have no choice. G-Man and MR are the counterwagons here imo. If you don't want to be on me at end of day start.contemplating which of them you want lynched. I would prefer it to be MR over G-Man beacuse the MR suspicion has the right combination of momentum without ever seeming to be able to get over the line. Of the three c'wagons I'd say that's your huckleberr.

I started out there I could go back. I don't wanna lunch TH either.

[Dyslexicon]

Someone tell me why Master Radishes is a civilian.

Because he was tugging at my heart strings.

[MacDougall]

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] help

[G-Man]

Okay so the fact that I have had 6 unmoved votes on me for the past 2 hours approaching deadline is a pretty solid indication that both scum teams are on my wagon imo.

The fact that Jack/TH/G-Man and Radishes wagons have all had no momentum strongly indicates at least 1, probably more of them are solid wagons.

I am not letting you lynch me today. So figure out where to put your vote that isn't me. This ain't happening.

Okay, I don’t trust Sloonei, so I can’t vote for Radish. I’m not crazy enough to vote for myself (yet). That leaves TH. I don’t have a handle on the case for lynching him, so care to share? There’s too much post-vomit to sift through and I’ve got ironing to do.

[Sloonei]

Someone tell me why Master Radishes is a civilian.

The most convincing argument I've come up with (and it's not insignificant) is that I simply don't know him, and all of the things that I find suspicious are just unfamiliar habits.
I think he's settled in as my top choice.

[MacDougall]

Okay so the fact that I have had 6 unmoved votes on me for the past 2 hours approaching deadline is a pretty solid indication that both scum teams are on my wagon imo.

The fact that Jack/TH/G-Man and Radishes wagons have all had no momentum strongly indicates at least 1, probably more of them are solid wagons.

I am not letting you lynch me today. So figure out where to put your vote that isn't me. This ain't happening.

Okay, I don’t trust Sloonei, so I can’t vote for Radish. I’m not crazy enough to vote for myself (yet). That leaves TH. I don’t have a handle on the case for lynching him, so care to share? There’s too much post-vomit to sift through and I’ve got ironing to do.

I don't have a scum read on TH so I cannot help you there.

[Sloonei]

Okay so the fact that I have had 6 unmoved votes on me for the past 2 hours approaching deadline is a pretty solid indication that both scum teams are on my wagon imo.

The fact that Jack/TH/G-Man and Radishes wagons have all had no momentum strongly indicates at least 1, probably more of them are solid wagons.

I am not letting you lynch me today. So figure out where to put your vote that isn't me. This ain't happening.

Okay, I don’t trust Sloonei, so I can’t vote for Radish. I’m not crazy enough to vote for myself (yet). That leaves TH. I don’t have a handle on the case for lynching him, so care to share? There’s too much post-vomit to sift through and I’ve got ironing to do.

Why don't you trust me, and why does distrusting me exclude you from voting alongside me in a game with two mafia teams?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Someone tell me why Master Radishes is a civilian.

Because he was tugging at my heart strings.

[nutella]

Could we lynch Sabie?

Thanks for reminding me that I wanted to ask @MacDougall what he saw as Sabie's scum tell.

She worked too hard to quantify tossing a vote on me. She wrote a prep post for it, then in the vote post she wrote a wall of drivel to justify voting there. It's what nervous scum do especially when voting to block progression of a teammate wagon.

I've also not been a fan of TH this game I just read the ISO. My first issue with them at the beginning of the game was making reads with no real explanation. Then their treatment of colin was weird to me like they were so sure its gotta be colin and anyone who thought maybe give colin a chance must be bad too. Now all of a sudden since no one was following that he's onto something else. Shrug idk I don't feel great about him so far.

I think right now though I feel worse about mac. I'm not seeing him as civ and in looking back at other games I could see his responses as a scum mac. He is trying to get people off himself without trying to make cases elsewhere. His blindly following jack on nutella was meh. I know he has a way of trying to sneakily get suspicion in different directions without directly saying it.
[VOTE: mac] aubergine

This is a classic scum vote. Talk about someone else first. But ultimately have little reason to have even brought it up because the goal is to get your vote on the mislynch.

honestly this is actually a really good point. I still think Mac is scum but he could be right about sabie if they're on opposing scum teams and she's teammates with gman or radish or jack or th -- not sure what exactly the poll looked like at the time so not sure which is the more likely relevant counterwagon, but your argument about it being TH since they're the one she mentioned in the post and justified not voting makes sense (although I mostly townread them).

I still think sloonei is scum and probably a teammate of mac -- especially given his big push on sabie right after mac's callout of her. Not a great look with that timing and all, like this is the last hope they have to start up another promising counterwagon to save mac?

I see SVS asked me something about mac but I'm not really clear on what she's asking. I have stated pretty clearly that I suspect mac, and his progression on me was icky since he townread me at first but as soon as jack seemed confident I was bad he just latched on to that, trusting jack's history without taking into account his own prior read of me and then just confbiased everything I said as scummy -- and as Jay pointed out, town mac tends to tunnel his reads a lot more and doesn't just 180 based on someone else's opinion. I know he'll argue that he strengthened his scumread of me independently during our interaction but at the time it felt like he was forcing/projecting it. And he *still* never even acknowledged my actual flip so it's like he's afraid to admit he was wrong.

Anyone suspecting sprityo is wrong, he's town imo. His vote for nanook wasn't *ideal* but he's coming from a limited perspective since he hasn't had time to read everything (he spent a large portion of the beginning of the game flying halfway around the world) and his vote was based on a hard stance that he took that colin was a mislynch target, and I respect that.

Still have mixed feelings about Jack, idk there. He does seem to be holding back a little bit which isn't great, but there have been several things that made me think he's just more likely town.

I would be interested in nutells take on Mac during her lynch, if she is around and has a dead post to spare.

My suspicion of Mac was based on his behavior during her lynch, and reading back, his progression seemed pretty natural to me. It did not have the baddie stink about it.

I should be back in about an hour, maybe less.

I'll speak in case she is out of or low on ghost posts: she voiced suspicion of Mac before she was dead. You can piece together her perspective around that point in her post history.

I know that; I meant the wisdom that coems from the afterlife. I love this mechanic! I want someone to use it lol. Lots of games after I die, it all seems so clear

Man I wish it seemed clear, lol. I promise you it doesn't -- maybe because we don't have any other flips yet lol. Luckily I still get 2 posts on n2/d3 and one on n3/d4. It's gonna be hard to ration though.


Epi seems to feel about Jay the same way I feel about Sloonei. I don't think we can both be right. I think Jay's ok and Sloonei is not.

@Dizzy yesss cfd sloonei i might even say I'm more confident about him than about mac at this point. idk. I really know nothing jon snow
Honestly the static-ness of the mac train is kinda concerning

[Sloonei]

g-man and radishes are partners.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

In dead 3p we trust

[juliets]

God, am I going to have to choose between MR who I've had a town read on for 2 days or Mac who I don't see as scum at this time? This is impossible.

[S~V~S]

g-man and radishes are partners.

This ^^^

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Stay the course lads, imo

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime I only see TH included in your "baddie" section of your reads list and a qualifier that he is a "shrug read". Is that still accurate?

Yes still a shrug read. I don’t have a huge scum read against anyone else in lynch contention.
I think this game is too big to try to sway things

[juliets]

g-man and radishes are partners.

This ^^^

Ohh wow why?

[Epignosis]

I just tied it up.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Not feeling the Jack or G-man wagons.

Will check in later.

A little while earlier G had been in Radish's "mushy middle" on a reads list.

Okay so the fact that I have had 6 unmoved votes on me for the past 2 hours approaching deadline is a pretty solid indication that both scum teams are on my wagon imo.

The fact that Jack/TH/G-Man and Radishes wagons have all had no momentum strongly indicates at least 1, probably more of them are solid wagons.

I am not letting you lynch me today. So figure out where to put your vote that isn't me. This ain't happening.

Okay, I don’t trust Sloonei, so I can’t vote for Radish. I’m not crazy enough to vote for myself (yet). That leaves TH. I don’t have a handle on the case for lynching him, so care to share? There’s too much post-vomit to sift through and I’ve got ironing to do.

G-man excuses himself from voting for Radishes because I'm on that wagon. There are two mafia teams. If G-man is a civilian my presence on this wagon shouldn't matter at all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]G-Man[/mention] what's your read on Mac? Hurry

[juliets]

Ok damnnit Sloonei if you are wrong...I'll change to MR. May the devil take my soul.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’ll vote Radishes over Mac. I think a Mac lynch is wildly random, he’s at least hunting. In multiball or whatever that might be less effective, but I think his insight has been good.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Opinion noted.

What's your take on the Turnip?

Town until he voted me. I’m thinking Mac has at least one buddy that did so. Dunno if it’s TH.

[Sloonei]

God, am I going to have to choose between MR who I've had a town read on for 2 days or Mac who I don't see as scum at this time? This is impossible.

G-man just became equally as viable as Radishes imo. How do you feel about him?

linki: hello, i appreciate the confidence. but why are am i responsible for your vote, juliets?

[Dyslexicon]

Sloonei, I used the same argument for Ted as your using for G-man/Radish now

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If radishes is scum I supported this the whole time.

If he flips town then I’m gonna say I told you so.