Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Dom]

i think the actual order is lynch sig and then we see

I agree.

Also I was right about Mac from Day 1 and he threw a tantrum to try and piss me off. It worked, I was mad, but he also got lynched so whatever.
Who fed into that?

The answer is turnip head, folks.

[juliets]

One more thing to point out, not only has Jay defended me but S~V~S also defended me. Haven't seen her since she died so don't know if she's changed her mind.

[Dom]

Why is that a good thing, juliets?

[juliets]

One thing I want to point out from our thread level is [mention]speedchuck[/mention] responded negatively to the news that sprityo was in the lead in this thread (Saito told us). I voted for him in our level but regretted it when Long Con told us sprityo was lynched. I haven't looked at all his posts in this thread but I'm leaning town on him right now.

[juliets]

Why is that a good thing, juliets?

That S~V~S defended me? Because she was town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Turnip Head is bad

[Turnip Head]

Let's get Jimmy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Turnip Head is bad

His read on Mac was fake crap

I'll expand in a bit.

[juliets]

Jack can you point me to a post where you discuss which of Jay's analyses you disagree with or is your disagreement sprinkled throughout many posts?

[juliets]

oops [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] ^ ^

[JaggedJimmyJay]

juliets is obviously a civilian, and I am going to murder anyone in this thread pretending they cannot see that

[Turnip Head]

Turnip Head is bad

His read on Mac was fake crap

I'll expand in a bit.

No it wasn't, it just looks that way because I was wrong

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Turnip Head is bad

His read on Mac was fake crap

I'll expand in a bit.

No it wasn't, it just looks that way because I was wrong

You ignored contrary perspectives

[Tranq]

Hello. After a thorough investigation, our inception group came to the conclusion that Quin has to be lynched next.

That is all.

[Turnip Head]

Turnip Head is bad

His read on Mac was fake crap

I'll expand in a bit.

No it wasn't, it just looks that way because I was wrong

You ignored contrary perspectives

You're right. That makes me a civ who is bad at my job. But I wasn't the only one who civ read him

[G-Man]

Okay gang, here's what I/we worked with in our tier 2 dreamland. It's based off of Michelle's post, but I updated some names based on recent reveals. I've added sprityo to the mix now too. One topic of discussion we were having was compatibility with Team Mac or as the Anti-Monitor given vote patterns through Day 3. Once we get D4 poll results (I hope we get to see them all, I can add those too, but who knows just yet how useful they will be.

Red = Team Master
Purple = Team Anti-Monitor
Orange = 3P
Green = Civvie

Day 1:
1 DIZZY - Tony
1 JACK - Sprityo
1 JJJ - Radishes
6 RADISHES - JJJ, Ted, SVS, Michelle, Sloonei, Dizzy
1 NANOOK01 - Sig
6 NUTELLA01- Nanook01, Turnip, Sabie, Jack, Mac, Dom
2 SPEED - Epi, Nutella01



Day 2:
1 G-MAN - Ted
7 MAC - Speed, Sig, Jack, Dom, Sabie, Sprityo, Nanook02
9 RADISHES - Tony, JJJ, SVS, Sloonei, Epi, Juliets, Mac, Colin, Turnip
2 SLOONEI - Dizzy, G-Man
3 TURNIP - Michelle, Tranq, Radishes



Day 3:
2 JACK - Turnip, Mac
10 MAC - Ted, Tony, G-Man, Jack, Michelle, Nanook02, Sig, Sprityo, Epi, Tranq
8 SIG - Colin, SVS, Sloonei, Dom, Speed, Nutella02, JJJ, Juliets

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You're right. That makes me a civ who is bad at my job. But I wasn't the only one who civ read him

I don't care about civ reading him. Shit happens. juliets did that too and I think she's the most obvious civilian in the game.

I think you're bad.

[G-Man]

Only going off of the color-coded votes, I made the following observations:

-JJJ and Sloonei have voted on the same train all three days.

-All of JJJ and Sloonei’s votes have been for members of Team Anti-Monitor. This makes them both compatible with Team Master.

-Michelle voted once for both baddie teams and once for an unconfirmed player. This makes her hard to read.

-Looks like Day 1 ended before Speed, Juliets, and I voted. This makes analysis hard as well.

-Juliets D2 and D3 voted were for Team Anti-Monitor.

-Speed’s two votes are split across the two baddie teams. That muddies the waters.

-I voted for an unconfirmed and bounced between sig and Mac D3. Good luck with that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack can you point me to a post where you discuss which of Jay's analyses you disagree with or is your disagreement sprinkled throughout many posts?

Like he came back with positive reads on most of my suspects (iirc TH, Sloonei, you) and negative ones on people I townread (iirc Tony and Sprityo and maybe Michelle).

[G-Man]

On Day1, we know that Team Master had it easy. It was Team Anti vs 3P. Day 2 Mac was a suspect but not as glaringly as on Day 3. I suspect that Team Master was more likely to have a member or two voting on the Mac train to stay blended in the crowd.

Unknown Day 2 Radish (Team Anti) Voters:
-Tony
-JJJ
-Sloonei
-Epi
-Juliets
-Colin
-Turnip


Unknown Day 3 Sig (Team Anti) Voters:
-Colin
-Sloonei
-Dom
-Speed
-JJJ
-Juliets



NOTE: The following was based on being stuck in a thread with only JJJ, Juliets, Michelle, Sloonei, and Speedchuck. We operated under the assumption that one of us was probably a baddie.

So if we assume that there is a baddie in our midst, then there’s a higher probability of him or her being on Team Master.

My rough vote analysis suggests to me that it’s one of Juliets, JJJ, and Sloonei because of their two-day ‘avoidance’ of Team Master trains.

Thoughts?

Other behavior to consider:

-Michelle voted for Mac on D3 when it was ‘obvious’ to vote for him. On D2, she voted away from the two lead trains.

-Speed voted for Mac on D2 when voting Mac was less of a sure thing. On D3, he hopped aboard the Sig Express.

Which is more likely- a baddie voting away from a teammate on D2 when they’re not exposed but then soft bussing the day it helps to fit into the crowd, or voting for your teammate on a day when you don’t really have to but then chasing the new hottness that might buy your teammate another day?


We ended up splitting our vote this way:

JULIETS: Michelle
MICHELLE: JJJ, Sloonei, Speechuck
SPEEDCHUCK: G-Man, Juliets

[Jackofhearts2005]

juliets is obviously a civilian, and I am going to murder anyone in this thread pretending they cannot see that

Oh yeah? You gonna murder me, Jay?

[Turnip Head]

Listen if I get lynched I get it. My read of Mac is basically indefensible. But I'm not going down like a sprityo, I'll go kicking and screaming and fighting for my town

[JaggedJimmyJay]

juliets is obviously a civilian, and I am going to murder anyone in this thread pretending they cannot see that

Oh yeah? You gonna murder me, Jay?

If you're pretending you're blind absolutely

[Jackofhearts2005]

What do you call someone who murders people in a mafia game?

Mafia. Gottem.

[juliets]

Jack can you point me to a post where you discuss which of Jay's analyses you disagree with or is your disagreement sprinkled throughout many posts?

Like he came back with positive reads on most of my suspects (iirc TH, Sloonei, you) and negative ones on people I townread (iirc Tony and Sprityo and maybe Michelle).

Thanks, I'll take a look when I can.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I may be entirely misremembering what I disagreed with Jay about but that’s not important.

[Jackofhearts2005]

You're right. That makes me a civ who is bad at my job. But I wasn't the only one who civ read him

I don't care about civ reading him. Shit happens. juliets did that too and I think she's the most obvious civilian in the game.

I think you're bad.

Enlighten us on Juliets.

[speedchuck]

If only one thread was going to get a lynch there's no reason to assume there would be a scum in each level, right?

I think it's still possibly the case, though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Town
Jack, Dom, Tony

Possibly Antimonitor
Michelle (probably just town), Sig (confirmed), Nanook

Possibly Master
Epi (probably just town), Jay, Juliets, Sloonei, TH, Speed (but probably not)

Possibly either scumteam
Tranq, Colin, GMan, Ted


Change my mind. Like in particular, tell me who I have as possibly on a scumteam they probably aren’t really on.

Post is modified to reflect flips.

Ignoring Sprityo probable peeks atm which possibly confirm Ted.

[speedchuck]

Make that 'probably', if there are four scum left after Sig.

[Turnip Head]

If only one thread was going to get a lynch there's no reason to assume there would be a scum in each level, right?

I think it's still possibly the case, though.

I'm guessing sig was in charge of the divisions, since he put himself in the tiny dream level with no chance of getting the most votes.

But he doesn't know all the baddies so it's possible we were in a dream with no mafia

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like people should weigh in on my list. I’m not interested in adding players to scumteams, just removing them from consideration.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You're right. That makes me a civ who is bad at my job. But I wasn't the only one who civ read him

I don't care about civ reading him. Shit happens. juliets did that too and I think she's the most obvious civilian in the game.

I think you're bad.

Enlighten us on Juliets.

Go back to my Radish and Mac reviews. She handled both of them very similarly, because she doesn't know the answers. She worked her ass off to find the answers more than nearly anyone in this game, and she ended up wrong. I don't know how anyone can look at that content and tell me she looks like a mafioso.

The basic argument "well she defended Mac" is shite. It requires ignoring a gigantic wealth of context.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Like people should weigh in on my list. I’m not interested in adding players to scumteams, just removing them from consideration.

Why is Epignosis town?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think the Antimonitor had to be left at level one.

That fits the source game and it’s kinda imbalanced to remove your whole team from consideration.

If that’s the case, good for GMan, Tranq and Michelle.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like people should weigh in on my list. I’m not interested in adding players to scumteams, just removing them from consideration.

Why is Epignosis town?

Because he’s antialigned with flipped wolves. Literally we’ve had this exact discussion.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Like people should weigh in on my list. I’m not interested in adding players to scumteams, just removing them from consideration.

Why is Epignosis town?

Because he’s antialigned with flipped wolves. Literally we’ve had this exact discussion.

I don't think he's anti-aligned with Mac at all.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I disagree with @JaggedJimmyJay’s Epi read.

The highlighted parts in particular are aimed at Sig, calling him unconvincing which he was and aimed at me saying that he hadn’t seen the Mac case which seems to be before I really put my foot on the gas pedal.

I’m not 100% ruling out Epi as Mac’s partner but I’m sure there are better suspects to be had there.

[Turnip Head]

Go back to my Radish and Mac reviews. SheTH handled both of them very similarly, because sheTH doesn't know the answers. SheTH worked their ass off to find the answers more than nearly anyone in this game, and shethey ended up wrong. I don't know how anyone can look at that content and tell me sheTH looks like a mafioso.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Go back to my Radish and Mac reviews. SheTH handled both of them very similarly, because sheTH doesn't know the answers. SheTH worked their ass off to find the answers more than nearly anyone in this game, and shethey ended up wrong. I don't know how anyone can look at that content and tell me sheTH looks like a mafioso.

juliets spent 80 years of her life working through those reads and all of it looks authentic.

You did fuck all

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I disagree with @JaggedJimmyJay’s Epi read.

The highlighted parts in particular are aimed at Sig, calling him unconvincing which he was and aimed at me saying that he hadn’t seen the Mac case which seems to be before I really put my foot on the gas pedal.

I’m not 100% ruling out Epi as Mac’s partner but I’m sure there are better suspects to be had there.

I don't give a crap if you find my suspicion unconvincing. That doesn't tell me why Epignosis is a civilian. Why is he not aligned with Mac?

[G-Man]

Town
Jack, Dom, Tony

Possibly Antimonitor
Michelle (probably just town), Sig (confirmed), Nanook, Sprityo

Possibly Master
Epi (probably just town), Jay, Juliets, Sloonei, TH, Speed (but probably not)

Possibly either scumteam
Tranq, Colin, GMan, Ted


Change my mind. Like in particular, tell me who I have as possibly on a scumteam they probably aren’t really on.

Oh, we're still hung up on little old me? Well, my offer still stands, but I think we can make more headway analyzing the votes alongside thread content in light of recent revelations.

[Turnip Head]

Go back to my Radish and Mac reviews. SheTH handled both of them very similarly, because sheTH doesn't know the answers. SheTH worked their ass off to find the answers more than nearly anyone in this game, and shethey ended up wrong. I don't know how anyone can look at that content and tell me sheTH looks like a mafioso.

juliets spent 80 years of her life working through those reads and all of it looks authentic.

You did fuck all

I did a lot friendo, it just didn't take up a lot of space

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't have quite the confidence in Sloonei that I do in juliets.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I did a lot friendo, it just didn't take up a lot of space

You told everyone what your opinion was and then acted in accordance with that opinion. You explored nothing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

You're right. That makes me a civ who is bad at my job. But I wasn't the only one who civ read him

I don't care about civ reading him. Shit happens. juliets did that too and I think she's the most obvious civilian in the game.

I think you're bad.

Enlighten us on Juliets.

Go back to my Radish and Mac reviews. She handled both of them very similarly, because she doesn't know the answers. She worked her ass off to find the answers more than nearly anyone in this game, and she ended up wrong. I don't know how anyone can look at that content and tell me she looks like a mafioso.

The basic argument "well she defended Mac" is shite. It requires ignoring a gigantic wealth of context.

Yeah but she defended Mac.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m pretty willing to hang TH but if TH flips town, Jay goes next.

I will be loud and obnoxious until it happens.

[G-Man]

I will be loud and obnoxious until it happens.

Okay, remind me how this is any different than what you are right now?

[Turnip Head]

I did a lot friendo, it just didn't take up a lot of space

You told everyone what your opinion was and then acted in accordance with that opinion. You explored nothing.

Please stop saying I did "nothing" I'm triggered

[Turnip Head]

My play is more nuanced than you're presenting it to be I thought day 1-3 Jimmy saw that which was why you townread me then