Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Epignosis]

It's time to play with some balls.

Epignosis and tedxtr are at the top of my list.

Dude, it's coronavirus season. Hands off.

[Epignosis]

Someone tell me why Epignosis is a civilian.

Don't ignore me. If that's your read, explain it to me.

Why not, Mr. Bear? The civ reads in this game as in all games are split into two categories: 1) unlikely to be scum on teams, and 2) good tone reads. Epi seems good. And he’s fun to have around. He doesn’t seem agendaed.

I don't agree with #1. I think he fits just fine alongside Mac.

Because you're mafia and running out of people to finger. (See what I did there?)

#2 is all fair enough, but we're in Night 6. I don't think that's good enough anymore. I also don't think he "seems good" as much as he "seems barely present". His time constraints are real, and they have no impact upon his role card. He has made moves in this game with plenty of capacity for "agenda" -- shitting on juliets in the earliest stage, building that big case for Colin yesterday, defending sig loudly while many others were doing the opposite -- to name a few.

So which team am I on? sig's or Mac's?

And fuck that yellowy mess up there, Mr. "Minimal-civilian-inspiration-and-compatibility-with-Mac-Turnip-Head-you-are-a-tragedy."

[Epignosis]

I think Dom in Nutella's wagon in day 1 looks the worst and I am going to Iso him. Can everyone do this please and say conclusions?

Not going to bother. I already think Dom is a civilian.

Why are you so concerned with the Day 1 vote?

[Epignosis]

fuck

No thanks. Coronavirus.

[Tranq]

@Seamus Fitzroy: Talk to me.

[Michelle]

Like I said in the dream level, for me this game means very much emotion. Is hard to read without emotion.
When a player is emotionless, from various reasons, I cannot read him because words are just words and who can speak his mind easy and eloquent, that one can manipulate the game.
This is why this post makes me dislike Speed. Idk if it makes him mafia, but doesn't put him in a towny position.

I don't want to sway anyone one way or another with what I'm about to say, but I've met speedchuck in real life. He's very analytical, facts-oriented, and not as emotional as the rest of the nuts running this asylum. Take that for what you will.

Thinking at your vote I take it like a defence.

in english please

I would like sir, but i am illiterate in english. May be my fault, but is nothing I can do to really solve this problem.

[Epignosis]

Like I said in the dream level, for me this game means very much emotion. Is hard to read without emotion.
When a player is emotionless, from various reasons, I cannot read him because words are just words and who can speak his mind easy and eloquent, that one can manipulate the game.
This is why this post makes me dislike Speed. Idk if it makes him mafia, but doesn't put him in a towny position.

I don't want to sway anyone one way or another with what I'm about to say, but I've met speedchuck in real life. He's very analytical, facts-oriented, and not as emotional as the rest of the nuts running this asylum. Take that for what you will.

Thinking at your vote I take it like a defence.

in english please

I would like sir, but i am illiterate in english. May be my fault, but is nothing I can do to really solve this problem.

I'm giving you a hard time. I understood you fine.

And yes, I was defending speedchuck there.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Polls of the days, I think who was in the other dream level in day 4 should bring to light that poll too.

Day 1 :
1 Dizzy - Tony
1 Jack - Spityo
1 JJJ - Radishes
6 Radishes - JJJ, Ted, Svs, Michelle, Sloonei, Dizzy
1 Nanook01 - Sig
6 Nutella01 - Nanook01, Turnip, Sabie, Jack, Mac, Dom
2 Speed - Epi, Nutella01

Day 2

1 GMan - Ted
7 Mac - Speed, Sig, Jack, Dom, Sabie, Sprityo, Nanook02
9 Radishes - Tony, JJJ, Svs, Sloonei, Epi, Juliets, Mac, Colin, Turnip
2 Sloonei - Dizzy, GMan
3 Turnip - Michelle, Tranq, Radishes

Day 3

2 Jack - Turnip, Mac
10 Mac - Ted, Tony, GMan, Jack, Michelle, Nanook, Sig, Sprityo, Epi, Tranq
8 Sig - Colin, Svs, Sloonei, Dom, Speed, Nutella02, JJJ, Juliets

Day 4 main poll

3 Nanook02 - Epi, Sprityo, TurnipHead
5 Sprityo - Dom, Colin, Ted, Nanook02, Jack

Day 4 poll in a dream level

1 Juliets - Michelle
3 Michelle - Speed, Sloonei, JJJ
2 Speed - GMan, Juliets

Day 5

4 JJJ - Tranq, Colin, Dom, Epi
1 Nanook02 - Sig
10 Sig - Ted, Speed, Nanook02, TurnipHead, Sloonei, Juliets, Michelle, JJJ, Jack, TSP

Day 6

8 Colin - Dom, Michelle, Tranq, Juliets, Jack, Epi, JJJ, Speed
4 Speed - GMan, TSP, TurnipHead, Colin
1 Ted - Sloonei

Spoiler: show

Coloring in gray the main text helps me to increase the light on phone to better see the colours sorry if looks bad on pc

and in next spoiler i will colour me in a light green because I know my AI and also Jack because he said he is confirmed villager

Spoiler: show

Day 1 :
1 Dizzy - Tony
1 Jack - Spityo
1 JJJ - Radishes
6 Radishes - JJJ, Ted, Svs, Michelle, Sloonei, Dizzy
1 Nanook01 - Sig
6 Nutella01 - Nanook01, Turnip, Sabie, Jack, Mac, Dom
2 Speed - Epi, Nutella01

Day 2

1 GMan - Ted
7 Mac - Speed, Sig, Jack, Dom, Sabie, Sprityo, Nanook02
9 Radishes - Tony, JJJ, Svs, Sloonei, Epi, Juliets, Mac, Colin, Turnip
2 Sloonei - Dizzy, GMan
3 Turnip - Michelle, Tranq, Radishes

Day 3

2 Jack - Turnip, Mac
10 Mac - Ted, Tony, GMan, Jack, Michelle, Nanook, Sig, Sprityo, Epi, Tranq
8 Sig - Colin, Svs, Sloonei, Dom, Speed, Nutella02, JJJ, Juliets

Day 4 main poll

3 Nanook02 - Epi, Sprityo, TurnipHead
5 Sprityo - Dom, Colin, Ted, Nanook02, Jack

Day 4 poll in a dream level

1 Juliets - Michelle
3 Michelle - Speed, Sloonei, JJJ
2 Speed - GMan, Juliets

Day 5

4 JJJ - Tranq, Colin, Dom, Epi
1 Nanook02 - Sig
10 Sig - Ted, Speed, Nanook02, TurnipHead, Sloonei, Juliets, Michelle, JJJ, Jack, TSP

Day 6

8 Colin - Dom, Michelle, Tranq, Juliets, Jack, Epi, JJJ, Speed
4 Speed - GMan, TSP, TurnipHead, Colin
1 Ted - Sloonei

Epi and Sloonei look worst from this.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also, if Epi or Ted isn’t scum, I call shenanigans on having an entirely town first level D4.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like I want it to be Jay but that’s not what wagonomics is telling me.

[Epignosis]

Lies. I look fabulous.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I want it to be Jay because these no pause between “we double lynched town” and trying to lynch Epi and Ted.....who are what D4 says should be scum.

Mixed messaging. Recommend restarting your computer.

[G-Man]

OTHER: Wombats are adorable creatures and remarkable diggers. They possess a boney rump plate that can protect them from predators while digging a burrow. This can also be used to shield their young in the event a predator tries to invade the burrow. The parent wombat will stick their butt in the predator’s face. After a few unsuccessful strikes at the rump plate, many predators will give up their attack.

Wombats are also the only known animal to produce square-shaped feces. They have been documented in the wild to use their peculiarly-shaped excrement to mark territory and assemble them into formations to attract mates. Wombats can produce 80-100 of these 2cm square square-shaped scat each night.

A group of wombats is called either a colony, a mob, or a wisdom.

[juliets]

And that's it. The most surprising development by far here is that Jay feels like a compatible teammate. I don't want to leap to that conclusion: for Jay to be the anti-monitor, he will have had to bussed one of his partners (Radishes) pretty hard from the beginning, and then also contributed to sig's lynch. I don't recall Jay being big in the anti-sabie crowd, but the suspicion against her was barely getting off the ground when she got taken out.

Bearing in mind sabie's handling of her two confirmed partners, my rainbow based purely on these results would be:

Turnip Head
Colin
Jack
Tranq
G-man
ted
speedchuck
Juliets
Tony
Epi
Dom
Michelle
Jay

Those are not the results I was expecting. Michelle is in the bottom tier with Jay because she's almost entirely absent. The tier above jay and michelle are players who are mostly absent, but were named as town reads by sabie in that one post. Juliets could probably be bumped up to the lower green tier because sabie had several interactions with her that looked natural (ie, not staged teammate interactions), but she had very little to say about juliets. I'd have a hard time being convinced to vote for juliets at this stage.

Sloonei, to your point that for Jay to be the anti-monitor he would have had to bus Radishes out of the gate, I did see when I read Transistor that Jay bussed his teammate Elo right out of the gate, so I don't think that's impossible here. I don't remember seeing a corollary with his contributing to another teammates lynch in that game (mentioning this because of his treatment of sig in this game) but I'll check my notes to make sure. Also, I noted in my review of that game that he said in Transistor endgame that most of his baddie games feature very little bussing. Doesn't mean he didn't do it here but note that's what he said.

The point about how sabie treated Jay does make him seem compatible. One question though, and I may have missed this, did she ever mention sprityo? I don't think I saw this in your reads but maybe I missed it. I'm wondering because if she treated sprityo similarly to Radish, sig, and Jay that would show us she treated someone not on her team the same way.

[juliets]

Also, if Epi or Ted isn’t scum, I call shenanigans on having an entirely town first level D4.

Oooh right, that can't be the case at least based on the original.

[juliets]

OTHER: Wombats are adorable creatures and remarkable diggers. They possess a boney rump plate that can protect them from predators while digging a burrow. This can also be used to shield their young in the event a predator tries to invade the burrow. The parent wombat will stick their butt in the predator’s face. After a few unsuccessful strikes at the rump plate, many predators will give up their attack.

Wombats are also the only known animal to produce square-shaped feces. They have been documented in the wild to use their peculiarly-shaped excrement to mark territory and assemble them into formations to attract mates. Wombats can produce 80-100 of these 2cm square square-shaped scat each night.

A group of wombats is called either a colony, a mob, or a wisdom.

G-Man, interesting facts about wombats but do you have any thoughts about the game?

[Michelle]

[mention]Tranq[/mention] anq
[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

please one of you post the poll from your day 4 dream level

[Michelle]

Like I want it to be Jay but that’s not what wagonomics is telling me.

So you are sure of Dom being a civvie here?

[G-Man]

OTHER: Wombats are adorable creatures and remarkable diggers. They possess a boney rump plate that can protect them from predators while digging a burrow. This can also be used to shield their young in the event a predator tries to invade the burrow. The parent wombat will stick their butt in the predator’s face. After a few unsuccessful strikes at the rump plate, many predators will give up their attack.

Wombats are also the only known animal to produce square-shaped feces. They have been documented in the wild to use their peculiarly-shaped excrement to mark territory and assemble them into formations to attract mates. Wombats can produce 80-100 of these 2cm square square-shaped scat each night.

A group of wombats is called either a colony, a mob, or a wisdom.

G-Man, interesting facts about wombats but do you have any thoughts about the game?

Of course I do. I still have nagging doubts about Sloonei. I think he is very compatible with Team Master. But he’s not the only one. Now that we’re down to just 12 players, it should be easier for me to keep everyone straight, but I have neither the time nor the interest to go through the whole game. The last two days perhaps, but that’s being optimistic.

There were no kills on Night 1 or Night 3. Both nights were Team Anti-Monitor nights. With The Anti-Monitor the only remaining member of that team left, there’s no way for the few remaining roles capable to thwart a kill to do so on odd nights.

If Team Master does us a favor and picks off the Anti-Monitor tonight, then we might be able to stop kills every night if those few civvie roles remain alive. If Team Master chooses to pick off a top civ read, then wombat poop. If both sides pursue this strategy, then wombat poop squared.

Both sides know we’re analyzing the votes, so future close votes may not prove as revealing as D2 and D3. It all builds with each death and each reveal though. We just have to hope that time doesn’t run out before we catch a break.

One thing we can do to start sorting out the Anti-Monitor is determining which players we feel are not compatible with Mac/Team Master. If we don’t feel like anyone on the ensuing list looks damning enough to be Anti-Monitor, then it may be someone we feel is compatible with either team.

Tonight, as I said, is a Team Master kill night. While it would be nice for them to kill Anti-Monitor for us, no kill tonight would be acceptable too. That could break the game open for us again. Losing two civvies to those lynches sucks because it’s eight against four (civvies to baddies) at best, if Dyslexicon was a 3P.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Also, if Epi or Ted isn’t scum, I call shenanigans on having an entirely town first level D4.

Also astounding how everyone who has died since then was on that level.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Tranq anq
@TonyStarkPrime

please one of you post the poll from your day 4 dream level

Me and Tranq voted for Sig. Sig and Long Con voted forth Long Con.

[TonyStarkPrime]

OTHER: Wombats are adorable creatures and remarkable diggers. They possess a boney rump plate that can protect them from predators while digging a burrow. This can also be used to shield their young in the event a predator tries to invade the burrow. The parent wombat will stick their butt in the predator’s face. After a few unsuccessful strikes at the rump plate, many predators will give up their attack.

Wombats are also the only known animal to produce square-shaped feces. They have been documented in the wild to use their peculiarly-shaped excrement to mark territory and assemble them into formations to attract mates. Wombats can produce 80-100 of these 2cm square square-shaped scat each night.

A group of wombats is called either a colony, a mob, or a wisdom.

G-Man, interesting facts about wombats but do you have any thoughts about the game?

Of course I do. I still have nagging doubts about Sloonei. I think he is very compatible with Team Master. But he’s not the only one. Now that we’re down to just 12 players, it should be easier for me to keep everyone straight, but I have neither the time nor the interest to go through the whole game. The last two days perhaps, but that’s being optimistic.

There were no kills on Night 1 or Night 3. Both nights were Team Anti-Monitor nights. With The Anti-Monitor the only remaining member of that team left, there’s no way for the few remaining roles capable to thwart a kill to do so on odd nights.

If Team Master does us a favor and picks off the Anti-Monitor tonight, then we might be able to stop kills every night if those few civvie roles remain alive. If Team Master chooses to pick off a top civ read, then wombat poop. If both sides pursue this strategy, then wombat poop squared.

Both sides know we’re analyzing the votes, so future close votes may not prove as revealing as D2 and D3. It all builds with each death and each reveal though. We just have to hope that time doesn’t run out before we catch a break.

One thing we can do to start sorting out the Anti-Monitor is determining which players we feel are not compatible with Mac/Team Master. If we don’t feel like anyone on the ensuing list looks damning enough to be Anti-Monitor, then it may be someone we feel is compatible with either team.

Tonight, as I said, is a Team Master kill night. While it would be nice for them to kill Anti-Monitor for us, no kill tonight would be acceptable too. That could break the game open for us again. Losing two civvies to those lynches sucks because it’s eight against four (civvies to baddies) at best, if Dyslexicon was a 3P.

I don’t think Dizzy was the other Indy role.

[TonyStarkPrime]

la de da mafia

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ted voted for spider he’s mafia.

[TonyStarkPrime]

OTHER: Wombats are adorable creatures and remarkable diggers. They possess a boney rump plate that can protect them from predators while digging a burrow. This can also be used to shield their young in the event a predator tries to invade the burrow. The parent wombat will stick their butt in the predator’s face. After a few unsuccessful strikes at the rump plate, many predators will give up their attack.

Wombats are also the only known animal to produce square-shaped feces. They have been documented in the wild to use their peculiarly-shaped excrement to mark territory and assemble them into formations to attract mates. Wombats can produce 80-100 of these 2cm square square-shaped scat each night.

A group of wombats is called either a colony, a mob, or a wisdom.

found anti-monitor

[juliets]

ted voted but hasn't said anything since like 2 am Friday morning? What's up with that - the ted I saw in other games was very active.

[juliets]

ted, I'm going through your ISO again and I realize I forgot to ask you about this post. Why did you think she's an indie? Are you saying her style is radically different from her town or scum style? Since this was back on Day 2, what do you think now?

My soul read on michelle is that she’s either an indie or she changed her style radically for this game

[juliets]

Actually ted, I see I asked you about that on Feb. 29th but I don't see an answer. Did I miss it?

[Michelle]

@Tranq anq
@TonyStarkPrime

please one of you post the poll from your day 4 dream level

Me and Tranq voted for Sig. Sig and Long Con voted forth Long Con.

You were just 3 players in that dream level?

[Michelle]

I can answer at my change of style Ted is talking about. It's not AI, it's a lack of time playstyle and I am sorry for this but it will be the only way for me to play from now on.

The fact that at the start of the game I was multitabling was not a helping thing.
Actually Juliets saw me playing recently and should understand what Ted was talking about imo.

This is not AI for Ted but I think if he was bad he would transforn that note for my play in a shade and i don't feel he did it.

Idk what to say about his inactivity, this is a problem but real life exists.

I am sad we misjudged so easy two villagers and I need to think better this time.

[Michelle]

I think Dom in Nutella's wagon in day 1 looks the worst and I am going to Iso him. Can everyone do this please and say conclusions?

Not going to bother. I already think Dom is a civilian.

Why are you so concerned with the Day 1 vote?

He is on Radishes counter wagon in day 1and in day 2 and voted Sig when Mac was lynched.

His vote never damaged the Anti Monitor team.

Can someone tell me I am an idiot to suspect Dom to pass over the paranoia I have?

[tedxtr]

am really low on energy, string me up and find mafia. sad none of colin and th flipped bad and now i'm aware i'm next.

re juliets' question : her play style seemed weird, it was a thought like at the beginning of the game which was like 3 weeks ago or so, I honestly don't remember. she just *felt* off but now she seems to be back on normal levels.

i was saying she felt different from her town game.

[tedxtr]

i guess she played in a deflective kind of way and her engagements seemed to be omgusy off the top of my head, but there's a very concrete way of me discerning her town as opposed to scum, and she didn't feel like scum although a lot of her engagements weren't indicative of her town play, i kind of connected the dots and said indie because she seemed to care more about how she appeared and directly confronting people made me conclude she was indie rather than a null, idk.

[tedxtr]

the overall theme to her posts was "why are you accusing me?" but for some reason i didn't read it as scum.

[juliets]

I can answer at my change of style Ted is talking about. It's not AI, it's a lack of time playstyle and I am sorry for this but it will be the only way for me to play from now on.

The fact that at the start of the game I was multitabling was not a helping thing.
Actually Juliets saw me playing recently and should understand what Ted was talking about imo.

This is not AI for Ted but I think if he was bad he would transforn that note for my play in a shade and i don't feel he did it.

Idk what to say about his inactivity, this is a problem but real life exists.

I am sad we misjudged so easy two villagers and I need to think better this time.

Michelle, thanks but I do want to also hear ted's explanation and what he thinks of you now. He mentions you a couple of more times in his ISO and it doesn't seem like it's favorable. Maybe I misread those mentions but he can tell me if so.

Also the last game I saw you in was Inception and all I remember is that you were relentlessly going after baddies. I did not notice any issues with you posting less in that game. That's the only recent game I've been in with you.

The reason I ask about his inactivity is this post he made on March 10:

I have one more school busy day and then I’m free for 1 week cuz of corona.

Sorry for low activity peeps i’ll do better starting tonight

Since today is the 14th I would expect him to still be free and posting.

I do agree with you Michelle that we have to be very careful with what we're doing after that lynch. I think I'm being fair but I do have some questions and if I don't ask them I'm not a very good town player.

Also [mention]tedxtr[/mention] I have one last question and that is what is your take on G-Man now? You were reading him as scum earlier in the game, I'm just wondering whether that has changed (and if so why) or not.

[juliets]

i guess she played in a deflective kind of way and her engagements seemed to be omgusy off the top of my head, but there's a very concrete way of me discerning her town as opposed to scum, and she didn't feel like scum although a lot of her engagements weren't indicative of her town play, i kind of connected the dots and said indie because she seemed to care more about how she appeared and directly confronting people made me conclude she was indie rather than a null, idk.

ok thank you for the explanation. I missed it while I was posting.

[juliets]

am really low on energy, string me up and find mafia. sad none of colin and th flipped bad and now i'm aware i'm next.

re juliets' question : her play style seemed weird, it was a thought like at the beginning of the game which was like 3 weeks ago or so, I honestly don't remember. she just *felt* off but now she seems to be back on normal levels.

i was saying she felt different from her town game.

Thanks ted, I hear you about the energy. Between the corona virus and that last Lynch I feel drained. I don't know that you are next, there are lots of things to look at.

[tedxtr]

i don't see any reason for why he'd be town but nobody wants to push him and i honestly can't be bothered to tunnel him for another day phase without any backup and me not being listened to.

i usually don't come back to lynches that haven't took off when they should've.

[juliets]

i don't see any reason for why he'd be town but nobody wants to push him and i honestly can't be bothered to tunnel him for another day phase without any backup and me not being listened to.

i usually don't come back to lynches that haven't took off when they should've.

He's been helpful (in our Day 4 for example) but Dom's and S~V~Ss warnings about him are ringing in my ears. I'm just having trouble reading him. There are some others who think he's town I need to search for their reasoning.

[Michelle]

i don't see any reason for why he'd be town but nobody wants to push him and i honestly can't be bothered to tunnel him for another day phase without any backup and me not being listened to.

i usually don't come back to lynches that haven't took off when they should've.

What do you think of the dream levels of day 4 and the way the players were divided?
I was in level with GMan and I had an impression of villagery desire to help from him.
Now I see the level were Sig was in were a very small one. It may be wifomy but somehow it may not be and idk how to take it.

[Michelle]

I think Dom in Nutella's wagon in day 1 looks the worst and I am going to Iso him. Can everyone do this please and say conclusions?

Not going to bother. I already think Dom is a civilian.

Why are you so concerned with the Day 1 vote?

He is on Radishes counter wagon in day 1and in day 2 and voted Sig when Mac was lynched.

His vote never damaged the Anti Monitor team.

Can someone tell me I am an idiot to suspect Dom to pass over the paranoia I have?

[mention]Juliets[/mention] and [mention]tedxtr[/mention] what do you think?

[tedxtr]

i don't think dom's scum here, i can read him like a book.

he's gonna get pissed at this.

[tedxtr]

I already theorised as to sig designing each level and the players that could've been found in them. I decided to drop it because, upon flips, he might've actually just placed him in the main thread, because the thread had a consensus among 3 players that we had just flipped town, so the AM must've really fucked up in order to become a target.

[juliets]

Michelle, I believe Dom is town.

[juliets]

oops [mention]Michelle[/mention] ^^

[juliets]

I have to leave for a bit, be back later.

[Michelle]

I already theorised as to sig designing each level and the players that could've been found in them. I decided to drop it because, upon flips, he might've actually just placed him in the main thread, because the thread had a consensus among 3 players that we had just flipped town, so the AM must've really fucked up in order to become a target.

Can you link me your theory pls?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like I want it to be Jay but that’s not what wagonomics is telling me.

So you are sure of Dom being a civvie here?

I’m pretty good at reading Dom at this point and he’s really town.

[tedxtr]

Don't know if this was addressed, but I was thinking...If sig potentially designed the levels, would he have risked sending the anti-monitor in the main thread , the only place where lynched people die?

ok i assume that's the list i wanted to look in cuz i remember that account telling us tsp and someone else was with sig

i think, ultimately, sig would've used the 3 man level for shading and bet on this very wifom. if we bit it, it takes a 50/50 to lynch his anti-monitor which would seem dumb from him.

I don't know if he'd risk it by putting him in main thread, so I think that he'd just place him in Michelle's hood thing.

I'll take a look at those peeps. But names that stick out upon PoE and shit are probably JJJ / Gman / Speed

[mention]Michelle[/mention]

[Michelle]

Like I want it to be Jay but that’s not what wagonomics is telling me.

So you are sure of Dom being a civvie here?

I’m pretty good at reading Dom at this point and he’s really town.

ok. you. Ted and Juliets means 3 who TR him. Looks good enough for me