Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[G-Man]

Opining tomorrow. Data now:

Day 1 :
1 Dizzy - Tony
1 Jack - Spityo
1 JJJ - Radishes
6 Radishes - JJJ, Ted, Svs, Michelle, Sloonei, Dizzy
1 Nanook01 - Sig
6 Nutella01 - Nanook01, Turnip, Sabie, Jack, Mac, Dom
2 Speed - Epi, Nutella01

Day 2

1 GMan - Ted
7 Mac - Speed, Sig, Jack, Dom, Sabie, Sprityo, Nanook02
9 Radishes - Tony, JJJ, Svs, Sloonei, Epi, Juliets, Mac, Colin, Turnip
2 Sloonei - Dizzy, GMan
3 Turnip - Michelle, Tranq, Radishes

Day 3

2 Jack - Turnip, Mac
10 Mac - Ted, Tony, GMan, Jack, Michelle, Nanook, Sig, Sprityo, Epi, Tranq
8 Sig - Colin, Svs, Sloonei, Dom, Speed, Nutella02, JJJ, Juliets

Day 4 main poll

3 Nanook02 - Epi, Sprityo, TurnipHead
5 Sprityo - Dom, Colin, Ted, Nanook02, Jack

Day 4 poll in a dream level

1 Juliets - Michelle
3 Michelle - Speed, Sloonei, JJJ
2 Speed - GMan, Juliets


Day 4 Limbo Poll
???? (Sig, Tranq, Tony)

Day 5

4 JJJ - Tranq, Colin, Dom, Epi
1 Nanook02 - Sig
10 Sig - Ted, Speed, Nanook02, TurnipHead, Sloonei, Juliets, Michelle, JJJ, Jack, TSP

Day 6

8 Colin - Dom, Michelle, Tranq, Juliets, Jack, Epi, JJJ, Speed
4 Speed - GMan, TSP, TurnipHead, Colin
1 Ted - Sloonei

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

I think Sloonei’s 3P.

I have no reason to protest that.

[TonyStarkPrime]

And Tranq but Tranq can be bad for all I care

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And Tranq but Tranq can be bad for all I care

What of ted

[TonyStarkPrime]

I should be letting go of my Epi read, is what I’m hearing.
So I wonder this: is Ted more likely to be on Mac’s team or Sig’s?

@Linki hey it’s a small boat

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I should be letting go of my Epi read, is what I’m hearing.
So I wonder this: is Ted more likely to be on Mac’s team or Sig’s?

@Linki hey it’s a small boat

I think Mac's is more likely.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ted on Mac

It's not a super conclusive review, but I think it fits. His most recent behavior follows suit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I cannot provide a good reason to remove speedchuck from the suspect pool. All I have there is a feeling that he's in a similar spot to Colin, and that he's the most likely bait in the poll at present.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

[Sloonei]

I cannot provide a good reason to remove speedchuck from the suspect pool. All I have there is a feeling that he's in a similar spot to Colin, and that he's the most likely bait in the poll at present.

On the flip side of this, yesterday boiled down to a choice between speedchuck and colin. Colin was chosen. It's not impossible that speed is town. But numbers are dwindling and there are confident town reads outside of him.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

There are only 5 civies left. Add you and me.

Is there only one civilian in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

There are only 5 civies left. Add you and me.

Is there only one civilian in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted?

Wait wait. 11 players. 3 vs 1 vs 1 vs 6.

Six civies. So two in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted, Michelle and GMan.

Is that reasonable?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

There are only 5 civies left. Add you and me.

Is there only one civilian in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted?

Wait wait. 11 players. 3 vs 1 vs 1 vs 6.

Six civies. So two in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted, Michelle and GMan.

Is that reasonable?

no.

[Michelle]

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

There are only 5 civies left. Add you and me.

Is there only one civilian in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted?

Wait wait. 11 players. 3 vs 1 vs 1 vs 6.

Six civies. So two in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted, Michelle and GMan.

Is that reasonable?

I think it's half of a thought ...can you show me why are you clearing anyone ?

Copy pasted from the poll:

Epignosis
juliets
Jackofhearts2005 - green peeked
Michelle - in Jack's poe
JaggedJimmyJay - Jack reads him civvie in the quoted post.
Sloonei
G-Man - in Jack's poe
speedchuck - in Jack's poe
tedxtr - in Jack's poe
TonyStarkPrime - in Jack's poe
Tranq - in Jack's poe

Fill up the blancs with your thoughts on everyone please.

[Michelle]

Welp, i have to learn from TSP to write less and concise

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

There are only 5 civies left. Add you and me.

Is there only one civilian in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted?

Wait wait. 11 players. 3 vs 1 vs 1 vs 6.

Six civies. So two in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted, Michelle and GMan.

Is that reasonable?

Fair question. I think Sloonei as an independent seems to fit the situation. He started the game awkwardly, and while his hunting efforts have been insightful and appeared genuine, he hasn't necessarily gotten after people. If one takes that, or otherwise assigns it to juliets (I'm not so inclined), that leaves room for three here.

Or another can be added in Jack's place.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Welp, i have to learn from TSP to write less and concise

Average word count is my town tell

[TonyStarkPrime]

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

There are only 5 civies left. Add you and me.

Is there only one civilian in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted?

Wait wait. 11 players. 3 vs 1 vs 1 vs 6.

Six civies. So two in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted, Michelle and GMan.

Is that reasonable?

I think it's half of a thought ...can you show me why are you clearing anyone ?

Copy pasted from the poll:

Epignosis
juliets
Jackofhearts2005 - green peeked
Michelle - in Jack's poe
JaggedJimmyJay - Jack reads him civvie in the quoted post.
Sloonei
G-Man - in Jack's poe
speedchuck - in Jack's poe
tedxtr - in Jack's poe
TonyStarkPrime - in Jack's poe
Tranq - in Jack's poe

Fill up the blancs with your thoughts on everyone please.

You left Epi off the “in Jack’s poe” count.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

There's a lot of game-resolving potential in this approach. I'd like to see how everyone delineates the numbers. Divide the mafia into teams if you like, or don't. Just tell me who the five civilians other than yourselves are and the rest is dandy.

Civilians:
juliets
Jackofhearts2005
Michelle
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Independent:
Sloonei

Mafia:
Epignosis
G-Man
speedchuck
tedxtr



That's my first instinctive go at it. I may try a few of these divisions on and align them to team compatibility to see what feels best. If every civilian does this, I think it will be quite difficult for the mafia to blend.

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: G-Man ] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

There are only 5 civies left. Add you and me.

Is there only one civilian in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted?

Wait wait. 11 players. 3 vs 1 vs 1 vs 6.

Six civies. So two in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted, Michelle and GMan.

Is that reasonable?

I think it's half of a thought ...can you show me why are you clearing anyone ?

Copy pasted from the poll:

Epignosis
juliets
Jackofhearts2005 - green peeked
Michelle - in Jack's poe
JaggedJimmyJay - Jack reads him civvie in the quoted post.
Sloonei
G-Man - in Jack's poe
speedchuck - in Jack's poe
tedxtr - in Jack's poe
TonyStarkPrime - in Jack's poe
Tranq - in Jack's poe

Fill up the blancs with your thoughts on everyone please.

It’s a hypothetical.

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?

[Michelle]

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

There are only 5 civies left. Add you and me.

Is there only one civilian in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted?

Wait wait. 11 players. 3 vs 1 vs 1 vs 6.

Six civies. So two in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted, Michelle and GMan.

Is that reasonable?

I think it's half of a thought ...can you show me why are you clearing anyone ?

Copy pasted from the poll:

Epignosis
juliets
Jackofhearts2005 - green peeked
Michelle - in Jack's poe
JaggedJimmyJay - Jack reads him civvie in the quoted post.
Sloonei
G-Man - in Jack's poe
speedchuck - in Jack's poe
tedxtr - in Jack's poe
TonyStarkPrime - in Jack's poe
Tranq - in Jack's poe

Fill up the blancs with your thoughts on everyone please.

It’s a hypothetical.

this is not what I asked you Jack
please help me with your thoughts

[Michelle]

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] tell me why are you villager please.

[tedxtr]

you know i never do that. if you think i'm scummier than g-man, then vote accordingly.

[Michelle]

you know i never do that. if you think i'm scummier than g-man, then vote accordingly.

at this stage of the game you can explain like for a 5 y o what I asked.

Why should I choose between you and GMan?

[juliets]

RIP Dom, I hate that you are gone.

I'm going to modify - I think it was Jack's statement - a little bit. Dom trusted me but I don't have the same trust in speed as I do in Jack and Epi.

I am most persuaded by Jack's argument that one of Epi or ted (or Jack I guess) must be bad or the main layer from Inception day contained no one who was bad. That just seems impossible to me. I'm going to put a vote on ted now but I'm still listening and digging.

[juliets]

I forgot to

[VOTE: ted] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

Napkin math: 3 people at level 1, we’ve decided that at least one is scum. Roughly 1 in 3 if only 1. At level 2, 6 people, 2-3 scum. better odds.

[juliets]

Napkin math: 3 people at level 1, we’ve decided that at least one is scum. Roughly 1 in 3 if only 1. At level 2, 6 people, 2-3 scum. better odds.

How do we know there weren't 2 people at level 3 that were bad - one from each team?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Napkin math: 3 people at level 1, we’ve decided that at least one is scum. Roughly 1 in 3 if only 1. At level 2, 6 people, 2-3 scum. better odds.

How do we know there weren't 2 people at level 3 that were bad - one from each team?

If Tranq is scum it’s 1-2-1, 1/3 from both top levels.

[Jackofhearts2005]

RIP Dom, I hate that you are gone.

I'm going to modify - I think it was Jack's statement - a little bit. Dom trusted me but I don't have the same trust in speed as I do in Jack and Epi.

I am most persuaded by Jack's argument that one of Epi or ted (or Jack I guess) must be bad or the main layer from Inception day contained no one who was bad. That just seems impossible to me. I'm going to put a vote on ted now but I'm still listening and digging.

I don’t think that’s necessarily the case.

You trust Epi. And you still trust Jay?

So who else is town?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Napkin math: 3 people at level 1, we’ve decided that at least one is scum. Roughly 1 in 3 if only 1. At level 2, 6 people, 2-3 scum. better odds.

Or it doesn’t matter because it wasn’t only the lower level that got lynched it a special reward for winning the top level.

[G-Man]

Over the course of the game, Ted has brought me up as a scum read. It’s persistent but not quite tunneling. I don’t believe I have ever played a game with him before, so he doesn’t know me and I don’t know him. Those of you who know me know that I speak truth when making posts like I did earlier in the game. As a civvie, I play a nakedly honest game. Even as a baddie, there are lines that I will not cross.

Several of the remaining players know this. Ted does not. This suggests to me that Ted is on his own. If he were on Team Master, he should have at least one teammate telling him that it’s unwise to keep pursuing me as a lynch option. Nevertheless, he persists. To me, that means he is either a civvie, 3P, or the Anti-Monitor.

The rest of Team Anti-Monitor was Radish, sabie, and sig. None of those three have what I would call an extensive playing history with me. That could explain why Ted has been so persistent- none of those theoretical teammates would know to tell him to stand down.

But that’s all theoretical. I’m going to look at Ted’s voting history and see if it’s Anti-Monitor-compatible. I’m also going to go back and look at Dom’s sus lists and how they developed. Civ Dom is a powerful resource, and I trust his input to help me start putting some pieces together.

[Jackofhearts2005]

There's a lot of game-resolving potential in this approach. I'd like to see how everyone delineates the numbers. Divide the mafia into teams if you like, or don't. Just tell me who the five civilians other than yourselves are and the rest is dandy.

Civilians:
juliets
Jackofhearts2005
Michelle
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Independent:
Sloonei

Mafia:
Epignosis
G-Man
speedchuck
tedxtr



That's my first instinctive go at it. I may try a few of these divisions on and align them to team compatibility to see what feels best. If every civilian does this, I think it will be quite difficult for the mafia to blend.

I 100% disagree that this will make it hard for scum to blend.

But I 100% agree it is still useful.

Town
Jack
Juliets
Tony
Michelle
??????

Indy
??????

If I’m trying to put Sloonei, Epi and Jay into those two spots, it means I don’t have room from Tranq, GMan or Ted in my town/indy area.

The idea that we should lynch the two least impactful players and another one in the bottom half is really sketchy. Like I think I’ve been fooled somewhere.

It is frustrating not being sure why Dom thought Juliets was town and then why Juliets thinks Epi and Speed are town. Ie how much is mechanics and how sound the mechanical/non mechanical thoughts are.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Over the course of the game, Ted has brought me up as a scum read. It’s persistent but not quite tunneling. I don’t believe I have ever played a game with him before, so he doesn’t know me and I don’t know him. Those of you who know me know that I speak truth when making posts like I did earlier in the game. As a civvie, I play a nakedly honest game. Even as a baddie, there are lines that I will not cross.

Several of the remaining players know this. Ted does not. This suggests to me that Ted is on his own. If he were on Team Master, he should have at least one teammate telling him that it’s unwise to keep pursuing me as a lynch option. Nevertheless, he persists. To me, that means he is either a civvie, 3P, or the Anti-Monitor.

The rest of Team Anti-Monitor was Radish, sabie, and sig. None of those three have what I would call an extensive playing history with me. That could explain why Ted has been so persistent- none of those theoretical teammates would know to tell him to stand down.

But that’s all theoretical. I’m going to look at Ted’s voting history and see if it’s Anti-Monitor-compatible. I’m also going to go back and look at Dom’s sus lists and how they developed. Civ Dom is a powerful resource, and I trust his input to help me start putting some pieces together.

fwiw I think you’re still a good lynch option but this post is so towny that either it passed through an active scum committee or you’re town

[Jackofhearts2005]

My gut says if we’re being lead down the wrong path, it’s by Jay and that if someone is putting in the right effort at the right times to avoid lynch, it’s Sloonei.

I have a history of pushing on these players when they’re townies.

I thought Jay was obviously bad the last time I saw him being bad but I was already dead by then. He was pushing bad cases. Idk of the TH one counts. (Frustrating when townies allow themselves to be lynched. We can’t all be me.)

I’m gonna have to do my own isos n shit.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If I pretend GMan and Ted aren’t on the Master team and I assume Dom was right on Juliets....two of Jay/Sloonei/Epi were on Mac’s team.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] [mention]G-Man[/mention] I would love to see your lists in the format Jay have. Gut solve the whole game right now.

[TonyStarkPrime]

My gut says if we’re being lead down the wrong path, it’s by Jay and that if someone is putting in the right effort at the right times to avoid lynch, it’s Sloonei.

I have a history of pushing on these players when they’re townies.

I thought Jay was obviously bad the last time I saw him being bad but I was already dead by then. He was pushing bad cases. Idk of the TH one counts. (Frustrating when townies allow themselves to be lynched. We can’t all be me.)

I’m gonna have to do my own isos n shit.

agree on gut. But I think Jay’s recent sorting list seems mostly accurate to how I feel on the rest of the crowd— something that would be WIFOMy but wouldn’t be the case if he were scum.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@juliets @TonyStarkPrime @G-Man I would love to see your lists in the format Jay have. Gut solve the whole game right now.

town:

tony
epi
Jack
Juliets
G-Man
Michelle

3p:
Sloonei

Master:
JJJ
Speed
Tranq

AM:
Ted

[TonyStarkPrime]

3p is iffy, I think the one left is probably town leaning though

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jay has seemingly ignored Tranq and Speed.

He’ll have an issue with that characterization but whatever.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I kinda want to lynch Tranq.

He’s the player I have least reason to townread.

[Jackofhearts2005]

When your phone believes “townread” is a proper noun and keeps trying to capitalize it.

Still not as bad as it autocorrecting the accent into Pokémon.

[juliets]

RIP Dom, I hate that you are gone.

I'm going to modify - I think it was Jack's statement - a little bit. Dom trusted me but I don't have the same trust in speed as I do in Jack and Epi.

I am most persuaded by Jack's argument that one of Epi or ted (or Jack I guess) must be bad or the main layer from Inception day contained no one who was bad. That just seems impossible to me. I'm going to put a vote on ted now but I'm still listening and digging.

I don’t think that’s necessarily the case.

You trust Epi. And you still trust Jay?

So who else is town?

Jack, are you saying you don't think it's necessarily the case that one of Epi or ted are bad? Or something else?

Town
juliets
Jack
Epi
Michelle
Tony or Jay

3P
Sloonei

Mafia
Ted - potential Anti-Monitor
Tranq - Masters
G-Man - Masters
Tony or Jay - Masters

Ugh, I am not wild about this list. I didn't look to see if Tony's play could be as a Master because I did this list from the gut, so I have to check that out. I really want to make he and Jay good. And G-Man, I wish I could remember his play as well as Dom and S~V~S. I will look back on what they said and see if Dom in particular came around on him. Also, there are a couple of things I wish I could say but I don't know if they are against the rules. I'll ask LC.

[juliets]

Oh wait I forgot speed.

[Tranq]

Mafia:
JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
speedchuck
tedxtr

These are my best guesses. Would be ok with lynching any of them.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I kinda want to lynch Tranq.

He’s the player I have least reason to townread.

seems iffy

[TonyStarkPrime]

There are three players with 339 posts exactly right now. Conspiracy?