Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

#7002

G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.

#7003

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.

Which is, frankly, gross.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

#7004

This jay lynch gives me the Heebie-jeebies

at this point he can be just anti-monitor or town

no way that's an all-town wagon

#7005

otoh the g-man vote being set up instead of just self pres out of the blue is also giving me the heebie-jeebies

#7006

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:05 pm This jay lynch gives me the Heebie-jeebies

at this point he can be just anti-monitor or town

no way that's an all-town wagon

Independent suspicions aside, there's definitely no way that's an all-town wagon. It's literally impossible.

#7007

yeaaaaaah. so who's scum there?

#7008

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:05 pm otoh the g-man vote being set up instead of just self pres out of the blue is also giving me the heebie-jeebies

I named him mafia when I provided my initial game theory today. I don't care about this. A mafioso must be lynched. I have at least some measure of control over which wagon counters my own, and I don't think G-Man is a bad option.

#7009

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:06 pm yeaaaaaah. so who's scum there?

speedchuck and Epignosis are the lead candidates, given that they have used this day for exactly nothing other than seeing me to the noose. I could also see Tranq.

#7010

yeah speedchuck and G-man are probably scum at this point tbh.

#7011

Not mafia
juliets
Jackofhearts2005
Michelle
Sloonei
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime

Mafia
Epignosis
G-Man
speedchuck
Tranq

#7012

ted spent the first half of the game casting suspicion upon me, and he has every justification necessary to join my wagon. He had that justification when he was the counterwagon. He did not do that, and instead stuck to his G-Man tunnel. I think that's indicative of someone who is more interested in lynching a mafioso than in lynching JaggedJimmyJay. Good.

#7013

Master
Epignosis
G-Man
Tranq

Anti-Monitor
speedchuck

#7014

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:12 pm Not mafia
juliets
Jackofhearts2005
Michelle
Sloonei
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime

Likeliehood to be independent, from least to most likely, based on my best guess:

juliets
tedxtr
Jackofhearts2005
TonyStarkPrime
Michelle
Sloonei

#7015

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.

Oh. What.

#7016

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.
Oh. What.

Go stick an eyeball on the first post.

#7017

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.
Oh. What.

#7018

G-Man's hunting effort has been almost wholly based in vote analysis. That's fine to a point, and G-Man is usually a guy who likes the objective data. It has a shelf-life though, and it comes with clear limitations. There is no easier way for mafia members to look good than votes or to make other people look bad than votes. His approach has been sterile to boot. I couldn't tell you a hard stance of his right now.

#7019

Okay I guess G-man wouldn't be a bad lynch today.

Still think Jay is scum though.

#7020

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:33 pm Okay I guess G-man wouldn't be a bad lynch today.

Still think Jay is scum though.

You spoke earlier of "joy". Have you seen me express joy in any Mafia game since the start of 2019?

#7021

Everyone may as well submit a list with who the master team is for the anti monitor and hope he fucking cleans this mess

G-Man
Speedchuck
Jack

In this exact order. I think I’m 2/3 in there.

Everyone should do this, it’s also good to keep track of reads.

#7022

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:34 pm Jack

Tell me more

#7023

Yeah he’s not anything strong it actually feels kind of filler that’s why I said 2/3

I just remember town him being a lot more energetic and having a lot more pull in thread, he’d come in guns blazing and shit

His nutella push was also kind of bad and then after she was taken out his drive to scum hunt kinda plummeted

#7024

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.
Oh. What.
Go stick an eyeball on the first post.

My memory must have blocked that out because it makes no sense. All I remembered was “I can’t vote radishes because of Sloonei.”

#7025

And whatever energy he has seems faked for whenever he is pushing something but other than that you can tell his heart is not into it

#7026

[VOTE: g-man] aubergine

#7027

Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

#7028

What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

#7029

what the frick happened here

#7030

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:05 pm What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

none not one

#7031

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:34 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:33 pm Okay I guess G-man wouldn't be a bad lynch today.

Still think Jay is scum though.
You spoke earlier of "joy". Have you seen me express joy in any Mafia game since the start of 2019?

Have I been in a mafia game with you since the start of 2019?

Maybe.

#7032

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:05 pm What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

Townreading me wins you the game if you're town.

Good reason right there.

#7033

Okay, now that my day of school district war-room meetings and panic-shopper surviving is over, let's do this.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:01 am Juliets, I don’t like you holding me accountable for whatever you assume to be my meta when you yourself can’t find any reason for anyone being scum.

Everyone is sapped and confused, so am I, maybe that’s why, or maybe I’m just frustrated at G-Man still being alive when he’s most likely just scum and nobody is even keen to check him out and agree or disagree with me.

I’m at a stage where my most confident read is not regarded as even slight scum by anyone and how would you even react in this situation? I’m tired of having to constantly point out the obvious, of course I don’t have the drive.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:01 am Like just give me one reason G-Man is town. Just one.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:02 am I was talking about the first point mostly.

I mean it still goes on from D1 but there's really nobody else I scum read as hard as I do on him, but I guess the early engagement I had with him and the interest I had in lynching his slot kind of left a stain on my brain and I can't get rid of it until I'm proven wrong.

compromising with the majority would mean lynching the one dude who i have a town read on and I just can't vote him.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:05 am He's just not doing anything man and as soon as we let the leash off him he's been way too comfortable, make a contrast between his early game where he had to make a whole shtick for a whole day phase in order to fend off suspicion and now when he's not even talked about.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:37 pm I honestly don't know why I have to make a compelling scum case on G-Man because there is none. My point is he's done nothing. Nada. Zero.

There's barely anything for me to point out, the shtick with oompa loompa doompa dippity squeakitty ittsy bitsy thing was horrible as I saw it as his way of dealing with pressure, but my whole point is that there is nothing town about him, and there should be.

I don't know what this is called in psychology, but what you are doing is saying "There's no way JFK was assassinated by a nobody" because he was a nobody. "There's no way G-Man is scum because he hasn't done anything that outs him as scum" is a bad argument to make in general on a slot that has 10 posts and 8 were hidden behind a shtick so I couldn't snipe his scum tone.

It's as simple as there's nothing that makes him town and that's all you're having. It doesn't always have to be "He's scum because...", sometimes the lack of a town agenda or anything that can be identified as town behaviour is enough.

Hiding behind a shtick and deliberately choosing to maintain the idea of him being cursed by not refuting it only when he was in danger of being lynched and he saw the shtick didn't work - is enough of a reason to place him at some sort of scum position.

It's anti-town to hide behind shticks. It's anti-town to not call out that you aren't cursed, just trolling. Him doing it only when he's in danger of being lynched is the scummiest thing I've ever seen. HE LET THE IDEA OF HIM BEING CURSED SKATE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE TOWN READING IT, and when people had enough of it, he dropped it.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:01 pm G-man's not an easy target because for 7 fucking phases people said they don't want to lynch him.

I have asked for what Jay has done and I asked who are his team mates and my questions still remain to be answered by someone.

Ted, you don't know me. You think you can read me, but you cannot. I defy your opinions and assertions on what civvie behavior looks like. I spelled it out quite clearly in my response to S~V~S:

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:11 am When I’m bad, I’m chaotic evil. When I’m good, I’m more like chaotic neutral.

You need to lose your obsession and your ego, and just play. If you're a civvie hunting to win, a baddie hunting other baddies, or 3P hunting to survive, you are wrong, and the only way to show you how wrong is to give you what you want. I'm not giving up; I intend to give you want you want and let you live with the consequences.

I've been doing weird crap in mafia since I started playing 12 or so years ago. Have you noticed that every single one of my posts this game begins with the letter O? That's part of a long-running gimmick quest that started on May 6, 2016. I've held to this gimmick both as a civvie and as a baddie. Not sure if I had any 3P action in there at all, but if so, I did it then too.

Why?

Because I play for fun, not pride.

I'm not a very good mafia player in general. As a baddie, I'm guilty of trying too hard. As a civvie, I'm average at best, with a few fleeting moments of competency and even fewer fleeting moments of brilliance. Part of that is that I don't play often enough to hone my skill. Compounding that is the fact that I don't care to play often enough to hone my skill. I'm here to have my fun and to try my best not to screw up badly enough that I develop a reputation for sucking. I'm here to bring a smile to my face and to the faces of others. Once you see that a few times, you'll learn to handicap around it, as some have.

You seem like a round-hole kind of guy, but you have met one mother of a square peg.

Let's do this, finally. Serve up my head on a silver platter. Then learn from it.

In the meantime, excuse me while I do my silly dance.

#7034

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:05 pm What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

Nanook TR him. But was not a strong one.

#7035

Things I like: Ted.
Things I don’t like: how a lynch appeared on G-Man out of nowhere

#7036

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:52 pm Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

wait. why happy ?

#7037

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:36 pm Things I like: Ted.
Things I don’t like: how a lynch appeared on G-Man out of nowhere

when I left the thread he had 2 votes, Teds and mine. Idk what happened

#7038

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:52 pm Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

Juliets is scum I was wrong all along

#7039

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:40 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:38 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:02 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:48 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:25 am
sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:01 am Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada
Tex vs JJJ as opposed AI for Sig

oppinions?
Michelle, my apologies but can you explain a little more what your statement means?
I didn't say on purpose my oppinion.

What do you think /feel reading that post?
Well, I don't think Jay is anti-monitor because of his vote record so I think he is trying to shade Jay and Nanook as opposed to distancing from Jay.
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis ,
speedchuck ,
Tranq ,
Jackofhearts2005
What do you think?
Michelle, since you are asking everyone what they think about my post you must disagree with my opinion. Do you think Jay is the Anti-Monitor? Why? I'm saying if he's bad I think he's on the Master team, not the team with Radish and sig who he voted for.

no. I want oppinions about Sig's post not yours. And i quoted yours too because you were the first to answer.

#7040

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:41 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:52 pm Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.
Juliets is scum I was wrong all along

lol

#7041

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:06 pm G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:47 pm [VOTE: g-man] aubergine

come on Sloonei..

#7042

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:06 pm G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:47 pm [VOTE: g-man] aubergine

come on Sloonei..

G-man did not in fact vote for Mac on Day 2. Come on Michelle.

#7043

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:06 pm G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:47 pm [VOTE: g-man] aubergine
come on Sloonei..

ebwop

#7044

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:35 pm You need to lose your obsession and your ego, and just play. If you're a civvie hunting to win, a baddie hunting other baddies, or 3P hunting to survive, you are wrong, and the only way to show you how wrong is to give you what you want. I'm not giving up; I intend to give you want you want and let you live with the consequences.

For a civilian G-Man this would be throwing the game. You're not a petulant child. No thanks.

#7045

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:47 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:06 pm G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:47 pm [VOTE: g-man] aubergine

come on Sloonei..
G-man did not in fact vote for Mac on Day 2. Come on Michelle.

is midnight, bare votes are confusing me.

Why is Juliets villager?

#7046

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:39 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:52 pm Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.
wait. why happy ?

Because I feel worse about G-Man right now than I do about Jay.

#7047

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:48 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:35 pm You need to lose your obsession and your ego, and just play. If you're a civvie hunting to win, a baddie hunting other baddies, or 3P hunting to survive, you are wrong, and the only way to show you how wrong is to give you what you want. I'm not giving up; I intend to give you want you want and let you live with the consequences.
For a civilian G-Man this would be throwing the game. You're not a petulant child. No thanks.

Oh don't you dare try to define me. I'm not throwing the game. You're trying to make my radical honesty sound bad. This ain't a gambit.

#7048

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:43 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:40 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:38 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:02 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:48 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:25 am
Tex vs JJJ as opposed AI for Sig

oppinions?
Michelle, my apologies but can you explain a little more what your statement means?
I didn't say on purpose my oppinion.

What do you think /feel reading that post?
Well, I don't think Jay is anti-monitor because of his vote record so I think he is trying to shade Jay and Nanook as opposed to distancing from Jay.
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis ,
speedchuck ,
Tranq ,
Jackofhearts2005
What do you think?
Michelle, since you are asking everyone what they think about my post you must disagree with my opinion. Do you think Jay is the Anti-Monitor? Why? I'm saying if he's bad I think he's on the Master team, not the team with Radish and sig who he voted for.
no. I want oppinions about Sig's post not yours. And i quoted yours too because you were the first to answer.

Oh ok thanks Michelle.

#7049

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:47 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:06 pm G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:47 pm [VOTE: g-man] aubergine

come on Sloonei..
G-man did not in fact vote for Mac on Day 2. Come on Michelle.
is midnight, bare votes are confusing me.

Why is Juliets villager?

Paranoia is making me reconsider this possibility. But... why do you ask?

#7050

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:44 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:41 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:52 pm Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.
Juliets is scum I was wrong all along
lol

why lol? you have no idea how wolfy is this answer for me. No real reason, no villagery ideas. just lol :/

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:49 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:39 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:52 pm Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.
wait. why happy ?
Because I feel worse about G-Man right now than I do about Jay.

Why? And if so, it's sarcasm? I don't understand

Would you like to see a hammer lynch tomorrow?