Corrupt!? Mafia (ENDGAME)

[Sloonei]

i'd say right now but i'm tired. do it after i'm gone, y'all.

[MacDougall]

So here's our path to victory.

You gotta just get Boo the fuck out. He's a wolf.

The other one is gonna get to lylo.

At lylo you just gotta shoot the person who shouldn't be there. I think it'll be Nook.

If we get to F4, don't use the gun, make them clear someone with the poison.

Easy as.

I'll probs get there too because I ain't about to be poisoned and frankly I'm too good at insisting people do what I say to get shot.

[MacDougall]

When I say shouldn't be there I mean shouldn't be there because they should be poisoned if that wasn't clear. If like I'm there it's clearly because I'm the bait.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Mac & Drago

Spoiler: show

I have gamesolve anyway.

boo - scum
Dragomir - town
DrWilgy - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Duskfall - town
Funnygurl555 - scum
G-Man - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Hyena - town
Jackofhearts2005 - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Johann - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Sloonei - town

Shooting order:

FG > Boo > G-Man > Wilgy > Jack > Johann

Game winning POE already.

So GTH they're all town?

Do you think Nanook is a wolf?

@MacDougall your Hyena scum read goes against my town read on her. Talk to me about your read.

Hyena seems aright it's just that FG/Hyena feel like teammates. The "oh revenge shoot lol" thing seems like bs. They went on about it too much. If FG flips town I'll probably drop the read entirely.

Dragomir just do your own work for now I don't care enough to explain myself.

@MacDougall do you think Nutella is good or bad?

I think it would be foolhardy to give her a town read here but as of right now she is not someone I will shoot.

Nah. I like my Mac vote.

Hyena and Duskfall fear me having the gun. Funny.

Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

WTF did Boo and Dragomir do to you in scum chat?? Where is Mac?

What a strange and reachy horrible scummy post this is lol.

Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?

Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.

I listed him in my top town 2 or 3 minutes before he cfded

Yeah ok Drago def on the shortlist.

Btw nutella you stinking butt head. I AM reading the thread.

So far here's the score:

FG - Sus
Hyena - Sus
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus

Still going.

Hyena is town. Lock it and throw the key away.

Say stuff about this

So basically here are my narrowed down options.

G-man - Not spicy but I think he's scum
Wilgy - Not spicy and I think he's town
Johann - Lil bit spicy and I think he's scum
Hyena - Spicy and I suspect
Dragomir - Spicy and I suspect
Jack - Flaming spice and I think he's scum

I have the shot submitted on Jack unless I have a change of heart.

Johann, Nutella, and FG would be all shots I'd be fine with. I'd only shoot Jack after those three and G-Man.

I don't think I'd shoot Mac or Dusk ever. Nanook would be a SUPER spicy shot, especially considering that he's starting to trend into that tone territory where I get iffy about him, like I did in Corona Virus.

Talk to me more about Johann, as well as your Nanook read.

I think I'd keep Sloonei around another day.

Why did you frame it like this, versus just town reading him? What is your reservation?

Boo and Drago are no-gos for me right now. I'd never shoot them right now, but if I had to pick one to die over the other right now, it would always be Drago to shoot over Boo since I'm less sure about Drago. Boo just feels pure right now to me.

Why did you feel the need to pair these two off? Particularly why did you feel the need to go from no go-s to choosing between them? I don't understand your thought process here.

boo - no
Dragomir - no
DrWilgy - no
Duskfall - ...
Funnygurl555 - no
G-Man - ...
Hyena - ...
Jackofhearts2005 - ...
Johann - ...
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - ...
nutella - no
Sloonei - no

Duskfall... nah
G-man... nah
Wilgy... nah
Hyena ... nah
Johann maybe
Jack maybe
Nanook maybe... nah.

Kind of in two minds about Johann and Jack here.

I think I look worst here but that's because Dragomir did work to pocket me. I think there's a good chance the Johann case was just distancing. Dragomir didn't respond to it like a scum responds to a townie casing them.

Bit sus on his interactions with Boo and FG too. I'd focus on those three.

This is uninspiring. Mac suggests some suspicion of Drago while he's holding the gun, but I don't see much evidence that he's actively considering a shot in that direction. At one point he acknowldges a case against Drago and places him "on the shortlist", but then Mac's very next post is a general summary of players he has decisive thoughts on, and Drago is omitted. There's no sustained pressure on Drago from Mac on Day 2, or really any pressure at all. He made a quick point to downplay the associative reads between them, which is yuck. I still maintain a firm suspicion on Mac based on the entirety of his handling of nutella Day/Night 1. His interactions with Drago are not encouraging either. If I could get the gun, I'd probably shoot mac.

Fuck this nightmare. You were meant to join me not turn on me.

Join you in what? When did I turn on you? I've been consistently naming you as a suspect for a while. But I'm not getting the gun, so you don't need to worry too much about old sloon. Tell us who deserves to be shot instead of you and hope for the best.

Like come in and catch up and realise I'm the sane person and all my arguments against Boo were legit and back me up and shit gdi.

Sloobot malfunctioning. I can't play wolf like this Sloonei. I haven't managed a wolf game anything close to this in years. I've been nothing but honest and sincere. God's honest truth that is.

I haven't gotten to any of that yet. I am looking squarely at Days 1 & 2 and Dragomir interactions.

Ah well there’s your problem.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It's currently 8 vs 2, but I'm essentially already dead so it's really 7 vs 2. I believe that gives town a total of 2 mis-shots. A 4-person POE should solve the game.

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

If we're comfortable taking those four out of the pool, though, then we just need to clear one of the following: G-man, wilgy, boo, mac, jack.

When I placed a doofus vote on wilgy Day 1, Drago came down hard on me. I'm not sure that happens if Wilgy is his partner.

You shouldn’t have trouble clearing me or GMan considering you seem to have just read the entire game.

Tell me why Jackofhearts2005 deserves to be cleared.

Read Day 2.

I have antialignment with your entire POE unless it’s me and GMan.

[Jackofhearts2005]

FG - Sus -1 -1
Hyena - Sus +1 -1 Ugh Fuck you Hyena
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus
Jack - Cleared
G-man - Sus
Sloonei - Sus
Nutella - Sus
Boo - Seems ok
Wilgy - Null as usual fuck you Wilgy

Lol I can't believe I have the gun this is great.

Lol, thanks Dad.

Run by me why Nanook, Johann, and Jack are clear.

lol, it would be funny if, like, Mac and Wilgy are the last two mafia. I don't think this is the case though? I think this is the first time Wilgy mentioned Mac in his ISO. And he's going against Jack again here.

Correct.

Tell me why Jack isn't scum and is there currently any avenue to having him shot?

If Jack is scum, then Mac is most likely his partner since I already ruled out you and Boo being his partner.

Great reason to shoot me last.

[Jackofhearts2005]

4% battery. I may disappear for a bit.

[Sloonei]

It's currently 8 vs 2, but I'm essentially already dead so it's really 7 vs 2. I believe that gives town a total of 2 mis-shots. A 4-person POE should solve the game.

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

If we're comfortable taking those four out of the pool, though, then we just need to clear one of the following: G-man, wilgy, boo, mac, jack.

When I placed a doofus vote on wilgy Day 1, Drago came down hard on me. I'm not sure that happens if Wilgy is his partner.

You shouldn’t have trouble clearing me or GMan considering you seem to have just read the entire game.

Tell me why Jackofhearts2005 deserves to be cleared.

Read Day 2.

I have antialignment with your entire POE unless it’s me and GMan.

explain

[Sloonei]

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

does anyone disapprove of this line of thinking?

[Jackofhearts2005]

It's currently 8 vs 2, but I'm essentially already dead so it's really 7 vs 2. I believe that gives town a total of 2 mis-shots. A 4-person POE should solve the game.

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

If we're comfortable taking those four out of the pool, though, then we just need to clear one of the following: G-man, wilgy, boo, mac, jack.

When I placed a doofus vote on wilgy Day 1, Drago came down hard on me. I'm not sure that happens if Wilgy is his partner.

You shouldn’t have trouble clearing me or GMan considering you seem to have just read the entire game.

Tell me why Jackofhearts2005 deserves to be cleared.

Read Day 2.

I have antialignment with your entire POE unless it’s me and GMan.

explain

Boo and Wilgy both want me dead.

Mac and me had a shitton if back and forth today and if you read it all as wolf theater, you need glasses.

[Sloonei]

It's currently 8 vs 2, but I'm essentially already dead so it's really 7 vs 2. I believe that gives town a total of 2 mis-shots. A 4-person POE should solve the game.

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

If we're comfortable taking those four out of the pool, though, then we just need to clear one of the following: G-man, wilgy, boo, mac, jack.

When I placed a doofus vote on wilgy Day 1, Drago came down hard on me. I'm not sure that happens if Wilgy is his partner.

You shouldn’t have trouble clearing me or GMan considering you seem to have just read the entire game.

Tell me why Jackofhearts2005 deserves to be cleared.

Read Day 2.

I have antialignment with your entire POE unless it’s me and GMan.

explain

Boo and Wilgy both want me dead.

Mac and me had a shitton if back and forth today and if you read it all as wolf theater, you need glasses.

what about g-man?

i don't think you and mac are incapable of hard distancing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

does anyone disapprove of this line of thinking?

I do.

You haven’t even looked at Nanook by your own admission because he shot Drago even though you just won a game because Nanook hard bussed your slot.

You know better.

Your other three clears are fine imo.

[Sloonei]

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

does anyone disapprove of this line of thinking?

I do.

You haven’t even looked at Nanook by your own admission because he shot Drago even though you just won a game because Nanook hard bussed your slot.

You know better.

Your other three clears are fine imo.

i don't think i won that game. i did not actually participate.

i'd need more than wifom to convince me that nanook is a worthy suspect.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It's currently 8 vs 2, but I'm essentially already dead so it's really 7 vs 2. I believe that gives town a total of 2 mis-shots. A 4-person POE should solve the game.

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

If we're comfortable taking those four out of the pool, though, then we just need to clear one of the following: G-man, wilgy, boo, mac, jack.

When I placed a doofus vote on wilgy Day 1, Drago came down hard on me. I'm not sure that happens if Wilgy is his partner.

You shouldn’t have trouble clearing me or GMan considering you seem to have just read the entire game.

Tell me why Jackofhearts2005 deserves to be cleared.

Read Day 2.

I have antialignment with your entire POE unless it’s me and GMan.

explain

Boo and Wilgy both want me dead.

Mac and me had a shitton if back and forth today and if you read it all as wolf theater, you need glasses.

what about g-man?

i don't think you and mac are incapable of hard distancing.

Just look at it ffs. Ruling out an entire day phase is a bad idea.

And nothing about GMan. GMan is town. He’s had a town mindset. I’m not clearing him through Drago interactions.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

does anyone disapprove of this line of thinking?

I do.

You haven’t even looked at Nanook by your own admission because he shot Drago even though you just won a game because Nanook hard bussed your slot.

You know better.

Your other three clears are fine imo.

i don't think i won that game. i did not actually participate.

i'd need more than wifom to convince me that nanook is a worthy suspect.

The baseline is not “Is Nanook a worthy suspect?”

The baseline is “Should Nanook he cleared?”

You know that the answer to that is a firm “No.” You know that lock clearing a known busser because to be a wolf he’d have had to bus is stupid.

But once again, Nanook pushed hard to take Boo and Wilgy our if the poe for reasons he refused to elaborate on. So from the perspective of a town player in the proposed POE of 2 players, that’s sketchy af. Which is why I suspect him and probably why Mac does as well.

[Sloonei]

this phase ends in 20 minutes and i'm expiring with it. i'm not going to re-read 48 hours worth of posts. I'm just trying to offer what I can before the clock expires. If others look at what you're pointing to and agree with you, good. I'm not going to be around for that part though.

[Sloonei]

Mac told me I should know better than to town read nutella on Day 1.

Jack is telling me I should know better than to town read Nanook on Day 3.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If you are mafia do you make a case against inactive townie or is it too obvious. Or do you keep your mouth shut if he is your teammate and dont wanna risk policy kill

Nanook was scum in Corona Virus mafia and pushed against an inactive Poison-chan during D1. Granted, they turned out to be scum, too, lol.

Yea but no one touched wilgy besides Jack from what i can remember

Mac and Nanook had “weird” interactions with Wilgy today.

It’s why I initially wanted to shoot Wilgy over Boo.

Boo is worse in a vacuum.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Mac told me I should know better than to town read nutella on Day 1.

Jack is telling me I should know better than to town read Nanook on Day 3.

So what?

I can “clear” a random player for anything and have a >50% chance of having the right read but anyone who tells me that I should know better that to do that is also correct.

And Nanook hasn’t flipped.

[G-Man]

Question for you, Jack: If Nanook is bad, why would he shoot Dragomir when he could get away with a mis-shot and not blow his cover doing so? He was all but consensus town-read at that point. Is Nanook that cute or masochistic a baddie?

[Jackofhearts2005]

And I’m not saying you shouldn’t townread him.

I’m saying I don’t townread him and you shouldn’t lock clear him.

[Sloonei]

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

The steady hand of a doctor is the only on we can trust with a shot like this.

This is the spiciest vote in the entire game. I don't know what to make of it.

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

The steady hand of a doctor is the only on we can trust with a shot like this.

This is the spiciest vote in the entire game. I don't know what to make of it.

That Sloonei is dedicated to his vote not being a relevant factor, apparently?

Yes.

The vote is useless. Nobody's gonna wagon Wilgy, an inactive player with no more than one post, with roughly an hour left in the phase. Especially when the majority of the active players have formulated town cores.

Voting for Wilgy all of a sudden and even trying to get ppl on board is just worthy of an lol.

Now, I'm trying to decide as to what that means concerning Sloonei's alignment, if it has any meaning at all.

Do these posts exist if the mafia team is wilgy/boo/drago?

[MacDougall]

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

does anyone disapprove of this line of thinking?

Aside from shooting Dragomir, Nanook has been super scummy. If we just go "derp he shot a wolf let's never entertain him being scummy again" then we deserve to lose every game to a basic bus. Nanook needs to still actually be townie outside of his shot to get cleared.

[Sloonei]

What has nanook done that is super scummy?
bearing in mind that this is nanook we're talking about.

[MacDougall]

Mac told me I should know better than to town read nutella on Day 1.

Jack is telling me I should know better than to town read Nanook on Day 3.

False dichotomy. You're feeling too much pressure to justify your opinions. You're confirmed town you have the freedom to explore all angles here properly. You don't need to spend any time at all justifying your opinions, just entertain when they are objected to and look at new angles until you find the right one because you haven't yet I assure you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Question for you, Jack: If Nanook is bad, why would he shoot Dragomir when he could get away with a mis-shot and not blow his cover doing so? He was all but consensus town-read at that point. Is Nanook that cute or masochistic a baddie?

Because that doesn’t give him any cred.

Why did Nanook try to bus Poison and then actually bussed MP (same teammate slot) in Covid?

Sometimes wolves bus. Nanook in particular busses as a wolf.

I understand nobody wanting him dead. He’s my third highest scumread. I don’t expect him to be in anyone else’s top 4 besides Mac’s. He’s not the best shot tonight.

Don’t you dare clear him, though. He’s not clear.

[Sloonei]

Mac told me I should know better than to town read nutella on Day 1.

Jack is telling me I should know better than to town read Nanook on Day 3.

False dichotomy. You're feeling too much pressure to justify your opinions. You're confirmed town you have the freedom to explore all angles here properly. You don't need to spend any time at all justifying your opinions, just entertain when they are objected to and look at new angles until you find the right one because you haven't yet I assure you.

This isn't a dichotomy. I'm not saying this to link the two of you together. I'm just observing that I've been told twice that my reads shouldn't be what they are. I was right in the first instance. This post is pure salt, not an accusation.

[MacDougall]

What has nanook done that is super scummy?
bearing in mind that this is nanook we're talking about.

Nanook has produced no evidence for any of his reads. He has simply made them. He's made snap decisions to veto kills. He kills discussions and refuses to elaborate on why. You can read his ISO for yourself and see. I appreciate that is Nanook's MO generally but frankly I'm never going to let any player play like that without needling the shit out of them because it's too frustrating.

[Sloonei]

"Nanook has bussed before, therefore he is bussing now" is not a compelling argument.

[MacDougall]

Mac told me I should know better than to town read nutella on Day 1.

Jack is telling me I should know better than to town read Nanook on Day 3.

False dichotomy. You're feeling too much pressure to justify your opinions. You're confirmed town you have the freedom to explore all angles here properly. You don't need to spend any time at all justifying your opinions, just entertain when they are objected to and look at new angles until you find the right one because you haven't yet I assure you.

This isn't a dichotomy. I'm not saying this to link the two of you together. I'm just observing that I've been told twice that my reads shouldn't be what they are. I was right in the first instance. This post is pure salt, not an accusation.

Just because you were right the first time doesn't mean you are right the second time.

Besides, you might be right about Nanook. The only thing I know for certain is you are wrong about me. If you can find town me you will have a much clearer view of the truth of the game.

[MacDougall]

"Nanook has bussed before, therefore he is bussing now" is not a compelling argument.

Not is "Nanook killed Dragomir therefore he's scum". Neither are compelling arguments. The motive to kill Dragomir is abundantly clear by virtue of what you are doing right now.

[Sloonei]

i'd shoot between jack, mac, and boo. I still think now's a good time for a trustfall. I'm out.

[MacDougall]

FMPOV Jack is nearly cleared. He's mind melding too much with me. He'd have to be a genius wolf to be able to fixate his mindset into the necessary town one to emulate all of my perspectives the way he is.

[Sloonei]

boo is the heavier tinfoil suspect of those three. I read him as town, but there's enough of an argument to the contrary that he's on my shortlist.

[leetic]

[mention]boo[/mention]
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]
[mention]Funnygurl555[/mention]
[mention]G-Man[/mention]
[mention]Hyena[/mention]
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]
[mention]Johann[/mention]
[mention]MacDougall[/mention]
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]
[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Sloonei died of poison! He was vanilla town.

Johann was given the gun! He has 24 hours to choose somebody to shoot.

[MacDougall]

boo is the heavier tinfoil suspect of those three. I read him as town, but there's enough of an argument to the contrary that he's on my shortlist.

Boo is lock wolf from my vantage point. I know you are thinking you are seeing my best wolf game or whatever but this is not that. I am not teammates with Boo and nor do I think Jack is. Therefore I would implore you to work around your beliefs as best you can and help us find Boo's partner before you're gone. Please?

Linki: Oh damn I didn't realise day was ending this fast.

[MacDougall]

RIP Sloonei.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] methinks we need to do some work.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lol me linking Sloonei to shit right before he dies.

[Jackofhearts2005]

RIP Sloonei.

methinks we need to do some work.

You and I did a lot of work mixing shit up today (stop trying to buddy me lol) and Sloonei did a lot of the type of work I don’t like to do.

Fmpov, it’s probably Wilgy/Boo and Nanook and you dying clears me or at least lets me die happy after being pocketed twice and being put on a winning path in spite of myself.

Since Johann is shooting in you/Boo, sounds like you need to do some work.

[MacDougall]

RIP Sloonei.

methinks we need to do some work.

You and I did a lot of work mixing shit up today (stop trying to buddy me lol) and Sloonei did a lot of the type of work I don’t like to do.

Fmpov, it’s probably Wilgy/Boo and Nanook and you dying clears me or at least lets me die happy after being pocketed twice and being put on a winning path in spite of myself.

Since Johann is shooting in you/Boo, sounds like you need to do some work.

I need to buddy you because everyone else hates me except FG and I need allies lol.

[Jackofhearts2005]

As in regardless of who gets shot, the game basically gets solved tonight fmpov.

Boo flips scum? Shoot Nanook and win.

Boo flips town? Shoot Wilgy probably. Then Nanook and win.

(It’s easier to get Nanook shot with a scum flip on Wilgy or Boo.)

Mac flips scum? Lol argue I’m actually unaligned with him just not as obvious as with Boo/Wilgy. But then we have time to blast both Wilgy and Boo. Or me and still chances to win.

Mac flips town? I’m cleared cause literally everyone else in the POE wants me dead and in what world is the plan that Wilgy/Boo busses me? Then I push to enforce my POE.

Towning is easy, ya’ll. You just gotta fight with as many players as possible.

[Jackofhearts2005]

RIP Sloonei.

methinks we need to do some work.

You and I did a lot of work mixing shit up today (stop trying to buddy me lol) and Sloonei did a lot of the type of work I don’t like to do.

Fmpov, it’s probably Wilgy/Boo and Nanook and you dying clears me or at least lets me die happy after being pocketed twice and being put on a winning path in spite of myself.

Since Johann is shooting in you/Boo, sounds like you need to do some work.

I need to buddy you because everyone else hates me except FG and I need allies lol.

You shouldn’t have tried to make me eat prions and bugs, then.

[MacDougall]

LOL

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

it is true that i'm perfect, i won't argue their.

Underrated joke tbh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Question for you, Jack: If Nanook is bad, why would he shoot Dragomir when he could get away with a mis-shot and not blow his cover doing so? He was all but consensus town-read at that point. Is Nanook that cute or masochistic a baddie?

The answer is no, I am not!

I’ll do weird shit, but only when I feel like I have to.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What has nanook done that is super scummy?
bearing in mind that this is nanook we're talking about.

Oy!

Fair, but, still, oy!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook is scum cause he busses! But he’s also scum cause he’s hard defending his partner!

Make up your damn mind.


Also, like, cut the shit Mac with the “if Nanook is at LYLO auto-shoot him,” I’m very obviously not getting poisoned while people are pushing me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also worth noting I took wilgy and boo out of the POE for a day. Not forever.

Although I’m feeling better about boo in general tbh so idk maybe he’s a keeper.

[Funnygurl555]

FG if you have an actual good reason to town read me to the degree you are I would love for you to play that trump card before I get 86ed.

DUMB TELLS

ATE

mac has done BOTH

ladies and gentlemen, mac is town

thanks

[Funnygurl555]

to make my case even better

johann don't shoot mac for the love of... something idk. mac is TOWN don't DO IT listen to the almighty big font