Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Michelle]

rip sloonei's town cred

Please tell me the news

sloonei was read town because "mafia doesn't mute themselves" and sloonei was too townie to be muted by town, but syn muted him for the lols

Rough for Sloonei no matter alignament

@Syn did you SR Sloonei when you muted him?

no

and on a theory standpoint, I'm not sure it would have been better for me to silence a scum read? Since that means they can't be pressured.

That's sad ig
Silencing is unbearable in mafia
At least would be for me..

[Syn]

I mean if you can muster like 70k or something it would make more sense

i'm never doing this again

[Kylemii]

I'm bad at tetris and the scum are going to get my role tonight.

there is a little discussion of the tetris role with tim here between

Also Sloonei is not in that group either tbh. I can accept some tinfoil because I don't think he's really vintage town Sloonei, but the Mafia are not gonna silence their own teammate N1 like that.

why do you assume mafia muted?

Why do you assume not?

I don't assume either way, and don't make reads based on that assumption that would clear sloonei. Why do you assume mafia muted?

Cat had a silencer role. Someone got muted.

Marmot had a Tetris role. I got a Tetris challenge N2 after Marmot died.

Scum have a universal backup it seems. No way they use that power on a teammate who's not even under much suspicion on N1.

Sloonei gets a pass until late game if he's still alive, then we can re-eval.

Guys I suck at Tetris.

Update: I'm doing better at Tetris now.

I'm gonna give Tetris one more go to try and improve upon my pitiful score.

Btw I lost at Tetris. I hoped my scum challenger would get overconfident at my public announcements of my suckitude and not try hard, but it turns out I do just suck.

apparently this is not a lie, because:

Also I was gonna keep this mum but I did win at Tetris and have a roleblock. I figure the scum know anyway, but my confirmation of that came after my initial 'I lost at Tetris' post and I got distracted by other things.

@master radishes why did you think you lost if you hadn't recieved host confirmation yet? why mention it at all?

radishy did u use ur tetris roleblock?

is this why syn thinks ur mafia? cuz u said u lost but he knows u won?

I only just got it after N3 ended.

I also know I can holster it, which is what first made me start trusting Tim's claim and giving his theory some weight. (At least, after I slept and woke up today...I probably shouldn't play Mafia after midnight when I have to wake up at 6.)

And yeah I got challenged at Tetris, so not sure how I can even be mafia here.

hmmm

Sloonei got silenced despite the silencer dying.

I claimed right up front when I got Tetris'd despite the Tetriser dying.

The rules of Marmot's role were clear. There's no advantage to the scum team challenging one of their own with a backup shot.

[Sloonei]

rip sloonei's town cred

Please tell me the news

sloonei was read town because "mafia doesn't mute themselves" and sloonei was too townie to be muted by town, but syn muted him for the lols

Rough for Sloonei no matter alignament

@Syn did you SR Sloonei when you muted him?

no

and on a theory standpoint, I'm not sure it would have been better for me to silence a scum read? Since that means they can't be pressured.

That's sad ig
Silencing is unbearable in mafia
At least would be for me..

Can confirm, being silenced is not fun.

[Kylemii]

does radishes make these posts if he's a mafia that knows the role that challenged him was town?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I mean if you can muster like 70k or something it would make more sense

i'm never doing this again

smh

[TonyStarkPrime]

yes I just want to show off

[TonyStarkPrime]

I challenge y'all

[Syn]

what the fuckckckckk

[TonyStarkPrime]

does radishes make these posts if he's a mafia that knows the role that challenged him was town?

I think he does still. The consensus that scum had a role copier had been established /before/ the tetris thing so it makes sense for him to stay in line with that charade

[TonyStarkPrime]

But it makes it slightly less likely

[112]

My Sloonei suspicion is more interest than anything. But voting Martin and voting generally off wagon for Sloonei specifically does not sit that well with me.

If it wasn't obvious, I have given up on trying to Be Sloonei this game.

I was silenced for literally a full week, and then missed the majority of Day 3 as well. This town is doing just fine without me, so I'm content to spend my free time doing things other than sifting through ~500 post ISOs for relationship clues. I'm just hopping around and trying to chime in when I think it's worth doing so. But it feels nice to be taking it easy this game, and unless/until it becomes necessary to do more, I don't intend to change that. This is the exact gamestate I've been longing for for months: one in which I'm under no pressure to work hard.

Yo, this feels pure.

@112
@nutella (assuming you're still in the game)
@MacDougall (since you're alive through Tim)

Remember that detailed town read I gave Adrian early on in S6W1 where I said he was probably town just based on how genuinely relieved he sounded in his posts to have not randed mafia again? I'm getting a similar vibe from this Sloonei post.

was anyone under the serious impression that sloonei is a wolf?

[Syn]

TSP how long did it take you to get that far

my measly 15k took like five minutes

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP how long did it take you to get that far

my measly 15k took like five minutes

I recorded it lemme check

[TonyStarkPrime]

11:19

[Michelle]

My Sloonei suspicion is more interest than anything. But voting Martin and voting generally off wagon for Sloonei specifically does not sit that well with me.

If it wasn't obvious, I have given up on trying to Be Sloonei this game.

I was silenced for literally a full week, and then missed the majority of Day 3 as well. This town is doing just fine without me, so I'm content to spend my free time doing things other than sifting through ~500 post ISOs for relationship clues. I'm just hopping around and trying to chime in when I think it's worth doing so. But it feels nice to be taking it easy this game, and unless/until it becomes necessary to do more, I don't intend to change that. This is the exact gamestate I've been longing for for months: one in which I'm under no pressure to work hard.

Yo, this feels pure.

@112
@nutella (assuming you're still in the game)
@MacDougall (since you're alive through Tim)

Remember that detailed town read I gave Adrian early on in S6W1 where I said he was probably town just based on how genuinely relieved he sounded in his posts to have not randed mafia again? I'm getting a similar vibe from this Sloonei post.

was anyone under the serious impression that sloonei is a wolf?

Probably from a small amount of paranoia in day 1 but what Hyena says is logical and I like that post.

[Kylemii]

[Master Radishes]

Spoiler: show

I'm bad at tetris and the scum are going to get my role tonight.

there is a little discussion of the tetris role with tim here between

Also Sloonei is not in that group either tbh. I can accept some tinfoil because I don't think he's really vintage town Sloonei, but the Mafia are not gonna silence their own teammate N1 like that.

why do you assume mafia muted?

Why do you assume not?

I don't assume either way, and don't make reads based on that assumption that would clear sloonei. Why do you assume mafia muted?

Cat had a silencer role. Someone got muted.

Marmot had a Tetris role. I got a Tetris challenge N2 after Marmot died.

Scum have a universal backup it seems. No way they use that power on a teammate who's not even under much suspicion on N1.

Sloonei gets a pass until late game if he's still alive, then we can re-eval.

Guys I suck at Tetris.

Update: I'm doing better at Tetris now.

I'm gonna give Tetris one more go to try and improve upon my pitiful score.

Btw I lost at Tetris. I hoped my scum challenger would get overconfident at my public announcements of my suckitude and not try hard, but it turns out I do just suck.

apparently this is not a lie, because:

Also I was gonna keep this mum but I did win at Tetris and have a roleblock. I figure the scum know anyway, but my confirmation of that came after my initial 'I lost at Tetris' post and I got distracted by other things.

@master radishes why did you think you lost if you hadn't recieved host confirmation yet? why mention it at all?

radishy did u use ur tetris roleblock?

is this why syn thinks ur mafia? cuz u said u lost but he knows u won?

I only just got it after N3 ended.

I also know I can holster it, which is what first made me start trusting Tim's claim and giving his theory some weight. (At least, after I slept and woke up today...I probably shouldn't play Mafia after midnight when I have to wake up at 6.)

And yeah I got challenged at Tetris, so not sure how I can even be mafia here.

hmmm

Sloonei got silenced despite the silencer dying.

I claimed right up front when I got Tetris'd despite the Tetriser dying.

The rules of Marmot's role were clear. There's no advantage to the scum team challenging one of their own with a backup shot.

Kyle, look at the time of my 'I lost at Tetris' post. It was like 20 mins after SoD. I assumed I'd have been told by then. I got my PM about it like 1 minute later.

[Kylemii]

is this a good score i can't tell

[Kylemii]

it's my first time playing

[Master Radishes]

Spoiler: show

I'm bad at tetris and the scum are going to get my role tonight.

there is a little discussion of the tetris role with tim here between

Also Sloonei is not in that group either tbh. I can accept some tinfoil because I don't think he's really vintage town Sloonei, but the Mafia are not gonna silence their own teammate N1 like that.

why do you assume mafia muted?

Why do you assume not?

I don't assume either way, and don't make reads based on that assumption that would clear sloonei. Why do you assume mafia muted?

Cat had a silencer role. Someone got muted.

Marmot had a Tetris role. I got a Tetris challenge N2 after Marmot died.

Scum have a universal backup it seems. No way they use that power on a teammate who's not even under much suspicion on N1.

Sloonei gets a pass until late game if he's still alive, then we can re-eval.

Guys I suck at Tetris.

Update: I'm doing better at Tetris now.

I'm gonna give Tetris one more go to try and improve upon my pitiful score.

Btw I lost at Tetris. I hoped my scum challenger would get overconfident at my public announcements of my suckitude and not try hard, but it turns out I do just suck.

apparently this is not a lie, because:

Also I was gonna keep this mum but I did win at Tetris and have a roleblock. I figure the scum know anyway, but my confirmation of that came after my initial 'I lost at Tetris' post and I got distracted by other things.

@master radishes why did you think you lost if you hadn't recieved host confirmation yet? why mention it at all?

radishy did u use ur tetris roleblock?

is this why syn thinks ur mafia? cuz u said u lost but he knows u won?

I only just got it after N3 ended.

I also know I can holster it, which is what first made me start trusting Tim's claim and giving his theory some weight. (At least, after I slept and woke up today...I probably shouldn't play Mafia after midnight when I have to wake up at 6.)

And yeah I got challenged at Tetris, so not sure how I can even be mafia here.

hmmm

Sloonei got silenced despite the silencer dying.

I claimed right up front when I got Tetris'd despite the Tetriser dying.

The rules of Marmot's role were clear. There's no advantage to the scum team challenging one of their own with a backup shot.

Kyle, look at the time of my 'I lost at Tetris' post. It was like 20 mins after SoD. I assumed I'd have been told by then. I got my PM about it like 1 minute later.

*1 hr 20 mins even.

[Kylemii]

Kyle, look at the time of my 'I lost at Tetris' post. It was like 20 mins after SoD. I assumed I'd have been told by then. I got my PM about it like 1 minute later.

*1 hr 20 mins even.

hmmm yes, at 4:20 PM, nice.

[Master Radishes]

Btw was just waiting for approval to do this, but here's the screenshot I sent the hosts:

[Master Radishes]

Enjoy my tabs.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Nice

[Kylemii]

i think that would be an understandable assumption

[Master Radishes]

So the scum team challenged me to Tetris N2.

So why am I scum?

[Kylemii]

So the scum team challenged me to Tetris N2.

So why am I scum?

you haven't caught up yet right

[Master Radishes]

So the scum team challenged me to Tetris N2.

So why am I scum?

you haven't caught up yet right

No.

[Kylemii]

ok sure

I'm a universal backup for the chop. I can use whoever gets chopped's ability the same night. One-time use, cannot holster an ability for later. The wolf abilities being used the night after a wolf has died is pure coincidence: they were the chops, so those were the abilities I got to use. I can't use NKs.

So N1 I used Cat's silence on Sloonei. Reason: For the hell of it. Post rationalization was that I wanted to see what people would do with a silenced Sloonei, who has been an ultra-quick nightkill in every game I've seen and a huge town presence. Would people try to angle it for a chop? (Some people did, but nothing that pinged me as especially scummy.) TBH, I don't think this was useful in any way from a town perspective. Nobody else would have been a better choice, I don't think, but I guess I just don't see the utility of a silence for town. Or maybe I don't grok the gambit side of it. Complete wash. And I think I may have inadvertently encouraged Sloonei to just kick back and chill from that point on, which is a net negative for town if he's also town.

N2 I used Marmot's Tetris challenge on Master Radishes. I do not like Tetris. I hate it. I softed giving Radishes the challenge during D3 when he was saying that the wolves challenged him. "That's not very cash tetris of you" You can ISO this!

Here is why I thought I caught Radishes.

I didn't play my Tetris side. I didn't care about wanting his ability, whatever it is. But I did town-read Radishes after the Marmot flash wagon, and of the people who could gain a roleblock, not be suspicious, and not wake up dead to a NK, Radishes was up there. I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Nutella would be next, so I wasn't gonna challenge her. So I didn't play, meaning no matter how poorly Radishes did, he would win and get a roleblock for N3.

D3 ends and Jack gets chopped. He's a cop. I get his ability, I ask to make sure I know how it works, and I think to myself: Who can I cop-check that won't be the vig shot? Jack at the time flipped shouting that Tutuu had to go, so she was out. Made? Well, Tim really seemed interested in that, and I could see him being difficult, maybe. Well, hey, people are giving Nanook a hard time, so I'll pick him. Put that to bed. He dies. Okay, fine. What the hell is a Joe Pesci anyway?

Jack gets resurrected and he says he thought his ability was a delayed vig. I'm suspicious, but interested, because I targeted Nanook with his ability! But the host didn't say anything about anyone dying, so suss. Seems unlikely.

Then Radishes posts that he didn't get his block. He posts that he lost his match and now the wolves have his ability. A surprise to me, given that I never played, so even submitting a zero would've gotten him the win.

So pieces fall into place for me. Tutuu is still alive. I gave Radishes a block. Tim says his shot failed. And I remembered then that TSP claimed a kill ability that is dependent on picking the right person at night. And Nanook was a goon. Balance-wise, it makes sense that the target for a townie conditional kill would be someone that isn't essential to the wolves. Tie the goon, who can carry the kill but doesn't have any special powers, to this ability. The clouds part. The Simpsons theme starts to play. Lisa has figured it out. Radishes is a wolf who used his block on Tim to protect his teammate Tutuu, and TSP targeted Nanook and it was a hit. Through the power of coincidence, I've set up a one-two punch of guaranteed wolves.

Kylemii having stolen Tim's shot screws that whole thing up. My conclusion on Radish is dependent on the assumption that Tim was blocked; specifically, blocked by the block I gave Radishes. With Tim not blocked, I no longer have reason to think Radishes used it on him, and the rest kind of falls apart. I do think Radishes's response was... bad, and I do think Tutuu is scummy, but my confidence on this being mech-supported is shaky now. Radishes DID lie. That's objectively true. But townies lie all the time (fuck you tim). His response, to me, is scummy, but also understandable if Radishes is town, thinks I'm town and that we were vibing, and now suddenly I'm overly certain he's a catch.

So I don't know where to go from here. I mean, I might still be right, but not in a "lel just trust me, guys" way.

[Kylemii]

this is kind of where we're at rn, i'm just sorta entertaining possibilities

[Master Radishes]

Oh god a book to read.

[Kylemii]

syn's initial point is no longer valid, but i wanted to look through your posts to see if they'd match how a wolf would act or talk knowing the maifa knows that your tetrising would have been from a civ role

[Master Radishes]

Lmao that god damn Tetris thing.

My PM was 1 hour 20 mins late. That's why I said I lost. I never saw the need to correct because I was busy defending Tutuu who it also, turns out, is not mechanically implicated.

Jfc.

[Master Radishes]

I obviously can't screenshot the host PM as proof of that, but considering the delayed reveal of the Falc death...

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yeah I believe it and have no concerns

[TonyStarkPrime]

I also think MR’s posts appear to reflect reality

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wolf mr obviously wouldn’t claim to lose if he knew there was a town member in the game who could contradict him

[Master Radishes]

Spoiler: show

NIGHT 3 DREAM ON

Dodo was so distracted from realizing she was out of nutella and Jack (the unchoppable), that she forgot to mention something she dreamed...

True story, when she woke up today she was in a pile of sweat, dreaming of dead birds all over her garden. Large birds, like falcons, hawks and eagles. (dont fact check me on how large these birds are ok)

Creepy stuff, man.

What did the birds ever do to you?

Spoiler: show

falcon45ca was Ziggy Stardust, Town.

Driven by excess and fueled by sex, drugs, and rock and roll, each Night (including Day 0), you will choose someone to be a member of your backup band, The Spiders from Mars. If at any point there are no living Spiders from Mars, you will spiral out of control and die.

It is still Day 4. The poll closes February 24st, 2021 at 6pm EST.

1 hour and 40 mins late. Read the flavour of it too.

[TonyStarkPrime]

So who’s left

[Kylemii]

Wolf mr obviously wouldn’t claim to lose if he knew there was a town member in the game who could contradict him

this is a really good point

[Syn]

Wolf mr obviously wouldn’t claim to lose if he knew there was a town member in the game who could contradict him

this is a really good point

not unless the town member contradicts by outing and MR goes "there's the scum backup"

which maybe is a stretch

[Master Radishes]

I feel this round is actually one big clusterfuck of townies doing their damndest to throw a winning game.

Wolves are probably mainly in the wilgy/tsp sorta tier of presence, maybe like a ted or HK or someone, and we're gonna do what Syndicate always does and screw this up after a good start.

(Due to mech. As ever.)

Oh look I was god damned right about this.

We've now wasted over half a phase chasing mechanical ghosts.

This is why we share information and then use it supplement reads rather than inform them.

Why do I have to be the teacher in my personal life too?

[Kylemii]

Wolf mr obviously wouldn’t claim to lose if he knew there was a town member in the game who could contradict him

this is a really good point

well... wait. wolf MR could still think he lost because of a delayed PM. so not a slam dunk point.

but at least it's clear it's not a lie.

idk i think i trust this

[Master Radishes]

Just keep stretching that WIFOM to make the narrative fit, guys. That's it.

[Master Radishes]

Now go back and look for people who avoided taking a hard stance on Syn's 'red check' on me.

Hyena springs to mind.

[Kylemii]

i have n0 mafia peek on kylemii im a n0 cop if i choose to out it i die at eod i sacrifice myself for the greater good vote kylemii he's outed mafia

[Alison]

dizzy and syn are good picks. I don't want nutella - she seems to be the town leader, and I want my bargains to go on people that the mafia will ignore and not nightkill (which I thought falcon was but apparently not). it's a win win for you, if you have to make the mafia decide between killing the loud town leader and killing the person with the PR. plus the way they use the PR can clear or implicate someone you were uncertain about.

also pick a power to give.

Let's say Dizzy, Syn and Michelle then. Role thieving.

Already gave out role thief, pick another.

[Dizzy, Syn, Michelle] is a fine pool. Not putting in 112 or Made because I see they've been perpetually wagoned and I don't want them to die if they're my contractee.

[Michelle]

i have n0 mafia peek on kylemii im a n0 cop if i choose to out it i die at eod i sacrifice myself for the greater good vote kylemii he's outed mafia

That was very early in the game and no one took it as serious.
Tutuu still need to be solved as slot, there are too many wifomy things

[Made]

dizzy and syn are good picks. I don't want nutella - she seems to be the town leader, and I want my bargains to go on people that the mafia will ignore and not nightkill (which I thought falcon was but apparently not). it's a win win for you, if you have to make the mafia decide between killing the loud town leader and killing the person with the PR. plus the way they use the PR can clear or implicate someone you were uncertain about.

also pick a power to give.

Let's say Dizzy, Syn and Michelle then. Role thieving.

Already gave out role thief, pick another.

[Dizzy, Syn, Michelle] is a fine pool. Not putting in 112 or Made because I see they've been perpetually wagoned and I don't want them to die if they're my contractee.

I was wagoned once day 2, but okay <_<