Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Epignosis]

The fact that Mr. "My vote is worth two and that's my only power" is sitting here right now, stilted, is evidence of his guilt.

[Epignosis]

Enrique
Alison
Scirrus

Bad.

[Enrique]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I just feel it more. Feels like a "fuck mechanics" scenario frankly. If I'm wrong whatever.

[28]

I agree that feels say Alison, mechanics say Scirrus. I don't know that I trust the former more.

You don't seem to be willing in this situation to demonstrate your role power that you claimed.

So... you think I should vote for Scirrus?

Vote where you want. Why are you asking me? Who is bad?

Earlier you asked me why I thought I would lose. It's because I think I'm destined to be lynch whatever happens. If I'm blocked and there's no kill, it's because I couldn't send it. If I'm blocked and there is a kill, I just delegated it to my teammate. I don't know which (if either) of Scirrus and Alison is bad, but I've seen the thread (and both of them) try to tie me to the other so I'm not super motivated either way.

I'll vote for one of them. Haven't decided which yet (and I'll tell you right now it's not for survival, it's not distancing).

[KZA]

We could test Enrique's ability and clear him actually

[KZA]

If Epi and I are both here until EoD we can arrange the wagons in such a way that Enrique ties it at 4 but a chop would still occur if Enrique is telling the truth since his vote is worth 2 and it would become 5-4

[Enrique]

Out of the two I would prefer to vote for Alison but that wouldn't prove anything. So unless people want to move votes around, idk how you wanna do it.

[Enrique]

If Epi and I are both here until EoD we can arrange the wagons in such a way that Enrique ties it at 4 but a chop would still occur if Enrique is telling the truth since his vote is worth 2 and it would become 5-4

If you're willing I'm good.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[KZA]

Okay I have moved back to Scirrus. If Enrique is real then Alison will die.

@Epignosis any concerns?

[fingersplints]

Okay I have moved back to Scirrus. If Enrique is real then Alison will die.

@Epignosis any concerns?

I’m not Epi, but yes. If he is lying then there will be no Lynch and we wasted a day

[Enrique]

Okay I have moved back to Scirrus. If Enrique is real then Alison will die.

@Epignosis any concerns?

I’m not Epi, but yes. If he is lying then there will be no Lynch and we wasted a day

The other way to prove my role would be to *actually* make a no-lynch by using my extra vote to tie it. See what I mean? There's no winning.

[KZA]

Okay I have moved back to Scirrus. If Enrique is real then Alison will die.

@Epignosis any concerns?

I’m not Epi, but yes. If he is lying then there will be no Lynch and we wasted a day

That's fair but Enrique would also be outed Mafia

Currently at 9 so waste a day = 1 night kill

Down to 8, chop Enrique and 1 more nigh kill = 6 players left with 2? mafia

Solvable

[fingersplints]

Enrique
Alison
Scirrus

Bad.

If you think all three are bad, keep in mind I blocked scirrus last night, so I can’t again tonight. The other two I can

[Enrique]

Okay I have moved back to Scirrus. If Enrique is real then Alison will die.

@Epignosis any concerns?

I’m not Epi, but yes. If he is lying then there will be no Lynch and we wasted a day

The other way to prove my role would be to *actually* make a no-lynch by using my extra vote to tie it. See what I mean? There's no winning.

To be clear: I'm not considering this option at all. I'm not gonna tie it.

[KZA]

I feel like the odds of Enrique being some double vote Mafia are also very low in this setup but it's still a thought I should share if anyone seriously disagrees

[Enrique]

I feel like the odds of Enrique being some double vote Mafia are also very low in this setup but it's still a thought I should share if anyone seriously disagrees

I wasn't expecting anything else anyway.

[KZA]

Well I guess I'm committed to this play, let's hope for the best

[G-Man]

Of Privity and Proxy

Jacob Ferraro sprinted into the township building. He had to warn everyone that his colleagues, after extensive research into the obscure curiosity, had found no legal standing for the Lenker brothers' eviction clause. One such clause had been executed once in another state, but it was overruled in state superior court and never appealed. Piano Estates was standing on litigious quicksand. If only he could stop them before seeing through another vote.

But alas- by the time he made it into the meeting room, the Phase 1 and Phase 3 cliques were shouting back and forth over the matter of a decisive proxy vote. One side thought it was utter bullshit, while the other was content to defend it. After all, it benefitted their side this time.

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Alison has been evicted. She was:

LUCA FONTANA, a civvie. You were recently forced into retirement from the police force for a few too many instances of bad paperwork. You're sure of your instincts, even if they aren't the best. Each night you can check one player of your choice to see if they are mafia. You have a 50% chance of the result being correct.

It is now Night 3.

Day 4 will begin at approximately 9:00 p.m. EST tomorrow.

Please send in your role PMs in a timely manner.

[KZA]

Well I cleared Enrique but now I have to consider Epi and JJJ

[KZA]

KZA you had exactly 20 posts first phase you were in

^note to self for counting

[KZA]

Sorry Alison

Try not to get dejected everyone at the very least we solved 2 contentious slots there

[KZA]

I'm willing to claim my role for full transparency unless someone points out a good reason for me not to do so. I'll wait a bit of course.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Whatever.

I don’t think anyone’s clear. Doublevoter still fits on a mafia team of two. So does a vig.

I am not in the mood for this right now and will play later.

[fingersplints]

I agree with JJJ. All this does is prove the role but not the alignment.

This is very frustrating

[Grogu]

Why did we vote Alison over scirus? Are ya fucking drunk?

[Grogu]

Bs

[Grogu]

She checked Enrique. I’m willing to vote out Enrique and scirrus
Both need to go

[JaggedJimmyJay]

She checked Enrique. I’m willing to vote out Enrique and scirrus
Both need to go

Her checks were worthless, but I am leaning toward these two as a mafia pair and the whole team, with Poison as an alternate.

I will largely defer to people I trust here. My reads on this game have been bad, and I don’t know that I’m going to reorient effectively before it’s over. 30 posts per phase just doesn’t work for my solving methods (no diss to G-Man; I ran a racket at 25). I don’t know how to play in this environment.

[Enrique]

I’m as lost as everybody else, but I’m a civ. If the mafia kills tonight, lynch me and we lose. I don’t know if it’s Scirrus or the inactive players or any of you fuckers, I’m at the point where I don’t have anybody cleared, but the town’s going down so easy in this game and it’d suck shit to not get at least one scum yeeted.

I’ve owed this game a deeper reevaluation for several days now. You may have noticed that I usually have a lot more time to post at night than I do during the day... tonight I’ll be busy though so I’ll make an effort to get started soon.

[Enrique]

we lose assuming there’s 3 mafiosos*, but our odds aren’t great even if it’s 2

[Enrique]

She checked Enrique. I’m willing to vote out Enrique and scirrus
Both need to go

If you don’t get why the check was worthless: I would have 50% chance of showing up as civ or mafia.... regardless of my real alignment... it made 0 difference.

[Scirrus]

Well I cleared Enrique but now I have to consider Epi and JJJ

Did you expect him to be lying about his role if he is mafia here? I don't see why he would considering the tie was between townies. He has no need to lie if he's scum.

I could only see him lying about his role is if I am scum with him. Telling the truth makes Enrique look terrible with the Alison flip and I don't know why he would do that lol.

And this isnt the case because I'm town anyway so

[Scirrus]

JJJ has been progressively meh as the game has gone on.

[Scirrus]

I dont think its epi or fingersplints. This might be a dumb reason but I believe Epi when he says he wouldnt be abstaining from kills.

Fingerprints still just seems towny. I dont see her faking the blocks.

[Scirrus]

i dont think grogu really seems aware enough of whats going on to be mafia

[Scirrus]

like aware of peoples roles that theyve claimed and how it proves or disproves certain things

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Everyone has been meh in this game.

I’m town. If it’s neither blocked player then it’s probably inactive players. That will now be impossible to interpret with KZA here so pretty much screw it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i dont think grogu really seems aware enough of whats going on to be mafia

Absolutely not giving him that. He lived on it as mafia on purpose in Spiderverse.

[Scirrus]

i dont think grogu really seems aware enough of whats going on to be mafia

Absolutely not giving him that. He lived on it as mafia on purpose in Spiderverse.

ugh

if we cant clear anyone then town's grave is already sealed

[Scirrus]

i thought 30 posts per phase would be right up my alley but its clearly its not

i guess proper mafia just requires more of a time commitment then I'm willing to give

[Enrique]

Well I cleared Enrique but now I have to consider Epi and JJJ

Did you expect him to be lying about his role if he is mafia here? I don't see why he would considering the tie was between townies. He has no need to lie if he's scum.

I could only see him lying about his role is if I am scum with him. Telling the truth makes Enrique look terrible with the Alison flip and I don't know why he would do that lol.

And this isnt the case because I'm town anyway so

So what option exactly *wouldn't* have looked terrible?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Frankly it feels pointless to hunt right now. Someone will be blocked in the night phase, we will or we won't interpret that block because someone will or won't die, and this long exercise in shrugging will continue.

I don't mean to further deflate morale. If someone has an idea for how to go about figure the game out I am all ears. Otherwise I'm left with completely guessing between "was someone blocked or did someone fail to submit kills?" On a behavioral basis, my top suspects are dead already.

[Scirrus]

Well I cleared Enrique but now I have to consider Epi and JJJ

Did you expect him to be lying about his role if he is mafia here? I don't see why he would considering the tie was between townies. He has no need to lie if he's scum.

I could only see him lying about his role is if I am scum with him. Telling the truth makes Enrique look terrible with the Alison flip and I don't know why he would do that lol.

And this isnt the case because I'm town anyway so

So what option exactly *wouldn't* have looked terrible?

In the event that we're both mafia? Lmao you know thats not the case

claiming something that would have made you looked better. Mafia have the benefit of lying to give themselves an advantage in a closed setup like this.

I am trusting town's claims to be legit. I assume mafia is too. My early claim of 1x vig clearly didnt help me bc i got blocked later and all I could really say is

"srry im vanilla now"

It doesnt do much to inspire confidence

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If the mafia kills tonight, lynch me and we lose.

Please expand.

[Scirrus]

Frankly it feels pointless to hunt right now. Someone will be blocked in the night phase, we will or we won't interpret that block because someone will or won't die, and this long exercise in shrugging will continue.

I don't mean to further deflate morale. If someone has an idea for how to go about figure the game out I am all ears. Otherwise I'm left with completely guessing between "was someone blocked or did someone fail to submit kills?" On a behavioral basis, my top suspects are dead already.

Why not use this opportunity to push people now? Its available to you. It might not result in much but *something* could come from it, you never know

[Scirrus]

i know im being a hypocrite bc i have been having an exceptionally hard time pushing people this game

Not sure its bc i feel like a fish out of water or bc of the time restraints but yeah

apologies for postgame

[Scirrus]

Well I cleared Enrique but now I have to consider Epi and JJJ

are you scum with Enrique

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why not.

@Poison what are your thoughts on, well, anything? You vanished.

@Scirrus would you agree that your play fettered off significantly after a strong Day 1, and if so why did that happen? Separately, can you envision any version of this game with a civilian Enrique?

@Enrique can you envision any version of this game with a civilian Scirrus?

@fingersplints why did you choose the block targets that you chose?

@Grogu you complained about me including you in a process of elimination pool yesterday? Why the hell shouldn't I?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@KZA you've placed me in some kind of semi-town-whatever space among your reads with my Nanook suspicion as cause for doubt.

Fine.

What are the causes for trust? Why am I a civilian at all?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My read on Epignosis is somewhat emotion-driven, and I welcome counterarguments from anyone who deems it appropriate:

I doubt Night 1 and then Day 2 progress the way they do from him if he is a mafioso. Specifically, raising hell about his damned role claim before admitting he misunderstood the game and apologizing for being a butt -- I don't tend to associate that kind of maneuver with him in his mafia body. I get the feeling he'd think it'd be bush league to pull that.

[KZA]

Well I cleared Enrique but now I have to consider Epi and JJJ

are you scum with Enrique

Nah I'm one of those roles that can one shot cancel the elimination