Bee Mafia [GAME OVER]

[c4e5g3d5]

also quin, but that was just throwing mud to get him to notice me, rather than for the regular reasons

Actually I think this is slightly townie because I think wolf Kyle might try to sell me on the idea that his read on Quin is real whereas town Kyle is more likely to be laidback and "yeah, I'll just hang out with Quin and figure 'em out later".

Sheeping

[c4e5g3d5]

If you're trying to argue that I'm scum because I'm playing differently from Spank! then you're completely outed. Also if you're desperate enough to try 1v1ing me on page 6 then it means I'm probably right about your team.

I'm arguing that you're scum because you aren't townhunting and you are batting 0. If you want a thunderdome, we can have it out. If you win, everyone gets to see how wrong you are... so you lose.

I've called bunch of people (LC, c4, fingersplints) town and have openly said that I do not believe nook/Esooa is scum with you two (which means I don't suspect them right now).

You seem to be suspiciously confident that I'm batting 0 when I've expressed scumreads on 3 people and if you're town you should only know the alignments of one of them. Hell, you seem to believe that I'm batting 0 even though one of the people I'm wolfreading is BK, your top scumread until now.

You're lying through your teeth and faking this bravado about the thunderdome.

And why can't townies exaggerate and want fake bravado? Townies want to be townread too. None of Seanzie's attacks that I've read so far can't be explained by tilted townie.

[c4e5g3d5]

Valiant attempt to bait me into a thunderdome to try to gum up the thread with page after page of gish gallops nobody will read. I especially appreciated the part where he accuses me of not reading because he thinks I can be provoked.

My ISO isn't long. The answers are all in there. You can continue banging this drum as long as you want, but everyone in the thread knows you're a wolf.

Does this mean it's over?

[c4e5g3d5]

Also perspective slip on the incorrect read argument because it only applies if the person in question is town and trying to measure accuracy of reads. Also attempt to dismiss any correct reads I have as "just luck" after hyping up my scumreading ability and using it as an integral part of the case against me in his original post.

The case against this guy just keeps piling higher and higher.

Guess not

[fingersplints]

I’m rereading some of the thread now, but focusing on the Falcon suspicion as the vote is tied there currently.

Does anyone care to reiterate the case there?

I copied Long Con's test answers

Well I just finished rereading all three of you who voted there, and I’m not sure it sits well with me.

I find LC’s reasoning kinda weak and flimsy, but not too crazy for a day 1 vote. So I don’t think my problem sits with LC’s vote, but with having two others follow it for little reason. The suspicion can easily be deflected back to LC for “starting” the case, and then you have the whole Alison/seanzie drama. Idk just seems an easy situation for mafia to hide in.

Especially since earlier when I asked about LC’s current game style and got this:

Definitely an accurate description. No one has ever voted a player off a case I have made. You will not find one instance of it. Most of the cases and suspicions Icome up with are wrong, so it's a good system. My only Mafia skills are in somehow spewing myself town, and in deep evil plots to win games. Also, excellent 3p player.

But now we got two immediately following him after he says no one does.

[Ratrug]

seanzie is right that many of alison's reads are reliant on her read on him, which is an unusual amount of confidence for of a day 1 read. if alison is mafia and seanzie town, alison benefits from this by putting in work that ends up not mattering nor pushing the game forward, needing to be redone.

seanzie's point's about alison possibly lucking into a correct scumread on the people she's connected him to due to her read on him, seems inconsistent with the idea that seanzie also suspects alison

I agree with this, her scum read on me is relying on BK AND Seanzie being scum. That’s an awful lot of assumption to be made on day 1. I haven’t read BK’s posts but Seanzie’s defense I have liked as well. So congrats, on being my first two town reads

[ts account]

Especially since earlier when I asked about LC’s current game style and got this:

Definitely an accurate description. No one has ever voted a player off a case I have made. You will not find one instance of it. Most of the cases and suspicions Icome up with are wrong, so it's a good system. My only Mafia skills are in somehow spewing myself town, and in deep evil plots to win games. Also, excellent 3p player.

But now we got two immediately following him after he says no one does.

so my goal is to get some traction away from seanzie/alison which I don't wish to pursue today. I haven't read even half the thread so making my own case is out of the question. It was simply a case of seeing who voted who and following the one that looked the best

also that long con quote is hilariously ironic (no I hadn't read it yet)

[c4e5g3d5]

It's not. Seanzie isn't a tunnelly enough player to suicide bomb on page 8. It's just bravado.

You familiar with Seanzie? Tell me more.

[fingersplints]

[VOTE: vote ts account] aubergine

My vote is subject to change, but I’m going to place one on ts account for now. Because out of the two “sheeped” votes it seems less well thought out, and Martin us the added helpfulness of providing a gth reads as well

[fingersplints]

Especially since earlier when I asked about LC’s current game style and got this:

Definitely an accurate description. No one has ever voted a player off a case I have made. You will not find one instance of it. Most of the cases and suspicions Icome up with are wrong, so it's a good system. My only Mafia skills are in somehow spewing myself town, and in deep evil plots to win games. Also, excellent 3p player.

But now we got two immediately following him after he says no one does.

so my goal is to get some traction away from seanzie/alison which I don't wish to pursue today. I haven't read even half the thread so making my own case is out of the question. It was simply a case of seeing who voted who and following the one that looked the best

also that long con quote is hilariously ironic (no I hadn't read it yet)

This response feels a bit more genuine, although my vote will stay for the time being. I hope you find some time to read the thread and help find other options because I also am thinking Alison/seanzie is not the way to go.

[c4e5g3d5]

I read the first half of c4's ISO cause that was enough to call him town so gj c4 ig

Well that was way too easy.

[fingersplints]

Does anyone know what happens if the lynch is tied? I’m scanning the host post but maybe I’m missing it. In the last game I played tie = no lynch and I think it was mentioned there that is more the norm nowadays? But I could be wrong

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Does anyone know what happens if the lynch is tied? I’m scanning the host post but maybe I’m missing it. In the last game I played tie = no lynch and I think it was mentioned there that is more the norm nowadays? But I could be wrong

Sloon usually does random death, idk for sure

[ts account]

This response feels a bit more genuine, although my vote will stay for the time being. I hope you find some time to read the thread and help find other options because I also am thinking Alison/seanzie is not the way to go.

don't get your hopes up I'm an NPC

[c4e5g3d5]

There's only 6 votes on the poll right now. This game has 14 players. I expect every player without a vote to vote as soon as they next come into thread

[VOTE: Ratrug] aubergine

[Ratrug]

How does Esooa usually play btw? Is she usually always this busy? Does she always tag people to do this and that?

[c4e5g3d5]

@Kylemii if you can vote someone in the above, that'd be cool

those names seem pretty arbitrary? why did u pick them

I scum read all them to various degrees

Lmk more about Bo when you wake up

[c4e5g3d5]

Seanzie trying to convince the rest of the town that they definitely shouldn't trust my reads even if one is proven to be right because I'm just lucky!!!!! is both caught for the wrong reasons and a pre-emptive discredit of me after I get N1ed

Seanzie trying to press me about my read on fingersplints is silly because he's already committed to suicide bombing me and should be putting work into finding my partners if he's town, not arguing a point with someone who's going to be outed with tomorrow

Seanzie is scum.

This reeeeally isn't the time for you in particualr to say "this player is scum for doing this pointless thing".

[c4e5g3d5]

do we have to lynch in alison/seanzie? Seems really stupid js

We don't.

[c4e5g3d5]

I'm not convinced that what Alison is doing today is out of her scum-range, I would have to think about it more tbh.

I don't think she's in any way scummier than seanzie though, and reading about all of this is a bit boring.

I kinda want to vote seanzie just to get this over with and not have to concern myself with it on D2. I personally think some of his actions are quite scummy but a select few of his arguments seems to ring genuinely dumb and poorly thought-out to me at a glance either due to confbias or otherwise as a result of being town. In the event of any fantasy thunder-dome though I would likely almost always vote Seanzie here and even if he flipped green I don't think that would be damning for Alison, and would require closer analysis. If he flipped red though, I would give say a 85% chance that Alison is town bc while its not impossible to hard-push teammates on D1 its generally not the first push of D1 imo and experience, much less a 1st post being an almost bare-bones vote.

I liked Long Con's earlier point about Falcon45ca, but I am slightly suspicious of TS jumping onto that wagon as a sheep. It kinda implies that he has no scum-reads but apparently had enough trust in a vote-count tell to put Seanzie in a town-core. Seems like he would vote people for weak reasons (if he was independently scum-hunting and not sheeping) just as he town-cores for weak reasons but doesn't.

[VOTE: TS Account] aubergine

I see what Alison meant by free cop check.

[Long Con]

I’m rereading some of the thread now, but focusing on the Falcon suspicion as the vote is tied there currently.

Does anyone care to reiterate the case there?

I copied Long Con's test answers

Well I just finished rereading all three of you who voted there, and I’m not sure it sits well with me.

I find LC’s reasoning kinda weak and flimsy, but not too crazy for a day 1 vote. So I don’t think my problem sits with LC’s vote, but with having two others follow it for little reason. The suspicion can easily be deflected back to LC for “starting” the case, and then you have the whole Alison/seanzie drama. Idk just seems an easy situation for mafia to hide in.

Especially since earlier when I asked about LC’s current game style and got this:

Definitely an accurate description. No one has ever voted a player off a case I have made. You will not find one instance of it. Most of the cases and suspicions Icome up with are wrong, so it's a good system. My only Mafia skills are in somehow spewing myself town, and in deep evil plots to win games. Also, excellent 3p player.

But now we got two immediately following him after he says no one does.

Day 1 doesn't count. What was my case on falcon anyway? I forget, but I guarantee it was completely flimsy.

[Long Con]

Oh yeah! There it is. More like Seanzie's case, really.

Nothing nitpicky about it. My gut says he's bad, and that phrase is what triggered that.

You don't feel that scum reading a player over their word choice is nitpicky?

I don't think it really matters if it is nitpicky or not. Are you thinking it is AI, or no?

Now you're talkin'! Lots of focus on whether or not I'm nitpicky, and little on whether or not I'm a wolf. That's scummy. [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

[fingersplints]

Well that’s the point LC. I don’t fault you for a flimsy vote day 1. What I do find strange is a couple players following a flimsy vote day 1 for no reason other than just to follow you.

Voting for someone for sheeping someone isn’t a damning case either, but again, day 1 and this is what I got

[c4e5g3d5]

People don't care because they don't believe it's AI and think I could make that read on fingersplints either way. They're also well aware that I can adequately back up my read any time I want regardless of my alignment. The people in the thread who have responded to your little soapbox generally prioritize thread health and not gumming up the thread with 10000 walls of text that won't convince anyone over random nitpicks. If you're going to talk about anti-town you should know that you're being the most anti-town person in the entire thread right now. I'm refusing to interact with what you're saying because I'm convinced that it's the best strategy, if you don't like it then too bad.

See, this is all true, except you are interacting with what he's saying.

[c4e5g3d5]

Martin and Mikey (ts account) are probably town.

Sheeping

[c4e5g3d5]

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

@BoKnows whats up

just having some coffee

[MartinGG99]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w

Mind elaborating on why you find Nanook wolfy? Or was this just because it was GTH?

Either way, I felt he was towny for this earlier:

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

I'll sheep it

mind elaborating on what's the biggest reason you're sheeping here

Yeah I think lc often has good reads that get totally overlooked due to his post volume and style

Though I mostly view it as towny in terms of I just don't see wolves being very likely to do early game sheeping with this kind of reasoning.

[c4e5g3d5]

Mostly just GtH

[BoKnows]

Kyle just floating around

He's always floating around.

I give you one chance to convince me you're not scum with Seanzie. Tell me who the other mafia is.

Just check who's in the "Scum Chat", and those people that you're looking for. Only thing is that would make them your partners...

Very awkward response. You're scum with Seanzie.

Can you explain your thought process behind the posts you made in this chain, Bo?

Kyle's floating around post was just about Kyle making joke posts and I was hoping it would incentive them to get into the convo.

My scum chat comment was my attempt of a funny comment. Sounds like I need to work on my comedy a little bit.

The confused face is indicating that I am confused on how Alison came up with those results with the confidence that she did.

[BoKnows]

Wow you guys went off last night. Got some catching up to do

[Esooa]

thanks

feeling pretty alright on Bo being town

[Esooa]

also no clue why ratrug self voted but I want to policy it

[Esooa]

for now, [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

[c4e5g3d5]

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

I don't want to reread, tell me why.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

I don't want to reread, tell me why.

You're not gonna like the answer probably

Good vibes

[c4e5g3d5]

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

I don't want to reread, tell me why.

You're not gonna like the answer probably

Good vibes

You're making yourself look like a TS user.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

I don't want to reread, tell me why.

You're not gonna like the answer probably

Good vibes

You're making yourself look like a TS user.

I'm the vibe man this game, looking for nothing but clear auras and groovy vibes, man

[BoKnows]

I'm going to read some ISOs once I'm out of class and from my PoE

[BoKnows]

form*

[BoKnows]

Why aren't ISOs in chronological order? Just read Alison's ISO backwards lol

[fingersplints]

It’s so much quieter in the day time when I’m around

[ts account]

It’s so much quieter in the day time when I’m around XD

NPC hours

[BoKnows]

My first set of ISOs are done. Going to get some more out later.

Alison - Definitely the strongest ISOs I have read thus far. After going through Alison's ISO, they're one of my strongest town leans going into N1. It made me laugh out loud reading someone describe my "scumrange". I didn't even know I had a scumrange until I read that. Overall I felt like Alison made some good reads, and some good points all around. Wasn't afraid to get out there and make some noise.

C4 - This one felt underwhelming. I definitely thought it was going to be longer. Nothing in c4's ISO really popped out to me. Seeing their posts in thread with the context makes me give c4 a slight town lean

Esooa - Only one interaction/post(s) really popped out to me in Esooa's ISO. Esooa gave a 4 person PoE and encouraged everyone to vote within that PoE. Her very next vote was out of the PoE shae gave, and told people to vote in. I'm not 100% convinced that is AI, but the lack of consistency if you will rubbed me the wrong way.

Falcon - One of the more lackluster ISOs so far. It was a short and boring ISO. It felt like Falcon was trying to play a nice safe game.

Finger - Another short ISO, but I actually liked this one. I would like to see more from Finger, I found their posts insightful and added value to the game.

So far my PoE is Falcon and Esooa

[v]Esooa[/v]

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

[Quin]

You wanna know why I'm not bothering to respond to your points? Because I don't need to defend myself against you. You're scummy and everyone knows it. You're trying to bait me into a long drawn out anti town thunderdome, but what you don't understand is that I have no reason to bite. Right now you are butt naked pants on head neon sign flashing mafia, which means I don't have to listen to a word you say, just bury you. Even if you somehow convince the town that I am mafia and get me exed I know this player list well enough to know that you're most likely a goner afterwards, and 1 for 1 with enough evidence to expose your whole team afterwards is a perfectly fine trade in my book.

Would you bet your life on me being mafia? Because I am okay with that. Flip me today, if Alison is okay being flipped tomorrow after I turn up town.

and my townread just went down the proverbial. it's day 1. nobody is going to take you up on this offer. offering to lynch yourself provides nothing of value and only serves to lure in sympathy.

[Quin]

You wanna know why I'm not bothering to respond to your points? Because I don't need to defend myself against you. You're scummy and everyone knows it. You're trying to bait me into a long drawn out anti town thunderdome, but what you don't understand is that I have no reason to bite. Right now you are butt naked pants on head neon sign flashing mafia, which means I don't have to listen to a word you say, just bury you. Even if you somehow convince the town that I am mafia and get me exed I know this player list well enough to know that you're most likely a goner afterwards, and 1 for 1 with enough evidence to expose your whole team afterwards is a perfectly fine trade in my book.

Would you bet your life on me being mafia? Because I am okay with that. Flip me today, if Alison is okay being flipped tomorrow after I turn up town.

I accept. You heard him, pile on for a free pelt. And remember every post from this point on is anti-spew.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Ngl, I will probably switch this to you before EoD if it would make a difference, but this symbolic gesture confirms that I am game for this plan.

if you're going to tell the person you intend to vote for them then just vote for them. i don't understand why people do this.

[Quin]

Seanzie SRing Alison for not doing enough while Kyle TRs her for posting is hilarious

i mean i bet part of it is that the posts i like of hers are specifically targetting seanzie

which posts are these and why?

[Quin]

Also as someone who knows Alison reasonably well I disagree with your reasons to scum read her

tell us more.