Double Elimination Mafia town win

[Kylemii]

(We need consensus with our three so we don't let the mafia break a tie like the LB let happen last night)

hm?

[Kylemii]

(We need consensus with our three so we don't let the mafia break a tie like the LB let happen last night)

hm?

[Kylemii]

hm? hmmmm?

[DrWilgy]

Counter argument. If we already have scum in LB, why give them an out by putting me in there lol

[G-Man]

Supper is cooking and I am mowing after I eat. I'm going to miss most, if not all, of the final hour of this phase. Please let's have three clear leaders in the poll. No ties.

(We need consensus with our three so we don't let the mafia break a tie like the LB let happen last night)

hm?

The rule say that the mafia gets to break ties in the poll. Night 1 there was a three-way tie for the 4th chop. The baddies got to hand-pick who lived. Let's not make the same mistake.


[VOTE: Falcon
G-man
Wilgy] aubergine

[Kylemii]

hm #1: who was the tie between? was made involved in the tie?

[G-Man]

hm #1: who was the tie between? was made involved in the tie?

See here, and the full post too:



Mac had 5 votes, Gavial and Made were tied with 4 votes. None of them could avoid death.

Three-way tie between Alison, Poison, and Tim. The mafia chose Poison to die and both Alison and Tim to live.

Aren't you paying attention to end-of-phase posts? They're kind of important.

[Kylemii]

read the results and the posts prior, why would I assume they would allow a tie? especially since it wasn't brought up until now? why was it so fresh in your mind? did you bring it up before now and I just didn't notice?

[Kylemii]

@G-Man

[Kylemii]

since you've decided to get on this particular high horse about paying attention to votes I'm not part of

[Kylemii]

sorry your horse isn't that high I'm just full of adrenaline

[G-Man]

read the results and the posts prior, why would I assume they would allow a tie? especially since it wasn't brought up until now? why was it so fresh in your mind? did you bring it up before now and I just didn't notice?

Sue me for reading the rules of the game we’re playing?

The fact that the baddies can break ties was discussed in the game thread as well. This isn’t new information. This is a known and discussed game mechanic.

[G-Man]

Sayonara gang. I’ll see two of you on the other side.

No ties!

[Kylemii]

read the results and the posts prior, why would I assume they would allow a tie? especially since it wasn't brought up until now? why was it so fresh in your mind? did you bring it up before now and I just didn't notice?

Sue me for reading the rules of the game we’re playing?

The fact that the baddies can break ties was discussed in the game thread as well. This isn’t new information. This is a known and discussed game mechanic.

yeah but the baddies who actually broke the tie would be more aware that a tie happened than the rest of us would be. especially since as far as I can tell it straight up hasn't been discussed until now.

[hollowkatt]

Swift gun-to-head exercise:

You send me to the LB with two of Kyle, Falcon, and Wilgy. Of those other three, which two are most likely the baddies?

-Falcon
-Kyle
-Wilgy


Go!

(We need consensus with our three so we don't let the mafia break a tie like the LB let happen last night)

Falcon/Wigly

[hollowkatt]

Falcon and Wilgy.

I also selfishly wanna keep kyle here. But I townread him more than the other two.

So what's your recommendation to the LB for how they handle me, Wilgy, and Falcon? Chop one, two, or all three of us?

I think we need to leave some kind of legacy advice to them.

Chop Alison/TSP/Falcon

[Kylemii]

I digress cus if you're town I'm going to look dumb for fixating on something small again, and it seems like you're going to the other bracket anyways but if gman ends up being mafia I want the meta-clout

[hollowkatt]

I digress cus if you're town I'm going to look dumb for fixating on something small again, and it seems like you're going to the other bracket anyways but if gman ends up being mafia I want the meta-clout

deal

[Kylemii]

unvote HK

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

[Kylemii]

I digress cus if you're town I'm going to look dumb for fixating on something small again, and it seems like you're going to the other bracket anyways but if gman ends up being mafia I want the meta-clout

deal

that sentence has some fucked up conjunctions going on in it

[hollowkatt]

Currently we're sending G-Man, Wigly, and Falcon to B2. I think that's acceptable. I don't think Marmot/Mogh are wolves. I'm not wolf. I don't think G-Man is a wolf.
Wigly can be a wolf but like if they are their plan must be just fluff posting the entire game long.

Falcon I think can be a wolf as well, and I don't like their ISO much at all.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: VOTE GMAN] aubergine [VOTE: VOTE MOG] aubergine

[hollowkatt]

Off to cook/eat dinner.
B2: Chop Alison/TSP/Falcon plx
@Timsup2nothin don't be woofin
@DaisyCloud I think you're town too

[hollowkatt]

Goooooooooooo Townies!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Thread locked. Change of phase annoubxement coming in about an hour. Thank you for your patience

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

G-man, falcon, and wilgy have been moved to the losers bracket!

You have until April 27, 7pm EDT, to eliminate three players. You will have three votes apiece.

PEOPLE WHO CAN POST:

@Alison
@DaisyCloud
@DrWilgy
@G-Man
@falcon45ca
@Timsup2nothin
@TonyStarkPrime

People who CANNOT post:

@hollowkatt
@Kylemii
@Marmot
@Moghedien

Current post numbers:

[Timsup2nothin]

So the four of us have our full hundred posts apiece and can just post the three newcomers into the ground.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

Not unvoting until he's dead or I am. He pushed Mac so hard yesterday and the mafia acted to save him in the tie. Winner's bracket players have terrible takes on Tim.

[Alison]

I'm inclined to use my other two votes to just flip the slankers (Wilgy/TSP) since I have good feelings to various degrees about everyone else but Tim is the only one I feel strongly about.

[DrWilgy]

Hello. This is where I belong.

[DrWilgy]

I'm inclined to use my other two votes to just flip the slankers (Wilgy/TSP) since I have good feelings to various degrees about everyone else but Tim is the only one I feel strongly about.

Preemptively going for slankers? Sweet!
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

Not unvoting until he's dead or I am. He pushed Mac so hard yesterday and the mafia acted to save him in the tie. Winner's bracket players have terrible takes on Tim.

Funny how they also acted to save you in that tie, but that isn't a subject you seem inclined to bring up.

You also don't seem inclined to bring up that you pushed Mac way harder than I did.

Why is that?

[Alison]

I'm inclined to use my other two votes to just flip the slankers (Wilgy/TSP) since I have good feelings to various degrees about everyone else but Tim is the only one I feel strongly about.

Preemptively going for slankers? Sweet!
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Towntell if you don't want to get voted.

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine too. Ily dood.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

Not unvoting until he's dead or I am. He pushed Mac so hard yesterday and the mafia acted to save him in the tie. Winner's bracket players have terrible takes on Tim.

Funny how they also acted to save you in that tie, but that isn't a subject you seem inclined to bring up.

You also don't seem inclined to bring up that you pushed Mac way harder than I did.

Why is that?

At the end of the day I offered an argument in his defense and unvoted him. That wasn't to your design so you kept pushing him anyway. The moment I dropped my Mac scumread you would have switched around on him if you were town. Instead you forced through his exe when I was asleep.

Half the game is scumreading me so I know why mafia left me alive. Why'd they leave you alive Tim?

[DrWilgy]

I'm inclined to use my other two votes to just flip the slankers (Wilgy/TSP) since I have good feelings to various degrees about everyone else but Tim is the only one I feel strongly about.

Preemptively going for slankers? Sweet!
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Towntell if you don't want to get voted.

Nah. I will say, you always do pull out the contrarian in me Alison.

[Alison]

Actually I've just realized that voting more than one person dilutes my vote so I'm going to a repeat of yesterday and only vote Tim.

[Alison]

Tim is hard outed and I've been saying it since yesterday and I pointed out that the game was way too willing to swallow the narrative that Mac and me had one scum. Nobody in the winner's bracket yesterday gave a fuck about Mac's legacy or realized that the person trying hardest to push that narrative was Tim. So now I'm thunderdoming him and never relenting.

I eagerly await Daisy's instalock vote on me because she can't understand why I am so confident.

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm inclined to use my other two votes to just flip the slankers (Wilgy/TSP) since I have good feelings to various degrees about everyone else but Tim is the only one I feel strongly about.

Preemptively going for slankers? Sweet!
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Towntell if you don't want to get voted.

I have a request Alison.

With three chops it is almost certain that this day ends with you in the ground. If you are town a legacy of just OMGUSing everyone who votes you is not going to be any help for solving the game, because there is a very good chance, IMO, that literally every player is going to vote you here. For valid reasons.

So if you are town please just drop the "voting me, not honoring my reads, outed wolf" bit and be useful.

[Alison]

I'm inclined to use my other two votes to just flip the slankers (Wilgy/TSP) since I have good feelings to various degrees about everyone else but Tim is the only one I feel strongly about.

Preemptively going for slankers? Sweet!
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Towntell if you don't want to get voted.

I have a request Alison.

With three chops it is almost certain that this day ends with you in the ground. If you are town a legacy of just OMGUSing everyone who votes you is not going to be any help for solving the game, because there is a very good chance, IMO, that literally every player is going to vote you here. For valid reasons.

So if you are town please just drop the "voting me, not honoring my reads, outed wolf" bit and be useful.

Here's a legacy for you.

EXECUTE TIM

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

Not unvoting until he's dead or I am. He pushed Mac so hard yesterday and the mafia acted to save him in the tie. Winner's bracket players have terrible takes on Tim.

Funny how they also acted to save you in that tie, but that isn't a subject you seem inclined to bring up.

You also don't seem inclined to bring up that you pushed Mac way harder than I did.

Why is that?

At the end of the day I offered an argument in his defense and unvoted him. That wasn't to your design so you kept pushing him anyway. The moment I dropped my Mac scumread you would have switched around on him if you were town. Instead you forced through his exe when I was asleep.

Half the game is scumreading me so I know why mafia left me alive. Why'd they leave you alive Tim?

If you are town they left us both alive to kill each other. If you are a wolf you left me alive because flipping me town would have left you without any leg to even try to stand on today.

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm inclined to use my other two votes to just flip the slankers (Wilgy/TSP) since I have good feelings to various degrees about everyone else but Tim is the only one I feel strongly about.

Preemptively going for slankers? Sweet!
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Towntell if you don't want to get voted.

I have a request Alison.

With three chops it is almost certain that this day ends with you in the ground. If you are town a legacy of just OMGUSing everyone who votes you is not going to be any help for solving the game, because there is a very good chance, IMO, that literally every player is going to vote you here. For valid reasons.

So if you are town please just drop the "voting me, not honoring my reads, outed wolf" bit and be useful.

Here's a legacy for you.

EXECUTE TIM

When you die at the end of the day if you flip town I will certainly never make it to end game and I'm fine with that...but if you are gonna flip town you should be EXTREMELY interested in taking a wolf with you. If you are right about me or not is irrelevant for now...pick someone else to go with you...I will do my best to send them along.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

Not unvoting until he's dead or I am. He pushed Mac so hard yesterday and the mafia acted to save him in the tie. Winner's bracket players have terrible takes on Tim.

Funny how they also acted to save you in that tie, but that isn't a subject you seem inclined to bring up.

You also don't seem inclined to bring up that you pushed Mac way harder than I did.

Why is that?

At the end of the day I offered an argument in his defense and unvoted him. That wasn't to your design so you kept pushing him anyway. The moment I dropped my Mac scumread you would have switched around on him if you were town. Instead you forced through his exe when I was asleep.

Half the game is scumreading me so I know why mafia left me alive. Why'd they leave you alive Tim?

If you are town they left us both alive to kill each other. If you are a wolf you left me alive because flipping me town would have left you without any leg to even try to stand on today.

But what if you're Maf, what would've happened then? Would it have been any different than what actually did happen?

[Alison]

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

Not unvoting until he's dead or I am. He pushed Mac so hard yesterday and the mafia acted to save him in the tie. Winner's bracket players have terrible takes on Tim.

Funny how they also acted to save you in that tie, but that isn't a subject you seem inclined to bring up.

You also don't seem inclined to bring up that you pushed Mac way harder than I did.

Why is that?

At the end of the day I offered an argument in his defense and unvoted him. That wasn't to your design so you kept pushing him anyway. The moment I dropped my Mac scumread you would have switched around on him if you were town. Instead you forced through his exe when I was asleep.

Half the game is scumreading me so I know why mafia left me alive. Why'd they leave you alive Tim?

If you are town they left us both alive to kill each other. If you are a wolf you left me alive because flipping me town would have left you without any leg to even try to stand on today.

If you are town the wolves just off you, disguise it as an SPK and let me be buried for casing you. That did not happen therefore you are mafia.

As far as I can tell hollowkatt has made nothing but anti-town pushes so either he's scum or hard scumsiding. Exe him after Tim.

Kyle/Marmot are coinflips tbh.

Wilgy/TSP are like slanker/filler slots, if the leads dry up then poke into there I guess but Tim and to a lesser extent HK need to be flipped right now.

[Alison]

When you die at the end of the day if you flip town I will certainly never make it to end game and I'm fine with that...but if you are gonna flip town you should be EXTREMELY interested in taking a wolf with you. If you are right about me or not is irrelevant for now...pick someone else to go with you...I will do my best to send them along.

I think it's extremely clear that I think you're a wolf and I'm trying to take you with me.

Hollowkatt is my next in line if you want to know that. Tentatively I'd say the stuff about being pocketed by Marmot signals that Marmot is town being pocketed by wolf HK (and intentionally placed in the same category as Tim to imply they're both town together) because I struggle to believe that HK is swayed that hard by a simple mind meld.

[Alison]

I perceive the following people to be town:

DaisyCloud
Falcon
G-Man
Moghedien

If someone in this four is wrong it's probably Falcon since my read on him is the thinnest/least justified.

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

Not unvoting until he's dead or I am. He pushed Mac so hard yesterday and the mafia acted to save him in the tie. Winner's bracket players have terrible takes on Tim.

Funny how they also acted to save you in that tie, but that isn't a subject you seem inclined to bring up.

You also don't seem inclined to bring up that you pushed Mac way harder than I did.

Why is that?

At the end of the day I offered an argument in his defense and unvoted him. That wasn't to your design so you kept pushing him anyway. The moment I dropped my Mac scumread you would have switched around on him if you were town. Instead you forced through his exe when I was asleep.

Half the game is scumreading me so I know why mafia left me alive. Why'd they leave you alive Tim?

If you are town they left us both alive to kill each other. If you are a wolf you left me alive because flipping me town would have left you without any leg to even try to stand on today.

But what if you're Maf, what would've happened then? Would it have been any different than what actually did happen?

Nope. The exact same argument holds if either Alison or I are woofin'...as always, neither of us can be trusted on anything but production of pelts. I think iget a little credit for Made, and Alison gets none. So I think Alison goes in today's batch and unless I am doing better than "a little credit for Made's pelt" then I have to go tomorrow. This is just the way things work out for people with high end wolf reps.

[Alison]

Send Mac to loser's because Alison said he's scum. Alison talks to Mac in loser's, determines he is no longer scum, unvotes him. Exe Mac anyway. Makes no sense.

Made wanted Mac dead more than anyone else. Mac is the only vote Made had. Conclusion: Mac being dead was scum agenda.

Tim hard pushed Mac. Conclusion: Tim is scum.

Everyone else on that wagon apart from Daisy is dead. If Made is the only wolf in loser's bracket and just wanted to fling shit at a wrongly suspected townie he would probably vote more than one person. Everything - especially the part where people don't change their reads after I change mine - suggest that they really wanted to bury Mac into the ground. It's a classic Tim play as scum, try to get strong players eliminated early so he can dominate the game.

[Alison]

Nope. The exact same argument holds if either Alison or I are woofin'...as always, neither of us can be trusted on anything but production of pelts. I think iget a little credit for Made, and Alison gets none. So I think Alison goes in today's batch and unless I am doing better than "a little credit for Made's pelt" then I have to go tomorrow. This is just the way things work out for people with high end wolf reps.

Yeah except all that credit vanishes because you nakedly pushed obvious villagers like Mac and Gavial.

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

Not unvoting until he's dead or I am. He pushed Mac so hard yesterday and the mafia acted to save him in the tie. Winner's bracket players have terrible takes on Tim.

Funny how they also acted to save you in that tie, but that isn't a subject you seem inclined to bring up.

You also don't seem inclined to bring up that you pushed Mac way harder than I did.

Why is that?

At the end of the day I offered an argument in his defense and unvoted him. That wasn't to your design so you kept pushing him anyway. The moment I dropped my Mac scumread you would have switched around on him if you were town. Instead you forced through his exe when I was asleep.

Half the game is scumreading me so I know why mafia left me alive. Why'd they leave you alive Tim?

If you are town they left us both alive to kill each other. If you are a wolf you left me alive because flipping me town would have left you without any leg to even try to stand on today.

If you are town the wolves just off you, disguise it as an SPK and let me be buried for casing you. That did not happen therefore you are mafia.

As far as I can tell hollowkatt has made nothing but anti-town pushes so either he's scum or hard scumsiding. Exe him after Tim.

Kyle/Marmot are coinflips tbh.

Wilgy/TSP are like slanker/filler slots, if the leads dry up then poke into there I guess but Tim and to a lesser extent HK need to be flipped right now.

This is an example of why I just can't see you as town this game. You aren't adapting at all to the setup and looking for the optimum plays.

We are chopping three people today, from the seven in the lower bracket. Your conversation is all about your tunnel (me) and people in the upper bracket. Otherwise, on people who actually can get chopped here you give practically nothing.