Double Elimination Mafia town win

[Kylemii]

i could not have been any more clear about not having read or iso'd your posts yet but for the record anyone would bus made because made is the type of person to suggest that he be bussed

[DaisyCloud]

we can not under any circumstances allow toes to occur.

we have to utilize all our votes.


@G-Man what were the stats on voting like how many each used and on who?

ex. Alison nite1 used x amount of votes& on who , nite2 used x amount of votes & on who?


or am I very dumb and your list of stats did that?

[DaisyCloud]

i could not have been any more clear about not having read or iso'd your posts yet but for the record anyone would bus made because made is the type of person to suggest that he be bussed

those are just words and I can just put words down too. see im making sentences. oh, look here is one more.

[DaisyCloud]

we can not under any circumstances allow toes to occur.

we have to utilize all our votes.


@G-Man what were the stats on voting like how many each used and on who?

ex. Alison nite1 used x amount of votes& on who , nite2 used x amount of votes & on who?


or am I very dumb and your list of stats did that?

ties not toes





iirc a bunch of us down here have not used all our votes. I just don't remember who all they were.

[Kylemii]

i could not have been any more clear about not having read or iso'd your posts yet but for the record anyone would bus made because made is the type of person to suggest that he be bussed

those are just words and I can just put words down too. see im making sentences. oh, look here is one more.

what are you even talking about? please don't waste my time or my posts i only get like 24 more. if you have something to say please just say it directly instead of being weird and cryptic.

what is your purpose with this post? what's the implication supposed to be?

is there something about the way you approached made that you think goes above and beyond the scope of bussing?

[DaisyCloud]

i could not have been any more clear about not having read or iso'd your posts yet but for the record anyone would bus made because made is the type of person to suggest that he be bussed

those are just words and I can just put words down too. see im making sentences. oh, look here is one more.

what are you even talking about? please don't waste my time or my posts i only get like 24 more. if you have something to say please just say it directly instead of being weird and cryptic.

what is your purpose with this post? what's the implication supposed to be?

is there something about the way you approached made that you think goes above and beyond the scope of bussing?

yeah you're right. you are purposefully forgetting an important thing. i don't buss. im not mafia.

there was more.


I need tim or g-man to scum read me or my brain can't function.

because

that's how I found Made. Alison scum reading me so I comb the game looking for anyone and anything sus to prove her wrong.

I don't need you sussing me because it won't have the same impact to my small brain.

did you read mog? what did you look into? do you really think mog and Marmot r in bracket1 just towning it up?
what is your thoughts on mog?

if you are town and I am town then that leaves hk, g-man, tim, Tony

TonyStarkPrime is what to you?

do u think Alison found tim?

you been quiet kyle. why is that kyle?

do you even know who Gavial is? I mentioned him now because have you looked at legacy posts?

how many posts of your 24 r u gonna use kyle? will we see walls kyle?

if you don't know me, haven't read my iso, paid 0 attention to me Kylemii then why u sus me? should I not be null for u?

I swear we played together in other games. if you know anything about me you know I never bus. I have had teammates bus me but I don't bus.

I'm not ranting Kylemii. I wasn't trying to be weird and cryptic. it was like u hit me with a 2x4. as if I would buss.

[DaisyCloud]

mog are you under the impression that other people scum read me? do you personally scum read me?

What is this post?

It's not an impression. People are scum reading you. You have been requested by name for the Losers Bracket, and it's not to make use of your excellent scumhunting skills.

Yes I'm scum reading you; I said exactly that in the post you quoted.

this is the weirdest thing I have ever seen. you scum read Kyle. i swear I read earlier that you town read him. or was it null.

[DaisyCloud]

@Moghedien don't post to reply i don't want you mked.

[Kylemii]

Daisy: tonally i think she looks fine, unless i'm missing something i don't see any particularly strong contribution to taking down made. they did the "i see myself voting for ___ or ___" thing with mac and made which is a classic bus script, especially when followed by a 'i don't really know about made i haven't looked into their iso yet' followed by not seemingly looking into or commenting about a made iso. i dislike that they painted their contribution to made's death as being strong because it doesn't seem that way to me, and it doesn't seem outside of the range of bussing by a longshot. so "do you really think i bussed Made?" seems disingenuous. i don't see the post where they voted for made so it's possible the iso is fucked up and i'm not seeing some posts? on the flip side, many of their posts seem.... off the cuff in a way that seems genuine, in a way that's more difficult to fake as wolf. question for/about daisy that anyone can answer, what is daisy's experience level? has she been around a lot and played a lot of games on other sites?

Gman: i thought and i still think that a lot of G-man's early contributions (day 1) were sort of.... easy to without really ruffling feathers, i.e. the +,- list. there is a sort of formulaic diligence to the way G-man has moved through this game. like he's doing what he's supposed to do when he's supposed to do it. but he's also.... seems very thorough. if gman is mafia he's doing a good job of creating work work for himself and then doing the work. it's tough to actually place his intentions without the opportunity for involvement in the made vote. if he's mafia i wouldn't be annoyed losing to him. well actually i'd be a little annoyed.

HK: first town-look moment for HK was when he demanded to be sent to the shadow realm to deal with TSP and Tim respectively, and he has pretty much done exactly that since getting here. gth i think town. his mental processes are clearly on display in his posts, and it's easy to see where they're coming from and where they went.

Tim: i really shouldn't have saved tim for last i wish to sleep. ugh. my brain is dead and his words are just sort of floating together and i'm not catching any of it. there are a LOT of words i need to be awake for vaccine tomorrow so i think i'm going to save tim legacy for tomorrow.

Tsp: side note this is a nightmare people have to start tagging their votes. if true, i think tony's defense that made and himself voting different people would have kept them both out of the LB is valid, assuming his goal was to stay out of the LB. made seemingly wanted to be in the LB. i don' t know if tony did. there's not particularly a lot of meat on these bones. casual posts which move things forward

marmot: marmot irked my buttons by town reading me and has been in general high spirits, which is cool and good but it makes me nervous, like marmot is a cool guy and funny and i KNOW he's good at pocketing me and i KNOW he's very well capable of it and i guess i'm somewhat paranoid of the same thing happening here because of what mostly NANOOK and a little bit I, did in stardew valley. marmot is a prankster supreme and posting stuff like "this time i'm a wolf" when i jokingly ask him if he's mafia is exactly the kind of thing he'd do. i know this just sounds like the ramblings of an insane person but that's where i'm at lol. content-wise there is nothing particularly indicating that he could be town or mafia. marmot claiming a TR on me because of "a solid mix of jests and reads that looks authentic" was another thing that irked, specifically because our most recent game together Marmot and some others were fooled by specifically that exact thing, reading me (and again mostly Nanook) as town because of my easy breezy jocular attitude, which is something he should be specifically wary of, and also i haven't read my posts, but i don't think there was enough meat on any of my day 1 or 2 reads to be certified as authentic by any passersby.

mog: similarly to daisy, i disliked that mog used their position on the made train as evidence for their own goodness, though we went through like a whole fucking thing about it and i'm not gonna get into it, i came out of it feeling like they really felt what they were saying was true rather than just sheeping other people's thoughts, gth town i guess. if they're mafia it's up to someone else to figure it out lol sorry this list took a long time and i'm already passing out, i still have to do like 3 more people.

[Kylemii]

yeah you're right. you are purposefully forgetting an important thing. i don't buss. im not mafia.

i don't know anything like either of those things. i don't know what you're talking about at all. the use of "purposefully" is noted

there was more.

I need tim or g-man to scum read me or my brain can't function.

because

that's how I found Made. Alison scum reading me so I comb the game looking for anyone and anything sus to prove her wrong.

I don't need you sussing me because it won't have the same impact to my small brain.

i actually don't know what any of this means individually or in aggregate. i think your brain probably functions fine with or without those things

did you read mog? what did you look into? do you really think mog and Marmot r in bracket1 just towning it up?
what is your thoughts on mog?

if you are town and I am town then that leaves hk, g-man, tim, Tony

TonyStarkPrime is what to you?

do u think Alison found tim?

i'm skipping this stuff cus it's mostly covered in my iso thingy.

you been quiet kyle. why is that kyle?

i was sick during day 2 and wasn't informed the game had started until like 24 hours into day 1.

do you even know who Gavial is? I mentioned him now because have you looked at legacy posts?

gavial's dead?

how many posts of your 24 r u gonna use kyle? will we see walls kyle?

just the one wall. and maybe one more for tim, if there's time after the shot. this was what time i had left that could be fully dedicated to this game.

if you don't know me, haven't read my iso, paid 0 attention to me Kylemii then why u sus me? should I not be null for u?

your most recent posts seemed scummy, and the fact that you're below everyone's radar seems in line with the way marmot's playing. my comment on you and marmot was to say "maybe the wolves are just where we're not looking actually". it wasn't a serious accusation.

I swear we played together in other games. if you know anything about me you know I never bus. I have had teammates bus me but I don't bus.

I'm not ranting Kylemii. I wasn't trying to be weird and cryptic. it was like u hit me with a 2x4. as if I would buss.

to the best of my knowledge this is our first game together, if we've played together before i'm sorry, but i don't remember. why do you expect me to remember your specific trust tell from a game that neither of us can remember the specifics of, or even remember whether it happened for sure?

[Timsup2nothin]

Kyle, are you town?

HK, are you town?

I don't know. And one big reason that I don't know is you haven't killed anyone. Not your fault. You haven't had the "chance."

I do know stuff though. TSP and Daisy were here in the trenches when Made died. I do not believe Made had any friends that night. Kyle is talking about "could be a bus." This is a Mafia game, so we think about bussing. Fine. But this isn't a simple "where was your vote?" or "well the wolves had to vote somewhere" situation. There were eight of us and four were dying. A lot of the eight actually never seemed to grasp that even while it was happening. There was a lot of fight about Mac, and Alison, and me...but three people that died, including Made, were like...afterthoughts. If there were two wolves here they'd have done...something. All Made was doing was trying to take Mac with him and shade me. I killed Mac, no one else really helped Made with that. No one helped him shade me. No one really tried to do anything, because no one had a plan. Just a bunch of townies squabbling.

So, G-Man comes a killing. Again, I killed Alison while she tried to kill me. I'm not a reader, I'm a killer. Give me good wolf reads and I get them chopped. Man and Alison gave me wolf reads on each other, and I got them chopped. If they don't like the results they should have given me better reads. Stuff happens. But again, no one really cared who died besides Alison. TSP and Daisy have chopped six town...we are past ready for LYLO...they had no agendas, and neither did G-Man. There were just no wolves. It was a pointless exercise in chopping.

So ultimately, I have the three towns I need and I just don't care if you guys are town or not. Maybe you are and it's Mogh and Marmot. Maybe not. Don't know, got no way to work it out really...and most importantly I do not need to work it out. My three towns have five chops to burn. They can mischop me, chop both of you, then chop Mogh AND Marmot.

I understand you guys want to "get solved." Believe me. But I have a ton of blood on my hands this game and I just want to take the shortest path to a win.

[TonyStarkPrime]

we have three chops today? I thought we only had two. This is nice.

Anyways, I’m inno child and therefore wanting to chop me is wolfy.

Vote: Tim, Kyle, HK

[TonyStarkPrime]

Though I’m less convinced by GMan tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

Doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who would usually do reaction tests

[G-Man]

@G-Man What does your reading of the thread tell you about where/who wolves are? Like put aside the vote data for a hot second and lets just talk about reads and how you're feeling about things.
We've got about 24 hours or so to figure this out and I'd like to get as much data and information into teh thread as I can.

@Timsup2nothin did you see my post about the players in the WB and why I read them the way I do? Do you have any disagreements or issues with that?

Simply put, we have to assume there are two baddies here among the six of us. That means the POE starts at five, because I'm not mafia. After reading Daisy's progression on Made, I feel that I can remove her from the POE. That leaves Tim as the only possible busser of Made on Night 1 who also voted to ensure the biggest death-tunnel threats were on or near the chopping block; or Tony was the teammate who didn't use all his votes, avoided his partner, and opted to not break the tie for Chop #4 in the poll.

If it's Tim AND Tony, then sacrificing one of their own helps them avoid additional scrutiny and prevents the WB folks from barging in N2 with the goal to chop only LB folks. Throw a bone to the civvies because you can keep Alison around as a distraction for another night and an easy mis-chop post-Mac-flip.

I need to re-read Kyle's ISO in light of all the civvie flips. I was meh on him D1, and I would have probably advocated for him coming down for N2 instead of Wilgy but I didn't have time and I don't know if I could have persuaded enough people. Moghedien didn't vote at all D2, which makes them more sus in my book than Marmot, even though I know that Marmot can be a sneaky evil mountain rat. Gun-to-head, I'm content chopping Kyle based on outdated information.

HK- we mind-melded a little bit earlier in the game when it came to strategy and that clouded my perception of you through D2 and part of D3. I want to believe you are a civvie, but I have to be willing to waffle on you now just as I've come to waffle on Tim. I understand your frustration about the data crunching. Sadly, I have a tendency to start things and fail to se them through per my initial vision. I'm big on ideas but I struggle in the execution of those ideas.

So yeah, I'll be spending some time tomorrow ISOing the four of you. Today, I'm content to lose to Daisy is she's snookered me. If I can find the time, I'm going to work up scenarios involving pairings, assuming we have both remaining baddies in the LB right now. Taking me and Daisy out of the equation, that means wrapping my head around teams consisting of:

Made-HK-Kyle
Made-HK-Tim
Made-HK-Tony
Made-Kyle-Tim
Made-Kyle-Tony
Made-Tim-Tony

For now though, it's 11:00 pm for me, and I'm an old man trapped in the body of a late-30-something. Good night.

I'll have more to say about this tomorrow I'm sure but I assume from this post you're clearing Marmot and Mogh? Or are you just focusing on who's here b/c those are the only people you can reasonably expect to solve today?

Solvable people only. No matter what, there will be three chops today, so I want to try to paint a picture of the best case scenario, in which we chop both remaining baddies. We know that one civvie is going to die. I prefer the mindset of voting for the worst-looking possible teammates rather than just the three who I civ-read the least.

If it’s Marmot and Moghedien, I don’t think we’re going to win this game. But I can’t do anything about either of them until we switch to taking things one person at a time.

[G-Man]

Spotlight on: MADE-HK-KYLE

In this potential trio, you have two somewhat indifferent players and someone who fits the game-solving mold. Made and Kyle had detached, go-with-the-flow attitudes about this weird little game. HK is hypothesizing but not death-tunneling turned up to 11 like Alison, Mac, and Tim were at the start. Compared to those three, HK comes off looking like a cooler head, which will garner more civ-reads from other players just out of sheer contrast.

To believe in this trio as the solve, you have to believe that two baddie teammates (HK and Kyle) would cast 7/8 votes for the same people. You also have to believe that Made and HK and Made overlapped on 4 people. This is very plausible given the number of votes and the temperature of the room Day 1. Made and Kyle overlapping on 5 is also plausible. Overlapping on 7 though? They had to have been really playing to the room there. AMT were loud enough D1 for that sort of skating to go unnoticed.

This would also mean that all three of them overlapped on 4 people: Alison, Tim, Tony, and Marmot. Alison and Tim are obvious choices. Tony and Marmot though? I mean, Tony is another sort of detached player. It seems odd for them all to vote there, but tripling up on Tony keeps Kyle from heading to the LB without the controversy of the baddies breaking the tie in secret. Had there been a D1 tie, there would have been much more focus on those who were spared. HK was not in danger of relegation, so this allowed them to expose just one hard-to-read teammate to the chop.

Night 1, Made is on his own and just can’t avoid getting chopped. He could have voted for any two (or all of) Alison, Poison, and Tim to create a 4- or 5-way tie for chops 2-4, from which he could have extricated himself. Perhaps he couldn’t do that without it being suspicious. Besides, letting Alison and Tim alive to Thunderdome again N2 would provide cover for his teammates.

Day 2, Kyle and HK find a willing civvie (me) to go down to the LB in me and push for the “slankers” to be dealt with. With Moghedien barely there, they succeed in sending three civs to the LB and wasting another night for us all.

That brings us to Day 3. Kyle’s play makes him the most likely to be relegated, and doesn’t spend much time fighting it. But why would HK accept relegation as well? Were they confident in their ability to steamroll the LB and both make it to F5? Was HK painted into a corner based on the temperature of the room for Marmot and Moghedien? I think a case for Moghedien could have worked, as their overall participation has been minimal and sporadic, though just solvey enough to get civ read by contrast.

HK enters N3 set on chopping Tony for sure. He presents an either/or on Kyle and Tim. Could this be setting up another Thunderdome? Tim has the misfortune of being the only death-tunneler remaining after Mac and Alison flipping civ. The third, HK says, is negotiable. Negotiable among whom? Everyone else or everyone else not Kyle & Tim? In the meantime, Kyle seems resigned to his fate, which allows him to not hunt much so as to not drop any accidental bread crumbs.

I struggle to see HK and Kyle thinking it’s their beat play to BOTH head to the LB. Doing so could lose them the game. Splitting up guarantees a F5 featuring one of them (HK most likely). After playing two days rather cool and letting things happen, why change gears and take on risk? I see this more as a “we have no other choice” play, but I think a case to send low-posting Moghedien down to the LB could have worked for them.

I can see this as a possibility, but man is it a head-scratcher of a strategy shift.

[G-Man]

Spotlight on MADE-HK-TIM

In this scenario, D1 is a crapfest because the baddies get away with undervoting. Made only uses 5 votes, and one on teammate Tim to round out the Big Loud Three. Tim only votes for Mac and Alison and somehow gets away with it. Doing so allows him to put off forming opinions on anyone else until Mac v Alison is resolved. HK votes for several people, opting for the normal-looking route. Among HK’s votes is Tim, who is a sure thing for the LB, but not Made. Did Tim ask to go to the LB? I’ll try to look back if I have time.

N2, Made strangely only votes once and for Mac. I still don’t get it unless he was trying to keep his associations to a minimum. Tim votes for Made as a plan for cred in such a tight situation. Made gets chopped and they opt to break the tie between Poison, Alison, and Tim in secret this time. The baddies kill poison to keep Alison as a potential mischop after Alison v Mac blew up in her face. Tim must have thought he could get through it or the team could persevere because HK was well-placed as a more rational voice in the WB.

D2, HK goes along with sending me to the LB along with the trendy “slanker” squad of Falcon and Wilgy. It was almost too easy to both keep HK in the WB another day, leave Kyle as D3 bait, and send high-probability bait for mischops down to the LB.

N2 proves all too easy for Tim to navigate, as Alison relents on Thunderdoming and is mostly a non-factor. She didn’t even vote N2- what happened there? That leaves only Tim left from the Big Loud Three. Not a good position to be in.

D3, HK helps ensure that Kyle is relegated but also volunteers to head down to the LB himself. Why? Is it to try to act as reinforcement for Tim to get them both to F5? Or is it to take Tim on directly in order to build cred post-Tim-flip to position him as a leader in F5? Perhaps still it’s the fear that, if Tim somehow survives N3 by virtue of another triple mis-chop, that the remaining WB duo will come under fierce scrutiny?

I have a hard time believing that HK just volunteered to expose both remaining baddies to the chop. Maybe he’s just that confident in himself. If it’s going down this way because HK feels like it was too hard to get either Marmot or Moghedien into the LB tonight, I can see it, but I think HK could have maneuvered himself out of being relegated.

[DaisyCloud]

I'm not voting g-man because it's not him. and im not voting myself.

I can see mafia doing the overlap on 7 votes scenario, because I played a game where mafia did that, just followed each other on votes. thing was for the most part they were all inexperienced in playing mafia. can't say that for any of the players here.

I don't think it's Kyle.

nothing about anything from hk makes me think it's them.

@G-Man was tim tied with anyone last round of vote knockouts?

if he was who was he tied with?

also, am I so smooth brained now that I'm not get how we should be playing this game at this point because:

I feel bad that I couldn't come back before end of phase yesterday, but I'm going to rectify that mistake today by taking charge of things as best I can. For starters, I actually read the entire night phase this time.

send HK and Kyle down tomorrow

When you die at the end of the day if you flip town I will certainly never make it to end game and I'm fine with that...but if you are gonna flip town you should be EXTREMELY interested in taking a wolf with you. If you are right about me or not is irrelevant for now...pick someone else to go with you...I will do my best to send them along.

I think it's extremely clear that I think you're a wolf and I'm trying to take you with me.

Hollowkatt is my next in line if you want to know that. Tentatively I'd say the stuff about being pocketed by Marmot signals that Marmot is town being pocketed by wolf HK (and intentionally placed in the same category as Tim to imply they're both town together) because I struggle to believe that HK is swayed that hard by a simple mind meld.

my towns: tim, gman, hk, Marmot

scums: falcon, wilgy, Kyle, Alison

idk: Tony, Mog

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

I think these are clearly the two we should send to the lower bracket today. I'm actually town reading Katt despite some of the night posters scum reading her, but I agree with what seems to be a nearly unanimous scum read on Kyle. I believe the last two wolves are among Kyle, TSP and Tim. Anything I say about Tim would just be beating Alison's dead horse at this point, but I have some quotes saved that I think incriminate TSP. I'll get into those a little later.

if you town read hk then why are u sending them down here?

at this point in the game the only people that should be sent down here is scums. you should keep all the townies up there.


why has no one noticed this or anything from Mog except me?


I would think that the priority for town in bracket 1 is send us scums because we are voting out towns. we don't need town voting town.

[DaisyCloud]

the thing about Kyle is it be similar to falcon and wilgy.

I'm curious to see the rest of Kyle's post on players. part 2.

thing about Tony is I think he is scum.

[G-Man]

I'm not voting g-man because it's not him. and im not voting myself.

I can see mafia doing the overlap on 7 votes scenario, because I played a game where mafia did that, just followed each other on votes. thing was for the most part they were all inexperienced in playing mafia. can't say that for any of the players here.

I don't think it's Kyle.

nothing about anything from hk makes me think it's them.

@G-Man was tim tied with anyone last round of vote knockouts?

if he was who was he tied with?

also, am I so smooth brained now that I'm not get how we should be playing this game at this point because:

I feel bad that I couldn't come back before end of phase yesterday, but I'm going to rectify that mistake today by taking charge of things as best I can. For starters, I actually read the entire night phase this time.

send HK and Kyle down tomorrow

When you die at the end of the day if you flip town I will certainly never make it to end game and I'm fine with that...but if you are gonna flip town you should be EXTREMELY interested in taking a wolf with you. If you are right about me or not is irrelevant for now...pick someone else to go with you...I will do my best to send them along.

I think it's extremely clear that I think you're a wolf and I'm trying to take you with me.

Hollowkatt is my next in line if you want to know that. Tentatively I'd say the stuff about being pocketed by Marmot signals that Marmot is town being pocketed by wolf HK (and intentionally placed in the same category as Tim to imply they're both town together) because I struggle to believe that HK is swayed that hard by a simple mind meld.

my towns: tim, gman, hk, Marmot

scums: falcon, wilgy, Kyle, Alison

idk: Tony, Mog

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

I think these are clearly the two we should send to the lower bracket today. I'm actually town reading Katt despite some of the night posters scum reading her, but I agree with what seems to be a nearly unanimous scum read on Kyle. I believe the last two wolves are among Kyle, TSP and Tim. Anything I say about Tim would just be beating Alison's dead horse at this point, but I have some quotes saved that I think incriminate TSP. I'll get into those a little later.

if you town read hk then why are u sending them down here?

at this point in the game the only people that should be sent down here is scums. you should keep all the townies up there.


why has no one noticed this or anything from Mog except me?


I would think that the priority for town in bracket 1 is send us scums because we are voting out towns. we don't need town voting town.

Seems like you have your POE settled then. If you know it’s not you, and you won’t vote for me, and you don’t think it’s Kyle, that leaves you with HK, Tim and Tony for the chop.

Where do you see Kyle’s civvieness shining through?

What sets HK and Kyle apart in your mind?

Also, Tim was not tied N2. He got one vote from Wilgy. Tim votes for all three that got chopped (Alison, Falcon, and Wilgy).

[G-Man]

the thing about Kyle is it be similar to falcon and wilgy.

I'm curious to see the rest of Kyle's post on players. part 2.

thing about Tony is I think he is scum.

See, to me, Kyle’s play seems more comparable to Made’s than Falcon or Wilgy. What specifics can you point to that back up your read on Kyle?

[DaisyCloud]

I'm not voting g-man because it's not him. and im not voting myself.

I can see mafia doing the overlap on 7 votes scenario, because I played a game where mafia did that, just followed each other on votes. thing was for the most part they were all inexperienced in playing mafia. can't say that for any of the players here.

I don't think it's Kyle.

nothing about anything from hk makes me think it's them.

@G-Man was tim tied with anyone last round of vote knockouts?

if he was who was he tied with?

also, am I so smooth brained now that I'm not get how we should be playing this game at this point because:

I feel bad that I couldn't come back before end of phase yesterday, but I'm going to rectify that mistake today by taking charge of things as best I can. For starters, I actually read the entire night phase this time.

send HK and Kyle down tomorrow

When you die at the end of the day if you flip town I will certainly never make it to end game and I'm fine with that...but if you are gonna flip town you should be EXTREMELY interested in taking a wolf with you. If you are right about me or not is irrelevant for now...pick someone else to go with you...I will do my best to send them along.

I think it's extremely clear that I think you're a wolf and I'm trying to take you with me.

Hollowkatt is my next in line if you want to know that. Tentatively I'd say the stuff about being pocketed by Marmot signals that Marmot is town being pocketed by wolf HK (and intentionally placed in the same category as Tim to imply they're both town together) because I struggle to believe that HK is swayed that hard by a simple mind meld.

my towns: tim, gman, hk, Marmot

scums: falcon, wilgy, Kyle, Alison

idk: Tony, Mog

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

I think these are clearly the two we should send to the lower bracket today. I'm actually town reading Katt despite some of the night posters scum reading her, but I agree with what seems to be a nearly unanimous scum read on Kyle. I believe the last two wolves are among Kyle, TSP and Tim. Anything I say about Tim would just be beating Alison's dead horse at this point, but I have some quotes saved that I think incriminate TSP. I'll get into those a little later.

if you town read hk then why are u sending them down here?

at this point in the game the only people that should be sent down here is scums. you should keep all the townies up there.


why has no one noticed this or anything from Mog except me?


I would think that the priority for town in bracket 1 is send us scums because we are voting out towns. we don't need town voting town.

Seems like you have your POE settled then. If you know it’s not you, and you won’t vote for me, and you don’t think it’s Kyle, that leaves you with HK, Tim and Tony for the chop.

Where do you see Kyle’s civvieness shining through?

What sets HK and Kyle apart in your mind?

Also, Tim was not tied N2. He got one vote from Wilgy. Tim votes for all three that got chopped (Alison, Falcon, and Wilgy).

actually no. I haven't figured out Kyle yet.


hk never seemed scummy compared to others in bracket1 and idk why they r here.

but for future reference i'm never going to look through someone's old posts when they're literally right there to question who does that. i can read old posts any time i want, i can only directly question people when they're online

okay word.

I play better when people are actively in game with me.

listen idk what u r. I didn't like your iso but u r down here now and I can talk to u and you seem better.



I don't think Kyle is town yet but it certainly seems like it.

I never wanted hk down here. I figured we need hk to send us scums.

[DaisyCloud]

the thing about Kyle is it be similar to falcon and wilgy.

I'm curious to see the rest of Kyle's post on players. part 2.

thing about Tony is I think he is scum.

See, to me, Kyle’s play seems more comparable to Made’s than Falcon or Wilgy. What specifics can you point to that back up your read on Kyle?

I was just a complete mess at the start of this nite. panicked and did delete all my notes. and really shocked mog wasn't down here.

I see Kyle and hk are.

Kyle is trending up? idk. do I believe the words that come out of his mouth? yeah kinda.

he could be mafia and making all that up. I don't think so.

mafia is at a good place. they could easily offerd to lose 1 more and still win.

we have this voting spree elim going on.

I Don't think Kyle is using wim and AtE. this looks town to me.


I don't remember reading hk as more then a lean in any direction.


leaves tim, Tony, mog

I can't vote mog but if I could I would.


I don't half believe my feelings, reads, what have you on kyle. I think they are more town then mog.




but what do I know? mog is probably town too.

[DaisyCloud]

@Timsup2nothin yiu don't talk to me anymore. you ignore my posts.

I wasn't there at eod. u expected me there. I messed up.

I figured you be needing to at least touch base or something. did you see stuff I said about mog?

don't be a mic dropper. idk what your thinking and your plans/objectives seem really big.

dude help me out. ♡

[DaisyCloud]

I sound like an ex. lol, I'm so lame. seriously tim.

[G-Man]

Stop me if this sounds too crazy, but what if we just chop Daisy, Tim, and Tony?

Doing so would end the mystery of how many baddies were in the LB to start with. I’m the only one left from N2, and I’m being rightly civ-read by most I think.

If we find out for sure that Made was the only baddie N1, then we can re-read all the F5 for their subterfuge. It would mean 3v2 in a high-stakes LYLO and leave Kyle as low-hanging fruit based on the temperature of the room, but then we’d know for certain that two baddies made it to D3 in the WB.

If Made did have a N1 partner, we’ll chop them and then F5 is only 4v1, so we can afford to make one more mistake.

More scenarios later...

[hollowkatt]

Daisy: tonally i think she looks fine, unless i'm missing something i don't see any particularly strong contribution to taking down made. they did the "i see myself voting for ___ or ___" thing with mac and made which is a classic bus script, especially when followed by a 'i don't really know about made i haven't looked into their iso yet' followed by not seemingly looking into or commenting about a made iso. i dislike that they painted their contribution to made's death as being strong because it doesn't seem that way to me, and it doesn't seem outside of the range of bussing by a longshot. so "do you really think i bussed Made?" seems disingenuous. i don't see the post where they voted for made so it's possible the iso is fucked up and i'm not seeing some posts? on the flip side, many of their posts seem.... off the cuff in a way that seems genuine, in a way that's more difficult to fake as wolf. question for/about daisy that anyone can answer, what is daisy's experience level? has she been around a lot and played a lot of games on other sites?

Gman: i thought and i still think that a lot of G-man's early contributions (day 1) were sort of.... easy to without really ruffling feathers, i.e. the +,- list. there is a sort of formulaic diligence to the way G-man has moved through this game. like he's doing what he's supposed to do when he's supposed to do it. but he's also.... seems very thorough. if gman is mafia he's doing a good job of creating work work for himself and then doing the work. it's tough to actually place his intentions without the opportunity for involvement in the made vote. if he's mafia i wouldn't be annoyed losing to him. well actually i'd be a little annoyed.

HK: first town-look moment for HK was when he demanded to be sent to the shadow realm to deal with TSP and Tim respectively, and he has pretty much done exactly that since getting here. gth i think town. his mental processes are clearly on display in his posts, and it's easy to see where they're coming from and where they went.

Tim: i really shouldn't have saved tim for last i wish to sleep. ugh. my brain is dead and his words are just sort of floating together and i'm not catching any of it. there are a LOT of words i need to be awake for vaccine tomorrow so i think i'm going to save tim legacy for tomorrow.

Tsp: side note this is a nightmare people have to start tagging their votes. if true, i think tony's defense that made and himself voting different people would have kept them both out of the LB is valid, assuming his goal was to stay out of the LB. made seemingly wanted to be in the LB. i don' t know if tony did. there's not particularly a lot of meat on these bones. casual posts which move things forward

marmot: marmot irked my buttons by town reading me and has been in general high spirits, which is cool and good but it makes me nervous, like marmot is a cool guy and funny and i KNOW he's good at pocketing me and i KNOW he's very well capable of it and i guess i'm somewhat paranoid of the same thing happening here because of what mostly NANOOK and a little bit I, did in stardew valley. marmot is a prankster supreme and posting stuff like "this time i'm a wolf" when i jokingly ask him if he's mafia is exactly the kind of thing he'd do. i know this just sounds like the ramblings of an insane person but that's where i'm at lol. content-wise there is nothing particularly indicating that he could be town or mafia. marmot claiming a TR on me because of "a solid mix of jests and reads that looks authentic" was another thing that irked, specifically because our most recent game together Marmot and some others were fooled by specifically that exact thing, reading me (and again mostly Nanook) as town because of my easy breezy jocular attitude, which is something he should be specifically wary of, and also i haven't read my posts, but i don't think there was enough meat on any of my day 1 or 2 reads to be certified as authentic by any passersby.

mog: similarly to daisy, i disliked that mog used their position on the made train as evidence for their own goodness, though we went through like a whole fucking thing about it and i'm not gonna get into it, i came out of it feeling like they really felt what they were saying was true rather than just sheeping other people's thoughts, gth town i guess. if they're mafia it's up to someone else to figure it out lol sorry this list took a long time and i'm already passing out, i still have to do like 3 more people.

I think it would be really interesting to see the Kyle votes juxtaposed with these takes. Time to go back through the G-Man ISO I guess for his vote tracker post.
I want to unvote kyle here b/c if this is from a wolf it's really well done, but there are a few things that don't sit right with me. If there were concerns about Marmot/Mogh from Kyle during the day phase yesterday I don't remember reading them.
Additionally, none of his votes have landed on Marmot/Mogh. Something to contemplate anyways.

I'm currently working through the votes tally that G-Man has prepared and looking for patterns. I'll have something on that later

[hollowkatt]

Stop me if this sounds too crazy, but what if we just chop Daisy, Tim, and Tony?

Doing so would end the mystery of how many baddies were in the LB to start with. I’m the only one left from N2, and I’m being rightly civ-read by most I think.

If we find out for sure that Made was the only baddie N1, then we can re-read all the F5 for their subterfuge. It would mean 3v2 in a high-stakes LYLO and leave Kyle as low-hanging fruit based on the temperature of the room, but then we’d know for certain that two baddies made it to D3 in the WB.

If Made did have a N1 partner, we’ll chop them and then F5 is only 4v1, so we can afford to make one more mistake.

More scenarios later...

What happened to the teams I'm included in that makes you shift to Daisy/Tim/Tony?

[G-Man]

Spotlight on MADE-HK-TONY

D1 Made and HK overlap four times, Made and Tony overlap zero times, and HK and Tony overlap three times. If that was an intentional spread, well done. If not, then they were willing to go uncoordinated and take it easy. If HK and Tony are teammates though, I would think they could find a way to keep Tony out of the LB. It seems unnecessary to send two down to the LB on D1 if you can avoid it.

N1 Tony doesn’t vote for Made and Made doesn’t vote for Tony. Tony isn’t super at risk for the chop, so they let Made die and break the tie in favor of Poison to keep Alison and Tim alive as a distraction turned up to 11.

D2, HK is content to send down a willing civvie (me) and some low-hanging fruit to provide Tony some cover and possibly buy him another day. Tony votes for all three in the N2 chop, which helps him avoid having to survive by tie-breaker, but he’s on thin ice, though not quite circling the drain.

So why does HK volunteer to come down to the LB D3? To save Tony so they can hit F5 as a 2v3? HK is probably positioned well enough to not need to do that. Does HK feel he can power through N3 and steer the civs to take out some preferred target? Why bother? Unless he felt stuck because he couldn’t build a strong enough case to send either Marmot or Moghedien down, I don’t see why baddie HK doesn’t just let Tony press his luck one more time unassisted.

This is the least-believable scenario yet in my mind.

[Kylemii]

I think it would be really interesting to see the Kyle votes juxtaposed with these takes. Time to go back through the G-Man ISO I guess for his vote tracker post.
I want to unvote kyle here b/c if this is from a wolf it's really well done, but there are a few things that don't sit right with me. If there were concerns about Marmot/Mogh from Kyle during the day phase yesterday I don't remember reading them.
Additionally, none of his votes have landed on Marmot/Mogh. Something to contemplate anyways.

I'm currently working through the votes tally that G-Man has prepared and looking for patterns. I'll have something on that later

I mentioned all the marmot stuff with less specificity for sure. there was nothing to push or question really cus it's mostly just a vibe thing influenced by a recent experience, I wanted to make sure my thoughts were down on paper, because I don't think anyone else here was part of that game or would notice the disparity. I guess Tim? @Timsup2nothin What do you think of Marmot's read progression on me?

I don't know how you could have missed me questioning mog though? 70% of my posts from this cycle were spent interrogating him on his sheeping of tony.

[G-Man]

Stop me if this sounds too crazy, but what if we just chop Daisy, Tim, and Tony?

Doing so would end the mystery of how many baddies were in the LB to start with. I’m the only one left from N2, and I’m being rightly civ-read by most I think.

If we find out for sure that Made was the only baddie N1, then we can re-read all the F5 for their subterfuge. It would mean 3v2 in a high-stakes LYLO and leave Kyle as low-hanging fruit based on the temperature of the room, but then we’d know for certain that two baddies made it to D3 in the WB. Otherwise we probably won’t find out until endgame or post-game.

If Made did have a N1 partner, we’ll chop them and then F5 is only 4v1, so we can afford to make one more mistake.

More scenarios later...

What happened to the teams I'm included in that makes you shift to Daisy/Tim/Tony?

Sometimes ideas just pop into your head and you have to get it out so you don’t lose it. I’m still working on cases, but it occurred to me that chopping Daisy, Tim, and Tony would once and for all end the mystery over how many baddies were in the LB N1.

I’m still inclined to just write Daisy off as a civvie, but knowing things for certain is a powerful draw and temptation.

[G-Man]

Supplement to my last scenario:

HK coming out so strong against Tim’s plan to chop HK, Kyle, and himself could be coming from a place where he realizes that Tony doesn’t have much of a chance to survive a F5.

I still struggle to see how HK’s relegation strengthens the baddie cause though.

[Timsup2nothin]

@Timsup2nothin yiu don't talk to me anymore. you ignore my posts.

I wasn't there at eod. u expected me there. I messed up.

I figured you be needing to at least touch base or something. did you see stuff I said about mog?

don't be a mic dropper. idk what your thinking and your plans/objectives seem really big.

dude help me out. ♡

I'm trying to help out. This game is simple. Find three town and stick with them. You have one locked...yourself. G-man is the second. I fully endorse and support you there. IMO if TSP was partners with Made the entire N1 would have gone differently. There was no need for Made to die there. Him dying didn't accomplish anything for the wolves. To me, if there was a second wolf in the lower bracket we would know it. So TSP is not a wolf. Take that to the bank.

So all we need is for the three of you to always vote together. Vote together now and chop out me, HK, and Kyle. I'm not a wolf, but it doesn't matter. Maybe Kyle isn't. Maybe HK isn't. None of that matters either. Because if you, TSP, and GMan just stick together you then chop out Mogh, and Marmot, and that's game.

I am convinced all three of you are town. Trust me...after I flip town, naturally...and just stay the course here.

[Timsup2nothin]

I sound like an ex. lol, I'm so lame. seriously tim.

I have plenty of exes and you don't sound like any of them. No worries.

[Timsup2nothin]

Stop me if this sounds too crazy, but what if we just chop Daisy, Tim, and Tony?

Doing so would end the mystery of how many baddies were in the LB to start with. I’m the only one left from N2, and I’m being rightly civ-read by most I think.

If we find out for sure that Made was the only baddie N1, then we can re-read all the F5 for their subterfuge. It would mean 3v2 in a high-stakes LYLO and leave Kyle as low-hanging fruit based on the temperature of the room, but then we’d know for certain that two baddies made it to D3 in the WB.

If Made did have a N1 partner, we’ll chop them and then F5 is only 4v1, so we can afford to make one more mistake.

More scenarios later...

This is a really bad idea. If I am right it sends you to F5 with no one in the five who has ever voted on chopping a wolf. That is double LYLO on pure guesswork and town has no shot.

[hollowkatt]

@Timsup2nothin yiu don't talk to me anymore. you ignore my posts.

I wasn't there at eod. u expected me there. I messed up.

I figured you be needing to at least touch base or something. did you see stuff I said about mog?

don't be a mic dropper. idk what your thinking and your plans/objectives seem really big.

dude help me out. ♡

I'm trying to help out. This game is simple. Find three town and stick with them. You have one locked...yourself. G-man is the second. I fully endorse and support you there. IMO if TSP was partners with Made the entire N1 would have gone differently. There was no need for Made to die there. Him dying didn't accomplish anything for the wolves. To me, if there was a second wolf in the lower bracket we would know it. So TSP is not a wolf. Take that to the bank.

So all we need is for the three of you to always vote together. Vote together now and chop out me, HK, and Kyle. I'm not a wolf, but it doesn't matter. Maybe Kyle isn't. Maybe HK isn't. None of that matters either. Because if you, TSP, and GMan just stick together you then chop out Mogh, and Marmot, and that's game.

I am convinced all three of you are town. Trust me...after I flip town, naturally...and just stay the course here.

You still haven't adequately explained why you think I'm the right chop here. You're formulaic and by the numbers and that's literally never you

[Timsup2nothin]

I think it would be really interesting to see the Kyle votes juxtaposed with these takes. Time to go back through the G-Man ISO I guess for his vote tracker post.
I want to unvote kyle here b/c if this is from a wolf it's really well done, but there are a few things that don't sit right with me. If there were concerns about Marmot/Mogh from Kyle during the day phase yesterday I don't remember reading them.
Additionally, none of his votes have landed on Marmot/Mogh. Something to contemplate anyways.

I'm currently working through the votes tally that G-Man has prepared and looking for patterns. I'll have something on that later

I mentioned all the marmot stuff with less specificity for sure. there was nothing to push or question really cus it's mostly just a vibe thing influenced by a recent experience, I wanted to make sure my thoughts were down on paper, because I don't think anyone else here was part of that game or would notice the disparity. I guess Tim? @Timsup2nothin What do you think of Marmot's read progression on me?

I don't know how you could have missed me questioning mog though? 70% of my posts from this cycle were spent interrogating him on his sheeping of tony.

Honest answer? Don't care. You guys were up there in the upper bracket where no one was dying no matter how you voted or what you said. Reads there are basically equivalent to typical day one reads...maybe even just RVS.

[Timsup2nothin]

@Timsup2nothin yiu don't talk to me anymore. you ignore my posts.

I wasn't there at eod. u expected me there. I messed up.

I figured you be needing to at least touch base or something. did you see stuff I said about mog?

don't be a mic dropper. idk what your thinking and your plans/objectives seem really big.

dude help me out. ♡

I'm trying to help out. This game is simple. Find three town and stick with them. You have one locked...yourself. G-man is the second. I fully endorse and support you there. IMO if TSP was partners with Made the entire N1 would have gone differently. There was no need for Made to die there. Him dying didn't accomplish anything for the wolves. To me, if there was a second wolf in the lower bracket we would know it. So TSP is not a wolf. Take that to the bank.

So all we need is for the three of you to always vote together. Vote together now and chop out me, HK, and Kyle. I'm not a wolf, but it doesn't matter. Maybe Kyle isn't. Maybe HK isn't. None of that matters either. Because if you, TSP, and GMan just stick together you then chop out Mogh, and Marmot, and that's game.

I am convinced all three of you are town. Trust me...after I flip town, naturally...and just stay the course here.

You still haven't adequately explained why you think I'm the right chop here. You're formulaic and by the numbers and that's literally never you

I've never played in a game with multiple chops per day, no night kills, and players who can reach LYLO having been insulated from making a single life and death decision for the entire game. You are the right chop here, along with Kyle, and me, because I believe that G-Man, Daisy, and TSP are battle tested proven towns that give me my best chance to win.

[hollowkatt]

@Timsup2nothin yiu don't talk to me anymore. you ignore my posts.

I wasn't there at eod. u expected me there. I messed up.

I figured you be needing to at least touch base or something. did you see stuff I said about mog?

don't be a mic dropper. idk what your thinking and your plans/objectives seem really big.

dude help me out. ♡

I'm trying to help out. This game is simple. Find three town and stick with them. You have one locked...yourself. G-man is the second. I fully endorse and support you there. IMO if TSP was partners with Made the entire N1 would have gone differently. There was no need for Made to die there. Him dying didn't accomplish anything for the wolves. To me, if there was a second wolf in the lower bracket we would know it. So TSP is not a wolf. Take that to the bank.

So all we need is for the three of you to always vote together. Vote together now and chop out me, HK, and Kyle. I'm not a wolf, but it doesn't matter. Maybe Kyle isn't. Maybe HK isn't. None of that matters either. Because if you, TSP, and GMan just stick together you then chop out Mogh, and Marmot, and that's game.

I am convinced all three of you are town. Trust me...after I flip town, naturally...and just stay the course here.

You still haven't adequately explained why you think I'm the right chop here. You're formulaic and by the numbers and that's literally never you

I've never played in a game with multiple chops per day, no night kills, and players who can reach LYLO having been insulated from making a single life and death decision for the entire game. You are the right chop here, along with Kyle, and me, because I believe that G-Man, Daisy, and TSP are battle tested proven towns that give me my best chance to win.

k

[G-Man]

Spotlight on MADE-KYLE-TIM

D1 you have Made, Kyle, and Tim all overlapping on Tim’s only two votes. Made and Kyle overlap on five people total. Kyle votes for 7 of the 8 sent to the LB. The only one he didn’t vote for? Made. Kyle got five votes D1, none of which were from Made or Tim. He ended the day one vote shy of being caught up in a tie-breaker for slots 4-8. Close call.

N1 Tim feels safe enough to vote for Made. Perhaps this is because Tim and Made wanted to keep Alison alive as a distraction. Tim already voted for Alison, so he can’t get Made off the chopping block. It’s more of an unfortunate reality than an agreed-to plan.

D2, Kyle gets a little hear but wins a reprieve when G-Man and the “slankers” get relegated. Tim doesn’t have to dance too much at all N2, as the appetite for Alison wins out, plus the LB crew gets snookered into dealing with Falcon and Wilgy.

D3, the easy times are over, as Kyle can’t shake the heat when he’s the worst-looking of the remaining WB4. He’s even resigned to his fate and self-votes.

So now in N3, it seems Kyle and Tim’s run is nearing its end. It was a good run, extended by lazy civ D2 and N2 decisions. Kyle’s stock hasn’t risen high enough to save his neck and questions remain about Tony being the last of the Big Loud Three.

This would make Tim’s proposal to chop him and the new guys (HK and Kyle) today a gambit. If it doesn’t work, oh well, they made a good run of it. If it works and only one of them gets chopped, it’s off to F5 for more dancing and mind games.

This is plausible in my head.

[DaisyCloud]

What about waiting for everyone to check in and eliminating actual scummy people?

i think everyone here including gav is probably town. therefore, the other 12 people probably have wolves.

we have eight eliminations today let's not kid ourselves and pretend there's an easy way to do this.

okay sooo, either Tony is a little bold mafia monkey and he actually
does know who is town or not or he is town and ??

This might actually be my game to shine, i'm, as the kids like to say, ~~paranoid~~ so I will not be voting my suses with rektless abandon

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine cuz she's scary
[VOTE: Tim] aubergine he's making sense
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine votes bottom half is a copout
[VOTE: TSP] aubergine votes seem arbitrary, but like in an intentional way. also he's scary

how is TSP scary?

One thing before I go back to wall posting,
@Marmot
Can you take your vote off of TSP please.
For me

so gavial thought Tony was town from like a long time.


I can't figure out tony. also I thought Marmot always like tony.

this is a mess of a post. my thoughts are a blur. idk what my point was when I started this. I shouldn't hit send.



but im not voting g-man, tim, nor myself.

Alison thought mog was okay. but Mac didn't. Alison was town . so was mac.

last I checked intentions in this case is indeed important. it is in the second bracket that town will be able to eliminate mafia. if Majority of the players in the second bracket believes me to be scum then I will be eliminated thus unable to eliminate any mafia. not sure what about that is confusing to u. it doesn't hender me from finding and trying to yeet the mafia but it clearly doesn't help either. and I clearly said that I'm fine going so im not being anti-town.

Four players will be eliminated from loser's. If you are in loser's, even if you are one of the four, you have a say as to who the other three are.

Your focus on surviving rather than maximizing your agency to control the exe while claiming on paper that you want to dunk all three mafia suggests you are mafia yourself.

Alison confidently saying a bunch of nonsense like this means she's probably just town

how much does Kyle and Alison know each other? like town vs scum games?

is this something Kyle could determine early on in game?

seems like mac and others know her better and disagreed to this being t!Alison

[Timsup2nothin]

@G-Man

I think this question resolves a lot of your possible teams:

Why let Made die?

If there are two wolves in the LB on night one, why just let Made die? Even if Made totally outs himself keeping alive in the end...he is still alive and an additional town in dead. The N2 discussion is going to be disrupted by killing Made, and a wolf partner can be an active leader in that discussion to generate town cred. Made surviving is clearly better for the wolves.

Wolf partner doesn't have to defend Made. All they have to do is push someone else. I was pushing Alison hard along with Mac. I got Mac because Made helped. If there was another wolf they could have helped push Alison. Gervail pushed Poison and Poison died. A second wolf could have pushed me, or Daisy...Alison was already pushing Daisy, she could easily have gone over in Made's place.

Made went over because no one else got pushed. If there's another wolf in N1, why didn't they push anyone?

Obviously this doesn't clear me, because I did push towns. So kill me. Gervail pushed Poison, but he's already dead. So take the other two and RUN. This game is winnable if you three just get your stuff together and chop everyone else.

[Timsup2nothin]

Spotlight on MADE-KYLE-TIM

D1 you have Made, Kyle, and Tim all overlapping on Tim’s only two votes. Made and Kyle overlap on five people total. Kyle votes for 7 of the 8 sent to the LB. The only one he didn’t vote for? Made. Kyle got five votes D1, none of which were from Made or Tim. He ended the day one vote shy of being caught up in a tie-breaker for slots 4-8. Close call.

N1 Tim feels safe enough to vote for Made. Perhaps this is because Tim and Made wanted to keep Alison alive as a distraction. Tim already voted for Alison, so he can’t get Made off the chopping block. It’s more of an unfortunate reality than an agreed-to plan.

D2, Kyle gets a little hear but wins a reprieve when G-Man and the “slankers” get relegated. Tim doesn’t have to dance too much at all N2, as the appetite for Alison wins out, plus the LB crew gets snookered into dealing with Falcon and Wilgy.

D3, the easy times are over, as Kyle can’t shake the heat when he’s the worst-looking of the remaining WB4. He’s even resigned to his fate and self-votes.

So now in N3, it seems Kyle and Tim’s run is nearing its end. It was a good run, extended by lazy civ D2 and N2 decisions. Kyle’s stock hasn’t risen high enough to save his neck and questions remain about Tony being the last of the Big Loud Three.

This would make Tim’s proposal to chop him and the new guys (HK and Kyle) today a gambit. If it doesn’t work, oh well, they made a good run of it. If it works and only one of them gets chopped, it’s off to F5 for more dancing and mind games.

This is plausible in my head.

This is plausible...so chop with fire...convince Daisy and TSP to eliminate this possibility by all three of you voting me, Kyle, and HK...then the three of you stick together...even if you get three misses, stick together and rail Mogh and Marmot.

[DaisyCloud]

could the people i townread stop wanting to get voted. that be great.

infact, it be absolute wonderful if scum just vote themselves and you know concede.

[Timsup2nothin]

could the people i townread stop wanting to get voted. that be great.

infact, it be absolute wonderful if scum just vote themselves and you know concede.

I know you mean me, and I appreciate it. But here's the thing...I have missed too many times. I am town, and if I go to F5 LYLO having missed again we are gonna lose because some town is gonna vote me for sure. The only way we can afford to have me at F5 is if I get a hit here, and I think there's a fairly decent chance that I don't even have a wolf to shoot at so I literally cannot get a hit. I think there is a good chance that Made is the only wolf that we ever had a shot at.

So you, TSP, and G-Man need to carry this thing. If you pocketed me and just stood around N1 while Made died...well, bad beats happen and well done.

[Kylemii]

I think it would be really interesting to see the Kyle votes juxtaposed with these takes. Time to go back through the G-Man ISO I guess for his vote tracker post.
I want to unvote kyle here b/c if this is from a wolf it's really well done, but there are a few things that don't sit right with me. If there were concerns about Marmot/Mogh from Kyle during the day phase yesterday I don't remember reading them.
Additionally, none of his votes have landed on Marmot/Mogh. Something to contemplate anyways.

I'm currently working through the votes tally that G-Man has prepared and looking for patterns. I'll have something on that later

I mentioned all the marmot stuff with less specificity for sure. there was nothing to push or question really cus it's mostly just a vibe thing influenced by a recent experience, I wanted to make sure my thoughts were down on paper, because I don't think anyone else here was part of that game or would notice the disparity. I guess Tim? @Timsup2nothin What do you think of Marmot's read progression on me?

I don't know how you could have missed me questioning mog though? 70% of my posts from this cycle were spent interrogating him on his sheeping of tony.

Honest answer? Don't care. You guys were up there in the upper bracket where no one was dying no matter how you voted or what you said. Reads there are basically equivalent to typical day one reads...maybe even just RVS.

I didn't ask if you cared I asked what you thought.

[G-Man]

Spotlight on MADE-KYLE-TONY

D1 Made and Kyle overlap on five people. Made and Tony overlap on zero people. Kyle and Tony overlap on two people. Tony voted for Kyle. Made and Kyle voted for Tony. Neither Kyle nor Tony voted for Made.

Right here, I feel like stopping, because it seems to me that there should have been a way for votes to be shifted to prevent one of Tony or Made from heading to the LB. Neither Made nor Tony strike me in this game as ambitious enough to try to run the LB. That was the Big Loud Three’s modus operandi.

Are we to believe that two nonchalant baddies are just going to accept trying to nonchalant their way through the LB? Kyle is even a third nonchalant kind of player. It’s a stretch for me, but we’ll keep going.

N1, Tony votes around Made and Made only makes one vote. Tony seems safe thanks to the Big Loud Three being a juicy distraction. Made nonchalantly gets chopped and the baddies decide that a D1 noisy distraction merits a D2 noisy distraction, so they chop Poison via the tie-breaker. (By the way, I need to read Poison’s N1 ISO to see if the baddies may have felt threatened by her or just really hid behind Alison v Tim).

Kyle lucks out D2 while on his own and Tony lucks out N2 while on his own. Kyle can’t dodge the hear D3, so he acts resigned to his fate. Tony and Kyle may be in that “it was a good run” stage as well, as they can’t really take any big action without it standing out. It’s a case of putting forth just enough effort to convey that you’re sticking to your guns with the hopes that someone blinks and at least one of them makes it to F5 to dance some more.

I’m not inspired by this. It feels too anticlimactic, but not all games have to have a buzz-worthy solve.

[Timsup2nothin]

I think it would be really interesting to see the Kyle votes juxtaposed with these takes. Time to go back through the G-Man ISO I guess for his vote tracker post.
I want to unvote kyle here b/c if this is from a wolf it's really well done, but there are a few things that don't sit right with me. If there were concerns about Marmot/Mogh from Kyle during the day phase yesterday I don't remember reading them.
Additionally, none of his votes have landed on Marmot/Mogh. Something to contemplate anyways.

I'm currently working through the votes tally that G-Man has prepared and looking for patterns. I'll have something on that later

I mentioned all the marmot stuff with less specificity for sure. there was nothing to push or question really cus it's mostly just a vibe thing influenced by a recent experience, I wanted to make sure my thoughts were down on paper, because I don't think anyone else here was part of that game or would notice the disparity. I guess Tim? @Timsup2nothin What do you think of Marmot's read progression on me?

I don't know how you could have missed me questioning mog though? 70% of my posts from this cycle were spent interrogating him on his sheeping of tony.

Honest answer? Don't care. You guys were up there in the upper bracket where no one was dying no matter how you voted or what you said. Reads there are basically equivalent to typical day one reads...maybe even just RVS.

I didn't ask if you cared I asked what you thought.

Fair. I think I have nothing to base any solid thoughts on. Marmot has never cast a meaningful vote, so his reads wandering around the map could mean...anything. Maybe you and him are wolves and decided that a split was in order...you go to lower bracket and he stays for F5 so the two of you aren't on the same path. Maybe he's a wolf and threw town you into the lower bracket to be rid of you. Maybe he's town and he's right. Or wrong. You haven't really had a chance to do anything that I would say justifies any certainty on his part either way, but if he is town he would be at a grasping at straws stage so sure.

The bottom line is that you haven't had a chance to do anything really readable, and neither has he, so neither of you should come anywhere near LYLO...but there may be no way to keep him away from it. We can keep you away from it, by just chopping you. So, no offense, nothing personal, etc etc etc, but we gotta just chop you.

[DaisyCloud]

Spotlight on MADE-KYLE-TONY

D1 Made and Kyle overlap on five people. Made and Tony overlap on zero people. Kyle and Tony overlap on two people. Tony voted for Kyle. Made and Kyle voted for Tony. Neither Kyle nor Tony voted for Made.

Right here, I feel like stopping, because it seems to me that there should have been a way for votes to be shifted to prevent one of Tony or Made from heading to the LB. Neither Made nor Tony strike me in this game as ambitious enough to try to run the LB. That was the Big Loud Three’s modus operandi.

Are we to believe that two nonchalant baddies are just going to accept trying to nonchalant their way through the LB? Kyle is even a third nonchalant kind of player. It’s a stretch for me, but we’ll keep going.

N1, Tony votes around Made and Made only makes one vote. Tony seems safe thanks to the Big Loud Three being a juicy distraction. Made nonchalantly gets chopped and the baddies decide that a D1 noisy distraction merits a D2 noisy distraction, so they chop Poison via the tie-breaker. (By the way, I need to read Poison’s N1 ISO to see if the baddies may have felt threatened by her or just really hid behind Alison v Tim).

Kyle lucks out D2 while on his own and Tony lucks out N2 while on his own. Kyle can’t dodge the hear D3, so he acts resigned to his fate. Tony and Kyle may be in that “it was a good run” stage as well, as they can’t really take any big action without it standing out. It’s a case of putting forth just enough effort to convey that you’re sticking to your guns with the hopes that someone blinks and at least one of them makes it to F5 to dance some more.

I’m not inspired by this. It feels too anticlimactic, but not all games have to have a buzz-worthy solve.

it can't be them then. if you put it like that.

heck if someone tried they can spin it any ole way.

I can spin it where it's you and Tim. but im not buying that. and I won't accept it.

I know it's not me and it could be spun in a way that it is. I got blood on my hands and I have really bad mistakes.

it can't be both Kyle and Tony? it couldn't one of them?

they both town? so they just doing mistakes like me.

I guess. but then it goes back to everyone else then.


yall won't let me vote mog. mog town too tho?


me and my last brain cell don't know how to solve this.


if tim is doing deep wolf then so could you.

heck could be marmot with that cute pfp. ♡


if all the wolves r here in bracket 2 then idk.

idk what to think about hk.

[hollowkatt]

Ok, here me out.
I'm town, G-Man is town, Daisy is town.
I'm fairly confident TSP is woofin. Tim I'm on as wolf b/c of how things have shaken out. There's no specific "here's why Tim is a wolf" post I can make. All I can do there is point at how things have gone, who he's chopped, and that he's pushing for me to die here.

Kyle I'm torn on. I can see him being lackadaisical wolf who's just posting and being happy about posting, and I can see him as disconnected town who's really only gotten into the game over the last 24ish hours or so.
That leaves Marmot and Mogh in teh winners bracket and if either of them are a wolf then I'm just fucked I guess?

I think the best kills today are going to be TSP/Tim/Kyle. If that doesn't flip a single wolf then fuck. If that flips one wolf great, the last wolf is within G-man/daisy/mog/marmot and we have a chance to find them. If we don't flip a wolf today I think we just lose? We'll be merging brackets after tonight which means that wolves will get a traditional NK action so if we flip one wolf today we start "tomorrow" at 4-1 and we have a good shot.
If we dont flip a wolf we start "tomorrow" at 3-2 and have to be right twice in a row.

I think our best chance at getting at least one is tsp/tim/kyle