Fleabag Mafia mafia win

[Dyslexicon]

Technically dizzy doing that is very wolfy

Ok why

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Technically dizzy doing that is very wolfy

Tell me more TonyStarkPrime

[TonyStarkPrime]

Nah Dizzy doing it is very towny

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nah Dizzy doing it is very towny

what is your brain

[TonyStarkPrime]

The double hit claim puts the game in a tough position: you can’t chop both and still chop dizzy if the claim’s false. That said, I considered it a bit and changed my mind: you target both because if either’s a wolf they carried the kill

[Dyslexicon]

I thought either TSP is watcher, or watcher has already showed they are smart enough not to cc a fake claim

[Sloonei]

I’m furreal. I hyped up tony’s claim yesterday in hopes that he would be the poison target and make my life easier.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Update: it’s still wolfy, because if the CC is one of the tracked people you can kill them

[Sloonei]

Is tsp a mafier?

[TonyStarkPrime]

TBH Sloonei apparently you made it too obvious

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m furreal. I hyped up tony’s claim yesterday in hopes that he would be the poison target and make my life easier.

I pretty much treated him like confirmed town so he'd die yes guilty

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sloonei claiming was obviously suboptimal

[TonyStarkPrime]

For multiple reasons

[Dyslexicon]

I was thinking TSP claiming D1 is probably towny. Not sure why he things my claim is scummy, but ok

[Dyslexicon]

Sloonei's claim, however, is very scummy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We should probably put the word "obvious" in the bin.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sloonei is this a lock lock no rescind claim don’t respond to this if not

[TonyStarkPrime]

We should probably put the word "obvious" in the bin.

I’d personally prefer the watcher to not be dying

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If anyone is going to be mechanically-oriented such that they pull the cover claim (and believe it's proper to do so), it'd be Tony. My first instinct would be that he's town.

[Sloonei]

I mean i’m gonna flip in 48 hours. I’m claiming now so we can pursue today with as much information on the table as possible. I’m not going to fake claim in this position. I am the watcher. 100%, not to be rescinded. The game is mountainous from here on out. I appreciated the fake claim yesterday but am skeptical of it today.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ok hardclaim fruit vendor stop worrying about me

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think that was obvious

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Somehow that's the only answer that feels like nothing is gained, but sure fine okay.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yeah it’s all mildly frustrating

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yeah it’s all mildly frustrating

Do you believe it's more likely Sloonei was poisoned because he's Sloonei and was doing Work, or because he was seen as a watcher?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don’t think those things are mutually exclusive

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think the latter is more likely for reasons previously mentioned

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Dyslexicon is there a reason you town read ilario beyond marriage? Can you point to or describe specific things that justify that view?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Those reasons being wolves have an incentive to keep tinfoils alive

[Marmot]

I am poisoned. I am confirmed town about to die. Why would I lie about being the watcher here?

Sometimes, the only thing people can do when they're staring death in the face is crack jokes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think the latter is more likely for reasons previously mentioned

Did you happen to notice any moments in the game that pointed in that direction? If mafia had an inkling then perhaps that can be isolated to a timeline.

[Dyslexicon]

Part of me wonders if we're all too easy on Dizzy. Our town reads follow the same general pattern, and I feel the read as much as y'all seem to feel it. If we're objective though, maybe it's not the most respectful of his mafia skill.

This may be less about Dizzy's alignment and more about trustfall philosophy.

This is why I don't like trustfalls lol

I could tell you exactly what makes me town this game instead of mafia who's playing extremely well, if that is your true worry. But I don't know if that would help you. =p

[Sloonei]

Anyone wanna claim sleepwalker?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is why I don't like trustfalls lol

I could tell you exactly what makes me town this game instead of mafia who's playing extremely well, if that is your true worry. But I don't know if that would help you. =p

It might help me. I am more willing to listen to that kind of thing than many would be.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think the latter is more likely for reasons previously mentioned

Did you happen to notice any moments in the game that pointed in that direction? If mafia had an inkling then perhaps that can be isolated to a timeline.

In what would normally spew me town but which here is is irrelevant, I haven’t been paying enough attention to say

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon is there a reason you town read ilario beyond marriage? Can you point to or describe specific things that justify that view?

I could I've been having the same thought process as him at several points in the game. For example, he shifted his town reads and ended up with the exact same four I had shifted to in my head at the time on D2

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Dyslexicon is there a reason you town read ilario beyond marriage? Can you point to or describe specific things that justify that view?

I could I've been having the same thought process as him at several points in the game. For example, he shifted his town reads and ended up with the exact same four I had shifted to in my head at the time on D2

What's your present state of mind with regard to game state? Do you have significant worries beyond the common POE names, and if so about whom? I know I am asking a lot of questions, so take your time no rush.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think the latter is more likely for reasons previously mentioned

Did you happen to notice any moments in the game that pointed in that direction? If mafia had an inkling then perhaps that can be isolated to a timeline.

In what would normally spew me town but which here is is irrelevant, I haven’t been paying enough attention to say

Any thoughts on NAA's fruit vendor claim/rescind?

I don't find it suspicious. I wish to be cautious before handing out town stickers at this stage.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

1-2 wolves in dolby/g-man, 1 wolf in illario/limecoke, 1-2 wolves in falcon/SoA/TSP

Just bringing this back for reference and thonks.

[Marmot]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around all this mech and the motivations behind each person's choices.

I guess Tony is town and Sloonei is town and Dizzy is who knows what, and we are no longer in a situation where exactly one of Johanna and G-Man is a wolf.

I'm also trying to decide if Dizzy is scum who was planning on turboing anyone who cc'd him, but wasn't expecting it to be Sloonei, an already confirmed town.


I'm leaving in a bit, will process and read back later.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

1-2 wolves in dolby/g-man, 1 wolf in illario/limecoke, 1-2 wolves in falcon/SoA/TSP

perhaps i should amend this to be: "0-1 wolves in illario/lime coke", since we could live in a world where both are villagers

[JaggedJimmyJay]

SPF's teams would have been, at this point, [Dolby, G-Man] + [falcon and/or SoA] + [illario if necessary]. Tony is removed for the fruit vendor claim barring a counter.

I realize SPF isn't infallible, but I trust her judgment and like it as a frame of reference anyway. It's noteworthy that she straight up didn't include Johanna, and I can understand that.

[G-Man]

@G-Man No more thoughts?

Thrilling game of Scrabble Junior was underway at the time. My daughter dropped ‘ripen,’ ‘moor,’ ‘foal,’ and ‘cuer’ like it was no big deal. Proud papa bear tonight!


Seems like this game collapsed like poorly-baked bread since I last posted. I have crazy thoughts on it all as I poke through it.

[Dyslexicon]

It might help me. I am more willing to listen to that kind of thing than many would be.

Ok. It's about my read on Ilario. This kind of emotional read doesn't exist if I'm mafia, and it's not something I fake. I don't fake and encourage that kind of emotional connection as mafia, especially towards a player that is new to me. I do think that would be kind of... I don't know what word to use, but not like me. It's not that I don't believe it's not within the bounds of the game to do that, but it's just not something I would encourage. I'm averse to thinking he's doing that exact thing to me, although if he does, I'm not mad about it, and it's completely fine in a mafia game. I just think most people wouldn't. So that's that. Unless of course, you think we're both mafia lol. Which would be funny, but we're not.

Also, in general terms, if I'm town, I bring a good energy to the game, and as mafia I can't bring that (and often I actually bring a sour energy to the game that makes the game harder on everyone, though it's not always clear where that energy comes from lol (this some deep self meta for you)). I'd say more, but I think that's enough for now =p

[Marmot]

SPF's teams would have been, at this point, [Dolby, G-Man] + [falcon and/or SoA] + [illario if necessary]. Tony is removed for the fruit vendor claim barring a counter.

I realize SPF isn't infallible, but I trust her judgment and like it as a frame of reference anyway. It's noteworthy that she straight up didn't include Johanna, and I can understand that.

Or myself, NAA (he might've had a fruit vendor claim at the time), or you for that matter.

[Dyslexicon]

@G-Man No more thoughts?

Thrilling game of Scrabble Junior was underway at the time. My daughter dropped ‘ripen,’ ‘moor,’ ‘foal,’ and ‘cuer’ like it was no big deal. Proud papa bear tonight!


Seems like this game collapsed like poorly-baked bread since I last posted. I have crazy thoughts on it all as I poke through it.

OMG I love Scrabble

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Unless of course, you think we're both mafia lol. Which would be funny, but we're not.

That's the possibility I am working through right now.

But thanks for explaining. I will think it over in my very own brain.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm also trying to decide if Dizzy is scum who was planning on turboing anyone who cc'd him, but wasn't expecting it to be Sloonei, an already confirmed town.

This makes absolutely no sense lol. Watcher was either outed or had proved they wouldn't cc a fake. I felt that it was safe. I wasn't planning on keeping the claim, just wanted something to happen, and a fight between G-Man and Johanna I thought could be interesting. Felt like I had to start fresh in a way, but I didn't really plan the claim through outside thinking that it was safe enough to do

[Marmot]

It might help me. I am more willing to listen to that kind of thing than many would be.

Ok. It's about my read on Ilario. This kind of emotional read doesn't exist if I'm mafia, and it's not something I fake. I don't fake and encourage that kind of emotional connection as mafia, especially towards a player that is new to me. I do think that would be kind of... I don't know what word to use, but not like me. It's not that I don't believe it's not within the bounds of the game to do that, but it's just not something I would encourage. I'm averse to thinking he's doing that exact thing to me, although if he does, I'm not mad about it, and it's completely fine in a mafia game. I just think most people wouldn't. So that's that. Unless of course, you think we're both mafia lol. Which would be funny, but we're not.

Also, in general terms, if I'm town, I bring a good energy to the game, and as mafia I can't bring that (and often I actually bring a sour energy to the game that makes the game harder on everyone, though it's not always clear where that energy comes from lol (this some deep self meta for you)). I'd say more, but I think that's enough for now =p

I'm uncertain of what you mean by "an emotional read". Could you explain that a little more, or even point to what you mean if you've explained that already?

To me, it sounds like a townie-mindmeld type of deal, but it seems to have more impact on you than that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Or myself, NAA (he might've had a fruit vendor claim at the time), or you for that matter.

I could see SPF swapping Tony for NAA just by virtue of claim dynamics. In purely logical terms that'd probably be a wise move. I think I'd view NAA as a last resort though. It's still hard to find teammates.