The Rings of Power - Game Over

[Creature]

I don't get the dunya wolfreads?

[Moonwink]

Moonwink scumread rising.

Heading off for dinner, but will be back prob 30 minutes before deadline.

You voting for me right now would probably make my wagon viable considering Osie joined it without saying anything in the thread. If you really think I'm scum, vote me. :P Otherwise, let's work together and see if we can agree on someone. This isn't me trying to pocket people -- it's me trying to work with people. :P

[srceenplay]

hk dunya martin
one of them?

Absolutely no to Martin.
Push HK more and get more votes on him, and I'll consider it. The only reason I don't like the wagon at the moment is because I think you're scum, and if that's the case, then HK is most likely town in my opinion, because the HK I've seen today is the town!HK I've seen in other games on d1.
Dunia I'll vote for anytime.

ehh, I'm not a pusher.
Whats great about Martin?

[DaughterOfOmega]

I'm being a hipster. Screenplay has felt more wolf with the posting decreasing. Also I like Marmot

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: hk] aubergine

all other wagons atm (other than scotty/screen) I don't prefer

which is interesting...didn't even look at votes when I made my little list

[osieorb18]

I’d yeet Dunya if we have the votes.

Idk what to do with Mac’s assertion that Nanook, Axe and myself are all top town.

It's not so much the assertion that I like. It's the fact that people are A-Okay with you three being the top wagons. We need to shake things up, I feel like.

I actually actively hate the wagons on dunya and Jack. I'm meh on the Nanook wagon.

[Moonwink]

I don't get the dunya wolfreads?

Yes, which is why flipping Dunya might not be bad, because it'll help us get reads on the people who are wolf-reading her at the moment based on how she flips.

[MartinGG99]

I guess I should do this

[VOTE: Hk/Screen/Scotty] aubergine to make it clearer as to who I would be open to yeeting today out of the current wagons

could in theory have a wagon with no votes started but I get the impression that's unlikely to majority

[Creature]

I don't get the dunya wolfreads?

Yes, which is why flipping Dunya might not be bad, because it'll help us get reads on the people who are wolf-reading her at the moment based on how she flips.

Huh that's bad play

We should prob be going for someone we believe can be wolf

[Moonwink]

I’d yeet Dunya if we have the votes.

Idk what to do with Mac’s assertion that Nanook, Axe and myself are all top town.

It's not so much the assertion that I like. It's the fact that people are A-Okay with you three being the top wagons. We need to shake things up, I feel like.

I actually actively hate the wagons on dunya and Jack. I'm meh on the Nanook wagon.

Okay. Aside from me (and HK, because that's another wagon I'm tired of hearing about), who would you be interested in wagoning at this point? Like, saying "I hate these wagons" is okay, but let's do something about it if you really feel that way.

[srceenplay]

I don't get the dunya wolfreads?

Yes, which is why flipping Dunya might not be bad, because it'll help us get reads on the people who are wolf-reading her at the moment based on how she flips.

Huh that's bad play

We should prob be going for someone we believe can be wolf

probably can't happen without flips. We have dead votes and to many mafia. No information. Everyone seems to be just going on gut/feel reads.

[osieorb18]

Hmm... My scumreads are at least mostly voting for two of my townreads, jack and srceen. My PoE at the very least looks something like (no particular order):

DrWilgy (generally meh), HK (tonal, active lurking), Martin (active lurking, no reads), Moonwink (on a different planet), NAA (active lurking, posturing)

Nanook had a poor response to pressure, but I'm not entirely convinced that they're a good D1 elim. I don't think we get anything more out of that whether they're town or scum.

I doubt that all three players on Jack are scum, though, so that's at least something.

Indifference is my default reaction to "pressure" lol

Except you weren't indifferent. You were flaily.

Tbf, he seemed pretty indifferent.

These three posts don't feel indifferent... Maybe Nanook is just naturally flaily? I wouldn't know.

We should probably be focusing on killing Nanook today.

Doom currently has no votes on them, just saying

@srceenplay How do you feel about a Nanook vote?

This is like asking a toddler how they feel about eating chocolate

I’m gonna be swamped rest of night and my isos are going to have to wait until I have some off time tomorrow.

Can someone sum up why he is being voted that isn’t named NAA?

I'm voting Nanook because he has stated that I am mafia multiple times with zero reasoning to the point that I thought he was joking but here we are approaching eod and he's still voting for me, which all feels scummy.

Also because players I trust have poked there.

Yeah that sounds scummy

[Moonwink]

I guess I should do this

[VOTE: Hk/Screen/Scotty] aubergine to make it clearer as to who I would be open to yeeting today out of the current wagons

could in theory have a wagon with no votes started but I get the impression that's unlikely to majority

In order, I'd vote for Screen -> HK -> Scotty. Scotty came off towny to me when they approached/voted me earlier. I don't have as strong of a read on HK, which is why I'd always vote for HK over Scotty. I've already explained how I feel about Screen -- no need to rehash things unless you absolutely want me to.

[Creature]

Hey everyone! It’s good to be here. I’ll be posting later tonight I’m just finishing up the work day. I’m actually excited.

Also, who is StarV again? NotAnAxehole right? Yeah, my vote is there in spirit haha (I gotta figure out how to actually vote). Until I do, that’s where I’m at.

hey guys sorry I missed out on earlier game play. got super busy with IRL stuff today. I will catch up tomorrow while travelling/ after travelling and post my thoughts

I love how these never happened.

[Moonwink]

I'm being a hipster. Screenplay has felt more wolf with the posting decreasing. Also I like Marmot

I've been crying for a Screenplay wagon for the last ten hours it feels like. They're my #1 preferred chop. I'm super-willing to go there.

[Creature]

Scottish sorta fell off.

[srceenplay]

Hey everyone! It’s good to be here. I’ll be posting later tonight I’m just finishing up the work day. I’m actually excited.

Also, who is StarV again? NotAnAxehole right? Yeah, my vote is there in spirit haha (I gotta figure out how to actually vote). Until I do, that’s where I’m at.

hey guys sorry I missed out on earlier game play. got super busy with IRL stuff today. I will catch up tomorrow while travelling/ after travelling and post my thoughts

I love how these never happened.

Defiantly worth voting off tomorrow if it continues.

[Moonwink]

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

[DaughterOfOmega]

I'm being a hipster. Screenplay has felt more wolf with the posting decreasing. Also I like Marmot

I've been crying for a Screenplay wagon for the last ten hours it feels like. They're my #1 preferred chop. I'm super-willing to go there.

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

Hmm

[Creature]

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

[DaughterOfOmega]

Moonwink been CRYING! It's alright though

[DaughterOfOmega]

If I had a vig, Moonwink would be dead for those 2 posts

[DaughterOfOmega]

If I had a vig, Moonwink would be dead for those 2 posts

[Moonwink]

@DaughterOfOmega
Don't forget about this post, too:

hk dunya martin
one of them?

Absolutely no to Martin.
Push HK more and get more votes on him, and I'll consider it. The only reason I don't like the wagon at the moment is because I think you're scum, and if that's the case, then HK is most likely town in my opinion, because the HK I've seen today is the town!HK I've seen in other games on d1.
Dunia I'll vote for anytime.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I be having those vibes

[hollowkatt]

[VOTE: hk] aubergine

all other wagons atm (other than scotty/screen) I don't prefer

which is interesting...didn't even look at votes when I made my little list

Which is funny b/c I've been sus of srceen for like the entire game but I guess chopping me instead makes more sense? Not sure why though.

[hollowkatt]

I guess I should do this

[VOTE: Hk/Screen/Scotty] aubergine to make it clearer as to who I would be open to yeeting today out of the current wagons

could in theory have a wagon with no votes started but I get the impression that's unlikely to majority

well color me embarrassed or something

[hollowkatt]

If I had a vig, Moonwink would be dead for those 2 posts

we have the power of votes though?

[DaughterOfOmega]

I'd be flabbergasted if HK was mafia, but hey I've been wrong a lot

[MartinGG99]

Just had a little thought experiment

if the mafia somehow intentionally be uncooperative towards majority

then we'd need 2/3rds of town to agree on one person

I have no clue how this affects voting dynamics for scum but I feel like it may

simply because no plurality and thus giving evils a chance to deny town-kills

[Moonwink]

@DaughterOfOmega
And these:

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: hallowkatt] aubergine

wait, I'm doing the harder of the two things and you're voting me for it? or are you voting me b/c I said to scotty idc if he thinks it's lazy

You are entertaining the idea that you are doing the harder and lazy thing?

Calling almost 1/4 of the player group town is over confident and/or scumy to me.

No, YOU said it was the harder of the two things. Scotty said it was Lazy, and I said "I don't care if you think it's lazy, I think it's useful."
How many town reads is too many screenplay? Do you think I'm wrong? Do you think I have TMI? What is it?

Or are you not wanting this many people to be drawing town reads this early b/c that's what I think.

MacDougall is a player in this game.

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

I'll be the decider of that.

the last two times he was a wolf he straight up tried to (and succeeded for a time) in pocketing me.

@hollowkatt I need your help to develop my reads, what would you say is the most prominent/important feature of your scum game? Links with examples plox.

my most important feature is not spewing my team when I die and not picking fights.
my second most important feature is definitely knowing how to count to 1.

Beelzebub Mafia

Bluey Mafia - I did end game this one

AtLA Mafia - seanzie basically ran this show, I was along for the ride.

as to whether or not these are the kinds of examples you're looking for I have no idea.

Pokémon survives as a franchise on nostalgia factor, if it were introduced as a brand new franchise in 2022 it would be considered just another middle of the road game

I agree somewhat. The video game market is too diluted to set a new great franchise like Pokemon and Mario. Glad Pokemon at least got big because its universe is pretty interesting.

I'm a bit bored. Doesn't feel like the game is progressing.

Talks about Pokemon and then in the next post complains that the game isn't progressing.

I haven’t played with creature enough- is apathy a scum trait of his?

early game apathy is creature indicative. Later in the game if the apathy remains it's probs wolf indicative.

Currently:
Doom - town (communicates via smoke signals and the North Star to find Truth)

I could see her being town on general blase purity but I'm not entirely convinced and I'm a little surprised that you have her as one of your strongish townreads at this point.

I don’t know what her scum game looks like, but I’m agreeing with her reads right now.

I could be very wrong, which my D1 reads are wont to be, but ima stick a corncob pipe in it and call it frosty

her scum game is brutal and makes you cry. also pockets you and uses you to her own advantage. No i'm not salty why do you ask?

HK has made a number of posts like this today, which offer little insight into his thought process or what he thinks about the game.

This does not include extended back-and-forths about complaining about reading posts in this game thread.


HK has offered a couple reads.

Spoiler: show

MacDougall is a player in this game.

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

ok let’s try something different:

I activate my uno reverse. Who do you think looks scummy so far?

tbh I don't like your posts much. Your attempt to work yourself into the P1 joke set felt forced. I also think screen is potentially wolfy but that's more along the lines of "I think screen tried to set a trap and failed" more than it is "screen is wolfing".

I played some league and talked about white supremacy with my grandparents, now that I'm wanting to die, I have reached my peak mafia form. Time to carry

unironically going to town read this

But the srceenplay one is, dare I say, hedgey, and the DOOM one is unexplained.


I'm putting HK in the scum pile for now.

So, the former stuff is what I had thought people were taking issue with as far as HK was concerned. If that had been the case, I would have been "lol, doesn't HK, like, never play D1?", but I didn't see the latter stuff until now. I think I'm okay with the srceen read, but if HK is basing his read on Omega on just that post, I'm feeling meh.

With that said, I still feel worse about srceenplay. A bunch of stuff has been posted, and he's actively voting someone who hasn't given many reads, yet hasn't really defended or shown any interest in the people who ARE actually getting wagoned. It smells like an attempt to be seen as pushing as someone who's not a top wagon, so that when one of the top wagons gets chopped, he doesn't have to take any blame for it if they flip town. This is why I want srceenplay to give a read on me.

If he thinks I'm town, I want him to defend me and yell at the people who are wagoning on me. If he thinks I'm scum, I want him to join my wagon and yell to people that I'm scum. That's the least I'm going to ask for if I'm going to remain a top wagon for now. :P

But yeah, as far as my scum pile goes, I'd be okay with chopping any of srceen, Jack, and Axehole. I talked about Axehole earlier -- didn't really like their responses to me and Scotty while they were talking about me.

blah
Creature interacting is not how I remember them playing. From what I remember they always scum coasted. Maybe town coasted as well. They dont feel bad though.

Dunya confident IDGAF what you think feels towny to me but what mac says makes me think twice about it.

Nanook can be voted off

Moonwink idk without going back and rereading.

As the player with the 2nd most votes, I take issue with you not having a read on me, especially when you have your vote on HK, which I feel is a cop out. :< Have I not given enough content yet compared to HK? What is HK doing that I'm not that's grabbing your attention?

I haven't really tried forming a read on you yet. ;-; I figured with Mac and others talking to/about you, I'll have stuff to make a read on you later,

Sassy response. :3 The difference between me and Dunya though is that Dunya isn't one of the top wagons, which is why I don't immediately feel pressured to give a read on her at the moment. I -am- a top wagon, even more so than HK was 12 hours ago, yet you had zero interest in really having any influence in the wagons. THAT is what is scummy to me, not singularly that you don't have a read on me. The latter is just a byproduct of the former.

other news,
I liked omega and wasn't excited about mac.

What don't you like about Mac? From reading page 6, I've locked him in as town.

just paranoid.
they feels forceful

Okay, for real, why haven't you given a read on me? It feels like you're paying attention to other going-ons, but when it comes to the people actually getting wagoned (I'm pretty sure I was the lead wagon at one point), you don't seem to have much interest in leading people to or away from certain wagons?

----

To all: I'd be okay with srceenplay being a secondary wagon instead of me. Put up Jack and srceen and let's see what happens.

you are a null/scum position. Overly explaining your actions sounds like someone who scared of what people think about them. on the flip side it could be you just want people to understand you. IDK never played with you so, so i can sit back and observe and watch it play out more.

You have talked about reaction testing players. What have you gathered from that?

You're still not taking a position on me. Which do you think it is right now? Do you think it's more likely that I'm scared of what people think about me, or do you I'm just trying to get people to understand me? Again, I'm the top wagon, and you look bad to me right now not having any sort of strong alignment read on me right now.

other news,
I liked omega and wasn't excited about mac.

What don't you like about Mac? From reading page 6, I've locked him in as town.

just paranoid.
they feels forceful

Okay, for real, why haven't you given a read on me? It feels like you're paying attention to other going-ons, but when it comes to the people actually getting wagoned (I'm pretty sure I was the lead wagon at one point), you don't seem to have much interest in leading people to or away from certain wagons?

----

To all: I'd be okay with srceenplay being a secondary wagon instead of me. Put up Jack and srceen and let's see what happens.

I’d be fine with it because it means Screen goes over.

That would be my hope, yes. Because I would certainly be voting Screen over you in that case.

I take back my town read on srceen atm

Also trying to teach my phone srceen is the new screen

Is she talking about your scum-partner? :P

As Scotty has not responded to my plea. Screenplay has received my vote. Let the 4 way tie commence.

Nah. I'm always voting Screenplay here, lol. Sorry friendo. <3

[VOTE: Screenplay] aubergine

You know why that sounded sassy? Because I copied pasted your reply from basically the same question asked of you.

I'm still indifferent on you and think you could go either way.
I don't want to vote on the same wagon as you because of my uneasiness.
Your not a top scum that I think need to be lynched.
I will vote you towards end of the day if thats what we need for a wagon to go through.

Yes, I know it was copied and pasted from my reply to Dunya. That's why I explained in my post why it was appropriate in my case and super-scummy when you used it towards me. Again, Dunya is NOT a top wagon -- if she was, I would have formed a read on her right there and then. Since she's not at risk of being chopped, I've got time to make a read on her (unless she gets nightkilled n1, in which case, it doesn't really matter what my read on her is).

I, on the otherhand, AM a top wagon, and I don't want you to get away with not having an opinion on me and my alignment if I'm the one that gets chopped today. THAT is why I think your copy-pasted response is scummy when used towards me, but not so when I used it towards Dunya.

I can go further back if you really want me to. :3 Again, I've been pushing Screen for a while now. The only reason why I switched gears is because it didn't seem like anybody was listening to me and I really want to get to the 51% votes we need to chop someone today.

[DaughterOfOmega]

If I had a vig, Moonwink would be dead for those 2 posts

we have the power of votes though?

It's true

[osieorb18]

[VOTE: Moonwink] aubergine

The HK wagon looks a hell of a lot worse than it did before.

I'm leaning a little stronger on scumreads of Martin and NAA, but I'm thinking that might be personal bias since I'm not seeing much else in the way of scumreads in those directions.

FYI, the later a vote stays on me, the more likely it is to be from a wolf.

There 's more ego in this post than there is intent to find scum. I don't like that.

Why is that like....bad?

I mean if I have the facts straight this is being said at a time where Jack has 3-4 votes, so he's implicating a small number of people here rather than just making a generalization that cannot find scum.

It reads to me like he's threatening to scumread players who don't move their votes off of him pre-emptively.

I guess it could come from town too, that just isn't the vibe I got.

Huh. I think I believe that you believe this, but I don't think I believe it myself.

Getting 51% of votes on one player in a game with a 70-postcap is going to be a nightmare. I don't like this mechanic already.

We can convince the people with 70+ posts to change their vote via tagging them.

hk dunya martin
one of them?

Martin! Yes! HK is ehh but Martin is blech. Dunya seems townie.

I can't tell if osie over-representint his familiarity with my play is super townie or super scummy

Over-representing? I'm actively not very familiar with your play.

And yet you're making judgments on it reliant on knowledge of my play. Smh

Nah. That implies any certainty in my read on you this game and I have you at the scummy side of null.

Absolutely no to Martin.

Moonwink+Martin W/W gogogo

[DaughterOfOmega]

@DaughterOfOmega
And these:

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: hallowkatt] aubergine

wait, I'm doing the harder of the two things and you're voting me for it? or are you voting me b/c I said to scotty idc if he thinks it's lazy

You are entertaining the idea that you are doing the harder and lazy thing?

Calling almost 1/4 of the player group town is over confident and/or scumy to me.

No, YOU said it was the harder of the two things. Scotty said it was Lazy, and I said "I don't care if you think it's lazy, I think it's useful."
How many town reads is too many screenplay? Do you think I'm wrong? Do you think I have TMI? What is it?

Or are you not wanting this many people to be drawing town reads this early b/c that's what I think.

MacDougall is a player in this game.

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

I'll be the decider of that.

the last two times he was a wolf he straight up tried to (and succeeded for a time) in pocketing me.

@hollowkatt I need your help to develop my reads, what would you say is the most prominent/important feature of your scum game? Links with examples plox.

my most important feature is not spewing my team when I die and not picking fights.
my second most important feature is definitely knowing how to count to 1.

Beelzebub Mafia

Bluey Mafia - I did end game this one

AtLA Mafia - seanzie basically ran this show, I was along for the ride.

as to whether or not these are the kinds of examples you're looking for I have no idea.

I agree somewhat. The video game market is too diluted to set a new great franchise like Pokemon and Mario. Glad Pokemon at least got big because its universe is pretty interesting.

I'm a bit bored. Doesn't feel like the game is progressing.

Talks about Pokemon and then in the next post complains that the game isn't progressing.

I haven’t played with creature enough- is apathy a scum trait of his?

early game apathy is creature indicative. Later in the game if the apathy remains it's probs wolf indicative.

Currently:
Doom - town (communicates via smoke signals and the North Star to find Truth)

I could see her being town on general blase purity but I'm not entirely convinced and I'm a little surprised that you have her as one of your strongish townreads at this point.

I don’t know what her scum game looks like, but I’m agreeing with her reads right now.

I could be very wrong, which my D1 reads are wont to be, but ima stick a corncob pipe in it and call it frosty

her scum game is brutal and makes you cry. also pockets you and uses you to her own advantage. No i'm not salty why do you ask?

HK has made a number of posts like this today, which offer little insight into his thought process or what he thinks about the game.

This does not include extended back-and-forths about complaining about reading posts in this game thread.


HK has offered a couple reads.

Spoiler: show

MacDougall is a player in this game.

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

ok let’s try something different:

I activate my uno reverse. Who do you think looks scummy so far?

tbh I don't like your posts much. Your attempt to work yourself into the P1 joke set felt forced. I also think screen is potentially wolfy but that's more along the lines of "I think screen tried to set a trap and failed" more than it is "screen is wolfing".

I played some league and talked about white supremacy with my grandparents, now that I'm wanting to die, I have reached my peak mafia form. Time to carry

unironically going to town read this

But the srceenplay one is, dare I say, hedgey, and the DOOM one is unexplained.


I'm putting HK in the scum pile for now.

So, the former stuff is what I had thought people were taking issue with as far as HK was concerned. If that had been the case, I would have been "lol, doesn't HK, like, never play D1?", but I didn't see the latter stuff until now. I think I'm okay with the srceen read, but if HK is basing his read on Omega on just that post, I'm feeling meh.

With that said, I still feel worse about srceenplay. A bunch of stuff has been posted, and he's actively voting someone who hasn't given many reads, yet hasn't really defended or shown any interest in the people who ARE actually getting wagoned. It smells like an attempt to be seen as pushing as someone who's not a top wagon, so that when one of the top wagons gets chopped, he doesn't have to take any blame for it if they flip town. This is why I want srceenplay to give a read on me.

If he thinks I'm town, I want him to defend me and yell at the people who are wagoning on me. If he thinks I'm scum, I want him to join my wagon and yell to people that I'm scum. That's the least I'm going to ask for if I'm going to remain a top wagon for now. :P

But yeah, as far as my scum pile goes, I'd be okay with chopping any of srceen, Jack, and Axehole. I talked about Axehole earlier -- didn't really like their responses to me and Scotty while they were talking about me.

blah
Creature interacting is not how I remember them playing. From what I remember they always scum coasted. Maybe town coasted as well. They dont feel bad though.

Dunya confident IDGAF what you think feels towny to me but what mac says makes me think twice about it.

Nanook can be voted off

Moonwink idk without going back and rereading.

As the player with the 2nd most votes, I take issue with you not having a read on me, especially when you have your vote on HK, which I feel is a cop out. :< Have I not given enough content yet compared to HK? What is HK doing that I'm not that's grabbing your attention?

I haven't really tried forming a read on you yet. ;-; I figured with Mac and others talking to/about you, I'll have stuff to make a read on you later,

Sassy response. :3 The difference between me and Dunya though is that Dunya isn't one of the top wagons, which is why I don't immediately feel pressured to give a read on her at the moment. I -am- a top wagon, even more so than HK was 12 hours ago, yet you had zero interest in really having any influence in the wagons. THAT is what is scummy to me, not singularly that you don't have a read on me. The latter is just a byproduct of the former.

other news,
I liked omega and wasn't excited about mac.

What don't you like about Mac? From reading page 6, I've locked him in as town.

just paranoid.
they feels forceful

Okay, for real, why haven't you given a read on me? It feels like you're paying attention to other going-ons, but when it comes to the people actually getting wagoned (I'm pretty sure I was the lead wagon at one point), you don't seem to have much interest in leading people to or away from certain wagons?

----

To all: I'd be okay with srceenplay being a secondary wagon instead of me. Put up Jack and srceen and let's see what happens.

you are a null/scum position. Overly explaining your actions sounds like someone who scared of what people think about them. on the flip side it could be you just want people to understand you. IDK never played with you so, so i can sit back and observe and watch it play out more.

You have talked about reaction testing players. What have you gathered from that?

You're still not taking a position on me. Which do you think it is right now? Do you think it's more likely that I'm scared of what people think about me, or do you I'm just trying to get people to understand me? Again, I'm the top wagon, and you look bad to me right now not having any sort of strong alignment read on me right now.

other news,
I liked omega and wasn't excited about mac.

What don't you like about Mac? From reading page 6, I've locked him in as town.

just paranoid.
they feels forceful

Okay, for real, why haven't you given a read on me? It feels like you're paying attention to other going-ons, but when it comes to the people actually getting wagoned (I'm pretty sure I was the lead wagon at one point), you don't seem to have much interest in leading people to or away from certain wagons?

----

To all: I'd be okay with srceenplay being a secondary wagon instead of me. Put up Jack and srceen and let's see what happens.

I’d be fine with it because it means Screen goes over.

That would be my hope, yes. Because I would certainly be voting Screen over you in that case.

I take back my town read on srceen atm

Also trying to teach my phone srceen is the new screen

Is she talking about your scum-partner? :P

As Scotty has not responded to my plea. Screenplay has received my vote. Let the 4 way tie commence.

Nah. I'm always voting Screenplay here, lol. Sorry friendo. <3

[VOTE: Screenplay] aubergine

You know why that sounded sassy? Because I copied pasted your reply from basically the same question asked of you.

I'm still indifferent on you and think you could go either way.
I don't want to vote on the same wagon as you because of my uneasiness.
Your not a top scum that I think need to be lynched.
I will vote you towards end of the day if thats what we need for a wagon to go through.

Yes, I know it was copied and pasted from my reply to Dunya. That's why I explained in my post why it was appropriate in my case and super-scummy when you used it towards me. Again, Dunya is NOT a top wagon -- if she was, I would have formed a read on her right there and then. Since she's not at risk of being chopped, I've got time to make a read on her (unless she gets nightkilled n1, in which case, it doesn't really matter what my read on her is).

I, on the otherhand, AM a top wagon, and I don't want you to get away with not having an opinion on me and my alignment if I'm the one that gets chopped today. THAT is why I think your copy-pasted response is scummy when used towards me, but not so when I used it towards Dunya.

I can go further back if you really want me to. :3 Again, I've been pushing Screen for a while now. The only reason why I switched gears is because it didn't seem like anybody was listening to me and I really want to get to the 51% votes we need to chop someone today.

"I didn't think anyone was also going on screen play"

Screenplay had the second most votes before I left his wagon

Do you see my dismay

[hollowkatt]

I'd be flabbergasted if HK was mafia, but hey I've been wrong a lot

yeah me too (the flabbergasted thing, not the wrong thing)

I still think mac is town for bad reasons and I think his push on dunya is weird but not wolfy of him.
The whole nanook thing still is weird to me, like why was he even a wagon today. Nothing I saw was out of the ordinary for town nanook.

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: hk] aubergine

all other wagons atm (other than scotty/screen) I don't prefer

which is interesting...didn't even look at votes when I made my little list

Which is funny b/c I've been sus of srceen for like the entire game but I guess chopping me instead makes more sense? Not sure why though.

well at the time you had 3 votes while the others in that group had 1

we might have time to test the others though I suppose

[VOTE: screen] aubergine

[hollowkatt]

wants to wagon srceen like forever, doesn't, wagons me instead.
[VOTE: moonwink] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

I'll be honest

I kinda don't know what I'm doing here

[hollowkatt]

[VOTE: hk] aubergine

all other wagons atm (other than scotty/screen) I don't prefer

which is interesting...didn't even look at votes when I made my little list

Which is funny b/c I've been sus of srceen for like the entire game but I guess chopping me instead makes more sense? Not sure why though.

well at the time you had 3 votes while the others in that group had 1

we might have time to test the others though I suppose

[VOTE: screen] aubergine

wants to wagon srceen like forever, doesn't, wagons me instead.
[VOTE: moonwink] aubergine

lulz

[DaughterOfOmega]

How Moonwink reacted to HK/Screen makes me think neither are mafia

[hollowkatt]

I'll be honest

I kinda don't know what I'm doing here

ikr

[hollowkatt]

I should read more ISOs but I just don't wanna.

[Moonwink]

@DaughterOfOmega
And these:

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

wait, I'm doing the harder of the two things and you're voting me for it? or are you voting me b/c I said to scotty idc if he thinks it's lazy

You are entertaining the idea that you are doing the harder and lazy thing?

Calling almost 1/4 of the player group town is over confident and/or scumy to me.

No, YOU said it was the harder of the two things. Scotty said it was Lazy, and I said "I don't care if you think it's lazy, I think it's useful."
How many town reads is too many screenplay? Do you think I'm wrong? Do you think I have TMI? What is it?

Or are you not wanting this many people to be drawing town reads this early b/c that's what I think.

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

I'll be the decider of that.

the last two times he was a wolf he straight up tried to (and succeeded for a time) in pocketing me.

@hollowkatt I need your help to develop my reads, what would you say is the most prominent/important feature of your scum game? Links with examples plox.

my most important feature is not spewing my team when I die and not picking fights.
my second most important feature is definitely knowing how to count to 1.

Beelzebub Mafia

Bluey Mafia - I did end game this one

AtLA Mafia - seanzie basically ran this show, I was along for the ride.

as to whether or not these are the kinds of examples you're looking for I have no idea.

Talks about Pokemon and then in the next post complains that the game isn't progressing.

I haven’t played with creature enough- is apathy a scum trait of his?

early game apathy is creature indicative. Later in the game if the apathy remains it's probs wolf indicative.

I could see her being town on general blase purity but I'm not entirely convinced and I'm a little surprised that you have her as one of your strongish townreads at this point.

I don’t know what her scum game looks like, but I’m agreeing with her reads right now.

I could be very wrong, which my D1 reads are wont to be, but ima stick a corncob pipe in it and call it frosty

her scum game is brutal and makes you cry. also pockets you and uses you to her own advantage. No i'm not salty why do you ask?

HK has made a number of posts like this today, which offer little insight into his thought process or what he thinks about the game.

This does not include extended back-and-forths about complaining about reading posts in this game thread.


HK has offered a couple reads.

Spoiler: show

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

ok let’s try something different:

I activate my uno reverse. Who do you think looks scummy so far?

tbh I don't like your posts much. Your attempt to work yourself into the P1 joke set felt forced. I also think screen is potentially wolfy but that's more along the lines of "I think screen tried to set a trap and failed" more than it is "screen is wolfing".

I played some league and talked about white supremacy with my grandparents, now that I'm wanting to die, I have reached my peak mafia form. Time to carry

unironically going to town read this

But the srceenplay one is, dare I say, hedgey, and the DOOM one is unexplained.


I'm putting HK in the scum pile for now.

So, the former stuff is what I had thought people were taking issue with as far as HK was concerned. If that had been the case, I would have been "lol, doesn't HK, like, never play D1?", but I didn't see the latter stuff until now. I think I'm okay with the srceen read, but if HK is basing his read on Omega on just that post, I'm feeling meh.

With that said, I still feel worse about srceenplay. A bunch of stuff has been posted, and he's actively voting someone who hasn't given many reads, yet hasn't really defended or shown any interest in the people who ARE actually getting wagoned. It smells like an attempt to be seen as pushing as someone who's not a top wagon, so that when one of the top wagons gets chopped, he doesn't have to take any blame for it if they flip town. This is why I want srceenplay to give a read on me.

If he thinks I'm town, I want him to defend me and yell at the people who are wagoning on me. If he thinks I'm scum, I want him to join my wagon and yell to people that I'm scum. That's the least I'm going to ask for if I'm going to remain a top wagon for now. :P

But yeah, as far as my scum pile goes, I'd be okay with chopping any of srceen, Jack, and Axehole. I talked about Axehole earlier -- didn't really like their responses to me and Scotty while they were talking about me.

blah
Creature interacting is not how I remember them playing. From what I remember they always scum coasted. Maybe town coasted as well. They dont feel bad though.

Dunya confident IDGAF what you think feels towny to me but what mac says makes me think twice about it.

Nanook can be voted off

Moonwink idk without going back and rereading.

As the player with the 2nd most votes, I take issue with you not having a read on me, especially when you have your vote on HK, which I feel is a cop out. :< Have I not given enough content yet compared to HK? What is HK doing that I'm not that's grabbing your attention?

I haven't really tried forming a read on you yet. ;-; I figured with Mac and others talking to/about you, I'll have stuff to make a read on you later,

Sassy response. :3 The difference between me and Dunya though is that Dunya isn't one of the top wagons, which is why I don't immediately feel pressured to give a read on her at the moment. I -am- a top wagon, even more so than HK was 12 hours ago, yet you had zero interest in really having any influence in the wagons. THAT is what is scummy to me, not singularly that you don't have a read on me. The latter is just a byproduct of the former.

What don't you like about Mac? From reading page 6, I've locked him in as town.

just paranoid.
they feels forceful

Okay, for real, why haven't you given a read on me? It feels like you're paying attention to other going-ons, but when it comes to the people actually getting wagoned (I'm pretty sure I was the lead wagon at one point), you don't seem to have much interest in leading people to or away from certain wagons?

----

To all: I'd be okay with srceenplay being a secondary wagon instead of me. Put up Jack and srceen and let's see what happens.

you are a null/scum position. Overly explaining your actions sounds like someone who scared of what people think about them. on the flip side it could be you just want people to understand you. IDK never played with you so, so i can sit back and observe and watch it play out more.

You have talked about reaction testing players. What have you gathered from that?

You're still not taking a position on me. Which do you think it is right now? Do you think it's more likely that I'm scared of what people think about me, or do you I'm just trying to get people to understand me? Again, I'm the top wagon, and you look bad to me right now not having any sort of strong alignment read on me right now.

What don't you like about Mac? From reading page 6, I've locked him in as town.

just paranoid.
they feels forceful

Okay, for real, why haven't you given a read on me? It feels like you're paying attention to other going-ons, but when it comes to the people actually getting wagoned (I'm pretty sure I was the lead wagon at one point), you don't seem to have much interest in leading people to or away from certain wagons?

----

To all: I'd be okay with srceenplay being a secondary wagon instead of me. Put up Jack and srceen and let's see what happens.

I’d be fine with it because it means Screen goes over.

That would be my hope, yes. Because I would certainly be voting Screen over you in that case.

I take back my town read on srceen atm

Also trying to teach my phone srceen is the new screen

Is she talking about your scum-partner? :P

As Scotty has not responded to my plea. Screenplay has received my vote. Let the 4 way tie commence.

Nah. I'm always voting Screenplay here, lol. Sorry friendo. <3

[VOTE: Screenplay] aubergine

You know why that sounded sassy? Because I copied pasted your reply from basically the same question asked of you.

I'm still indifferent on you and think you could go either way.
I don't want to vote on the same wagon as you because of my uneasiness.
Your not a top scum that I think need to be lynched.
I will vote you towards end of the day if thats what we need for a wagon to go through.

Yes, I know it was copied and pasted from my reply to Dunya. That's why I explained in my post why it was appropriate in my case and super-scummy when you used it towards me. Again, Dunya is NOT a top wagon -- if she was, I would have formed a read on her right there and then. Since she's not at risk of being chopped, I've got time to make a read on her (unless she gets nightkilled n1, in which case, it doesn't really matter what my read on her is).

I, on the otherhand, AM a top wagon, and I don't want you to get away with not having an opinion on me and my alignment if I'm the one that gets chopped today. THAT is why I think your copy-pasted response is scummy when used towards me, but not so when I used it towards Dunya.

I can go further back if you really want me to. :3 Again, I've been pushing Screen for a while now. The only reason why I switched gears is because it didn't seem like anybody was listening to me and I really want to get to the 51% votes we need to chop someone today.

"I didn't think anyone was also going on screen play"

Screenplay had the second most votes before I left his wagon

Do you see my dismay

[VOTE: Screen] aubergine
Vote for screen. If you don't, I'm going to take your sudden push on Screen as disingenuous and as an attempt to shade me.
Otherwise, I'm staying on the wagon with the most votes.

[osieorb18]

I’d yeet Dunya if we have the votes.

Idk what to do with Mac’s assertion that Nanook, Axe and myself are all top town.

It's not so much the assertion that I like. It's the fact that people are A-Okay with you three being the top wagons. We need to shake things up, I feel like.

I actually actively hate the wagons on dunya and Jack. I'm meh on the Nanook wagon.

Okay. Aside from me (and HK, because that's another wagon I'm tired of hearing about), who would you be interested in wagoning at this point? Like, saying "I hate these wagons" is okay, but let's do something about it if you really feel that way.

DrWilgy/MartinGG99/Moonwink/NAA is my current shortlist PoE.

[hollowkatt]

@DaughterOfOmega
And these:

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

You are entertaining the idea that you are doing the harder and lazy thing?

Calling almost 1/4 of the player group town is over confident and/or scumy to me.

No, YOU said it was the harder of the two things. Scotty said it was Lazy, and I said "I don't care if you think it's lazy, I think it's useful."
How many town reads is too many screenplay? Do you think I'm wrong? Do you think I have TMI? What is it?

Or are you not wanting this many people to be drawing town reads this early b/c that's what I think.

I'll be the decider of that.

the last two times he was a wolf he straight up tried to (and succeeded for a time) in pocketing me.

@hollowkatt I need your help to develop my reads, what would you say is the most prominent/important feature of your scum game? Links with examples plox.

my most important feature is not spewing my team when I die and not picking fights.
my second most important feature is definitely knowing how to count to 1.

Beelzebub Mafia

Bluey Mafia - I did end game this one

AtLA Mafia - seanzie basically ran this show, I was along for the ride.

as to whether or not these are the kinds of examples you're looking for I have no idea.

I haven’t played with creature enough- is apathy a scum trait of his?

early game apathy is creature indicative. Later in the game if the apathy remains it's probs wolf indicative.

I don’t know what her scum game looks like, but I’m agreeing with her reads right now.

I could be very wrong, which my D1 reads are wont to be, but ima stick a corncob pipe in it and call it frosty

her scum game is brutal and makes you cry. also pockets you and uses you to her own advantage. No i'm not salty why do you ask?

HK has made a number of posts like this today, which offer little insight into his thought process or what he thinks about the game.

This does not include extended back-and-forths about complaining about reading posts in this game thread.


HK has offered a couple reads.

Spoiler: show

ok let’s try something different:

I activate my uno reverse. Who do you think looks scummy so far?

tbh I don't like your posts much. Your attempt to work yourself into the P1 joke set felt forced. I also think screen is potentially wolfy but that's more along the lines of "I think screen tried to set a trap and failed" more than it is "screen is wolfing".

I played some league and talked about white supremacy with my grandparents, now that I'm wanting to die, I have reached my peak mafia form. Time to carry

unironically going to town read this

But the srceenplay one is, dare I say, hedgey, and the DOOM one is unexplained.


I'm putting HK in the scum pile for now.

So, the former stuff is what I had thought people were taking issue with as far as HK was concerned. If that had been the case, I would have been "lol, doesn't HK, like, never play D1?", but I didn't see the latter stuff until now. I think I'm okay with the srceen read, but if HK is basing his read on Omega on just that post, I'm feeling meh.

With that said, I still feel worse about srceenplay. A bunch of stuff has been posted, and he's actively voting someone who hasn't given many reads, yet hasn't really defended or shown any interest in the people who ARE actually getting wagoned. It smells like an attempt to be seen as pushing as someone who's not a top wagon, so that when one of the top wagons gets chopped, he doesn't have to take any blame for it if they flip town. This is why I want srceenplay to give a read on me.

If he thinks I'm town, I want him to defend me and yell at the people who are wagoning on me. If he thinks I'm scum, I want him to join my wagon and yell to people that I'm scum. That's the least I'm going to ask for if I'm going to remain a top wagon for now. :P

But yeah, as far as my scum pile goes, I'd be okay with chopping any of srceen, Jack, and Axehole. I talked about Axehole earlier -- didn't really like their responses to me and Scotty while they were talking about me.

blah
Creature interacting is not how I remember them playing. From what I remember they always scum coasted. Maybe town coasted as well. They dont feel bad though.

Dunya confident IDGAF what you think feels towny to me but what mac says makes me think twice about it.

Nanook can be voted off

Moonwink idk without going back and rereading.

As the player with the 2nd most votes, I take issue with you not having a read on me, especially when you have your vote on HK, which I feel is a cop out. :< Have I not given enough content yet compared to HK? What is HK doing that I'm not that's grabbing your attention?

I haven't really tried forming a read on you yet. ;-; I figured with Mac and others talking to/about you, I'll have stuff to make a read on you later,

Sassy response. :3 The difference between me and Dunya though is that Dunya isn't one of the top wagons, which is why I don't immediately feel pressured to give a read on her at the moment. I -am- a top wagon, even more so than HK was 12 hours ago, yet you had zero interest in really having any influence in the wagons. THAT is what is scummy to me, not singularly that you don't have a read on me. The latter is just a byproduct of the former.

just paranoid.
they feels forceful

Okay, for real, why haven't you given a read on me? It feels like you're paying attention to other going-ons, but when it comes to the people actually getting wagoned (I'm pretty sure I was the lead wagon at one point), you don't seem to have much interest in leading people to or away from certain wagons?

----

To all: I'd be okay with srceenplay being a secondary wagon instead of me. Put up Jack and srceen and let's see what happens.

you are a null/scum position. Overly explaining your actions sounds like someone who scared of what people think about them. on the flip side it could be you just want people to understand you. IDK never played with you so, so i can sit back and observe and watch it play out more.

You have talked about reaction testing players. What have you gathered from that?

You're still not taking a position on me. Which do you think it is right now? Do you think it's more likely that I'm scared of what people think about me, or do you I'm just trying to get people to understand me? Again, I'm the top wagon, and you look bad to me right now not having any sort of strong alignment read on me right now.

just paranoid.
they feels forceful

Okay, for real, why haven't you given a read on me? It feels like you're paying attention to other going-ons, but when it comes to the people actually getting wagoned (I'm pretty sure I was the lead wagon at one point), you don't seem to have much interest in leading people to or away from certain wagons?

----

To all: I'd be okay with srceenplay being a secondary wagon instead of me. Put up Jack and srceen and let's see what happens.

I’d be fine with it because it means Screen goes over.

That would be my hope, yes. Because I would certainly be voting Screen over you in that case.

I take back my town read on srceen atm

Also trying to teach my phone srceen is the new screen

Is she talking about your scum-partner? :P

As Scotty has not responded to my plea. Screenplay has received my vote. Let the 4 way tie commence.

Nah. I'm always voting Screenplay here, lol. Sorry friendo. <3

[VOTE: Screenplay] aubergine

You know why that sounded sassy? Because I copied pasted your reply from basically the same question asked of you.

I'm still indifferent on you and think you could go either way.
I don't want to vote on the same wagon as you because of my uneasiness.
Your not a top scum that I think need to be lynched.
I will vote you towards end of the day if thats what we need for a wagon to go through.

Yes, I know it was copied and pasted from my reply to Dunya. That's why I explained in my post why it was appropriate in my case and super-scummy when you used it towards me. Again, Dunya is NOT a top wagon -- if she was, I would have formed a read on her right there and then. Since she's not at risk of being chopped, I've got time to make a read on her (unless she gets nightkilled n1, in which case, it doesn't really matter what my read on her is).

I, on the otherhand, AM a top wagon, and I don't want you to get away with not having an opinion on me and my alignment if I'm the one that gets chopped today. THAT is why I think your copy-pasted response is scummy when used towards me, but not so when I used it towards Dunya.

I can go further back if you really want me to. :3 Again, I've been pushing Screen for a while now. The only reason why I switched gears is because it didn't seem like anybody was listening to me and I really want to get to the 51% votes we need to chop someone today.

"I didn't think anyone was also going on screen play"

Screenplay had the second most votes before I left his wagon

Do you see my dismay

[VOTE: Screen] aubergine
Vote for screen. If you don't, I'm going to take your sudden push on Screen as disingenuous and as an attempt to shade me.
Otherwise, I'm staying on the wagon with the most votes.

why did it take you being tied for top wagon to vote your top wolf read?

[osieorb18]

If I had a vig, Moonwink would be dead for those 2 posts

If I had a vig, Moonwink would be dead for those 2 posts

If I had a "duplicate-post" vig...

[DaughterOfOmega]

I was hoping Moonwink stood their ground on voting HK, it would be the towny thing to do.

Them swapping who they vote because I call them mafia for it only worsens my view of them


UGH

[hollowkatt]

I’d yeet Dunya if we have the votes.

Idk what to do with Mac’s assertion that Nanook, Axe and myself are all top town.

It's not so much the assertion that I like. It's the fact that people are A-Okay with you three being the top wagons. We need to shake things up, I feel like.

I actually actively hate the wagons on dunya and Jack. I'm meh on the Nanook wagon.

Okay. Aside from me (and HK, because that's another wagon I'm tired of hearing about), who would you be interested in wagoning at this point? Like, saying "I hate these wagons" is okay, but let's do something about it if you really feel that way.

DrWilgy/MartinGG99/Moonwink/NAA is my current shortlist PoE.

martin I feel ok about, same with naa. moonwink I think is playing this eod really wolfy, and wigly I have no opinion on.
Talk to me about martin maybe?

[osieorb18]

I'd be flabbergasted if HK was mafia, but hey I've been wrong a lot

Same.

[Moonwink]

Okay, so, I'm giving you guys permission to chop me today, especially if it can unite town.
Once I flip, please take looks at Screen and DOOM. Maybe HK, too, since it felt like the push got SUPER strong against me the moment HK took the lead.
[VOTE: Moonwink] aubergine