The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:55 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:49 pm I looked into LC earlier -- I was also thinking that his MR interactions didn't look great, but then I saw that one post of his during the flavor-alignment discussion that I just could never see coming from non-town. Maybe I shouldn't put as much stock in that as I am though.

Please requote it. I have the memory of a koala.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

My own role is one that I would immediately assume is an evil role, but I'm a civilian. That's why I thought that the teams are probably divided among infected and uninfected, or something.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:40 pm I don't like the Sloonei secret lynch it seems wrong. I agree that we need to resolve the slot and having inactives towards game-end can be problematic, but it's still relatively early. There's no reason to assume long term that the slot will remain empty.

My scum reads converging on it as an option suggests that we have the possibility of double scum lynch in our options range here.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:40 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:55 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:49 pm I looked into LC earlier -- I was also thinking that his MR interactions didn't look great, but then I saw that one post of his during the flavor-alignment discussion that I just could never see coming from non-town. Maybe I shouldn't put as much stock in that as I am though.

Please requote it. I have the memory of a koala.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

My own role is one that I would immediately assume is an evil role, but I'm a civilian. That's why I thought that the teams are probably divided among infected and uninfected, or something.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:21 am Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:43 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:21 am Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

and this one too speedchuck, the fact that he was the one who brought up this point makes me think his perspective on this was pure. I think the later statement I quoted above really sealed it for me though. Thinking about it again and now knowing MR's mafia role, I suppose he could have been coming from the perspective of knowing that the scum roles were not necessarily really "bad" and figured there might be town roles that aren't totally "good" and did this in hopes of getting some credit, but that seems far fetched even for LC imo.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:29 pm I’m not giving credit to Wilgy for scumreading a player who died 20 hours prior. That info would be all over scumchat. It’s a really easy thing to fake and it doesn’t move my read of him at all.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:29 pm I’m not giving credit to Wilgy for scumreading a player who died 20 hours prior. That info would be all over scumchat. It’s a really easy thing to fake and it doesn’t move my read of him at all.

Jack are you arguing for him to be the secret vote instead of Sloonei?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:41 pm Some questions to consider:

If nutella is scum, would she be as up-front-and-center as she is now? Kinda powerwolfing if so, even if she's suspected.

If MP is town (regardless of nutella's alignment) would he be voting only based on who he can save and who he trusts rather than, IDK, actually having reads of his own?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:39 pm Regardless of if you accept the derp clear or not, sloonei is a better secret vote given that wilgy is at least playing now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm Consider if Sloonei is the type of player to watch teammate Radish get blasted and teammate Nutella or MP get hanged up on and then replace out after a few posts.

I don’t think he is. A Nutella/Sloonei lynch is similar to a Nutella/Juliets lynch. It’s unlikely to catch two wolves. More likely to catch one even if we’re wrong on our main suspect.

I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm Consider if Sloonei is the type of player to watch teammate Radish get blasted and teammate Nutella or MP get hanged up on and then replace out after a few posts.

I don’t think he is. A Nutella/Sloonei lynch is similar to a Nutella/Juliets lynch. It’s unlikely to catch two wolves. More likely to catch one even if we’re wrong on our main suspect.

I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:01 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:05 pm I will shoot Sloonei if that's the consensus. He might be bad. He might have bowed back out due to the extra pressures of being bad. He might be Civ, and the secret votes will be unanimous. We can't let him get to Final 3 either way, right?

Shoot?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm
I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm
I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.

How so??


Generally I am thinking it's less and less likely that Sloonei is scum here. Especially from his latest post. I don't think he would just resign like that as scum after MR's death, unless his teammate is really deep.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:21 pm Okay so jack voted sig, apparently. I was one of the MR voters, and I'm not on my own readlist. Sorry for the confusion.

Anywho.

Nanook voted Sig for self Prez. I suspect everyone else who voted Sig except Jack.
Why DID you vote Sig, Jack?

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:46 pm Here's where I'm at

Long Con
Master Radishes
112
Hyena
juliets
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
sig
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Poison Chan
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime
M Plus 7

Damn I forgot Wilgy was even in the game, lol. Also had a hard time placing Jack as he hasn't said much of substance yet. Keeping an eye out for him.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine I feel more secure in this than in a Tony vote atm.

Hey, you beat me to it, lol.

I'll support you and Speed here.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:56 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:21 pm Okay so jack voted sig, apparently. I was one of the MR voters, and I'm not on my own readlist. Sorry for the confusion.

Anywho.

Nanook voted Sig for self Prez. I suspect everyone else who voted Sig except Jack.
Why DID you vote Sig, Jack?

Cause I townread Tony and MP and didn’t have time to actually catch up.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:42 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:40 pm Also, I'm getting the vibe that Speedchuck and Nutella are NOT mafia together in spite of both of them being against going for lurkers. If Poison, or their slot, ever flip mafia though, I'd feel inclined to call one of them scum.

Nutella and MR are also probably not together. I'm basing that read on the MR post to Nutella asking the rhetorical question about odds and math.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:45 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:28 pm I've never seen a Speedchuck this active. I like it.

Hmm. Does MR ever post this if Speedchuck is their partner?

Right now, I want to say that there is never more than one scum inside {Speedchuck, MR, Nutella}. This is a group I think I can ride with for now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:01 pm 2:50 left. We need to start consolidating. I've outlined who my favorites for the lynch are, and I'm leaning toward nutella between the three. If we actively use the secret vote on a public figure, I have to figure out who to NOT lynch, which is actually harder.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

linki: hrm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:13 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:10 pm Hi I'm nutella and I hate no-poster policy lynches

Hi everyone, my name is MR, and it's been three years since I policy lynched a no poster.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:18 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:14 pm Like come on guys, that slot is probabilistically more likely town than not, whereas we have thread content to analyze for all other slots that may help us determine that someone has more likelihood to be scum. Not to get mathy about it but it's just all around a dumb thing to do to lynch that slot. Allow me to say it -- it's -EV.

How are you with odds, Ms Mathy?

As in: what are the odds one of PC's voters is scum?

I don't even know how many scum there are, so I couldn't tell you.

I didn't expect a literal answer. I just meant that it would be a scummy thing do to hop on a 0 poster to 'prompt' them, if they didn't know where else to safely land right now.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:28 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:23 pm Fuck it let’s kill nutella?

Just thinking this. Pushy case on M and possibly pocketing me.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:47 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:40 pm Pop quiz!

Jack is mafia. Who can tell me why?

Don't know, but from my limited meta I'm feeling he sounds a bit like Inception Jack lately.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:03 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)

My townleans are spread out across the wagons. That suggests to me the wolves are too.

Tied votes are more often than not v/v, although I don't know how a 3-way tie factors into that. (I know it wasn't an actual tied vote, but Nook's final vote to self-pres was an obvious enough switch.) I'm not going to argue with anyone about that assertion about tied votes - disagree if you want, but that's an observation from many games of experience.

If Nook is scum, his scum buddies are more likely on me and Sig, as it would be quite risky to vote for a teammate in such a close vote (and most of these votes occured in the final hours, when it was clear enough that Nook was a potential wagon). I'm looking at TSP and Jack on Sig, and DDL and Hyena on me. The others had some signs of progression or, in MP7's case, was bouncing around like a rubber ball already. If anyone is a wolf on scumNook's wagon, I guess it'd be LC or 112, but that doesn't jive with my reads on them.

If Nook is town, the scum may be more evenly spread (although I won't forget that last game they piled up on me when I was mislynched, so that's not a hard and fast rule). Regardless, I haven't changed my mind on LC or 112, so that would mean Nutella would be the scum voter in this case, particularly since she didn't mind following MP7's directions to vote there. I see no reason that doesn't fit. But I'd still look at TSP/Jack and DDL/Hyena as sig was clearly a safe landing spot for a scum vote, and I am as well.


tl;dr regardless of Nook's alignment, I plan to ISO TSP, Jack, DDL, and Hyena first and foremost. The other votes felt natural or were clearly built up to.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:01 pm 2:50 left. We need to start consolidating. I've outlined who my favorites for the lynch are, and I'm leaning toward nutella between the three. If we actively use the secret vote on a public figure, I have to figure out who to NOT lynch, which is actually harder.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

linki: hrm

I think Nutella is town, but I think I'd be okay with voting them if we also get rid of Jules. I don't think I want to go with Jack's suggestion of Sloonei anymore.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm
I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.

How so??


Generally I am thinking it's less and less likely that Sloonei is scum here. Especially from his latest post. I don't think he would just resign like that as scum after MR's death, unless his teammate is really deep.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:10 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:01 pm 2:50 left. We need to start consolidating. I've outlined who my favorites for the lynch are, and I'm leaning toward nutella between the three. If we actively use the secret vote on a public figure, I have to figure out who to NOT lynch, which is actually harder.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

linki: hrm

I think Nutella is town, but I think I'd be okay with voting them if we also get rid of Jules. I don't think I want to go with Jack's suggestion of Sloonei anymore.

What sense does it make to vote nutella if you think she's town?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm
I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.

How so??


Generally I am thinking it's less and less likely that Sloonei is scum here. Especially from his latest post. I don't think he would just resign like that as scum after MR's death, unless his teammate is really deep.

Cause your case on Juliets isn’t convincing.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:10 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:01 pm 2:50 left. We need to start consolidating. I've outlined who my favorites for the lynch are, and I'm leaning toward nutella between the three. If we actively use the secret vote on a public figure, I have to figure out who to NOT lynch, which is actually harder.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

linki: hrm

I think Nutella is town, but I think I'd be okay with voting them if we also get rid of Jules. I don't think I want to go with Jack's suggestion of Sloonei anymore.

What sense does it make to vote nutella if you think she's town?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm
I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.

How so??


Generally I am thinking it's less and less likely that Sloonei is scum here. Especially from his latest post. I don't think he would just resign like that as scum after MR's death, unless his teammate is really deep.

Cause your case on Juliets isn’t convincing.

I'm not following you here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm
I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.

How so??


Generally I am thinking it's less and less likely that Sloonei is scum here. Especially from his latest post. I don't think he would just resign like that as scum after MR's death, unless his teammate is really deep.

Cause your case on Juliets isn’t convincing.

I'm not following you here.

Like the case on Juliets is so unconvincing, it doesn’t even move her below the null slot that is Sloonei.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:18 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)

Wait a sec. I forgot about Nook's wagon. Sig and 112 flipped town. If Nook is town, then at least one of Nute and LC are probably scum. Unless, somehow the wagon is pure?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm
I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.

How so??


Generally I am thinking it's less and less likely that Sloonei is scum here. Especially from his latest post. I don't think he would just resign like that as scum after MR's death, unless his teammate is really deep.

Cause your case on Juliets isn’t convincing.

I'm not following you here.

Like the case on Juliets is so unconvincing, it doesn’t even move her below the null slot that is Sloonei.

Oh.

Hard disagree.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:39 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:59 am Voting MP7 cuz who knows when the next chance to do that will be

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

DDL, I don't understand this vote. Is there any further explanation?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:56 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:26 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:36 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:52 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:57 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:55 am This is also your first game in awhile, I believe, and I'm the player you know best. In fact, I suspect you're not overly familiar with anyone else except to some extent Hyena and Nutella. So I wasn't surprised that you zeroed in on me (/us) immediately and ignored other players.

What if I'm not actually suspecting you, am mafia, and just FoSed you in order to score townpoints? You're just assuming I'm town, which is exactly what I want in the proverbial world where I'm scum.

Oh my god this is amazing, I am on this.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

This is probably the best point against MR.

@Master Radishes what do you have to say about this? Were you assuming 112 is town, and if so do you have good reason for that?

This argument is always always flawed. Yes, scum does it, but town does most of the time too. Paranoia is a good town tell, but the lack of it post by post isn’t a good scum tell.

Tony, I have read this like five times and I'm too dense to understand it. What is the "it" that scum does and town does most of the time too?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:22 pm Guys, honestly, read Nutella's response to my suspicion of her. Does she sound like scum there? I don't think so.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:25 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:22 pm Guys, honestly, read Nutella's response to my suspicion of her. Does she sound like scum there? I don't think so.

Because meta?

The response itself didn't make much of an impression on me.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:24 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:56 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:26 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:36 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:52 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:57 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:55 am This is also your first game in awhile, I believe, and I'm the player you know best. In fact, I suspect you're not overly familiar with anyone else except to some extent Hyena and Nutella. So I wasn't surprised that you zeroed in on me (/us) immediately and ignored other players.

What if I'm not actually suspecting you, am mafia, and just FoSed you in order to score townpoints? You're just assuming I'm town, which is exactly what I want in the proverbial world where I'm scum.

Oh my god this is amazing, I am on this.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

This is probably the best point against MR.

@Master Radishes what do you have to say about this? Were you assuming 112 is town, and if so do you have good reason for that?

This argument is always always flawed. Yes, scum does it, but town does most of the time too. Paranoia is a good town tell, but the lack of it post by post isn’t a good scum tell.

Tony, I have read this like five times and I'm too dense to understand it. What is the "it" that scum does and town does most of the time too?

This is the second instance that has Jules responding to a post that either has a vote in it or has quoted a vote in it. Radish, as we know, flipped mafia.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:18 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)

Wait a sec. I forgot about Nook's wagon. Sig and 112 flipped town. If Nook is town, then at least one of Nute and LC are probably scum. Unless, somehow the wagon is pure?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:08 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:36 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:27 pm Ok this sounds more like the civ MPlus7 I remember.

What about it specifically?

You came out firing questions off, trying to pin people down for their opinions and takes.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:22 pm @M Plus 7, I'm not following your read on 112 and nutella. Did you think that interaction between them was distancing? What about it made you think that as opposed to just a normal interaction (assuming that's what you thought). I'm not reading either of them as scum right now so whatever you're seeing I'd like to know.

@Hyena I see your vote for 112 but I think you have talked about why you find her scummy so I'll go back to your posts.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:27 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:18 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)

Wait a sec. I forgot about Nook's wagon. Sig and 112 flipped town. If Nook is town, then at least one of Nute and LC are probably scum. Unless, somehow the wagon is pure?

I think the wagon is pure. Why do you think it can't be?