Re: Mafia (DAY 4)
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:43 pm
I'm not sure why we aren't voting Scirrus who claimed to have vig'd Marmot then proceeds to speculate if the Mafia killed Marmot
Grogu said Day 2 he forgot to submit a Night action.KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:42 pmI'm not sure I understand the Grogu thing you postedEpignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:17 pm And if I'm right, the role block business (sans Grogu) might just be a series of red herrings. The mafia team very well may have been an absentee mafia.
KZA's eagerness to jump on Scirrus for a "slip" without commenting on what I just posted about Grogu may indicate that.
Grogu could have submitted the kill and was blocked and you did nothing.
I'm coming around to Scirrus being innocent.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:54 pm I’d personally rather take out Scirrus as well. He seems to just be letting the day go without touching it.
I just don’t have much time tonight to motivate any movement. Those with more posts and time than I have should talk about it.
Which lie would that be?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:15 pmVote Grogu for now. I caught him in a lie.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:02 pm I’m not home tonight and can’t do much.
I’m betting on a mafia team containing either two or three of these:
Scirrus, Grogu, Enrique
If that’s correct, chop them all and we win. Shouldn’t matter how many. May need to ensure Enrique isn’t last to go because of the double vote.
Or I'll use my double vote to override 6 or however many players?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:18 pm Regardless of Grogu’s flip, if the game continues Enrique needs to be next — before Scirrus.
By forgetting all I meant to say is that I didn’t have time to look to see who was cleared. The following days I looked and was going to save Alison which was cop but then she claimed some insane shit and I didn’t think any one deserve it and as you can see each night it didn’t matter.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:53 pmGrogu said Day 2 he forgot to submit a Night action.KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:42 pmI'm not sure I understand the Grogu thing you postedEpignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:17 pm And if I'm right, the role block business (sans Grogu) might just be a series of red herrings. The mafia team very well may have been an absentee mafia.
KZA's eagerness to jump on Scirrus for a "slip" without commenting on what I just posted about Grogu may indicate that.
Forgetting implies an intention to use said Night action. If Grogu didn't plan on using his Night action in the first place (as he indicated three separate times!), then he didn't forget it Night 1.
Grogu had a total of ten posts between Day 0 and Night 2. Ten. And most of them did nothing to move things along.
In recent posts, Grogu is giving the impression that he never intended to use the bodyguarding role, that no one was worth sacrificing himself for, and that he wasn't required to use the role (as JJJ claims).
I am most inclined to believe that Grogu did in fact forget to submit a Night action- a kill- but also forgot that he said he forgot when he became more emboldened recently.
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If Grogu is mafia, then that gives me pause about Scirrus being mafia.
That's because it opens up the reywaS (you) / Grogu pairing that did nothing the first Night and mayhaps did nothing the second Night as well.
Grogu was also blocked per fingersplints.
Then:
Grogu could have submitted the kill and was blocked and you did nothing.
For me to believe Scirrus is mafia instead of Grogu requires additional assumptions I don't think I'm willing to make right now given Grogu's dishonesty.
This is why I have elected to [VOTE: Grogu] aubergine.
KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:44 pmoh well this is a straight up slip isn't it?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:58 pmThis is a claim of murdering Marmot Night 1 followed by mea culpa.
Okay.
This below is from Day 3:
The enlarged is something I am not understanding.Scirrus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:49 pm JJJ do you have any phresh thoughts
Alison can only be on a mafia team with Epi i think, if they decided to fake the cop/protect shtick. But if that were the case, why would still not kill anyone, or kill Marmot? Marmot's a bad N1 Kill for scum based on how they game was going.
So probably not that
Alternatively Alison decides to do some no kill gambit for this game regardless of her partners. But why? I'm not sure if the benefits outway the cost of that, especially for the first night
"Marmot's a bad N1 Kill for scum based on how they game was going."
Why does this sentence exist?
Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:12 pmBy forgetting all I meant to say is that I didn’t have time to look to see who was cleared. The following days I looked and was going to save Alison which was cop but then she claimed some insane shit and I didn’t think any one deserve it and as you can see each night it didn’t matter.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:53 pmGrogu said Day 2 he forgot to submit a Night action.KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:42 pmI'm not sure I understand the Grogu thing you postedEpignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:17 pm And if I'm right, the role block business (sans Grogu) might just be a series of red herrings. The mafia team very well may have been an absentee mafia.
KZA's eagerness to jump on Scirrus for a "slip" without commenting on what I just posted about Grogu may indicate that.
Forgetting implies an intention to use said Night action. If Grogu didn't plan on using his Night action in the first place (as he indicated three separate times!), then he didn't forget it Night 1.
Grogu had a total of ten posts between Day 0 and Night 2. Ten. And most of them did nothing to move things along.
In recent posts, Grogu is giving the impression that he never intended to use the bodyguarding role, that no one was worth sacrificing himself for, and that he wasn't required to use the role (as JJJ claims).
I am most inclined to believe that Grogu did in fact forget to submit a Night action- a kill- but also forgot that he said he forgot when he became more emboldened recently.
++++
If Grogu is mafia, then that gives me pause about Scirrus being mafia.
That's because it opens up the reywaS (you) / Grogu pairing that did nothing the first Night and mayhaps did nothing the second Night as well.
Grogu was also blocked per fingersplints.
Then:
Grogu could have submitted the kill and was blocked and you did nothing.
For me to believe Scirrus is mafia instead of Grogu requires additional assumptions I don't think I'm willing to make right now given Grogu's dishonesty.
This is why I have elected to [VOTE: Grogu] aubergine.
It wasn’t a lie when I clearly stated all that
This was your exact post Day 2.
For what it's worth, my vig kill was not compulsory, and if I did not use it by N3, I would have lost it anywayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:39 pm I find myself wondering now if Grogu's role is opposite to my own because it's oppositely aligned. Whether it's "useful" may not be meaningful. Alison's role was useless. But also:
My role is nearly useless. For a civilian to effectively use a hider role requires incredible good luck, and almost any other application just causes extra needless confusion that is harmful to the team. The only truly good impact it can have is to draw a night kill and direct it to someone else. I was robbed of that capacity well before Night 1 was over, so for me the role is worthless. I'm also obligated to use it. I don't know if that applies to anyone else.
Grogu's role would be nearly useless for a mafia team. He can technically sacrifice himself to a town vigilante in order to save a better-positioned teammate. Such an eventuality is possible, but through the lens of a randomized role list it ought to seem pretty rare. That kind of parallels my role in the opposite direction.
This is super speculative, but we have no choice. We must speculate.
So this means I HAVE to be scum to you, right? Why aren't you voting me?Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:54 amNot at all. That means that if you blocked the kill last night then scirrus just makes NK again. Which just tell us I’m not scum. Wolves are just not submitting if you truly blocked me. Or how else you explain no kill if I’m town?fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:43 amThe only player blocked last night who cannot be blocked again was scirrus. Potential slip up here?
I'm the only one providing any wisdom today.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:08 pm If any prevailing wisdom is wrong, it’s because Epignosis is mafia. I simply don’t have time to contend with that, so just gonna hope not.
Is this what you think? Tell me more.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:20 am I'm tired of [VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine continually staying silent until someone accuses him of something.
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I'd say it's possible, he did, after all, just make that big post above where he explained how it wouldn't be weird for mafia to abstain from kills.
I trust that the members of the town are all not lying about the roles, by virtue of them being town. I believe fingersplints and yourself to be town so therefore, legit. Enrique's role is legit bc it was proven by the vote count. Doesn't reveal anything about his alignment. JJJ's hider claim i'm inclined to believe. Poisons claim, dunno. She could easily be a tracker regardless of alignment. It's also not a hard role to fake. Grogu, meh. KZA's role is a little harder to believe bc i've never seen anything like it but for this game? I wouldn't be suprised if it is true.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:02 pmWhich claims are you trusting to be legit?Scirrus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:31 pmIn the event that we're both mafia? Lmao you know thats not the caseEnrique wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:25 pmSo what option exactly *wouldn't* have looked terrible?Scirrus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:12 pmDid you expect him to be lying about his role if he is mafia here? I don't see why he would considering the tie was between townies. He has no need to lie if he's scum.
I could only see him lying about his role is if I am scum with him. Telling the truth makes Enrique look terrible with the Alison flip and I don't know why he would do that lol.
And this isnt the case because I'm town anyway so
claiming something that would have made you looked better. Mafia have the benefit of lying to give themselves an advantage in a closed setup like this.
I am trusting town's claims to be legit. I assume mafia is too. My early claim of 1x vig clearly didnt help me bc i got blocked later and all I could really say is
"srry im vanilla now"
It doesnt do much to inspire confidence
Yeah I was confused about this as well
If JJJ is abstaining from kills, I would be shocked. I don't think he would regard it as sporting to withhold kills.
I didn't think that mafia would want Marmot out of the game on N1? Alison and JJJ, both good players with a lot of sway, had marmot as their main suspect D1/N1. JJJ made that whole interaction chart mappping out interactions for everyone in the game and Marmot was **THE MAIN LINK** Day 2 would have undoubtably been a game of trying to yeet Marmot and find out who Marmot's partners are. That's why I vigged Marmot.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:58 pmThis is a claim of murdering Marmot Night 1 followed by mea culpa.
Okay.
This below is from Day 3:
The enlarged is something I am not understanding.Scirrus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:49 pm JJJ do you have any phresh thoughts
Alison can only be on a mafia team with Epi i think, if they decided to fake the cop/protect shtick. But if that were the case, why would still not kill anyone, or kill Marmot? Marmot's a bad N1 Kill for scum based on how they game was going.
So probably not that
Alternatively Alison decides to do some no kill gambit for this game regardless of her partners. But why? I'm not sure if the benefits outway the cost of that, especially for the first night
"Marmot's a bad N1 Kill for scum based on how they game was going."
Why does this sentence exist?
I'm not following this. I was considering possible scenarios, you know, as many of has have? And one of those scenarios is that Marmot was double tapped. I consider that not to be likely, for the reasons I gaveJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:05 pm Good pickup, Epi. Not sure why Scirrus seems to be entertaining scenarios where Marmot was a mafia night kill (and how much sense it would or wouldn’t make). If he shot Marmot as a vigilante there’s little or no reason for that to exist in his mind.
I’m getting the impression that Scirrus is a mafioso and not a vigilante — that Marmot was a standard kill.
The thought briefly entered my mind when i saw the no kill, but how would that be balanced in a game like this? There can't be 4 mafia because the game would be over. 3 vs 9 in a game with a bunch of Town PR's and mafia can't NK? Nah
How is it a slip?KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:44 pmoh well this is a straight up slip isn't it?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:58 pmThis is a claim of murdering Marmot Night 1 followed by mea culpa.
Okay.
This below is from Day 3:
The enlarged is something I am not understanding.Scirrus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:49 pm JJJ do you have any phresh thoughts
Alison can only be on a mafia team with Epi i think, if they decided to fake the cop/protect shtick. But if that were the case, why would still not kill anyone, or kill Marmot? Marmot's a bad N1 Kill for scum based on how they game was going.
So probably not that
Alternatively Alison decides to do some no kill gambit for this game regardless of her partners. But why? I'm not sure if the benefits outway the cost of that, especially for the first night
"Marmot's a bad N1 Kill for scum based on how they game was going."
Why does this sentence exist?
Why?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:18 pm Regardless of Grogu’s flip, if the game continues Enrique needs to be next — before Scirrus.
He's essentially a confirmed double voter, and if he is a mafia double voter then he cannot be allowed to exist in any Final 3 scenario -- it's impossible to out vote him and ties are no eliminations.Scirrus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:42 pmWhy?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:18 pm Regardless of Grogu’s flip, if the game continues Enrique needs to be next — before Scirrus.
I don't see how me choosing to shoot Marmot has any bearing on whether or not scum also decided to NK Marmot? Scum didn't know my role or what I was gonna do with it.
I don't care about any of this. You've been a low-visibility player since Day 1, and you actually tried to suggest I was "becoming meh" as the game progressed. I can't actually name anything you have done to promote a meaningful hunting effort since you claimed vigilante. You've been floating around and periodically saying "I'll be here later" only to carry on with floating.Scirrus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:49 pm JJJ i think you're mafia because you have mostly been sheeping Epi today while trying to nudge suspicion on to me.
All this after you voted Alison to save me yesterday.
Saved me just to throw shade me on for my absence.
And I just feel like you don't really believe the things you're saying.
Huh? I think we are in different pages here
I considered the possibility of that happeneing and said that it wasn't likelyKZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:55 pmHuh? I think we are in different pages here
Explain the context of that post that I said looks like a slip, the one Epi brought up with the upscaled font. You were trying to say Marmot could've been shot twice?
This was what I thought.Scirrus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:29 pmI'm not following this. I was considering possible scenarios, you know, as many of has have? And one of those scenarios is that Marmot was double tapped. I consider that not to be likely, for the reasons I gaveJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:05 pm Good pickup, Epi. Not sure why Scirrus seems to be entertaining scenarios where Marmot was a mafia night kill (and how much sense it would or wouldn’t make). If he shot Marmot as a vigilante there’s little or no reason for that to exist in his mind.
I’m getting the impression that Scirrus is a mafioso and not a vigilante — that Marmot was a standard kill.
What's the problem here?
It makes sense to me. Scirrus was saying mafia could have shot Marmot at the same time he did and that he didn't find that likely. Unclear language made that hard to understand (no offense Scirrus, I hope), but I get it now.KZA wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:55 pmHuh? I think we are in different pages here
Explain the context of that post that I said looks like a slip, the one Epi brought up with the upscaled font. You were trying to say Marmot could've been shot twice?