The Syndicate

eluciate that secret

16) If your first attempt fails, you can still lynch that player in subsequent periods, so long as you qualify the first day~~~~~~~~. (BFGMPZ)

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exploit him for your own financial gain

That's it, I knew there was something wrong with it. Missing the first E.

Nevermind, I thought we had the D's not the E's.

DharmaHelper wrote:Decoded. I'm a dumbass. The word is decoded.

Missing the first D?

This is making my head spin

Because you are so greedy

9) Because you are ~~ ~~~~~y, you really only need ~~~u~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~ for your ~~~ f~~~~~~~~ ~~~~. (UYZF)

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MovingPictures07 wrote:1-1 2-1.
1-2?
2-2.
2-3...

3-2? 3-3.

Zomb, whats Snowman's favourite song/band?

DharmaHelper wrote:Possible decodes:

Shift 11:
~~e ~~~e ~e~~e~~ ~ei~~ ~e~e~~ed. ~~e ~~e~ e~e~~~~i~~?

Last word could be everything.

I speculate less than honourable motives from Zomb and she thinks I'm bad Sorry, but if you're not going to give a reason for suspecting me or anybody else then I'm voting for you.

I just won £1100 on a bet. I'm out, bitches. Night

If that's true... well, damn... you're my hero

I get that, Epi. It's still prevalent in Mafia, however. I don't necessarily believe it was a NO U, I'm just saying it can be read that way. However, unless you believe DH is a Kira, surely your post was in vain?

See above. Safe play =/= flying under radar.

Anyway, I'm voting now. I'll be reading for the next hour, so I'll pop back, but I'm so tired at the moment I doubt I'll be posting again this period.

It's a two horse race and I don't like voting players not in the race in situations like this. Gives an out in regard to future voting analysis. I don't think Epi is a Kira, but Snowman could be. So I'm voting Snowman.

linki I never said she was fly under the radar. What's your point, MM?

You were online, Zomberella, have you heard the saying, "she whom smelt it, dealt it"? Pretty quick on the accusation there and to throw the accusation on somebody you've never suspected before? Weak. A weak NO U on the only person with a slight suspicion of you today

Honestly, I think it must be pretty easy for a baddie in a relationship with another player to accuse them of being bad. Makes things easier at home. but that is all WIFOM for sure. I think you've played it quite safe so far. You didn't start the case on Snowman, you just carried with it. You're not pissing people off and your back and forth is Snowman devolved into a series of memes. Not exactly putting the heat on. So, I do think you've played a pretty safe game.

Zomberella12 wrote:Maybe explain to me what your version of playing it safe is.

You first

RIP S~V~S

Zomberella12 wrote:So by your own logic I can't be Kira because I'm not playing it safe. Also, you might have missed it, but I tore up my noob boob card. I can't play it. It's gone.

Not really, how would you say you're not playing it safe?

Zomberella12 wrote:I wish we knew if the Kira has to be on the site to send in a kill. If so, I'm looking at Zeek.

I wasn't even online but a lot of people were

Turnip Head wrote:Someone is killing off experienced players.

Agreed. They're killing off experience and unlikely to be lynched player IMO.

S~V~S wrote:He did not act like he was "on to her" until after she came out hard against him.

Right, I mean a pre-emptive lynch before he realised. I don't know what couples do when they play together and one is bad or whatever. I presume it's not easy to conceal that.

It's purely speculative, but that's worry there.

Forgot to reply to this due to EPIc posts.

bea wrote:

zeek wrote:My problem with Epi right now is that MM's case was good. It showed how inconsistent he has been and his responses have done little to convince me he's good. His tone, deflated and dejected, has however. So I'm back and forth on him.

Then we have Snowman. His responses don't seem genuine to me and he doesn't actually seem frustrated by all this, half-heartedly NO U'ing his detractors.

Still a fair amount of time before the lynch ends but, honestly, these guys may be aligned with Kira but I really doubt either is one.

If not them, who?

I don't know, I feel the Kira would be playing a very simple game not really drawing attention to themselves, so they could be hiding in half the players in the game. Based on aggressive and odd behaviour, I'd tentatively cross off a handful of players from the Kira list.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Another question. What are the odds, in your opinion, that DH is Kira?

This is where I'm struggling with both of them. I don't see either of them butting heads so radically if either was Kira. We can talk about egos, but they're clever enough to avoid this sort of thing if either is Kira.

My worry with Zomb is how convinced she is she's right. I feel it could be a move to lynch Snowman incase HE is onto her. If he flips civ, she could just play the noob card.

linki what DH said

Woah I agree Epi's conclusion came first, but I can understand that because he probably set out to prove a point. DH has been one of his biggest critics. That said, I'm still on the fence with Epi. He's made some good points but it can also be read as the largest NO U in Mafia history. I'm glad he's playing ball a bit more though, even if he's not properly defending himself.

I don't know where it vote today. I'm curious about Zomberella and she could get my vote. Snowman and TH are also up there, with MM in the mix as well.

linki - DH, that's quite dismissive

My problem with Epi right now is that MM's case was good. It showed how inconsistent he has been and his responses have done little to convince me he's good. His tone, deflated and dejected, has however. So I'm back and forth on him.

Then we have Snowman. His responses don't seem genuine to me and he doesn't actually seem frustrated by all this, half-heartedly NO U'ing his detractors.

Still a fair amount of time before the lynch ends but, honestly, these guys may be aligned with Kira but I really doubt either is one.

Very convincing case, MM, I hadn't put together all those inconsistencies from Epi. Although I'm not sure on you, your points are persuasive. I may vote Epi if he convince me otherwise.

I really don't know what to make of all the strange behaviour in this game tbh, feels like it's going to be quite a random game.

Turnip Head wrote:If my illegitimate discussion helps catch Kira I'll consider it a win

Turnip Head wrote:Not very, since I still think you might be bad and I think your reaction here is a little petty. But sorry enough in case you are genuinely upset for some reason.

A little petty? You're serious, aren't you?

Wow. This game is crazy. People are acting so crazy.

How sorry are you?

Really? That's all the two of you have to say?

I suspect both of you, but I doubt it'd help to lynch either

Turnip Head wrote:You sound pretty upset Zeek.

That people don't have to give reasons and be open to discussion? Damn right. Clearly you're playing a different game to me and you don't need to do any thought on your vote. I think I'm just going to ignore you from now on.

I am going nuts here?

TH can have a go at my vote which I said myself wasn't strong, but other players can just say "I think he's bad" and vote immediately, without giving due discussion and time to consider their votes? Frankly, this is stupid. Especially from TH, who changed his mind on Llama after so voting quickly last time.

Why did you guys vote so quickly? MM, you even said it was foolish, so how can you justify it?

I've post a fair bit rebuffing TH's worries over my vote. I'm balancing a few things today - even thought it's my day off - but still reveiwing some posters.

linki - Jeez, this game is moving too fast for even me :P

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

zeek wrote:I've never played in a game in which votes are not changeable, so is it normal for such early votes?

Not really. It would be foolish to vote early when votes are not changeable.

Why did you vote so early then?

I've never played in a game in which votes are not changeable, so is it normal for such early votes?

There are a few people I need to look at closer and hopefully form some opinions about. I don't have a read on a lot of people at this point and it's worrying tbh.

FZ. wrote:On the one hand, he seems frustrated as I was when people were going after me in the beginning of the game. The kind of frustrations that sometimes makes me feel: screw them. The idiots want to lynch me, I hope they lose, and I'm not going to help them. He only has two votes, but more people have called him suspicious, so I get the frustration.

I have seen this from Epi as well which is why I'm still not overly suspicious of him.

Matahari wrote:Zeke, no bashing STV here. I cut my mafia teeth there and I'm so grateful Roxy and LaD talked me into playing a game. I got hooked.

I am your mafia grandpa then, I talked Roxy into playing her first game :P

I don't believe that's what my post said

S~V~S wrote:I was thinking of it more in terms of Devils Advocate.

Considering how many times he brought up my vote I don't feel it was playing Devils Advocate.

I've just realised I was immune N1 and D2, not D2 and N2. Thanks for the talk, Turnip, always a pleasure drawing attention to myself

And I'm starting to understand yours. You're a troublemaker.

Wrong, I saw something that pinged me. You're projecting something into my word which isn't there, i.e. you're bullshitting.

Also, I didn't compare it to Donner. I said it ISN'T Donner. There is no civilian team, which implies BTSC to me. You say I tried to make something out of nothing but I literally say I just didn't feel comfortable voting for anybody else. You're the one making something out of nothing.

Turnip Head wrote:Below is Zeek's vote post. Tell me if I'm bullshitting, fellow players, but it looks like Zeek's reason for voting Snowman was because he called the civ roles a "team" and according to Zeek they are instead a "community".

zeek wrote:I don't feel good about voting for anybody, but I have to because I need to sleep. I've looked into most of the main players being talked about and this post pinged me harder than others.

Yeah, you are bullshitting. You said I voted for him for saying he was talking about the civ team. I didn't. He didn't say civ team, he said team. If he said he wanted to help the "civ team" (terminology I don't believe is accurate) then fine, vote for me because that would be weird. I voted for him because I don't think he meant the civs, instead his baddie team.

Not once on this site do I ever recall anybody classifying the civs as a team. Nevertheless, you're jumping on me for, admittedly, a weak vote. Which I acknowledged. What I take objection with is you manipulating my words. I didn't vote for him because he talked about civs being a team. I voted for him because civs don't generally get called a team, here included, and I think he could have been talking about a baddie team, his baddie team.

Honestly, you're not changing my mind either considering how little I'm seeing of the usual civ TH. Snowman has his own voice and he's not using it.

(Also, any STV bashing - all I'll say is the civs actually won the majority of the games there!)

Need to catch up on the past few pages and look at the voting, but:

Turnip Head wrote:Zeek voted Snowman for implying there was a civ team. What.

That's bullshit. That's not what I said. Don't take my words out of context.

I voted for him for saying he wants to help his team going into the future. I didn't like the language used, teams imply BTSC for me. I disagree with everybody who has since said there is a "civ team" because I don't think there is. We're a community, not a team. If I said shit like that in a game I'd be called out for it, so I've done the same. You are steadily gaining my eye, TH.

Snowman hasn't addressed my point either.

Nobody reads my posts

I don't feel good about voting for anybody, but I have to because I need to sleep. I've looked into most of the main players being talked about and this post pinged me harder than others.

Snowman wrote:Buuuuuuuut, it is a social deduction game. Maybe good civvies behave differently, if this were live, I'd be looking at faces and body language. On a bulletin board, we look at posts, and something about how I post strikes some as a Stone-Cold-Kira. I'm not disappointed, but I want to improve and better support my team in the future, while still having fun. Maybe one day I will earn the "Well, that's just him, he's always like that" status that Epi and Russ seem to benefit from.

I'm not voting Snowman based on jumping onto bandwagons, but that is a factor, I'm voting Snowman because the underlined section worries me. This isn't Donner Party, there's no civ team per se. This terminology could be poor language selection by a new player or it could be a slip. Either way, he's got my vote because I just don't feel comfortable placing it anywhere else.

I missed Russ. I'm worried about Russ because he's been a lot more quiet than usual and doesn't seem to be as engaged as civ Russ would be. The silent treatment always puts me on edge when you expect good discussion from certain players.

I have skimmed and gleamed what I can in the available time I have at the moment. I feel bad voting right now because I'm not where I should be with the thread but I don't want to abstain because I don't believe that helps anyone.

llama - He does get called out early and sometimes lynched because of it. I believe he's being helpful and I won't be voting that way today.
Epi - Personally didn't see him as bad, but the Shingami Eye Deal cricked my brow. I considered it a possibility myself, which is why I'm hesitant about voting for him. Still, seems like normal Epi to me.
FZ - Not sure how I feel about her, I find myself agreeing and disagreeing in equal measure.
bea - not feeling the case against her, seems like normal bea to me.
TH - Not been super-talkative or helpful, and he usually is. I love the list though and I may make one at the start of the new week. Don't like him voting so early and then saying he doesn't think llama is bad anymore. Seems like an easy way to avoid responsibility for his vote.
Snowman - Following Donner Party, he doesn't seem that big of a talker to me but you have to be when people challenge you on things. I'd like to hear more from him.
boo - Seemed the voice of reason along with Epi on D0 - full disclosure is I would have voted for the safe standard lynches as well - however the back and forth with llama has made me question this.
Zomberella - One thing I noticed is she used the term "lunched" instead of lynched. Carry over from Donner obviously. She has since said she likes the idea of "lynching" Snowman. Not enough to garner a vote, however nobody corrected her in-thread I believe. Pure speculation but BTSC teammate could have corrected her. Just want it noted.

Did I miss any of the apparent candidates?

All in all, I don't feel comfortable voting for anybody right now.

Linki linki linki

I need to catch up but the past two days have been terrible for me and I won't have a change until tomorrow night.

I feel horrible I am sorry so, MP, cause I had bags of time before I replaced in. I promise I will give this game the time and respect it deserves when I get the chance!

DharmaHelper wrote:

zeek wrote:I found myself agreeing with Epi over the D0 vote but since then he's lost me a bit. This little tiff with DH seems rather pointless to me, as it's not helping at all. We'll have to lynch one of these guys eventually if they can't let their egos cool off and cooperate. That said, maybe this is a calculated move by both of them.

We'll have to lynch you eventually if your criteria for baddieness is disagreement.

Good luck with that My criteria for baddieness is not disagreement. Don't continue this day after day. Vote Epi and if you can't get the support to lynch him, move on until you can. This sort of thing can easily derail discussion and I don't want that.

Bogged down by work today and it's late so I'm going to bed. I have 5 pages to catch up which I will endeavour to do tomorrow. Got a busy weekend but I will do my best to contribute.