The Syndicate

I think Porscha can be town. Idk why would she express a townread on me atp but meh it's pretty weak and I'm prob townreading her for other reasons I don't know how to explain rn.

Alright if I'm going over anyway may as well vote someone I think can be wolf.

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Lilypetal is another player I'm kind of questioning too. This is roughly my progression on her this game:

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Creature wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:38 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:44 pm hello i thought this started tomorrow oops

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:44 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:02 pmSILVERKEITH GOD
so true

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:45 pm i rolled town again luckily so i can have a relaxing stress free mafia experience

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:48 pm mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:51 pmhewwo aro!

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:53 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:51 pm I'm here to meme.
wanna be 4th and 5th wolves together?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:53 pm what is multi tabbing
Lilypetal had the worst impression for me so far. Like staypositivefriend pointed out these posts all feel like trying to blend in and the hype behind these posts feel fake a lot like I ended up faking hype in the last mash by posting a lot of gifs.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:43 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:45 pm aww creatue beat me to it lol
Initiative

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:40 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:37 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:48 pm mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game
this post in particular felt a bit out of place and like the type of post i would make as a nervous wolf who felt pressured to join in on the meme posting but idk if i actually believe this
i've been making posts like this every game sadly
Also yeah this post sucks ass

It feels like typical wolf response for a push they deem wrong reasons

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:12 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:09 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:08 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:44 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:41 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:13 pm seems like the first v creature i have ever seen

lucy v i think and just taking a diff approach at the game

i liked spf/aro

still think mac is v from rvs alone but we'll have to see lmao
Why do you think those folks are v (aside from Mac since you have already said why)
iirc i've only played vs w!creature and this creature is going about day 1 completely differently and seems to be like trying? so i just easily v read that

lucy's whole thing in every game I've played with her is that she doesnt make reads day 1 for some reason but it seems like she's dropping that and playing properly and I think you start doing that in a V game because it would only be a boon for wolfing

spf and aro just have good vibes that remind me of them towning, it's not like a proper read just like a very very slight lean

i'd say rn i'm confident in Creature/Lucy Town

aro/spf/mac TL
this post actives my fight or flight instincts
activates*

i think it's because: i've perceived lucy in the past as someone who is usually timid/reluctant about giving confident reads, especially early in the game, and also i find the gamestate right now kind of inscrutable and am finding it difficult to get many reads that i feel good about, and lucy forming so many reads effortlessly for shifty reasons makes me worry she's playing from a position of TMI and doesn't actually need to scumhunt
idk if Lilypetal having that many reads means much for her alignment. My main issue with her is that her posts feel forced and unnatural.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:00 am I still can see Lilypetal being wolf. They felt pretty stiffy/frozen/awkward/scared-at-posting whenever I saw them posting. Does anyone townread Lilypetal here?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:23 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:07 am yeah like tbh porscha is probably a wolf here i don't think her sidestepping my @'s for reads/talking to me are like super AI but her general play is incredibly stilted and I think she may just be a wolf here. Gonna park my vote there until she does something. Sorry porscha

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine
Why are you so apologetic here?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:29 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:30 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:16 am Mac only has 7 posts left. Who will defend me from all the meanie butts when you are gone Mac.
I'll defend you neon. all you had to say was ur doing a different playstyle lol and it makes sense

it just came off like u didnt care but i will pay more attention and I'm sorry for slightly doubting you
This feels pockety.

I wonder if I'm confbiasing Lilypetal wolf because of her playstyle because posts like this feel a lot performative.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:40 pm This is the most towny I have seen Lilypetal be this game regardless of Porscha's alignment.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:35 pm Now that Alison wagon is something: a bunch of players I would vote + Lilypetal.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:23 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:59 pm [VOTE: porscha] aubergine
I feel like wolf!Lilypetal would be aware switching votes at EOD would be pretty outing for her which makes me believe she would never do this as wolf considering her position was good at the time of this vote. I think this most derives from a town who panicked at falcon45ca leaving a towny post when it was already too late.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:37 pm Actually Neon's switch looks kinda weird considering before Lilypetal's switch to Porscha the wagons were 8-6 and Neon's switch would put it to 7-7.

Lilypetal's switch to a vanity wagon is so outrageously bad I doubt it ever comes from wolf.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:48 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:44 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:37 pm Actually Neon's switch looks kinda weird considering before Lilypetal's switch to Porscha the wagons were 8-6 and Neon's switch would put it to 7-7.

Lilypetal's switch to a vanity wagon is so outrageously bad I doubt it ever comes from wolf.
No?

TWTBW isn't a thing. Lilypetal's switch seemed to have been motivated more by a desire to avoid being on a town wagon than a genuine belief that it would improve the gamestate or lead to a better EOD flip.
Switching to a vanity wagon and risking a tie which is pretty antitown is objectively worse than staying oj a mislynch wagon. I just can't make it wolf!Lilypetal, who was like pretty safe at the end of the day, would suddenly make that vote switch that is objectively antitown and potentially outing for her, unless she had a stroke or something.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:32 pm We should prob focus on building a good towncore and narrow down the POE a little. I feel like we're too over the place.

My firm townreads last night were arogame123, Lilypetal, lucy and Neon.

I'm asking you all what do you make out of Lilypetal's and Neon's wagon movements yesterday which pretty much risked a nolynch. I thought Lilypetal switching to a vanity wagon was TWTBW and also I feel like she panicked when falcon45ca posted like a dying town EOD. Neon is roughly the same but I think she comes off as more robotic to me.

arogame123 really had some pretty solvy posts at some points. I only wonder if he is deeping here.

lucy I townread mostly for repeatedly posting the VC at yesterday's EOD. It just felt like something lucy wouldn't bother doing as wolf.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:05 pm Lilypetal's play here feels bizarre from a wolf perspective. Though sometimes I still get bothered that I'm noy used to Lilypetal playing like this. I wonder if it's Syndicate's behavior altering elixir in action.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:13 pm If I am lynched always kill Alison/Mac/SPF roughly this order. There should have 1-2 wolves here. If they're all town we deserve to lose because that would mean the strong player trinity all misplayed hard.

I guess I still read Lilypetal and Lucy as misplaying town. Lilypetal brings me some concern because I kinda didn't like her entrance and I'm seeing some things uncharacteristic to what I'm used of town!her but meh.

Which do you find more compelling? Her being town or her being wolf?

arogame123 and Lucy are prob my top townreads.

arogame for "he's solving" and "he's engaging me in a towny way".

Lucy because I have never seen her take a solid stance as wolf and I feel like she's a confidently wrong town.

Yeah sorry I don't have a good readslist aorn. I'm trying to find one wolf at a time.

If Alison flips wolf I'll prob have to reconsider a lot of my reads, mainly Mac. Although I'll prob have to make something out of SPF harddefending Alison.

If Alison flips town I'll get increasing suspicious of Mac if he lives tonight. I'd still maybe give him another listen if he pushes someone else other than me.

SPF is probably the biggest question mark here. I also suspect Neon now.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:13 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:11 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:04 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:55 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:51 pm I don't know if SPF is a busser. In my experience with wolf!her she literally lied about wolfreading her wolf partners. Other llayers also told me she is more the powerwolfing type.
Oh interesting. I remember talking with some players in spec and what not, and they were talking about how spf is a chronic busser lol.

But I’ll keep that in mind if she powerwolfs as well

But for now, I still believe she’s one of my top towns as she’s emulated town leader energy and is attempting to bring everyone together and is hard defending their tr which I find pretty townie.
I don't recall SPF being considered a chronic busser. She always felt like the powerwolfing type and she was caught in anni mash specifically for not having any pelt and lying about it.
Yea, I remember that lol...

She def came off more as pockety for sure tho is what I realized from that game as well.
SPF has bussed heavily in every wolf game I remember her in and I believe Mac has expressed the same view of her in the past. She feels pressure to produce red flips because she knows she will be policied if she does not. It's not out of her range to powerwolf, but I don't think she's doing that here (given she has been hard defending me) and if she is mafia I suspect she is bussing Creature more than anything.

Dafuq it feels like we've played with SPFs from different dimensions then.

Also I feel like spf has been mostly pushing town so far.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:11 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:08 pm I feel like he's more of everybody's consensus townread for solving and I kinda agreed with it. I was just concerned about arogame123 deepwolfing like Twice who got cleared easily last game.
I was asking you about your reasons to townread arogame, so "he's everybody's consensus townread" is kinda a deflection.

My reason will prob be "he's solving" and "he's engaging me in a towny way". I don't know how to better elaborate.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:09 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:02 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:52 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:45 pm I don't know where I stand on Boq and NANOOK. I thought NANOOK voting falcon to prevent a tie yesterday was pretty towny (although it'll prob sound suspicious if Alison flips wolf, but not by much considering he initially was trying to lynch Alison). Boq I keep getting paranoid of him because I kinda think he played a bit differently in Halvosen Ridge, but idk if I want to keep pressing here.
What were some of the differences you noticed between Boq here and Boq there?
I remember Boq was being townread in Halvosen Ridge for seemingly unpartnered/lone and I feel like his posts were more solving-oriented there. In contrast I feel like Boq was more defensive hsre, but maybe it was because he was pushed earlier. Anyway, I still wonder if Boq was wagoned D1 because players were onto something, while today he was largely ignored. Kinda meh about him townreading me and suddenly dropping it off when he saw I was a top lynch option, but maybe he'd keep townreading me as a pocketing attempt as wolf.
He did have a wagon earlier on day 1. BUt I had the tr on Boq mainly for the way he made/constructed his reads and especially his progression on me felt genuine when he described about the "juror" stuff. And additionally, we have mind melded quite a bit with certain reads and takes throughout the game. He def has felt pretty solvy and independent from the game similar to what you were saying when he was "largely ignored." It does feel like he was in his own bubble solving.

I feel like I'm being unfair to him. I just keep feeling he's under the radar or something and I get alarmed when I feel like a player has been largely ignored.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:10 pm Also Creature, before I go, if you had a legacy reads list aorn, what would it be?

I don't feel good about a lot of my reads so I don't really have a readslist aorn. I can prob take a list of all living players and give my quick take on each of them, but gonna take me a while.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:07 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:56 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:50 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:47 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:43 pm I will say though, Rondo saying my takes were consensus mill and then lists 2 of the 6 people in my POE.

I also don’t understand how they went from Aro top town read mixed to with mindmelds, to dropping that read later on.

Hopefully they’ll explain later so I can get a better understanding and discern the progression.
I keep getting paranoid you might be deep wolfing here. Because you sound pretty reasonable and I feel like you had a lot more fire in the Midnight Mash. Perhaps it might be because this is a normal non-mash game. Still I wonder if you're skilled enough to fake solving as wolf.
Well, mash doesn’t have a post cap and the timings were different for me. I still feel I’ve been top posting and putting a lot of content out there for people to see.

I mean if you’d like, you can check out my mafia games I posted earlier in the thread.

It’s interesting to me Creature that your reason of paranoi is solely that I can be a “deep wolf/good player” when from your pov, im currently extending an olive branch and hearing you out.
You're one of my top townreads rn if not the top, but I have never seen your wolf play and I'm concerned you'd be good enough to fake solving.

I ended up wolfreading you earlier because you had dropped off ftr.
Why is arogame your top town read? I don't remember you interacting/vibing with or townclearing him much.

I feel like he's more of everybody's consensus townread for solving and I kinda agreed with it. I was just concerned about arogame123 deepwolfing like Twice who got cleared easily last game.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:55 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:51 pm I don't know if SPF is a busser. In my experience with wolf!her she literally lied about wolfreading her wolf partners. Other llayers also told me she is more the powerwolfing type.
Oh interesting. I remember talking with some players in spec and what not, and they were talking about how spf is a chronic busser lol.

But I’ll keep that in mind if she powerwolfs as well

But for now, I still believe she’s one of my top towns as she’s emulated town leader energy and is attempting to bring everyone together and is hard defending their tr which I find pretty townie.

I don't recall SPF being considered a chronic busser. She always felt like the powerwolfing type and she was caught in anni mash specifically for not having any pelt and lying about it.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:52 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:45 pm I don't know where I stand on Boq and NANOOK. I thought NANOOK voting falcon to prevent a tie yesterday was pretty towny (although it'll prob sound suspicious if Alison flips wolf, but not by much considering he initially was trying to lynch Alison). Boq I keep getting paranoid of him because I kinda think he played a bit differently in Halvosen Ridge, but idk if I want to keep pressing here.
What were some of the differences you noticed between Boq here and Boq there?

I remember Boq was being townread in Halvosen Ridge for seemingly unpartnered/lone and I feel like his posts were more solving-oriented there. In contrast I feel like Boq was more defensive hsre, but maybe it was because he was pushed earlier. Anyway, I still wonder if Boq was wagoned D1 because players were onto something, while today he was largely ignored. Kinda meh about him townreading me and suddenly dropping it off when he saw I was a top lynch option, but maybe he'd keep townreading me as a pocketing attempt as wolf.

I didn't see how Mac treated you so I don't know how to answer one of your earlier questions.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:50 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:47 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:43 pm I will say though, Rondo saying my takes were consensus mill and then lists 2 of the 6 people in my POE.

I also don’t understand how they went from Aro top town read mixed to with mindmelds, to dropping that read later on.

Hopefully they’ll explain later so I can get a better understanding and discern the progression.
I keep getting paranoid you might be deep wolfing here. Because you sound pretty reasonable and I feel like you had a lot more fire in the Midnight Mash. Perhaps it might be because this is a normal non-mash game. Still I wonder if you're skilled enough to fake solving as wolf.
Well, mash doesn’t have a post cap and the timings were different for me. I still feel I’ve been top posting and putting a lot of content out there for people to see.

I mean if you’d like, you can check out my mafia games I posted earlier in the thread.

It’s interesting to me Creature that your reason of paranoi is solely that I can be a “deep wolf/good player” when from your pov, im currently extending an olive branch and hearing you out.

You're one of my top townreads rn if not the top, but I have never seen your wolf play and I'm concerned you'd be good enough to fake solving.

I ended up wolfreading you earlier because you had dropped off ftr.

I don't know if SPF is a busser. In my experience with wolf!her she literally lied about wolfreading her wolf partners. Other llayers also told me she is more the powerwolfing type.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:47 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:41 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:39 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:36 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:33 pm Ok creature, I’ll talk, I want to hear you out.

What’s ur current reads list looking like?

Why did you basically 180 your reads from yesterday?
I'm literally tinfoiling everybody. Last night I ended only townreading you, Lily, Lucy and Neon. Even then I'm not feeling sure in those only townreads anymore and I'm kinda suspecting Neon now.

Is it really 180 when I barely have any solid read?
Well I mean compared to yesterday where it seemed you were tr SPF and Mac.
Things can change a lot when I see falcon flipping town and Alison asking for me to be lynvhed next after her. If Alison is town we're likely mislynching three times in a row. I feel like Mac and SPF would be behind it. Mac would be responsible for three mislynches this game. SPF is a pretty powerwolfing anti-bussing type of wolf. That's why I have reasons to suspect them if Alison flips town.
What do you think of Mac’s treatment of me yesterday?

Additionally, I’ve heard SPF is a busser; however, do you think there’s a team she could be in if she’s mafia where she would want to power Wolf If she is pushing you from your perspective?

Additionally creature, I know you talked about disliking pelts and killing bc wrong. In the world where at least 2 of those 3 are town, who would you believe the mafia are that are just sitting back and relaxing?

Neon seems to be the most relaxed here. She always seems to know what she's doing. Perhaps it might just be her playstyle (some players are really more reason than emotion).

NANOOK also seems fairly relaxed but I find that on par with his playstyle I know.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:43 pm I will say though, Rondo saying my takes were consensus mill and then lists 2 of the 6 people in my POE.

I also don’t understand how they went from Aro top town read mixed to with mindmelds, to dropping that read later on.

Hopefully they’ll explain later so I can get a better understanding and discern the progression.

I keep getting paranoid you might be deep wolfing here. Because you sound pretty reasonable and I feel like you had a lot more fire in the Midnight Mash. Perhaps it might be because this is a normal non-mash game. Still I wonder if you're skilled enough to fake solving as wolf.

I don't know where I stand on Boq and NANOOK. I thought NANOOK voting falcon to prevent a tie yesterday was pretty towny (although it'll prob sound suspicious if Alison flips wolf, but not by much considering he initially was trying to lynch Alison). Boq I keep getting paranoid of him because I kinda think he played a bit differently in Halvosen Ridge, but idk if I want to keep pressing here.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:39 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:36 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:33 pm Ok creature, I’ll talk, I want to hear you out.

What’s ur current reads list looking like?

Why did you basically 180 your reads from yesterday?
I'm literally tinfoiling everybody. Last night I ended only townreading you, Lily, Lucy and Neon. Even then I'm not feeling sure in those only townreads anymore and I'm kinda suspecting Neon now.

Is it really 180 when I barely have any solid read?
Well I mean compared to yesterday where it seemed you were tr SPF and Mac.

Things can change a lot when I see falcon flipping town and Alison asking for me to be lynvhed next after her. If Alison is town we're likely mislynching three times in a row. I feel like Mac and SPF would be behind it. Mac would be responsible for three mislynches this game. SPF is a pretty powerwolfing anti-bussing type of wolf. That's why I have reasons to suspect them if Alison flips town.

I'm never partners with Alison. Alison was pretty damn mad at Twice the previous game for harddefending her.

Because I kinda townread that post.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:48 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:41 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:38 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:23 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:20 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:15 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:13 pm If I am lynched always kill Alison/Mac/SPF roughly this order. There should have 1-2 wolves here. If they're all town we deserve to lose because that would mean the strong player trinity all misplayed hard.

I guess I still read Lilypetal and Lucy as misplaying town. Lilypetal brings me some concern because I kinda didn't like her entrance and I'm seeing some things uncharacteristic to what I'm used of town!her but meh.
i hate this post
especially because it goes 24h before eod
yah it feels a bit like anti-spew, not sure why creature is already throwing in the towel and planning for his death when alison is literally still the leading wagon
Hasn't Alison done the exact same?
this response makes no sense because alison was/is in the leading wagon and is widely agreed to be the person who dies today, so it makes sense for her to throw in the towel. it does not make sense for you to throw in the towel

why are you trying to deflect to alison instead of standing up for your own actions?
I don't know. I've been treated with bad-faith so much I'd rather just command town what to do after I die. Alison prob still needs to be resolved because now I feel like she is playing against her own standards. Mac needs to die D4 if he's still alive and hasn't produced us any pelt. Then you prob have to go if you have only pushed town all game.
You know what. I was just going to let this post slide by because I kinda agree with it but no. No. We dont just kill good players because they survive too long. Thats exactly what wolves want us to do in some games and know they can get a free lynch out. Policying Mac 2 days in the future is just a post that rubs me the wrong way.

Is this performative?

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:33 pm Ok creature, I’ll talk, I want to hear you out.

What’s ur current reads list looking like?

Why did you basically 180 your reads from yesterday?

I'm literally tinfoiling everybody. Last night I ended only townreading you, Lily, Lucy and Neon. Even then I'm not feeling sure in those only townreads anymore and I'm kinda suspecting Neon now.

Is it really 180 when I barely have any solid read?

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:31 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:31 pm I don't know how to feel about RondoDimBuckle tbh. I thought he seemed a lot more like his town self in the baseball game where he literally threw D1 and only started doing shit during the twilight than his wolf self in Halvosen Ridge where he quickly got townread for posting a lot D1.
Do you have any meta from Rondo?

I only have the baseball game and Halvosen Ridge like I mentioned here. I don't count Reanimators because literally nobody played there.

My meta on Rondo is pretty scarce though so I wouldn't put much faith on it.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:31 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:26 pm Can we be sure that there's always at least one wolf in Alison/Mac/SPF after I flip town? I feel like that's where y'all will have to spend your days looking at.
I am currently voting on Alison and I’m pretty sure Mac and SPF are just town tbh.

Alright then.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I feel like we prob lose if Alison is town.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:29 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:42 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:32 pm Some not w/w thoughts

Alison/Porscha
SPF/Rondo
SPF/Creature
Alison/Mac
Mac/Creature
Boq/Seanzie

lmk if I am missing any other obv ones and if you disagree with any of these.
Rondo/Alison
Rondo/Creature
Rondo/Rondo
Rondo/Aero
Rondo/Lily
Rondo/Boq
Rondo/Lucy
Rondo/Mac
Rondo/Nanook
Rondo/Neon
Rondo/Seanzie
O7

So the wolfteam is Rondo + SPF + you.

I don't know how to feel about RondoDimBuckle tbh. I thought he seemed a lot more like his town self in the baseball game where he literally threw D1 and only started doing shit during the twilight than his wolf self in Halvosen Ridge where he quickly got townread for posting a lot D1.

Is Mac willing to bet the game on Porscha being town in the world he's town?

I'm too tired to do any solving. I can't solve properly when literally everybody seems to think I am outed wolf.

atp I'll gladly accept losing if all of Alison/Mac/SPF are town and wolves predicted they would play suboptimally.

Can we be sure that there's always at least one wolf in Alison/Mac/SPF after I flip town? I feel like that's where y'all will have to spend your days looking at.

The wolfteam is prob gonna be something like arogame123 + Boquise + Neon but I doubt we ever win.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:24 pm If I am wrong on creature I am going to look so bad

I don't think you're the wolf pushing me.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:09 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:07 pm I dont disagree if Alison flips town I am doing a 720 on Mac
Yes, because if I flip town you will kill one of my top townreads at the behest of one of my top scumreads.

What if I flip town though? What if Mac is still alive day 4 after pushing three mislynches in the first three days?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:07 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:06 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:05 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:03 pm Alison/Mac/SPF contains 1-2 wolves

aro/Boq/Neon/Porscha contains the other 1-2 wolve

Guessing Lily, Lucy, NANOOK, Rondo and Sean are all just town. If not then gg.
Why are you clearing Rondo? What is even the basis for these reads?
I feel like he's being too reckless to be wolf. Also he prob looks good if you flip wolf.
Yes, because Rondo's recklessness is alignment indicative as opposed to a part of his natural personality.

I dunno. I feel like he cared a lot more in the game he was wolf.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:05 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:03 pm Alison/Mac/SPF contains 1-2 wolves

aro/Boq/Neon/Porscha contains the other 1-2 wolve

Guessing Lily, Lucy, NANOOK, Rondo and Sean are all just town. If not then gg.
Why are you clearing Rondo? What is even the basis for these reads?

I feel like he's being too reckless to be wolf. Also he prob looks good if you flip wolf.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:03 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:59 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:48 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:41 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:38 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:23 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:20 pm

yah it feels a bit like anti-spew, not sure why creature is already throwing in the towel and planning for his death when alison is literally still the leading wagon
Hasn't Alison done the exact same?
this response makes no sense because alison was/is in the leading wagon and is widely agreed to be the person who dies today, so it makes sense for her to throw in the towel. it does not make sense for you to throw in the towel

why are you trying to deflect to alison instead of standing up for your own actions?
I don't know. I've been treated with bad-faith so much I'd rather just command town what to do after I die. Alison prob still needs to be resolved because now I feel like she is playing against her own standards. Mac needs to die D4 if he's still alive and hasn't produced us any pelt. Then you prob have to go if you have only pushed town all game.
You know what. I was just going to let this post slide by because I kinda agree with it but no. No. We dont just kill good players because they survive too long. Thats exactly what wolves want us to do in some games and know they can get a free lynch out. Policying Mac 2 days in the future is just a post that rubs me the wrong way.
It's day 4.

Mac has succesfully led three horrible mislynches the first three days.

Wolves have only nightkilled potatoes (Jack, Porscha and uh...Neon?).

What do you do?
Its day 2? Jack and Falcon are dead?

Oh you mean in the event of. Sure. BUT that is so long in the future the fact that you are thinking about this to try and policy mac now and not trust that the team will get there is just a bit too much digging a grave before its time for me

Mac already led falcon. He seemsto be leading Alison and me now. I know I'm town. So that's why I'm very suspicious of Mac in the world Alison is town.

Alison/Mac/SPF contains 1-2 wolves

aro/Boq/Neon/Porscha contains the other 1-2 wolve

Guessing Lily, Lucy, NANOOK, Rondo and Sean are all just town. If not then gg.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:48 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:41 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:38 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:23 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:20 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:15 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:13 pm If I am lynched always kill Alison/Mac/SPF roughly this order. There should have 1-2 wolves here. If they're all town we deserve to lose because that would mean the strong player trinity all misplayed hard.

I guess I still read Lilypetal and Lucy as misplaying town. Lilypetal brings me some concern because I kinda didn't like her entrance and I'm seeing some things uncharacteristic to what I'm used of town!her but meh.
i hate this post
especially because it goes 24h before eod
yah it feels a bit like anti-spew, not sure why creature is already throwing in the towel and planning for his death when alison is literally still the leading wagon
Hasn't Alison done the exact same?
this response makes no sense because alison was/is in the leading wagon and is widely agreed to be the person who dies today, so it makes sense for her to throw in the towel. it does not make sense for you to throw in the towel

why are you trying to deflect to alison instead of standing up for your own actions?
I don't know. I've been treated with bad-faith so much I'd rather just command town what to do after I die. Alison prob still needs to be resolved because now I feel like she is playing against her own standards. Mac needs to die D4 if he's still alive and hasn't produced us any pelt. Then you prob have to go if you have only pushed town all game.
You know what. I was just going to let this post slide by because I kinda agree with it but no. No. We dont just kill good players because they survive too long. Thats exactly what wolves want us to do in some games and know they can get a free lynch out. Policying Mac 2 days in the future is just a post that rubs me the wrong way.

It's day 4.

Mac has succesfully led three horrible mislynches the first three days.

Wolves have only nightkilled potatoes (Jack, Porscha and uh...Neon?).

What do you do?

Kinda think SPF is too relaxed for the wolfteam to be Porscha + SPF + X.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:38 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:23 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:20 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:15 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:13 pm If I am lynched always kill Alison/Mac/SPF roughly this order. There should have 1-2 wolves here. If they're all town we deserve to lose because that would mean the strong player trinity all misplayed hard.

I guess I still read Lilypetal and Lucy as misplaying town. Lilypetal brings me some concern because I kinda didn't like her entrance and I'm seeing some things uncharacteristic to what I'm used of town!her but meh.
i hate this post
especially because it goes 24h before eod
yah it feels a bit like anti-spew, not sure why creature is already throwing in the towel and planning for his death when alison is literally still the leading wagon
Hasn't Alison done the exact same?
this response makes no sense because alison was/is in the leading wagon and is widely agreed to be the person who dies today, so it makes sense for her to throw in the towel. it does not make sense for you to throw in the towel

why are you trying to deflect to alison instead of standing up for your own actions?

I don't know. I've been treated with bad-faith so much I'd rather just command town what to do after I die. Alison prob still needs to be resolved because now I feel like she is playing against her own standards. Mac needs to die D4 if he's still alive and hasn't produced us any pelt. Then you prob have to go if you have only pushed town all game.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:33 pm creature voting me here is a wolfclaim and if he holds it to the EOD he should be assumed to just be in anti-spew

will answer the other posts directed at me in a bit

Sorry I'm too busy bussing you and Porscha and everybody seems to have caught us three so sorry tram we can try better next time.

Alright bussing time then

[VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:25 pm People who have read the whole game and are not Creature/Porcha/SPF is that team viable?

Nothing excludes a Porscha/SPF wolfteam tbh.

Neon still bothers me for sounding robotic.

I kinda think Rondo is town here, but meh.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:20 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:15 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:13 pm If I am lynched always kill Alison/Mac/SPF roughly this order. There should have 1-2 wolves here. If they're all town we deserve to lose because that would mean the strong player trinity all misplayed hard.

I guess I still read Lilypetal and Lucy as misplaying town. Lilypetal brings me some concern because I kinda didn't like her entrance and I'm seeing some things uncharacteristic to what I'm used of town!her but meh.
i hate this post
especially because it goes 24h before eod
yah it feels a bit like anti-spew, not sure why creature is already throwing in the towel and planning for his death when alison is literally still the leading wagon

Hasn't Alison done the exact same?

Did Boq do anything useful today? I feel like he has been defensive all game and I haven't seen any input from him today when it most matters.

@Lilypetal
@lucy

After I am lynched, please lynch Alison > Mac > SPF roughly this order and only stop to reevaluate upon a red flip.

If they're all town then enjoy the free wolf win.

If I am lynched always kill Alison/Mac/SPF roughly this order. There should have 1-2 wolves here. If they're all town we deserve to lose because that would mean the strong player trinity all misplayed hard.

I guess I still read Lilypetal and Lucy as misplaying town. Lilypetal brings me some concern because I kinda didn't like her entrance and I'm seeing some things uncharacteristic to what I'm used of town!her but meh.

idk if Porscha is with either Alison or Mac here. Though I can see Porscha being wolf with SPF.

Alright I'm tired.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

If Alison flips town we're prob losing.

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