The Syndicate

Never seen so much postgame theory discussion around one wrong read.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:27 am And Mikey that is a trust tell and you should knock it off because it ruins games.

GG all, think I finally "get" TS.

Can we see the original rand @Sloonei?

Agree with Martin that if he's scum it's probably antispew.

Wait he unvoted?

My working theory is "he's lazy".

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:39 pm What is core?

Towncore
Basically "I trust these people".

Went into Mikey's ISO thinking there would be more clearing material than I actually found. Huh.

Alison core candidate
Esooa core candidate

Funny writing that after Esooa joked before the game that she'd roll scum w/ Alison and pocket me but I guess it's working.

fs core
Martin core
Brb

Can't believe I forgot Martin was town while talking to Martin.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:31 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:28 pm My reads are a mess AMA
how is it a mess

is it like you're more conflicted on certain reads

or is it like you have X read(s) and Y read(s) but with worldbuilding they seem to conflict?

I'm curious

Got a bunch of small reasons to townread people and not much else. Only super confident read I can name off the top of my head is fingersplints. Realized I don't actually w read any of my GtH w reads.

My reads are a mess AMA

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:32 pm Alison

look at falcons read on seanzie

that's called TMI wowee

everyone reading seanzie without tmi found him scummy

Counterexample: me

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:10 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:02 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:01 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:16 am No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr
nanook quin and ratrug why?
Couldn't remember anything good about them
what do u remember that's good about me

In my worst Nook impression, vibes
Also something Alison said that I sheeped.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:05 pm I love how confident you guys are on some of your reads. I’m so distrusting. I’m over here probably leaning town on a couple people, some slight suspicion, but a lot of question marks still.

It's easy, watch:

fingersplints is town

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:03 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:16 am No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr
i'll bite. why me?

See the post before yours

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:01 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:16 am No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr
nanook quin and ratrug why?

Couldn't remember anything good about them

I don't get the falcon and Bo cases at all. Afaict they're both for being slightly underwhelming. Still like Bo's early posting for effort pure smth smth. Someone tell me what I'm missing.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:49 pm Thank you very much for the answers Alison. I took a while trying to figure them out. I looked at one of the read lists earlier and thought the w was 2 v’s like extra townie I’m learning the terms. Funny how the lingo changes over time/from different sites

My role PM says I'm an extra townie

Aliison is town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:50 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:38 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:00 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:16 am No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr
Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss
I don't want to reread, tell me why.
You're not gonna like the answer probably

Good vibes

You're making yourself look like a TS user.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:00 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:16 am No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr
Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

I don't want to reread, tell me why.

Mostly just GtH

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:46 am Martin and Mikey (ts account) are probably town.

Sheeping

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:37 am People don't care because they don't believe it's AI and think I could make that read on fingersplints either way. They're also well aware that I can adequately back up my read any time I want regardless of my alignment. The people in the thread who have responded to your little soapbox generally prioritize thread health and not gumming up the thread with 10000 walls of text that won't convince anyone over random nitpicks. If you're going to talk about anti-town you should know that you're being the most anti-town person in the entire thread right now. I'm refusing to interact with what you're saying because I'm convinced that it's the best strategy, if you don't like it then too bad.

See, this is all true, except you are interacting with what he's saying.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:58 am I'm not convinced that what Alison is doing today is out of her scum-range, I would have to think about it more tbh.

I don't think she's in any way scummier than seanzie though, and reading about all of this is a bit boring.

I kinda want to vote seanzie just to get this over with and not have to concern myself with it on D2. I personally think some of his actions are quite scummy but a select few of his arguments seems to ring genuinely dumb and poorly thought-out to me at a glance either due to confbias or otherwise as a result of being town. In the event of any fantasy thunder-dome though I would likely almost always vote Seanzie here and even if he flipped green I don't think that would be damning for Alison, and would require closer analysis. If he flipped red though, I would give say a 85% chance that Alison is town bc while its not impossible to hard-push teammates on D1 its generally not the first push of D1 imo and experience, much less a 1st post being an almost bare-bones vote.

I liked Long Con's earlier point about Falcon45ca, but I am slightly suspicious of TS jumping onto that wagon as a sheep. It kinda implies that he has no scum-reads but apparently had enough trust in a vote-count tell to put Seanzie in a town-core. Seems like he would vote people for weak reasons (if he was independently scum-hunting and not sheeping) just as he town-cores for weak reasons but doesn't.

[VOTE: TS Account] aubergine

I see what Alison meant by free cop check.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:38 am do we have to lynch in alison/seanzie? Seems really stupid js

We don't.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:59 am Seanzie trying to convince the rest of the town that they definitely shouldn't trust my reads even if one is proven to be right because I'm just lucky!!!!! is both caught for the wrong reasons and a pre-emptive discredit of me after I get N1ed

Seanzie trying to press me about my read on fingersplints is silly because he's already committed to suicide bombing me and should be putting work into finding my partners if he's town, not arguing a point with someone who's going to be outed with tomorrow

Seanzie is scum.

This reeeeally isn't the time for you in particualr to say "this player is scum for doing this pointless thing".

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:48 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:39 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:27 am @Kylemii if you can vote someone in the above, that'd be cool
those names seem pretty arbitrary? why did u pick them
I scum read all them to various degrees

Lmk more about Bo when you wake up

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:28 am There's only 6 votes on the poll right now. This game has 14 players. I expect every player without a vote to vote as soon as they next come into thread

[VOTE: Ratrug] aubergine

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:15 am I read the first half of c4's ISO cause that was enough to call him town so gj c4 ig

Achromatic wrote:Well that was way too easy.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:52 am It's not. Seanzie isn't a tunnelly enough player to suicide bomb on page 8. It's just bravado.

You familiar with Seanzie? Tell me more.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:26 am Also perspective slip on the incorrect read argument because it only applies if the person in question is town and trying to measure accuracy of reads. Also attempt to dismiss any correct reads I have as "just luck" after hyping up my scumreading ability and using it as an integral part of the case against me in his original post.

The case against this guy just keeps piling higher and higher.

Guess not

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:24 am Valiant attempt to bait me into a thunderdome to try to gum up the thread with page after page of gish gallops nobody will read. I especially appreciated the part where he accuses me of not reading because he thinks I can be provoked.

My ISO isn't long. The answers are all in there. You can continue banging this drum as long as you want, but everyone in the thread knows you're a wolf.

Does this mean it's over?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:57 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:53 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:48 am If you're trying to argue that I'm scum because I'm playing differently from Spank! then you're completely outed. Also if you're desperate enough to try 1v1ing me on page 6 then it means I'm probably right about your team.
I'm arguing that you're scum because you aren't townhunting and you are batting 0. If you want a thunderdome, we can have it out. If you win, everyone gets to see how wrong you are... so you lose.
I've called bunch of people (LC, c4, fingersplints) town and have openly said that I do not believe nook/Esooa is scum with you two (which means I don't suspect them right now).

You seem to be suspiciously confident that I'm batting 0 when I've expressed scumreads on 3 people and if you're town you should only know the alignments of one of them. Hell, you seem to believe that I'm batting 0 even though one of the people I'm wolfreading is BK, your top scumread until now.

You're lying through your teeth and faking this bravado about the thunderdome.

And why can't townies exaggerate and want fake bravado? Townies want to be townread too. None of Seanzie's attacks that I've read so far can't be explained by tilted townie.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:54 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:49 am also quin, but that was just throwing mud to get him to notice me, rather than for the regular reasons
Actually I think this is slightly townie because I think wolf Kyle might try to sell me on the idea that his read on Quin is real whereas town Kyle is more likely to be laidback and "yeah, I'll just hang out with Quin and figure 'em out later".

Sheeping

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:19 am
Ratrug wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 pm Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.
Why is that?
Because I believe the first two mafia are BK and Seanzie, and if BK and Seanzie are mafia then they entered the thread by loudly distancing. And if they entered the thread by loudly distancing it suggests that their third member is afk and probably someone neither of them know. You and ts account fit that bill; for instance I don't think BK and Seanzie would play this day the way they did if Esooa or Nanook was the third. fingersplints is a candidate but they're sufficiently townie that they aren't my highest suspect.

Now this relies on a few assumptions so I wasn't as confident that it had to be exactly you two. But luckily your beetlejuice has affirmed my suspicions on you, so I feel good that I'm on the right track.

Wait there might be a point here with the beetlejuice. Cftwr?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:15 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:48 pm For the reason in the post you quoted. Because Bo's reaction is tempered in a very hard-to-fake way, not overreacting and shrinking away too much, and no false bravado at the same time. Just gives a quiet "wtf" and moves on with his life.

Oh but mainly Bo is towny and the reason you have to call them w/w is pretty hardcore reachy.
What do you make of the post I called "awkward"?

Thought it was comfortably in the range of an already awkward townie. Thought Bo was already awkward in the thread in general by then. Not really putting any weight on it.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:19 pm what is everyones read on fingersplits?

v

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:34 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:51 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:04 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:12 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:01 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:54 pm LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.
In a "That's a BS reason to sus someone", or a "Yeah that's a good point" way?
Former.
It's not a BS reason. I mean, I don't think it's a read I'd make here, but writing style is definitely a way to read people.
If you know them really well, sure. I don't get the impression that LC knows Seanzie very well, and uh... I suspect this writing style is normal for Seanzie, for reasons.
I'd guess LC knows me better than you do, even though you are right, me writing something like "calm my qualms" is something NAI for me. What are your reasons for thinking so?

Reasons that won't be discussed during this game.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:43 pm alison is town imo

Seconded

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:04 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:12 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:01 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:54 pm LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.
In a "That's a BS reason to sus someone", or a "Yeah that's a good point" way?
Former.
It's not a BS reason. I mean, I don't think it's a read I'd make here, but writing style is definitely a way to read people.

If you know them really well, sure. I don't get the impression that LC knows Seanzie very well, and uh... I suspect this writing style is normal for Seanzie, for reasons.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:03 pm Did anyone wear green today?

Yes.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:03 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:53 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:24 pm But no one is cool enough to say the phrase "calms my qualms" naturally, that is a constructed deliberate careful thing to say, and it shows that Sean is Mafia.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine
Interesting take. What's your take-away from his interactions with BK if Seanzie is Maf?
Bo is actually getting confused and overwhelmed by Seanzie's questioning in real time. Not w/w, sorry Alison.
If they are wolves together they are faking a fight to distance.

Why do you think this is not a faked fight?

For the reason in the post you quoted. Because Bo's reaction is tempered in a very hard-to-fake way, not overreacting and shrinking away too much, and no false bravado at the same time. Just gives a quiet "wtf" and moves on with his life.

Oh but mainly Bo is towny and the reason you have to call them w/w is pretty hardcore reachy.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:31 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:17 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:24 pm Nothing nitpicky about it. My gut says he's bad, and that phrase is what triggered that.
You don't feel that scum reading a player over their word choice is nitpicky?
I think that term is situational, and I don't believe I qualify.
Isn't every term situational?
Isn't your face situational?

What about mine?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:24 pm Nothing nitpicky about it. My gut says he's bad, and that phrase is what triggered that.

You're fine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:56 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:39 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:53 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:24 pm But no one is cool enough to say the phrase "calms my qualms" naturally, that is a constructed deliberate careful thing to say, and it shows that Sean is Mafia.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine
Interesting take. What's your take-away from his interactions with BK if Seanzie is Maf?
Bo is actually getting confused and overwhelmed by Seanzie's questioning in real time. Not w/w, sorry Alison.
Are you thinking w/t, t/w or t/t?
Bo v, you I have no idea.
v for vendetta villager?

Yes.

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