The Syndicate

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 2:36 pm okay, so here's to expand on my previous point.

who is the one person that everyone this dayphase has been accentuating that they're not w/w with? that's right, it's mostly been mana. akemi, julinook, tspic, and bottom text i think have all been like "i'm not w/w with mana!"

one of these is a wolf. like, guaranteed. but why is everyone arguing that they're not w/w with mana? sure, mana is one of the primary defenestrates that could occur today, but there hasn't been nearly as much contention for why people aren't with w/w with anyone else. people aren't exactly arguing why they aren't w/w with bottom text, or tspic. it's all been circling around mana.

that's why i think mana might just be a wolf here. the wolf might just know mana is their partner, and is trying to set themselves up for the long haul.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:42 pm TSPIC please quote the interactions with Mana you have that you think clears you from being teammates with them.

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:28 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:25 pm If Mana is a wolf you should have us lock cleared as far as I am concerned.

you're misunderstanding. if mana is a wolf, i have potentially clearing interactions for everyone in the game, other than maybe toopy and binoo. but i think toopy and binoo is just a villager regardless. at that point, it's a matter of determining which of the interactions are the MOST plausibly w/w. do you really think your interactions with mana are the most clearing period? i read your argument for why you're clear if mana is a wolf and i'm underwhelmed with all due respect.

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:21 pm

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:17 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:15 pm But who tf is manas partner then, I thought tr could be but meh feels like a stretch

The question then becomes who tf is anyone's partner

We're almost certainly dealing with bussing somewhere.

yeah for certain, i'm trying to process what this means because if mana is a wolf, some sort of theater has occurred. otherwise it doesn't really make sense for mana to have a team fmpov

i don't think i'm misclearing toopy and binoo or you? and i think the strongest clear i'd have if mana is a wolf is julinook for how they approached d1. either that or bottom text.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:17 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:58 pm Can I actually get a reason for why we're aligned with Mana? I feel like we're pretty much spewed not w/w from interactions and myself wanting to personally chop them from D1.

I feel like from interactions we're unlikely to be with BT, but I guess it isn't impossible from an outsiders perspective. If T&T was a wolf, what are the chances that BT was a wolf and we had w/w wagons. It's not impossible, but the chances of it are very unlikely. And I think from voting wagonomics that Mana is more likely to be aligned with T&T than BT was to T&T.

Can you talk more about that last sentence

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:27 pm mmmm I'm a little discomforted by the way TSPIC constantly says we're shiningly town, we're out of our scum range and stuff, when he's just not

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:27 pm mmmm I'm a little discomforted by the way TSPIC constantly says we're shiningly town, we're out of our scum range and stuff, when he's just not

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:20 pm we're spewed not wolves with all of TAT, Mana, TSPIC and BT and it's practically guaranteed there's multiple wolves in there lmao

Julinook wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:13 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:10 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:08 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:05 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:02 pm It's process of elimination though, and I have already said that I feel less confident that you're a hit. I want to kill Mana over you anyway.

I know we're blatantly villagers when we town told 400 posts ago.

I mean if tat and mana are both mafia im basically clear, lol, im not gonna hard bus both my partners d1 if those partners are tim/hk and made/Dana and idk how you think that could conceivably be a real world

Tbh I didn't actually look into ISO's, just the vote counts at EOD1 but that's what it led me to. If T&T/mana are wolves who is the other partner?

Idk, I haven't been world building in anything approaching a serious manner. Off hand probably someone on the poop wagon, but idk who that is without looking

*BT wagon. Idk why I thought poop for a minute

Julinook wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:05 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:02 pm It's process of elimination though, and I have already said that I feel less confident that you're a hit. I want to kill Mana over you anyway.

I know we're blatantly villagers when we town told 400 posts ago.

I mean if tat and mana are both mafia im basically clear, lol, im not gonna hard bus both my partners d1 if those partners are tim/hk and made/Dana and idk how you think that could conceivably be a real world

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:41 am you're capped btw tspic

also literally almost everyone townreads toopy and binoo anyways and if you're a wolf in that position then bussing is literally anti-win con

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:29 am

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:25 am

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:23 am

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:20 am I think Mana fits considerably more worlds than anyone and is the better yet choice atm. I'm less confident on Julinook being a wolf, but it's who I have down in my current world rn

i don't actually think this is true?

akemi/poop explosions/toopy and binoo/bottom text all don't make sense to be with mana. maybe not you either

and obviously i'm not wolves with them either

It does from my PoV

I can see them not making sense with bottom text, but why not the other three you mentioned and yourself?

well from my perspective it's impossible for me to be with mana because i'm a villager, that's all i mean by that

if akemi/mana are wolves together then i think the fact that mana carried the kill instead of akemi is weird. like if that's the team the role interactions between them and julinook is weird. that also assumes that both of the investigatives are wolves, which (x) doubt

mana also spent a decent chunk of time pushing on akemi/poop explosions for a decent chunk of yesterday and today. they eventually laid off on akemi but i think if they are wolves with either of akemi or poop explosions, that distancing was just completely pointless.

and toopy and binoo has devoted a decent chunk of the day to bottlenecking the votes between poop explosions and mana, and poop explosions is never dying today anyways

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:23 am

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:20 am I think Mana fits considerably more worlds than anyone and is the better yet choice atm. I'm less confident on Julinook being a wolf, but it's who I have down in my current world rn

i don't actually think this is true?

akemi/poop explosions/toopy and binoo/bottom text all don't make sense to be with mana. maybe not you either

and obviously i'm not wolves with them either

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:58 am

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 8:32 pm someone needs to find a good way to TR me so we can stop dealing with this nonsense but I think I'm decent at reading JPIC after the last few games and read his day 1 iso it's very town

tbf you read me wrong in fargo

And also, apparently we are five posts away from hitting cap

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 8:32 pm someone needs to find a good way to TR me so we can stop dealing with this nonsense but I think I'm decent at reading JPIC after the last few games and read his day 1 iso it's very town

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:22 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:12 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 10:00 am

trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:58 am tspic, have you used your action(s) this game? for what possible reason could you have to hide it? does your role conflict with anyone else’s?

For kicks

c'mon dude you literally didn't answer all of my questions, on top of the fact that the one question you did answer is a non-answer.

yes
unclear
possibly but I don't think it's worth discussing.

to the extent that it is:

we are an x-shot roleblocker and blocked H/V last night

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:19 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:47 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:45 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:44 pm That is

Not an ideal n1

But a pretty impressive one nonetheless ngl

in a hypothetical world where you dont exist

alison tracks mana visiting themselves
mana watches themselves be visited by themselves, myself, and alison

smh

I cannot forgive myself for preventing this from happening


Assuming both claims are real but

Mana's probably is at least

noting the existence of this post

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:00 pm Also, unless I'm miscounting: if we're in a 3-man scenario, at least one of TSPIC/BT/Akemi is scum (TSPIC & BT for being the targets, Akemi for being one of the two votes to put someone at L-3 in both scenarios). They were both at L-3 for multiple hours, plenty of time for hydras to coordinate an alpha strike (since schedules line up better). I'm fine with killing either TSPIC or Mana tonight, but given the fact that there has to be one in TSPIC/BT/Akemi if we're in MyLo, I'd rather kill TSPIC. If we're not in MyLo and TSPIC flips town, we've eliminated another uncertainty and Nook looks much more sus from a balance standpoint. If TSPIC is scum, Nook's pretty clear imo and Mana looks worse from TSPIC's distancing attempt.

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:00 pm Okay, the team in my head right now is Mana/TSPIC/(?/T&T)

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:24 am hmmm, mana not thinking we're a wolf when they could ride the wolf reads on us is a decent look?

@Mana - why don't you think we're wolves?

Keep this in mind; Mana responds to this with something to the effect of "you're still in PoE" for 3-man teams.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 10:48 am I think toopy & binoo are always a different alignment to T&T. I agree with my partners read in regards to the Tim impersonation, it seemed way too on point to have faked. Using a medium ability on Tim/HK is pretty villagery thing to do when they've just been janitored and trying to get some spew. I'm trying to think of a reason why mafia would ever use that ability on town/mafia that they've just janitored and I'm drawing a blank - unless they just wanted to get some cred, but the impersonation does work in their favour. It's possible it's W/W but I think you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get there, and I don't really see it tbh. In sort, I think T&B are a villager and T&T was a wolf.

In your mind, what make T&T & us being W/W unlikely? It's not really that farfetched; if it's just based on impersonation, that could've been easily coordinated in scumchat.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:24 pm now that the game is over I think our slot is basically cleared as town just off jpic's meta. see the previous few games for comparison.

Self-meta is awful. All of their page 80 reads as panicked, imo. It's rapid multiposts with little actual substance.

trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:54 pm i dont think the roleblocker and jailkeeper coexist as town

i think roleblocker is slightly more likely to be a wolf role but im not convinced either way

also fairly confident T&T was a wolf and as such we aren't in mylo, and i don't want to play it like we are

~mawile

+1; doesn't make sense from a balance standpoint for both Nook and TSPIC to be telling the truth, and I believe Nook a heck of a lot more.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:11 pm I will say that meta wise mana doesn’t look great

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:43 pm Funny how mana was townreading us a second ago

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:47 pm Mana suspiciously impossible to yeet this game despite not being villagery for most of it

I think this is the point where TSPIC realized it's unlikely both they and Mana are making it out of this phase, so they're trying to distance. This seems inconsistent with their prior position toward Mana; the change of heart & vote read as distancing. I would've believed just a self-pres vote, but it looks like they're trying to disassociate themselves with the cat.

Also, unless I'm miscounting: if we're in a 3-man scenario, at least one of TSPIC/BT/Akemi is scum (TSPIC & BT for being the targets, Akemi for being one of the two votes to put someone at L-3 in both scenarios). They were both at L-3 for multiple hours, plenty of time for hydras to coordinate an alpha strike (since schedules line up better). I'm fine with killing either TSPIC or Mana tonight, but given the fact that there has to be one in TSPIC/BT/Akemi if we're in MyLo, I'd rather kill TSPIC. If we're not in MyLo and TSPIC flips town, we've eliminated another uncertainty and Nook looks much more sus from a balance standpoint. If TSPIC is scum, Nook's pretty clear imo and Mana looks worse from TSPIC's distancing attempt.

- Binoo

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 8:44 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 8:38 pm oh there also have to be three wolves

If that’s the case then Mana or Poop is 100% Scum unless Mafia decided to not take the easy win.

-Toopy