Ted Lasso Mafia - game over!

[ts account]

Can someone please match and diffuse Rondo's negative energy? They're kind of bullyish and I don't really want them having a town leader voice, which it seems they're trying to wrest out of ego based on some recent comments

[RondoDimBuckle]

In no paticular order:
Town
Bereft
Cape90
DrWilgy
Princess Abigail
robyn
RondoDimBuckle

I can understand why people would think they are towny
Thunal33
LoRab
DarlingMonroe


Scum POE
S~V~S
Scotty
ts account

This is my poe:

Thunal33 - JJJ Thought was town? [citation needed]
LoRab - if exactly mr moneybags neon needs a good looking at
DarlingMonroe

Scum POE
S~V~S
Scotty
ts account


who has opinions on order of chops

[RondoDimBuckle]

More like out of sight out of mind- I had already townleaned them and weren’t a part of my poe

how does that make sense? You TOWN READ a 0 poster on 0 content.

this just makes no sense

you say it makes no sense, but their read was more accurate than yours so idk fam

See this is just wolf sus, how do you know how accurate I am? You havent even been here.

Also I have 100% accuracy. I have voted a wolf EOD every day. What have you been doing?

Whew love this energy Rondo.

Pocket denied. Give me a reads list

scum: svs, lorab, ts account

by process of elimination: town, everyone else

least townies but still town: bereft, princess a

how do you factor Robyns shield of bereft and cape? Does that not tell you anything?

How do you factor Neon throwing herself into thread to get a wolf over yesterday when it could have been lorab?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Can someone please match and diffuse Rondo's negative energy? They're kind of bullyish and I don't really want them having a town leader voice, which it seems they're trying to wrest out of ego based on some recent comments

Im not and never will be town leader before lylo. I am just not letting you skirt by

[ts account]

Just under 12 hours elapsed between this:

‪Michelle‬

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

and this:

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

During that period, Michelle made these posts:

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

@Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail

or any subset of them if you don't have time

I read zero SVS posts,
Lorad same,
Scotty posts coloured like parrot feathers and i have little understanding for the meaning of what I read, idk what to do but I'd say he seems to try a solve so it's more towny than not
Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it :evileye:

Not town

I concur

Explain

You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.

I had traction for low activity.

@Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.

You force me to self press on Sean

This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it :evileye:

Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.

EOD1 wagons were on me vs zero poster and SVS iirc, and I only knew my alignament so I self pressed.
Why Sean? I know he would never leave the Poe, as absent slot all day long.
Also people were pushing for him.
Is that the reason you are voting me?

Rondo all that “keeping me in check” is omgusing my suspicions after giving me the easiest town read I have ever received.

what do you mean by this? You clearly don't think Thunal is super towny unless i am misinterpreting what you are saying

I was referring to Michelle in that comment. Rondo made an argument for why Michelle's responses to me at EOD1 were towny, and that was my counter.

Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

Robyn had a town core of Cape and Bereft. A simple stance and I didn't notice anyone to say something against it. At the time I had a thought and I don't want to give it away but I wouldn't vote any of them.

I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.

I am sorry, weekends should be time out from mafia. At least Sundays.
I will be active, pinky promise!

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

Welcome back friend. Glad you are having a good day.

Thanks! :heart:

Time for a few Isos now

Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Why?.

Oh nvm, i wouldn't understand it -.-

I opened SVSs Iso and she has 50 posts, it will take some time.

I was afk all day.

Not voting now doesn't mean I will not vote at all.

I know who I am not voting, but I will read at least SVSs Iso before voting.

There's something i noticed but i wait to see if i am the only one

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.

Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab :nicenod:

yeah, bereft/michelle/lorab/svs is where I am at for wolves

and it seems town has gotten it together with votes on all of them... and them not voting for each other or for townies is what is convincing me

Can you say it again?

I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
4
36%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, robyn, Thunal33, Michelle
‪Michelle‬
1
9%
Voters: DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy
Total votes: 11

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

I am brain sleeping :offtobed:

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

It's only barely a meta read in that this is her second game on the site. I hosted the first. She should be interpreted through that lens -- a brand new mafia player. I just think she looks real.

Second game with no other experience of forum mafia/other social deduction games?

I was hoping I wouldn't check on this and find virtually no new Michelle material to explain Abigail's change of heart. However, there is a ton of material, so it's conceivable for that to have been legitimate. Some of Michelle's most important material came during the appropriate window (e.g., suspecting and voting LoRab).

does anyone know what the relationship between michelle+abigail+lorab is?
So far I have abigail flipflopping on michelle and lorab being spewed clear
are there any other relationships here that could paint a clearer picture?

[ts account]

Can someone please match and diffuse Rondo's negative energy? They're kind of bullyish and I don't really want them having a town leader voice, which it seems they're trying to wrest out of ego based on some recent comments

Im not and never will be town leader before lylo. I am just not letting you skirt by

well, in that case, I've been doing just fine without you, thanks for your help

[RondoDimBuckle]

OH FUCK. wilgy is guaranteed town

[RondoDimBuckle]

OH FUCK. wilgy is guaranteed town

I will elaborate tomorrow if I am right. But for now continue as normal

[RondoDimBuckle]

Can someone please match and diffuse Rondo's negative energy? They're kind of bullyish and I don't really want them having a town leader voice, which it seems they're trying to wrest out of ego based on some recent comments

Im not and never will be town leader before lylo. I am just not letting you skirt by

well, in that case, I've been doing just fine without you, thanks for your help

clearly. I disagree. Have you even gone to read D1? Have you even tried to find a wolf team?

[ts account]

[VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

I'm placing my vote here for the time being, since it's my only real suspicion on limited time. I'll probably have to self pres later but it would be cool if cool people looked into abigail with/for me

[ts account]

I was ready to come in and dome Cape/Thunal/JJJ/LonCon and just push Cape all day. But I guess I need to re-assess. Probably still staying within

Still on Cape > Thunal / JJJ. Maybe Scotty as 4th now or SVS.

Town Core:
Neon, Bereft, Dr Wilgy, LoRab, Michelle, Robyn.

"100% accuracy"

Town Core:
Neon, Bereft, Dr Wilgy, LoRab, Michelle, Robyn.

Town Core:
Michelle

lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: SVS ] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

I was ready to come in and dome Cape/Thunal/JJJ/LonCon and just push Cape all day. But I guess I need to re-assess. Probably still staying within

Still on Cape > Thunal / JJJ. Maybe Scotty as 4th now or SVS.

Town Core:
Neon, Bereft, Dr Wilgy, LoRab, Michelle, Robyn.

"100% accuracy"

Town Core:
Neon, Bereft, Dr Wilgy, LoRab, Michelle, Robyn.

Town Core:
Michelle

lol

Yes, I gave up my own ego to get a wolf. I thought Michelle was towny. Enough people disagreed. You can sit here sniping with me and get voted out or you can go find a wolf team

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: SVS ] aubergine

[VOTE: TS ] aubergine

[ts account]

no, you're taking credit for other people's sleuthing while all you did was hop on a bandwagon with a lucky vote

I'm backreading, just like you asked me to. You're welcome

[RondoDimBuckle]

no, you're taking credit for other people's sleuthing while all you did was hop on a bandwagon with a lucky vote

I'm backreading, just like you asked me to. You're welcome

Excellent, hell yeah I am taking credit.

[Bereft]

I don't really want them having a town leader voice

I'm pretty cool with it to be honest.
Things need to get done around here until I'm forced back into the fold of directing the game.

[Bereft]

My issue, is that you're taking issue with someone being town leader.

What is scummy about this?

Exactly nothing.

It does not add up.

[Bereft]

"Its not shade" - I dont care, Its not helpful about this juncture, it sounds like complaining.

[ts account]

My issue, is that you're taking issue with someone being town leader.

What is scummy about this?

Exactly nothing.

It does not add up.

I don't like them

[robyn]

Can someone please match and diffuse Rondo's negative energy? They're kind of bullyish and I don't really want them having a town leader voice, which it seems they're trying to wrest out of ego based on some recent comments

rondo is much nicer than me lol, and i’m the alternative

[Scotty]

Bereft is the most likely deepwolf candidate and I still suspect him for association with the big talkers without content I remember. Light scum

I like my wall part on Bereft so I do want to redirect you to that

Read it. In a vacuum, I see his town equity, but that’s why I think he is a good deep wolf candidate. Everything he’s done is easily possible to do as a wolf.

how highly do you value robin's opinion of the slot

I think you’ll see in a pretty recent interaction (like last page?) that I take Robyn’s locktown/godreads/would-let-hold-my-baby trust with a grain of salt.

Why? How high do you value…anyone’s opinion so far?

[Scotty]

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Looking at LoRab voters: (Hopefully stuff formats correctly)

Bereft:

I think Bereft's read on Scotty/LoRab is actually kind of towny and the world he presented with them and the strong language he used to make his argument #2496/#2517. All this despite his resistance to the Michelle wagon which to me kind of read as scummy #2476/#2477. But like even that is kinda towny on virtue of being this sort of stream of consciousness type of way. I like his confidence on his Rondo townread also.
Sidenote: I was getting kind of worried about Rondo just powerwolfing based on the pushes that he's done earlier, but have felt better about Rondo as he started talking more throughout the day, like for me, my thinking on Rondo went from "he's town" to "eh, like he could just be trying to eliminate towns through pushing whatever" back to "he's town" in short.
I kind of think #2342 was weak on a gut level.
Also Bereft saying the current wagons are bad but then suggesting ts account as a top wolf was funny to me (#2335) with the linked 2342, which is part of the reason why I have my issues with Bereft to be completely honest. Though I will say I don't mind the notion that Scotty could be mafia.
I think beyond this point, I do not really get like a whole lot out of Bereft's day 2, but I am in the zone of thinking he believes what he says which to me is a good look even with my said qualms there.

DarlingMonroe:

Despite seemingly also suspecting Michelle, DarlingMonroe was on LoRab. DM was also voting/tinfoiling Bereft which I find interesting... probably slightly towny. I randomly like #2191 even though I am also left a tad confused by it, but it does show a confidence in their own words. #2167 sort of pinged me when it came to Bereft, like in the sort of way where DarlingMonroe was pushing Bereft on the virtue that he is a strong player. On top of that if his thought processes throughout the game come across in the same exact way as Thunal's, wouldn't this be a cause for concern for DarlingMonroe?
#2166 I am also slightly concerned about because is seems like DM is calling Princess Abigail town only because she didn't ping them as much as the other four DM listed, which isn't really a real read on Princess Abigail.

OKAY I HAVE A POSSIBLY SILLY QUESTION
In #2127 DarlingMonroe says "And I understand LoRab is busy IRL..." right? So is this a scumslip? I mean you could maybe assume as much from them not showing up to the thread, but they haven't completely said outright that they were busy IRL directly so maybe they got the hear from LoRab from... somewhere else? Dun dun dun.
IDK if I actually believe that.
Uh.
Anyways...
#2103 points out all the no voters that were not voting day 2 in a... lateish stage. Also if S~V~S is actually mafia, DarlingMonroe is ALWAYS just town for #849.
Thinking lightly town just off last game when they were town were basically not voted off because of their PR claim, despite honestly not being all that towny (this is from the perspective of me being mafia though). Also I saw more OMGUS going on with her in her previous towngame which idk if that's like a reliable thing.

SIDENOTE: #2151 from S~V~S seems sketchy to me, though they voted Michelle.

Scotty:

The completely cursed slot himself, making hard to dechipher posts. Kinda found what he was trying to communicate from what I deciphered to be just kind of in the zone of "blendy okayness" IE: #2178 him questioning Thunal here I believe.
I'm guessing the curse is a thing that could be for anything, I think if Michelle flipped villager, this is exactly where I think mafia would be, but now with the flip, I am not so sure. Like I am sure scotty could maybe talk them out of sus better then Michelle, but it could also mean that Scotty is a mafia PR more powerful then Michelle, like maybe a Rupert...
Scotty did start day 2 by voting Michelle.
Going back to day 1 #1046 pinged me, especially if niche=michelle idk. Like mafia would talk to their partners in that way in a freak outty type of way. I find it rather sloppy also that Scotty asked about why people thought Seanzie was a hit, then to tell people to go on Seanzie because he trusted the wagon composition there more then Michelle wagon (comprised of Rondo/Neon/JJJ/DrWilgy, who ALL VOTED MICHELLE DAY 2 AS WELL) (PS: Thanks Rondo for that spreadsheet thing). ALSO #738 this aside is actually really scummy because it goes against his snap decision that "oh kill Seanzie because I like wagon comp on there" thing that he talked about, like ew.
Do not feel so great about #893 just in retrospect and the halphazard Michelle townread he slapped at the end here. Had LC and DM as mafia at the time, insert bad WIFOMy read that Scotty doesn't kill LC because of this.
I feel like if Scotty is mafia, I kinda feel like they might have misused the curse thing because it feels more right to let Scotty talk himself out of being sussed as mafia and to give Michelle the cursed thing? I cannot help but to have that little voice in my head that says that, but I do find Scotty suspicious otherwise for this and already said day 1 reasons. I just hope he can actually communicate today and maybe point to important points he made day 2 or whatever that he wants to be clear, if this is an all game thing, oh boy.

Thunal33:

Thunal kept defending Michelle... interestingly, but I don't think it's outing for reasons. Mostly with how much detail Thunal was putting into continuously talking about Michelle.
Thunal talked about how town is controlling the thread even though they have also talked about not liking the wagons being like 2/2/2 at the time.
I believe the talking that was going on with Princess Abigail is not w/w with Abigail. #2015 is kinda a lame defense of Michelle if you actually read what Michelle is saying there, which I have my doubts that Thunal really did there...
I like Thunal in the #1737 chain of confidence here in terms of their robyn read.
Overall I could see this as wolf, but I am not super convinced for reasons. Like I see Abigail's readslist, then subsequent vote on Michelle and just thinking of those 2 things, like I would have to check back and see what Abigail did in that span of time in developing her read on Michelle if that happened but it does raise concerns just because I don't remember things.

---

Which kinda transitions into I think some funny business might be happening with the wagons. As I pointed out earlier, day 1 had 4 people on the Michelle wagon, and those SAME 4 people are also there day 2, Rondo almost wasn't. Which just seems oddly consistent to me. And LoRab is certainly not towny which makes me question things. I certainly like the names on Michelle technically more then LoRab, my only decent TR on there is Bereft, and those aren't as strong as robyn/JJJ/Rondo on the Michelle wagon so that could also be a sign. Uh yeah wanted to check Abigail specifically next because if there was a bus there, it's like I would likely look there first or S~V~S on like an off chance it's DrWilgy (i feel like i have paid the least attention to Wilgy to be honest so it would probably be fine to check here after Abigail even though my gut says I TR him). This is some food for thought, I am busy tonight, finals week is so much fun!

Holy anal sis wall bat man !

Another day another Cape suspicion

RE: me - yesterday was almost a wash for me, and I have to agree with you, because even I felt blendy in the most unblendy way possible. It was truly *exhausting* to post, and it definitely reflected in my contributions. As a voyeur, not only was I behind, but even if people were able to get through my bullshit, it wasn’t worth the effort to try and clarify bits and pieces. JJJ only got maybe a fraction of what I was saying so my posts were more frustration than solving, so me pointing to specific points today is probably more PTSD because I don’t even want to look at that shit again.

RE: my Seanzie vote- I don’t remember pitching people to vote Seanzie, I just hopped on in the last bit with a split decision to vote him because you/robyn/JJJ were voting there. DESPITE the fact that I definitely was advocating against it to (Jjj?) earlier. It was more of a unifying vote as opposed to stray, ya feel?

Here’s a summary of my Day 2 in my head:
I was settled on Michelle as the counter wagon for almost the entire day, then I started getting cold feett with the big talkers basically controlling the thread and bereft was the one that just seemed like he was on the outside, keeping his vote open, being *there* but I couldn’t pinpoint him as leading any charges. It was the most blendy high posting job of this garm, and a part of me was thinking both Lorab and Michelle were just t/t.

I was able to come in the last 10 min to see a movement on Lorab/michelle. I don’t even know what the count was, but it seemed like there was some squirrelly shit happening with others trying to launch away from Michelle. And I picked wrong! Again!

I came into today thinking Lorax is basically cleared. Is she not? If not, why?

I wanna start cleaning people,and her wagon forming against Michele screams patsy (yes I know I voted there)

Anything from day 2 you felt like highlighting specifically from one of your messages?
Yeah you advocated against it to JJJ, you are correct there.
Like for me, I don't really think in terms of wagon purity when I am making suggestions for pushes personally but I know that's a me thing. I know town can just "be wrong" as we were, idk why I didn't vote Michelle other then I didn't wanna tie the wagons, but I should have in retrospect just because I didn't feel her logs that EOD were towny like (Thunal?) said they were.

So you did townread LoRab? You communicated to JJJ that you didn't with the all caps thing.

I wouldn't say LoRab is cleared unless you think most of the scum is contained in my start of day wall post, at least I would assume. Especially given your stance on Seanzie's wagon day 1 you would be on the same page as me which is why I wrote about every single one of you (though Thunal's was admittedly a kinda rush job, but I also was struggling writing what to say more I guess).

I didn’t have a towny read but the tinfoil part of me was thinking lorab v Michelle was a setup job and bereft was hanging in the background.

I think my opinion of Seanzie is currently clustered around thinking rondo was trying to save Michelle. If rondo were confirmed town, I think I’d be more in line with looking at things in a different light.

And eh, maybe lorab IS the big boss mafia. My gut read based on wagons shifting so often make me feel like there was a save attempt on Michelle onto Lorab that almost worked

ngl I was getting kinda nervous about my vote when I saw that Michelle wasn't giving up

I literally can not express to you enough that you should vote Michelle ffs I'm begging you

Abigail do you have any real reads?

Like saying this last minute is usually uncharacteristic for mafia, not too sure what it means for Abigail, but yeah

It does read like last minute distancing

[Scotty]

The fact that ts account is playing as if it is day 1 and just trying to real time solve is kinda bothering me at this stage of the game and I wonder if it's a playstyle thing or if this is him trying to blend in?

it's almost like this is my first day here hi thanks for noticing I didn't know the game had started

Hello!
I’m going to kidnap your daughter

@RondoDimBuckle how was that

[Scotty]

I know DM is gonna provide their answer, but if I were to say what I think is the case, then gut. My posting style gives people the heebie-jeebies because its looks like I'm lurking in the background way too much. However, I swung out that range in the latter half of yesterday. If anything, campaigning for LoRab makes me look better since for once I was actually doing something.

Since I'm probably not gonna have much time today though, they might just swing back, as their stated reasoning is one of "did stuff" essentially.

Personal preference, but when people make an unprompted self defense that shows a hyper awareness of how others might perceive them, I get suspicious.

[Scotty]

Spoiler: show

Looking at LoRab voters: (Hopefully stuff formats correctly)

Bereft:

I think Bereft's read on Scotty/LoRab is actually kind of towny and the world he presented with them and the strong language he used to make his argument #2496/#2517. All this despite his resistance to the Michelle wagon which to me kind of read as scummy #2476/#2477. But like even that is kinda towny on virtue of being this sort of stream of consciousness type of way. I like his confidence on his Rondo townread also.
Sidenote: I was getting kind of worried about Rondo just powerwolfing based on the pushes that he's done earlier, but have felt better about Rondo as he started talking more throughout the day, like for me, my thinking on Rondo went from "he's town" to "eh, like he could just be trying to eliminate towns through pushing whatever" back to "he's town" in short.
I kind of think #2342 was weak on a gut level.
Also Bereft saying the current wagons are bad but then suggesting ts account as a top wolf was funny to me (#2335) with the linked 2342, which is part of the reason why I have my issues with Bereft to be completely honest. Though I will say I don't mind the notion that Scotty could be mafia.
I think beyond this point, I do not really get like a whole lot out of Bereft's day 2, but I am in the zone of thinking he believes what he says which to me is a good look even with my said qualms there.

DarlingMonroe:

Despite seemingly also suspecting Michelle, DarlingMonroe was on LoRab. DM was also voting/tinfoiling Bereft which I find interesting... probably slightly towny. I randomly like #2191 even though I am also left a tad confused by it, but it does show a confidence in their own words. #2167 sort of pinged me when it came to Bereft, like in the sort of way where DarlingMonroe was pushing Bereft on the virtue that he is a strong player. On top of that if his thought processes throughout the game come across in the same exact way as Thunal's, wouldn't this be a cause for concern for DarlingMonroe?
#2166 I am also slightly concerned about because is seems like DM is calling Princess Abigail town only because she didn't ping them as much as the other four DM listed, which isn't really a real read on Princess Abigail.

OKAY I HAVE A POSSIBLY SILLY QUESTION
In #2127 DarlingMonroe says "And I understand LoRab is busy IRL..." right? So is this a scumslip? I mean you could maybe assume as much from them not showing up to the thread, but they haven't completely said outright that they were busy IRL directly so maybe they got the hear from LoRab from... somewhere else? Dun dun dun.
IDK if I actually believe that.
Uh.
Anyways...
#2103 points out all the no voters that were not voting day 2 in a... lateish stage. Also if S~V~S is actually mafia, DarlingMonroe is ALWAYS just town for #849.
Thinking lightly town just off last game when they were town were basically not voted off because of their PR claim, despite honestly not being all that towny (this is from the perspective of me being mafia though). Also I saw more OMGUS going on with her in her previous towngame which idk if that's like a reliable thing.

SIDENOTE: #2151 from S~V~S seems sketchy to me, though they voted Michelle.

Scotty:

The completely cursed slot himself, making hard to dechipher posts. Kinda found what he was trying to communicate from what I deciphered to be just kind of in the zone of "blendy okayness" IE: #2178 him questioning Thunal here I believe.
I'm guessing the curse is a thing that could be for anything, I think if Michelle flipped villager, this is exactly where I think mafia would be, but now with the flip, I am not so sure. Like I am sure scotty could maybe talk them out of sus better then Michelle, but it could also mean that Scotty is a mafia PR more powerful then Michelle, like maybe a Rupert...
Scotty did start day 2 by voting Michelle.
Going back to day 1 #1046 pinged me, especially if niche=michelle idk. Like mafia would talk to their partners in that way in a freak outty type of way. I find it rather sloppy also that Scotty asked about why people thought Seanzie was a hit, then to tell people to go on Seanzie because he trusted the wagon composition there more then Michelle wagon (comprised of Rondo/Neon/JJJ/DrWilgy, who ALL VOTED MICHELLE DAY 2 AS WELL) (PS: Thanks Rondo for that spreadsheet thing). ALSO #738 this aside is actually really scummy because it goes against his snap decision that "oh kill Seanzie because I like wagon comp on there" thing that he talked about, like ew.
Do not feel so great about #893 just in retrospect and the halphazard Michelle townread he slapped at the end here. Had LC and DM as mafia at the time, insert bad WIFOMy read that Scotty doesn't kill LC because of this.
I feel like if Scotty is mafia, I kinda feel like they might have misused the curse thing because it feels more right to let Scotty talk himself out of being sussed as mafia and to give Michelle the cursed thing? I cannot help but to have that little voice in my head that says that, but I do find Scotty suspicious otherwise for this and already said day 1 reasons. I just hope he can actually communicate today and maybe point to important points he made day 2 or whatever that he wants to be clear, if this is an all game thing, oh boy.

Thunal33:

Thunal kept defending Michelle... interestingly, but I don't think it's outing for reasons. Mostly with how much detail Thunal was putting into continuously talking about Michelle.
Thunal talked about how town is controlling the thread even though they have also talked about not liking the wagons being like 2/2/2 at the time.
I believe the talking that was going on with Princess Abigail is not w/w with Abigail. #2015 is kinda a lame defense of Michelle if you actually read what Michelle is saying there, which I have my doubts that Thunal really did there...
I like Thunal in the #1737 chain of confidence here in terms of their robyn read.
Overall I could see this as wolf, but I am not super convinced for reasons. Like I see Abigail's readslist, then subsequent vote on Michelle and just thinking of those 2 things, like I would have to check back and see what Abigail did in that span of time in developing her read on Michelle if that happened but it does raise concerns just because I don't remember things.

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Which kinda transitions into I think some funny business might be happening with the wagons. As I pointed out earlier, day 1 had 4 people on the Michelle wagon, and those SAME 4 people are also there day 2, Rondo almost wasn't. Which just seems oddly consistent to me. And LoRab is certainly not towny which makes me question things. I certainly like the names on Michelle technically more then LoRab, my only decent TR on there is Bereft, and those aren't as strong as robyn/JJJ/Rondo on the Michelle wagon so that could also be a sign. Uh yeah wanted to check Abigail specifically next because if there was a bus there, it's like I would likely look there first or S~V~S on like an off chance it's DrWilgy (i feel like i have paid the least attention to Wilgy to be honest so it would probably be fine to check here after Abigail even though my gut says I TR him). This is some food for thought, I am busy tonight, finals week is so much fun!

Holy anal sis wall bat man !

Another day another Cape suspicion

RE: me - yesterday was almost a wash for me, and I have to agree with you, because even I felt blendy in the most unblendy way possible. It was truly *exhausting* to post, and it definitely reflected in my contributions. As a voyeur, not only was I behind, but even if people were able to get through my bullshit, it wasn’t worth the effort to try and clarify bits and pieces. JJJ only got maybe a fraction of what I was saying so my posts were more frustration than solving, so me pointing to specific points today is probably more PTSD because I don’t even want to look at that shit again.

RE: my Seanzie vote- I don’t remember pitching people to vote Seanzie, I just hopped on in the last bit with a split decision to vote him because you/robyn/JJJ were voting there. DESPITE the fact that I definitely was advocating against it to (Jjj?) earlier. It was more of a unifying vote as opposed to stray, ya feel?

Here’s a summary of my Day 2 in my head:
I was settled on Michelle as the counter wagon for almost the entire day, then I started getting cold feett with the big talkers basically controlling the thread and bereft was the one that just seemed like he was on the outside, keeping his vote open, being *there* but I couldn’t pinpoint him as leading any charges. It was the most blendy high posting job of this garm, and a part of me was thinking both Lorab and Michelle were just t/t.

I was able to come in the last 10 min to see a movement on Lorab/michelle. I don’t even know what the count was, but it seemed like there was some squirrelly shit happening with others trying to launch away from Michelle. And I picked wrong! Again!

I came into today thinking Lorax is basically cleared. Is she not? If not, why?

I wanna start cleaning people,and her wagon forming against Michele screams patsy (yes I know I voted there)

Anything from day 2 you felt like highlighting specifically from one of your messages?
Yeah you advocated against it to JJJ, you are correct there.
Like for me, I don't really think in terms of wagon purity when I am making suggestions for pushes personally but I know that's a me thing. I know town can just "be wrong" as we were, idk why I didn't vote Michelle other then I didn't wanna tie the wagons, but I should have in retrospect just because I didn't feel her logs that EOD were towny like (Thunal?) said they were.

So you did townread LoRab? You communicated to JJJ that you didn't with the all caps thing.

I wouldn't say LoRab is cleared unless you think most of the scum is contained in my start of day wall post, at least I would assume. Especially given your stance on Seanzie's wagon day 1 you would be on the same page as me which is why I wrote about every single one of you (though Thunal's was admittedly a kinda rush job, but I also was struggling writing what to say more I guess).

I didn’t have a towny read but the tinfoil part of me was thinking lorab v Michelle was a setup job and bereft was hanging in the background.

I think my opinion of Seanzie is currently clustered around thinking rondo was trying to save Michelle. If rondo were confirmed town, I think I’d be more in line with looking at things in a different light.

And eh, maybe lorab IS the big boss mafia. My gut read based on wagons shifting so often make me feel like there was a save attempt on Michelle onto Lorab that almost worked

I feel like LoRab wouldn't be if she were mafia though. I don't think Michelle would try to push her at all if she were Rupert.

Mm you’re probably right.

Ok, well she could still be one of the other ones and mafia would have been picking between who had the best shot to go far.

But like….where is lorab? That’s too much of a push to even try and save someone that only exists in the dream world these days

I’m back on thinking this just clears lorab

[Scotty]

I should have seen the broken vote tags coming.

Thunal, I see you don’t agree with me on rondo.

*checks notes* I feel like no one does. That’s fine, I guess. Maybe I could be tunneling. Maybe. But I don’t think I am.

What is your opinion of me? I feel like you’ve been so waffly on me all game, and find it odd you aren’t piling on

You got waffly from that? I've had you solidly in my PoE all day yesterday and only today I'm backing off because I think Michelle's side of the spew looks good for you. I don't think you're paired with SVS and I suspect SVS so I'd very lightly say you're town.

Well there ya go- my confusion was such that I didn’t realize why you weren’t pushing me- like I seem to remember someone voted bereft after me and you questioned them but not me.

And you haven’t expressed this change of heart today until now. So…yea, waffly. And not the buckwheat kind

[Scotty]

Also if you agree that everything I've done is easily possible to do as a wolf, then you need your license taken away and should probably starting reading your own posts and talking about how easy they are to fake.

The difference here is i’m not almost universally townread. Robyn townreads you because ‘you’re town’ and I’m saying you could easily just.,,not.

I don't really have much patience with this tho.

Do you think both Robyn and Rondo are just claiming I'm town with little coherently explained reasoning for no good reason at all?

It is in fact not "could just as easily".

Are they not?

I’m sorry if they do have reasons- I probably missed them. Could you point them out to me? (This isn’t a veiled sarcastic comment, I’d actually like to see what I’m missing)

[ts account]

I know DM is gonna provide their answer, but if I were to say what I think is the case, then gut. My posting style gives people the heebie-jeebies because its looks like I'm lurking in the background way too much. However, I swung out that range in the latter half of yesterday. If anything, campaigning for LoRab makes me look better since for once I was actually doing something.

Since I'm probably not gonna have much time today though, they might just swing back, as their stated reasoning is one of "did stuff" essentially.

Personal preference, but when people make an unprompted self defense that shows a hyper awareness of how others might perceive them, I get suspicious.

not to bat for bereft here, but I didn't see this as "unprompted". Why do you consider it an unprompted defense?

[Scotty]

I've read a lot of Bereft but I haven't put anything here about it because I have trouble sorting him. I want to call him town and I like his conviction and that we had a lot of the same thoughts, but I don't have the kind of concrete reasons I feel like I should. It's kind of annoying me.

That’s my entire point. He’s here, all the time. He has as many posts as me. But every time I try and remember what his reads are, I don’t remember.

I do have a notoriously bad memory, so I’m not one to have a great perspective on this tho lol

[Scotty]

Welcome to the club.

Eh, it's probably not you. I've just had tinfoil and I don't really think it's time to engage in that. I've felt all over the place despite the fact I don't think it's a hard game.

No its fine, its better that you express it since it makes you just a tad more likely to be town in the eyes of me, and by extension hopefully others.

Like empirically people find it hard to find solid reasons to townread me. It also doesn't mean I'm just going to condone Scotty's behavior right now.

Wait wait wait

Why does thunal get a pass for tinfoiling you and I get a red card? What behavior?

[Scotty]

I mean, neon's claim of why Mich is town may be verifiable, and in the case that it is verifiable, you can simply, ya know, take it.

Not sure what you are suggesting? Take her out so we can verifiably prove what she is saying?

Because if I’m reading Michelle’s role right, she would be checked as town if Abbi were cop.

So it’s definitely not that reason

What do you think could be the reason if not cop?

I don’t feel like solving riddles.
What do you think could be the reason?

I dont know.

I was previously thinking cop but after the flip of a green check wolf (the most dangerous one)

I am unlikely to throw neon under the bus. There is 0 reason to save lorab over michelle unless they are both wolves and lorab is the one with the money and michelle has no time.

If lorab flips wolf (I doubt it because I have them as more town than not) I will re-evaluate neon. Otherwise lock town for screaming for michelle when it looked like it was going to be lorab

Holy shit we’re on the same page for the first time all game

what does it mean

[Scotty]

SVS / LoRab / ts account is where i am at for remaining wolves

I forgot about you too. Need to sort. Lean town

so wait.. let me get this straight. Me who has been helping provide content > wolf scum 100%

Slots that you have forgotten that are even in the game - town?

lol

More like out of sight out of mind- I had already townleaned them and weren’t a part of my poe

how does that make sense? You TOWN READ a 0 poster on 0 content.

this just makes no sense

I never said I town read ts account. I’m talking about DM here

[Scotty]

SVS / LoRab / ts account is where i am at for remaining wolves

I forgot about you too. Need to sort. Lean town

so wait.. let me get this straight. Me who has been helping provide content > wolf scum 100%

Slots that you have forgotten that are even in the game - town?

lol

More like out of sight out of mind- I had already townleaned them and weren’t a part of my poe

how does that make sense? You TOWN READ a 0 poster on 0 content.

this just makes no sense

you say it makes no sense, but their read was more accurate than yours so idk fam

lol what is your style? I can’t figure you out

Accurate..,so you think DM is town?

[Scotty]

Spoiler: show

Looking at LoRab voters: (Hopefully stuff formats correctly)

Bereft:

I think Bereft's read on Scotty/LoRab is actually kind of towny and the world he presented with them and the strong language he used to make his argument #2496/#2517. All this despite his resistance to the Michelle wagon which to me kind of read as scummy #2476/#2477. But like even that is kinda towny on virtue of being this sort of stream of consciousness type of way. I like his confidence on his Rondo townread also.
Sidenote: I was getting kind of worried about Rondo just powerwolfing based on the pushes that he's done earlier, but have felt better about Rondo as he started talking more throughout the day, like for me, my thinking on Rondo went from "he's town" to "eh, like he could just be trying to eliminate towns through pushing whatever" back to "he's town" in short.
I kind of think #2342 was weak on a gut level.
Also Bereft saying the current wagons are bad but then suggesting ts account as a top wolf was funny to me (#2335) with the linked 2342, which is part of the reason why I have my issues with Bereft to be completely honest. Though I will say I don't mind the notion that Scotty could be mafia.
I think beyond this point, I do not really get like a whole lot out of Bereft's day 2, but I am in the zone of thinking he believes what he says which to me is a good look even with my said qualms there.

DarlingMonroe:

Despite seemingly also suspecting Michelle, DarlingMonroe was on LoRab. DM was also voting/tinfoiling Bereft which I find interesting... probably slightly towny. I randomly like #2191 even though I am also left a tad confused by it, but it does show a confidence in their own words. #2167 sort of pinged me when it came to Bereft, like in the sort of way where DarlingMonroe was pushing Bereft on the virtue that he is a strong player. On top of that if his thought processes throughout the game come across in the same exact way as Thunal's, wouldn't this be a cause for concern for DarlingMonroe?
#2166 I am also slightly concerned about because is seems like DM is calling Princess Abigail town only because she didn't ping them as much as the other four DM listed, which isn't really a real read on Princess Abigail.

OKAY I HAVE A POSSIBLY SILLY QUESTION
In #2127 DarlingMonroe says "And I understand LoRab is busy IRL..." right? So is this a scumslip? I mean you could maybe assume as much from them not showing up to the thread, but they haven't completely said outright that they were busy IRL directly so maybe they got the hear from LoRab from... somewhere else? Dun dun dun.
IDK if I actually believe that.
Uh.
Anyways...
#2103 points out all the no voters that were not voting day 2 in a... lateish stage. Also if S~V~S is actually mafia, DarlingMonroe is ALWAYS just town for #849.
Thinking lightly town just off last game when they were town were basically not voted off because of their PR claim, despite honestly not being all that towny (this is from the perspective of me being mafia though). Also I saw more OMGUS going on with her in her previous towngame which idk if that's like a reliable thing.

SIDENOTE: #2151 from S~V~S seems sketchy to me, though they voted Michelle.

Scotty:

The completely cursed slot himself, making hard to dechipher posts. Kinda found what he was trying to communicate from what I deciphered to be just kind of in the zone of "blendy okayness" IE: #2178 him questioning Thunal here I believe.
I'm guessing the curse is a thing that could be for anything, I think if Michelle flipped villager, this is exactly where I think mafia would be, but now with the flip, I am not so sure. Like I am sure scotty could maybe talk them out of sus better then Michelle, but it could also mean that Scotty is a mafia PR more powerful then Michelle, like maybe a Rupert...
Scotty did start day 2 by voting Michelle.
Going back to day 1 #1046 pinged me, especially if niche=michelle idk. Like mafia would talk to their partners in that way in a freak outty type of way. I find it rather sloppy also that Scotty asked about why people thought Seanzie was a hit, then to tell people to go on Seanzie because he trusted the wagon composition there more then Michelle wagon (comprised of Rondo/Neon/JJJ/DrWilgy, who ALL VOTED MICHELLE DAY 2 AS WELL) (PS: Thanks Rondo for that spreadsheet thing). ALSO #738 this aside is actually really scummy because it goes against his snap decision that "oh kill Seanzie because I like wagon comp on there" thing that he talked about, like ew.
Do not feel so great about #893 just in retrospect and the halphazard Michelle townread he slapped at the end here. Had LC and DM as mafia at the time, insert bad WIFOMy read that Scotty doesn't kill LC because of this.
I feel like if Scotty is mafia, I kinda feel like they might have misused the curse thing because it feels more right to let Scotty talk himself out of being sussed as mafia and to give Michelle the cursed thing? I cannot help but to have that little voice in my head that says that, but I do find Scotty suspicious otherwise for this and already said day 1 reasons. I just hope he can actually communicate today and maybe point to important points he made day 2 or whatever that he wants to be clear, if this is an all game thing, oh boy.

Thunal33:

Thunal kept defending Michelle... interestingly, but I don't think it's outing for reasons. Mostly with how much detail Thunal was putting into continuously talking about Michelle.
Thunal talked about how town is controlling the thread even though they have also talked about not liking the wagons being like 2/2/2 at the time.
I believe the talking that was going on with Princess Abigail is not w/w with Abigail. #2015 is kinda a lame defense of Michelle if you actually read what Michelle is saying there, which I have my doubts that Thunal really did there...
I like Thunal in the #1737 chain of confidence here in terms of their robyn read.
Overall I could see this as wolf, but I am not super convinced for reasons. Like I see Abigail's readslist, then subsequent vote on Michelle and just thinking of those 2 things, like I would have to check back and see what Abigail did in that span of time in developing her read on Michelle if that happened but it does raise concerns just because I don't remember things.

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Which kinda transitions into I think some funny business might be happening with the wagons. As I pointed out earlier, day 1 had 4 people on the Michelle wagon, and those SAME 4 people are also there day 2, Rondo almost wasn't. Which just seems oddly consistent to me. And LoRab is certainly not towny which makes me question things. I certainly like the names on Michelle technically more then LoRab, my only decent TR on there is Bereft, and those aren't as strong as robyn/JJJ/Rondo on the Michelle wagon so that could also be a sign. Uh yeah wanted to check Abigail specifically next because if there was a bus there, it's like I would likely look there first or S~V~S on like an off chance it's DrWilgy (i feel like i have paid the least attention to Wilgy to be honest so it would probably be fine to check here after Abigail even though my gut says I TR him). This is some food for thought, I am busy tonight, finals week is so much fun!

Holy anal sis wall bat man !

Another day another Cape suspicion

RE: me - yesterday was almost a wash for me, and I have to agree with you, because even I felt blendy in the most unblendy way possible. It was truly *exhausting* to post, and it definitely reflected in my contributions. As a voyeur, not only was I behind, but even if people were able to get through my bullshit, it wasn’t worth the effort to try and clarify bits and pieces. JJJ only got maybe a fraction of what I was saying so my posts were more frustration than solving, so me pointing to specific points today is probably more PTSD because I don’t even want to look at that shit again.

RE: my Seanzie vote- I don’t remember pitching people to vote Seanzie, I just hopped on in the last bit with a split decision to vote him because you/robyn/JJJ were voting there. DESPITE the fact that I definitely was advocating against it to (Jjj?) earlier. It was more of a unifying vote as opposed to stray, ya feel?

Here’s a summary of my Day 2 in my head:
I was settled on Michelle as the counter wagon for almost the entire day, then I started getting cold feett with the big talkers basically controlling the thread and bereft was the one that just seemed like he was on the outside, keeping his vote open, being *there* but I couldn’t pinpoint him as leading any charges. It was the most blendy high posting job of this garm, and a part of me was thinking both Lorab and Michelle were just t/t.

I was able to come in the last 10 min to see a movement on Lorab/michelle. I don’t even know what the count was, but it seemed like there was some squirrelly shit happening with others trying to launch away from Michelle. And I picked wrong! Again!

I came into today thinking Lorax is basically cleared. Is she not? If not, why?

I wanna start cleaning people,and her wagon forming against Michele screams patsy (yes I know I voted there)

Anything from day 2 you felt like highlighting specifically from one of your messages?
Yeah you advocated against it to JJJ, you are correct there.
Like for me, I don't really think in terms of wagon purity when I am making suggestions for pushes personally but I know that's a me thing. I know town can just "be wrong" as we were, idk why I didn't vote Michelle other then I didn't wanna tie the wagons, but I should have in retrospect just because I didn't feel her logs that EOD were towny like (Thunal?) said they were.

So you did townread LoRab? You communicated to JJJ that you didn't with the all caps thing.

I wouldn't say LoRab is cleared unless you think most of the scum is contained in my start of day wall post, at least I would assume. Especially given your stance on Seanzie's wagon day 1 you would be on the same page as me which is why I wrote about every single one of you (though Thunal's was admittedly a kinda rush job, but I also was struggling writing what to say more I guess).

I didn’t have a towny read but the tinfoil part of me was thinking lorab v Michelle was a setup job and bereft was hanging in the background.

I think my opinion of Seanzie is currently clustered around thinking rondo was trying to save Michelle. If rondo were confirmed town, I think I’d be more in line with looking at things in a different light.

And eh, maybe lorab IS the big boss mafia. My gut read based on wagons shifting so often make me feel like there was a save attempt on Michelle onto Lorab that almost worked

What the fuck? I was voting michelle and trying to save seanzie? This is objectively wrong.

Oops sorry I meant to say my opinion of ‘lorab’, not Seanzie my bad

[Scotty]

I forgot about you too. Need to sort. Lean town

so wait.. let me get this straight. Me who has been helping provide content > wolf scum 100%

Slots that you have forgotten that are even in the game - town?

lol

More like out of sight out of mind- I had already townleaned them and weren’t a part of my poe

how does that make sense? You TOWN READ a 0 poster on 0 content.

this just makes no sense

you say it makes no sense, but their read was more accurate than yours so idk fam

See this is just wolf sus, how do you know how accurate I am? You havent even been here.

Also I have 100% accuracy. I have voted a wolf EOD every day. What have you been doing?

I said "hello" and you were immediately on my butt. In other words, you've immediately been wrong all day

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

Ok look

I’m not getting a strong vibe of someone that is trying to find a pulse on the game. You seem like you’re making a strong effort to appear laissez-faire, agreeing with takes seemingly out of the blue. It’s like that dude that just entered the room from the other department and a few people are laughing at the end of a joke, and you sidle up laughing too, going ‘yeah, crazy right?’

Could be a stylistic difference, but the approach doesn’t feel right to me

[ts account]

SVS / LoRab / ts account is where i am at for remaining wolves

I forgot about you too. Need to sort. Lean town

so wait.. let me get this straight. Me who has been helping provide content > wolf scum 100%

Slots that you have forgotten that are even in the game - town?

lol

More like out of sight out of mind- I had already townleaned them and weren’t a part of my poe

how does that make sense? You TOWN READ a 0 poster on 0 content.

this just makes no sense

you say it makes no sense, but their read was more accurate than yours so idk fam

lol what is your style? I can’t figure you out

Accurate..,so you think DM is town?

I also interpreted this as you town leaning me

I haven't seen anything by darlingmonroe

[Scotty]

so wait.. let me get this straight. Me who has been helping provide content > wolf scum 100%

Slots that you have forgotten that are even in the game - town?

lol

More like out of sight out of mind- I had already townleaned them and weren’t a part of my poe

how does that make sense? You TOWN READ a 0 poster on 0 content.

this just makes no sense

you say it makes no sense, but their read was more accurate than yours so idk fam

See this is just wolf sus, how do you know how accurate I am? You havent even been here.

Also I have 100% accuracy. I have voted a wolf EOD every day. What have you been doing?

Whew love this energy Rondo.

Pocket denied. Give me a reads list

Whew love this energy Rondo.

[Scotty]

More like out of sight out of mind- I had already townleaned them and weren’t a part of my poe

how does that make sense? You TOWN READ a 0 poster on 0 content.

this just makes no sense

you say it makes no sense, but their read was more accurate than yours so idk fam

See this is just wolf sus, how do you know how accurate I am? You havent even been here.

Also I have 100% accuracy. I have voted a wolf EOD every day. What have you been doing?

I said "hello" and you were immediately on my butt. In other words, you've immediately been wrong all day

Even if I chopped you and you were town, I wouldnt care. Because youve done nothing all game and came in trying to act all casual like you havent just no voted for 2 day phases in a row. How do you think I should treat your slot? Do you not deserve some scrunity?

Its so easy to claim I am wrong but you know who else claimed I was wrong? Michelle.

No, I don't deserve any scrutiny
I should say "hello, I forgot about the game, but I remembered now" and we should move on from there
but you're stuck on it for some reason
you gotta let go of the past, maaaaan
I'm glad you're smart enough to come up with the argument that calling myself town is NAI, maaaaan

Ok, let’s start here:

Why should we town read you?

[RondoDimBuckle]

My issue, is that you're taking issue with someone being town leader.

What is scummy about this?

Exactly nothing.

It does not add up.

also how is the person who has posted nothing all game able to have an opinion on who is a bad town leader?

[RondoDimBuckle]

The fact that ts account is playing as if it is day 1 and just trying to real time solve is kinda bothering me at this stage of the game and I wonder if it's a playstyle thing or if this is him trying to blend in?

it's almost like this is my first day here hi thanks for noticing I didn't know the game had started

Hello!
I’m going to kidnap your daughter

@RondoDimBuckle how was that

Be careful they might have a particular set of skills

[robyn]

I know DM is gonna provide their answer, but if I were to say what I think is the case, then gut. My posting style gives people the heebie-jeebies because its looks like I'm lurking in the background way too much. However, I swung out that range in the latter half of yesterday. If anything, campaigning for LoRab makes me look better since for once I was actually doing something.

Since I'm probably not gonna have much time today though, they might just swing back, as their stated reasoning is one of "did stuff" essentially.

Personal preference, but when people make an unprompted self defense that shows a hyper awareness of how others might perceive them, I get suspicious.

i'd sr him if he didn't say that

[RondoDimBuckle]

I mean, neon's claim of why Mich is town may be verifiable, and in the case that it is verifiable, you can simply, ya know, take it.

Not sure what you are suggesting? Take her out so we can verifiably prove what she is saying?

Because if I’m reading Michelle’s role right, she would be checked as town if Abbi were cop.

So it’s definitely not that reason

What do you think could be the reason if not cop?

I don’t feel like solving riddles.
What do you think could be the reason?

I dont know.

I was previously thinking cop but after the flip of a green check wolf (the most dangerous one)

I am unlikely to throw neon under the bus. There is 0 reason to save lorab over michelle unless they are both wolves and lorab is the one with the money and michelle has no time.

If lorab flips wolf (I doubt it because I have them as more town than not) I will re-evaluate neon. Otherwise lock town for screaming for michelle when it looked like it was going to be lorab

Holy shit we’re on the same page for the first time all game

what does it mean

I think we were just saying the same thing from different angles.

[RondoDimBuckle]

SVS / LoRab / ts account is where i am at for remaining wolves

I forgot about you too. Need to sort. Lean town

so wait.. let me get this straight. Me who has been helping provide content > wolf scum 100%

Slots that you have forgotten that are even in the game - town?

lol

More like out of sight out of mind- I had already townleaned them and weren’t a part of my poe

how does that make sense? You TOWN READ a 0 poster on 0 content.

this just makes no sense

I never said I town read ts account. I’m talking about DM here

understandable.gif

[robyn]

Also if you agree that everything I've done is easily possible to do as a wolf, then you need your license taken away and should probably starting reading your own posts and talking about how easy they are to fake.

The difference here is i’m not almost universally townread. Robyn townreads you because ‘you’re town’ and I’m saying you could easily just.,,not.

I don't really have much patience with this tho.

Do you think both Robyn and Rondo are just claiming I'm town with little coherently explained reasoning for no good reason at all?

It is in fact not "could just as easily".

Are they not?

I’m sorry if they do have reasons- I probably missed them. Could you point them out to me? (This isn’t a veiled sarcastic comment, I’d actually like to see what I’m missing)

???????

me and rondo are like the sanest people here, we can write a manuscript, but we aren't

[Cape90]

Bereft is the most likely deepwolf candidate and I still suspect him for association with the big talkers without content I remember. Light scum

I like my wall part on Bereft so I do want to redirect you to that

Read it. In a vacuum, I see his town equity, but that’s why I think he is a good deep wolf candidate. Everything he’s done is easily possible to do as a wolf.

I do agree, but as robyn is my top townread at the moment, I do put stock into their opinion there. I just wanted to redirect you there because you mentioned not remembering his posts

valid

Thanks peanut gallery

it's the exact same reasoning I have, so that makes it +town EV

Mmm, I kinda think this is towny

[RondoDimBuckle]

Spoiler: show

Looking at LoRab voters: (Hopefully stuff formats correctly)

Bereft:

I think Bereft's read on Scotty/LoRab is actually kind of towny and the world he presented with them and the strong language he used to make his argument #2496/#2517. All this despite his resistance to the Michelle wagon which to me kind of read as scummy #2476/#2477. But like even that is kinda towny on virtue of being this sort of stream of consciousness type of way. I like his confidence on his Rondo townread also.
Sidenote: I was getting kind of worried about Rondo just powerwolfing based on the pushes that he's done earlier, but have felt better about Rondo as he started talking more throughout the day, like for me, my thinking on Rondo went from "he's town" to "eh, like he could just be trying to eliminate towns through pushing whatever" back to "he's town" in short.
I kind of think #2342 was weak on a gut level.
Also Bereft saying the current wagons are bad but then suggesting ts account as a top wolf was funny to me (#2335) with the linked 2342, which is part of the reason why I have my issues with Bereft to be completely honest. Though I will say I don't mind the notion that Scotty could be mafia.
I think beyond this point, I do not really get like a whole lot out of Bereft's day 2, but I am in the zone of thinking he believes what he says which to me is a good look even with my said qualms there.

DarlingMonroe:

Despite seemingly also suspecting Michelle, DarlingMonroe was on LoRab. DM was also voting/tinfoiling Bereft which I find interesting... probably slightly towny. I randomly like #2191 even though I am also left a tad confused by it, but it does show a confidence in their own words. #2167 sort of pinged me when it came to Bereft, like in the sort of way where DarlingMonroe was pushing Bereft on the virtue that he is a strong player. On top of that if his thought processes throughout the game come across in the same exact way as Thunal's, wouldn't this be a cause for concern for DarlingMonroe?
#2166 I am also slightly concerned about because is seems like DM is calling Princess Abigail town only because she didn't ping them as much as the other four DM listed, which isn't really a real read on Princess Abigail.

OKAY I HAVE A POSSIBLY SILLY QUESTION
In #2127 DarlingMonroe says "And I understand LoRab is busy IRL..." right? So is this a scumslip? I mean you could maybe assume as much from them not showing up to the thread, but they haven't completely said outright that they were busy IRL directly so maybe they got the hear from LoRab from... somewhere else? Dun dun dun.
IDK if I actually believe that.
Uh.
Anyways...
#2103 points out all the no voters that were not voting day 2 in a... lateish stage. Also if S~V~S is actually mafia, DarlingMonroe is ALWAYS just town for #849.
Thinking lightly town just off last game when they were town were basically not voted off because of their PR claim, despite honestly not being all that towny (this is from the perspective of me being mafia though). Also I saw more OMGUS going on with her in her previous towngame which idk if that's like a reliable thing.

SIDENOTE: #2151 from S~V~S seems sketchy to me, though they voted Michelle.

Scotty:

The completely cursed slot himself, making hard to dechipher posts. Kinda found what he was trying to communicate from what I deciphered to be just kind of in the zone of "blendy okayness" IE: #2178 him questioning Thunal here I believe.
I'm guessing the curse is a thing that could be for anything, I think if Michelle flipped villager, this is exactly where I think mafia would be, but now with the flip, I am not so sure. Like I am sure scotty could maybe talk them out of sus better then Michelle, but it could also mean that Scotty is a mafia PR more powerful then Michelle, like maybe a Rupert...
Scotty did start day 2 by voting Michelle.
Going back to day 1 #1046 pinged me, especially if niche=michelle idk. Like mafia would talk to their partners in that way in a freak outty type of way. I find it rather sloppy also that Scotty asked about why people thought Seanzie was a hit, then to tell people to go on Seanzie because he trusted the wagon composition there more then Michelle wagon (comprised of Rondo/Neon/JJJ/DrWilgy, who ALL VOTED MICHELLE DAY 2 AS WELL) (PS: Thanks Rondo for that spreadsheet thing). ALSO #738 this aside is actually really scummy because it goes against his snap decision that "oh kill Seanzie because I like wagon comp on there" thing that he talked about, like ew.
Do not feel so great about #893 just in retrospect and the halphazard Michelle townread he slapped at the end here. Had LC and DM as mafia at the time, insert bad WIFOMy read that Scotty doesn't kill LC because of this.
I feel like if Scotty is mafia, I kinda feel like they might have misused the curse thing because it feels more right to let Scotty talk himself out of being sussed as mafia and to give Michelle the cursed thing? I cannot help but to have that little voice in my head that says that, but I do find Scotty suspicious otherwise for this and already said day 1 reasons. I just hope he can actually communicate today and maybe point to important points he made day 2 or whatever that he wants to be clear, if this is an all game thing, oh boy.

Thunal33:

Thunal kept defending Michelle... interestingly, but I don't think it's outing for reasons. Mostly with how much detail Thunal was putting into continuously talking about Michelle.
Thunal talked about how town is controlling the thread even though they have also talked about not liking the wagons being like 2/2/2 at the time.
I believe the talking that was going on with Princess Abigail is not w/w with Abigail. #2015 is kinda a lame defense of Michelle if you actually read what Michelle is saying there, which I have my doubts that Thunal really did there...
I like Thunal in the #1737 chain of confidence here in terms of their robyn read.
Overall I could see this as wolf, but I am not super convinced for reasons. Like I see Abigail's readslist, then subsequent vote on Michelle and just thinking of those 2 things, like I would have to check back and see what Abigail did in that span of time in developing her read on Michelle if that happened but it does raise concerns just because I don't remember things.

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Which kinda transitions into I think some funny business might be happening with the wagons. As I pointed out earlier, day 1 had 4 people on the Michelle wagon, and those SAME 4 people are also there day 2, Rondo almost wasn't. Which just seems oddly consistent to me. And LoRab is certainly not towny which makes me question things. I certainly like the names on Michelle technically more then LoRab, my only decent TR on there is Bereft, and those aren't as strong as robyn/JJJ/Rondo on the Michelle wagon so that could also be a sign. Uh yeah wanted to check Abigail specifically next because if there was a bus there, it's like I would likely look there first or S~V~S on like an off chance it's DrWilgy (i feel like i have paid the least attention to Wilgy to be honest so it would probably be fine to check here after Abigail even though my gut says I TR him). This is some food for thought, I am busy tonight, finals week is so much fun!

Holy anal sis wall bat man !

Another day another Cape suspicion

RE: me - yesterday was almost a wash for me, and I have to agree with you, because even I felt blendy in the most unblendy way possible. It was truly *exhausting* to post, and it definitely reflected in my contributions. As a voyeur, not only was I behind, but even if people were able to get through my bullshit, it wasn’t worth the effort to try and clarify bits and pieces. JJJ only got maybe a fraction of what I was saying so my posts were more frustration than solving, so me pointing to specific points today is probably more PTSD because I don’t even want to look at that shit again.

RE: my Seanzie vote- I don’t remember pitching people to vote Seanzie, I just hopped on in the last bit with a split decision to vote him because you/robyn/JJJ were voting there. DESPITE the fact that I definitely was advocating against it to (Jjj?) earlier. It was more of a unifying vote as opposed to stray, ya feel?

Here’s a summary of my Day 2 in my head:
I was settled on Michelle as the counter wagon for almost the entire day, then I started getting cold feett with the big talkers basically controlling the thread and bereft was the one that just seemed like he was on the outside, keeping his vote open, being *there* but I couldn’t pinpoint him as leading any charges. It was the most blendy high posting job of this garm, and a part of me was thinking both Lorab and Michelle were just t/t.

I was able to come in the last 10 min to see a movement on Lorab/michelle. I don’t even know what the count was, but it seemed like there was some squirrelly shit happening with others trying to launch away from Michelle. And I picked wrong! Again!

I came into today thinking Lorax is basically cleared. Is she not? If not, why?

I wanna start cleaning people,and her wagon forming against Michele screams patsy (yes I know I voted there)

Anything from day 2 you felt like highlighting specifically from one of your messages?
Yeah you advocated against it to JJJ, you are correct there.
Like for me, I don't really think in terms of wagon purity when I am making suggestions for pushes personally but I know that's a me thing. I know town can just "be wrong" as we were, idk why I didn't vote Michelle other then I didn't wanna tie the wagons, but I should have in retrospect just because I didn't feel her logs that EOD were towny like (Thunal?) said they were.

So you did townread LoRab? You communicated to JJJ that you didn't with the all caps thing.

I wouldn't say LoRab is cleared unless you think most of the scum is contained in my start of day wall post, at least I would assume. Especially given your stance on Seanzie's wagon day 1 you would be on the same page as me which is why I wrote about every single one of you (though Thunal's was admittedly a kinda rush job, but I also was struggling writing what to say more I guess).

I didn’t have a towny read but the tinfoil part of me was thinking lorab v Michelle was a setup job and bereft was hanging in the background.

I think my opinion of Seanzie is currently clustered around thinking rondo was trying to save Michelle. If rondo were confirmed town, I think I’d be more in line with looking at things in a different light.

And eh, maybe lorab IS the big boss mafia. My gut read based on wagons shifting so often make me feel like there was a save attempt on Michelle onto Lorab that almost worked

What the fuck? I was voting michelle and trying to save seanzie? This is objectively wrong.

Oops sorry I meant to say my opinion of ‘lorab’, not Seanzie my bad

Easy way to diffuse that is for me to say "go for it, kill lorab for all I care"

[RondoDimBuckle]

More like out of sight out of mind- I had already townleaned them and weren’t a part of my poe

how does that make sense? You TOWN READ a 0 poster on 0 content.

this just makes no sense

you say it makes no sense, but their read was more accurate than yours so idk fam

See this is just wolf sus, how do you know how accurate I am? You havent even been here.

Also I have 100% accuracy. I have voted a wolf EOD every day. What have you been doing?

Whew love this energy Rondo.

Pocket denied. Give me a reads list

Whew love this energy Rondo.

How do I hate scotty on sod and then he come in and pocket me like this? Its offensive. Its working

[Cape90]

Can someone please match and diffuse Rondo's negative energy? They're kind of bullyish and I don't really want them having a town leader voice, which it seems they're trying to wrest out of ego based on some recent comments

Guess what JJJ was doing yesterday?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Also if you agree that everything I've done is easily possible to do as a wolf, then you need your license taken away and should probably starting reading your own posts and talking about how easy they are to fake.

The difference here is i’m not almost universally townread. Robyn townreads you because ‘you’re town’ and I’m saying you could easily just.,,not.

I don't really have much patience with this tho.

Do you think both Robyn and Rondo are just claiming I'm town with little coherently explained reasoning for no good reason at all?

It is in fact not "could just as easily".

Are they not?

I’m sorry if they do have reasons- I probably missed them. Could you point them out to me? (This isn’t a veiled sarcastic comment, I’d actually like to see what I’m missing)

???????

me and rondo are like the sanest people here, we can write a manuscript, but we aren't

speak for yourself