Ted Lasso Mafia - game over!

[RondoDimBuckle]

I like my wall part on Bereft so I do want to redirect you to that

Read it. In a vacuum, I see his town equity, but that’s why I think he is a good deep wolf candidate. Everything he’s done is easily possible to do as a wolf.

I do agree, but as robyn is my top townread at the moment, I do put stock into their opinion there. I just wanted to redirect you there because you mentioned not remembering his posts

valid

Thanks peanut gallery

it's the exact same reasoning I have, so that makes it +town EV

Mmm, I kinda think this is towny

yeah its literally the only post from TS that I liked

[ts account]

how does that make sense? You TOWN READ a 0 poster on 0 content.

this just makes no sense

you say it makes no sense, but their read was more accurate than yours so idk fam

See this is just wolf sus, how do you know how accurate I am? You havent even been here.

Also I have 100% accuracy. I have voted a wolf EOD every day. What have you been doing?

I said "hello" and you were immediately on my butt. In other words, you've immediately been wrong all day

Even if I chopped you and you were town, I wouldnt care. Because youve done nothing all game and came in trying to act all casual like you havent just no voted for 2 day phases in a row. How do you think I should treat your slot? Do you not deserve some scrunity?

Its so easy to claim I am wrong but you know who else claimed I was wrong? Michelle.

No, I don't deserve any scrutiny
I should say "hello, I forgot about the game, but I remembered now" and we should move on from there
but you're stuck on it for some reason
you gotta let go of the past, maaaaan
I'm glad you're smart enough to come up with the argument that calling myself town is NAI, maaaaan

Ok, let’s start here:

Why should we town read you?

I'm firmly, 100%, inarguably in my town meta
and while my presence today isn't stellar or anything, it's still good enough that anyone actually trying to solve me should find a towny

[robyn]

Also if you agree that everything I've done is easily possible to do as a wolf, then you need your license taken away and should probably starting reading your own posts and talking about how easy they are to fake.

The difference here is i’m not almost universally townread. Robyn townreads you because ‘you’re town’ and I’m saying you could easily just.,,not.

I don't really have much patience with this tho.

Do you think both Robyn and Rondo are just claiming I'm town with little coherently explained reasoning for no good reason at all?

It is in fact not "could just as easily".

Are they not?

I’m sorry if they do have reasons- I probably missed them. Could you point them out to me? (This isn’t a veiled sarcastic comment, I’d actually like to see what I’m missing)

???????

me and rondo are like the sanest people here, we can write a manuscript, but we aren't

speak for yourself

twas being ironic, on both of our accounts

[RondoDimBuckle]

Can someone please match and diffuse Rondo's negative energy? They're kind of bullyish and I don't really want them having a town leader voice, which it seems they're trying to wrest out of ego based on some recent comments

Guess what JJJ was doing yesterday?

Being awesome. I appreciate you @JaggedJimmyJay you had me 100% read like a book. Its why I stopped pushing you so hard. I probably should have kept it up so you had a chance at living.

[RondoDimBuckle]

you say it makes no sense, but their read was more accurate than yours so idk fam

See this is just wolf sus, how do you know how accurate I am? You havent even been here.

Also I have 100% accuracy. I have voted a wolf EOD every day. What have you been doing?

I said "hello" and you were immediately on my butt. In other words, you've immediately been wrong all day

Even if I chopped you and you were town, I wouldnt care. Because youve done nothing all game and came in trying to act all casual like you havent just no voted for 2 day phases in a row. How do you think I should treat your slot? Do you not deserve some scrunity?

Its so easy to claim I am wrong but you know who else claimed I was wrong? Michelle.

No, I don't deserve any scrutiny
I should say "hello, I forgot about the game, but I remembered now" and we should move on from there
but you're stuck on it for some reason
you gotta let go of the past, maaaaan
I'm glad you're smart enough to come up with the argument that calling myself town is NAI, maaaaan

Ok, let’s start here:

Why should we town read you?

I'm firmly, 100%, inarguably in my town meta
and while my presence today isn't stellar or anything, it's still good enough that anyone actually trying to solve me should find a towny

problem.

1) I dont know, or care, about your meta.
2) Any awareness you have of being in your town meta means you can fake it
3) ???
4) Profit

[robyn]

Rebecca Walton - She wants nothing more than revenge on Rupert for cheating and publicly humiliating her. If she finds him, she drains all his money. (She will not be told she found Rupert.)

whoever is this role, your n1 is probably a red check

mafia should've had 2 kills last night

[robyn]

i'm ngl ts account is like my only sr from this game

[robyn]

Highly doubt they're teamed | Unlikely to be teamed | Maybe compatible even if I don't feel it | Compatible

I need to sort my teams out better. Here are the combinations including any group of four from {Michelle, LoRab, ts account, S~V~S, Abigail, Scotty} with any instance of {Scotty, S~V~S} together removed. I have not included any combinations with Thunal in them. I may try to tackle that if my team of combinatorics gurus can help me out.

[Michelle, LoRab, ts account, S~V~S] - all mutually yellow

[Michelle, LoRab, ts account, Abigail] - all mutually yellow

[Michelle, Abigail, ts account, Scotty] - all mutually yellow except for Michelle/Scotty

[LoRab, ts account, Scotty, Abigail] - all mutually yellow except for LoRab/Scotty

[Michelle, LoRab, ts account, Scotty] - all mutually yellow except for Michelle/Scotty and LoRab/Scotty

[Michelle, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail] - all mutually yellow except for Michelle/Scotty and LoRab/Scotty

[LoRab, ts account, S~V~S, Abigail] - all mutually yellow except for S~V~S/Abigail

[Michelle, LoRab, S~V~S, Abigail] - all mutually yellow except for S~V~S/Abigail

[Michelle, ts account, Abigail, S~V~S] - all mutually yellow except for S~V~S/Abigail

Loosely ranked by "color viability", though differentiating is controversial after the full yellow teams.

it's probably just the first solve here and jjj is insane

[Thunal33]

Just under 12 hours elapsed between this:

‪Michelle‬

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

and this:

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

During that period, Michelle made these posts:

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

@Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail

or any subset of them if you don't have time

I read zero SVS posts,
Lorad same,
Scotty posts coloured like parrot feathers and i have little understanding for the meaning of what I read, idk what to do but I'd say he seems to try a solve so it's more towny than not
Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

Not town

I concur

Explain

You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.

I had traction for low activity.

@Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.

You force me to self press on Sean

This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.

EOD1 wagons were on me vs zero poster and SVS iirc, and I only knew my alignament so I self pressed.
Why Sean? I know he would never leave the Poe, as absent slot all day long.
Also people were pushing for him.
Is that the reason you are voting me?

what do you mean by this? You clearly don't think Thunal is super towny unless i am misinterpreting what you are saying

I was referring to Michelle in that comment. Rondo made an argument for why Michelle's responses to me at EOD1 were towny, and that was my counter.

Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

Robyn had a town core of Cape and Bereft. A simple stance and I didn't notice anyone to say something against it. At the time I had a thought and I don't want to give it away but I wouldn't vote any of them.

I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.

I am sorry, weekends should be time out from mafia. At least Sundays.
I will be active, pinky promise!

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

Welcome back friend. Glad you are having a good day.

Thanks!

Time for a few Isos now

Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Why?.

Oh nvm, i wouldn't understand it -.-

I opened SVSs Iso and she has 50 posts, it will take some time.

I was afk all day.

Not voting now doesn't mean I will not vote at all.

I know who I am not voting, but I will read at least SVSs Iso before voting.

There's something i noticed but i wait to see if i am the only one

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.

Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

yeah, bereft/michelle/lorab/svs is where I am at for wolves

and it seems town has gotten it together with votes on all of them... and them not voting for each other or for townies is what is convincing me

Can you say it again?

I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
4
36%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, robyn, Thunal33, Michelle
‪Michelle‬
1
9%
Voters: DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy
Total votes: 11

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

I am brain sleeping

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

It's only barely a meta read in that this is her second game on the site. I hosted the first. She should be interpreted through that lens -- a brand new mafia player. I just think she looks real.

Second game with no other experience of forum mafia/other social deduction games?

I was hoping I wouldn't check on this and find virtually no new Michelle material to explain Abigail's change of heart. However, there is a ton of material, so it's conceivable for that to have been legitimate. Some of Michelle's most important material came during the appropriate window (e.g., suspecting and voting LoRab).

does anyone know what the relationship between michelle+abigail+lorab is?
So far I have abigail flipflopping on michelle and lorab being spewed clear
are there any other relationships here that could paint a clearer picture?

I don't think "flip flopping" describes Abi's play very well. She literally called town throwing by not voting Michelle and LoRab would probably have gone over if not for Abi's last few minutes. Abi is never dying today and is very likely town unless Michelle/LoRab are w/w.

I'm concerned you're not giving her towncred on purpose.

[Cape90]

Just under 12 hours elapsed between this:

‪Michelle‬

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

and this:

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

During that period, Michelle made these posts:

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

@Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail

or any subset of them if you don't have time

I read zero SVS posts,
Lorad same,
Scotty posts coloured like parrot feathers and i have little understanding for the meaning of what I read, idk what to do but I'd say he seems to try a solve so it's more towny than not
Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

Not town

I concur

Explain

You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.

I had traction for low activity.

@Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.

You force me to self press on Sean

This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.

EOD1 wagons were on me vs zero poster and SVS iirc, and I only knew my alignament so I self pressed.
Why Sean? I know he would never leave the Poe, as absent slot all day long.
Also people were pushing for him.
Is that the reason you are voting me?

what do you mean by this? You clearly don't think Thunal is super towny unless i am misinterpreting what you are saying

I was referring to Michelle in that comment. Rondo made an argument for why Michelle's responses to me at EOD1 were towny, and that was my counter.

Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

Robyn had a town core of Cape and Bereft. A simple stance and I didn't notice anyone to say something against it. At the time I had a thought and I don't want to give it away but I wouldn't vote any of them.

I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.

I am sorry, weekends should be time out from mafia. At least Sundays.
I will be active, pinky promise!

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Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
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You may select 1 option


‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

Welcome back friend. Glad you are having a good day.

Thanks!

Time for a few Isos now

Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Why?.

Oh nvm, i wouldn't understand it -.-

I opened SVSs Iso and she has 50 posts, it will take some time.

I was afk all day.

Not voting now doesn't mean I will not vote at all.

I know who I am not voting, but I will read at least SVSs Iso before voting.

There's something i noticed but i wait to see if i am the only one

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.

Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

yeah, bereft/michelle/lorab/svs is where I am at for wolves

and it seems town has gotten it together with votes on all of them... and them not voting for each other or for townies is what is convincing me

Can you say it again?

I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

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Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
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You may select 1 option


‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
4
36%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, robyn, Thunal33, Michelle
‪Michelle‬
1
9%
Voters: DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy
Total votes: 11

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

I am brain sleeping

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

It's only barely a meta read in that this is her second game on the site. I hosted the first. She should be interpreted through that lens -- a brand new mafia player. I just think she looks real.

Second game with no other experience of forum mafia/other social deduction games?

I was hoping I wouldn't check on this and find virtually no new Michelle material to explain Abigail's change of heart. However, there is a ton of material, so it's conceivable for that to have been legitimate. Some of Michelle's most important material came during the appropriate window (e.g., suspecting and voting LoRab).

does anyone know what the relationship between michelle+abigail+lorab is?
So far I have abigail flipflopping on michelle and lorab being spewed clear
are there any other relationships here that could paint a clearer picture?

So you see what JJJ highlighted there?

Yeah that's about the progression Princess Abigail went on in terms Michelle, she only had a change of heart like... last second without explanation

What I find really odd is PA saying this

Please make a valid CW before EoD I beg you

And this is 1. when Michelle was a wagon 2. while Abigail was "townreading" Michelle from her list

and this

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

was a few posts after the counterwagon one in a very very short span of time, like I am extremely confused there

for you pointing this out +1 townpoint [VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

thank you for your service

Anywho

I literally can not express to you enough that you should vote Michelle ffs I'm begging you

Abigail do you have any real reads?

i think this is attempted spew from Michelle's end

What makes me think that is

Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

This was a SNIPPET of a post contained in a larger post

The ONLY other post Michelle mentioned Abigail on and with this said, Michelle made no effort to sort her even with this "concern".

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Spoiler: show

Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.

Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I think all of these show Michelle paying special care and attention to LoRab day 2 and I could see where the argument LoRab is spewed from this comes from

LoRab has been MIA since day 1 unfortunately and neither of them talked about one another then, I hope LoRab is okay.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rebecca Walton - She wants nothing more than revenge on Rupert for cheating and publicly humiliating her. If she finds him, she drains all his money. (She will not be told she found Rupert.)

whoever is this role, your n1 is probably a red check

mafia should've had 2 kills last night

You know what now that you mention it.. It is likely that longcon was the vig

[robyn]

Rebecca Walton - She wants nothing more than revenge on Rupert for cheating and publicly humiliating her. If she finds him, she drains all his money. (She will not be told she found Rupert.)

whoever is this role, your n1 is probably a red check

mafia should've had 2 kills last night

You know what now that you mention it.. It is likely that longcon was the vig

????

[robyn]

We are jackals, and we descended upon the unresponsive Seanzie, and tore him to shreds. Unfortunately, he tasted good.

Long Con has been eliminated. He was Trent Crimm. The Independent.

You have 48 hours to find out who is responsible.

@RondoDimBuckle

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Cape ] aubergine

[Cape90]

Spoiler: show

Looking at LoRab voters: (Hopefully stuff formats correctly)

Bereft:

I think Bereft's read on Scotty/LoRab is actually kind of towny and the world he presented with them and the strong language he used to make his argument #2496/#2517. All this despite his resistance to the Michelle wagon which to me kind of read as scummy #2476/#2477. But like even that is kinda towny on virtue of being this sort of stream of consciousness type of way. I like his confidence on his Rondo townread also.
Sidenote: I was getting kind of worried about Rondo just powerwolfing based on the pushes that he's done earlier, but have felt better about Rondo as he started talking more throughout the day, like for me, my thinking on Rondo went from "he's town" to "eh, like he could just be trying to eliminate towns through pushing whatever" back to "he's town" in short.
I kind of think #2342 was weak on a gut level.
Also Bereft saying the current wagons are bad but then suggesting ts account as a top wolf was funny to me (#2335) with the linked 2342, which is part of the reason why I have my issues with Bereft to be completely honest. Though I will say I don't mind the notion that Scotty could be mafia.
I think beyond this point, I do not really get like a whole lot out of Bereft's day 2, but I am in the zone of thinking he believes what he says which to me is a good look even with my said qualms there.

DarlingMonroe:

Despite seemingly also suspecting Michelle, DarlingMonroe was on LoRab. DM was also voting/tinfoiling Bereft which I find interesting... probably slightly towny. I randomly like #2191 even though I am also left a tad confused by it, but it does show a confidence in their own words. #2167 sort of pinged me when it came to Bereft, like in the sort of way where DarlingMonroe was pushing Bereft on the virtue that he is a strong player. On top of that if his thought processes throughout the game come across in the same exact way as Thunal's, wouldn't this be a cause for concern for DarlingMonroe?
#2166 I am also slightly concerned about because is seems like DM is calling Princess Abigail town only because she didn't ping them as much as the other four DM listed, which isn't really a real read on Princess Abigail.

OKAY I HAVE A POSSIBLY SILLY QUESTION
In #2127 DarlingMonroe says "And I understand LoRab is busy IRL..." right? So is this a scumslip? I mean you could maybe assume as much from them not showing up to the thread, but they haven't completely said outright that they were busy IRL directly so maybe they got the hear from LoRab from... somewhere else? Dun dun dun.
IDK if I actually believe that.
Uh.
Anyways...
#2103 points out all the no voters that were not voting day 2 in a... lateish stage. Also if S~V~S is actually mafia, DarlingMonroe is ALWAYS just town for #849.
Thinking lightly town just off last game when they were town were basically not voted off because of their PR claim, despite honestly not being all that towny (this is from the perspective of me being mafia though). Also I saw more OMGUS going on with her in her previous towngame which idk if that's like a reliable thing.

SIDENOTE: #2151 from S~V~S seems sketchy to me, though they voted Michelle.

Scotty:

The completely cursed slot himself, making hard to dechipher posts. Kinda found what he was trying to communicate from what I deciphered to be just kind of in the zone of "blendy okayness" IE: #2178 him questioning Thunal here I believe.
I'm guessing the curse is a thing that could be for anything, I think if Michelle flipped villager, this is exactly where I think mafia would be, but now with the flip, I am not so sure. Like I am sure scotty could maybe talk them out of sus better then Michelle, but it could also mean that Scotty is a mafia PR more powerful then Michelle, like maybe a Rupert...
Scotty did start day 2 by voting Michelle.
Going back to day 1 #1046 pinged me, especially if niche=michelle idk. Like mafia would talk to their partners in that way in a freak outty type of way. I find it rather sloppy also that Scotty asked about why people thought Seanzie was a hit, then to tell people to go on Seanzie because he trusted the wagon composition there more then Michelle wagon (comprised of Rondo/Neon/JJJ/DrWilgy, who ALL VOTED MICHELLE DAY 2 AS WELL) (PS: Thanks Rondo for that spreadsheet thing). ALSO #738 this aside is actually really scummy because it goes against his snap decision that "oh kill Seanzie because I like wagon comp on there" thing that he talked about, like ew.
Do not feel so great about #893 just in retrospect and the halphazard Michelle townread he slapped at the end here. Had LC and DM as mafia at the time, insert bad WIFOMy read that Scotty doesn't kill LC because of this.
I feel like if Scotty is mafia, I kinda feel like they might have misused the curse thing because it feels more right to let Scotty talk himself out of being sussed as mafia and to give Michelle the cursed thing? I cannot help but to have that little voice in my head that says that, but I do find Scotty suspicious otherwise for this and already said day 1 reasons. I just hope he can actually communicate today and maybe point to important points he made day 2 or whatever that he wants to be clear, if this is an all game thing, oh boy.

Thunal33:

Thunal kept defending Michelle... interestingly, but I don't think it's outing for reasons. Mostly with how much detail Thunal was putting into continuously talking about Michelle.
Thunal talked about how town is controlling the thread even though they have also talked about not liking the wagons being like 2/2/2 at the time.
I believe the talking that was going on with Princess Abigail is not w/w with Abigail. #2015 is kinda a lame defense of Michelle if you actually read what Michelle is saying there, which I have my doubts that Thunal really did there...
I like Thunal in the #1737 chain of confidence here in terms of their robyn read.
Overall I could see this as wolf, but I am not super convinced for reasons. Like I see Abigail's readslist, then subsequent vote on Michelle and just thinking of those 2 things, like I would have to check back and see what Abigail did in that span of time in developing her read on Michelle if that happened but it does raise concerns just because I don't remember things.

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Which kinda transitions into I think some funny business might be happening with the wagons. As I pointed out earlier, day 1 had 4 people on the Michelle wagon, and those SAME 4 people are also there day 2, Rondo almost wasn't. Which just seems oddly consistent to me. And LoRab is certainly not towny which makes me question things. I certainly like the names on Michelle technically more then LoRab, my only decent TR on there is Bereft, and those aren't as strong as robyn/JJJ/Rondo on the Michelle wagon so that could also be a sign. Uh yeah wanted to check Abigail specifically next because if there was a bus there, it's like I would likely look there first or S~V~S on like an off chance it's DrWilgy (i feel like i have paid the least attention to Wilgy to be honest so it would probably be fine to check here after Abigail even though my gut says I TR him). This is some food for thought, I am busy tonight, finals week is so much fun!

Holy anal sis wall bat man !

Another day another Cape suspicion

RE: me - yesterday was almost a wash for me, and I have to agree with you, because even I felt blendy in the most unblendy way possible. It was truly *exhausting* to post, and it definitely reflected in my contributions. As a voyeur, not only was I behind, but even if people were able to get through my bullshit, it wasn’t worth the effort to try and clarify bits and pieces. JJJ only got maybe a fraction of what I was saying so my posts were more frustration than solving, so me pointing to specific points today is probably more PTSD because I don’t even want to look at that shit again.

RE: my Seanzie vote- I don’t remember pitching people to vote Seanzie, I just hopped on in the last bit with a split decision to vote him because you/robyn/JJJ were voting there. DESPITE the fact that I definitely was advocating against it to (Jjj?) earlier. It was more of a unifying vote as opposed to stray, ya feel?

Here’s a summary of my Day 2 in my head:
I was settled on Michelle as the counter wagon for almost the entire day, then I started getting cold feett with the big talkers basically controlling the thread and bereft was the one that just seemed like he was on the outside, keeping his vote open, being *there* but I couldn’t pinpoint him as leading any charges. It was the most blendy high posting job of this garm, and a part of me was thinking both Lorab and Michelle were just t/t.

I was able to come in the last 10 min to see a movement on Lorab/michelle. I don’t even know what the count was, but it seemed like there was some squirrelly shit happening with others trying to launch away from Michelle. And I picked wrong! Again!

I came into today thinking Lorax is basically cleared. Is she not? If not, why?

I wanna start cleaning people,and her wagon forming against Michele screams patsy (yes I know I voted there)

Anything from day 2 you felt like highlighting specifically from one of your messages?
Yeah you advocated against it to JJJ, you are correct there.
Like for me, I don't really think in terms of wagon purity when I am making suggestions for pushes personally but I know that's a me thing. I know town can just "be wrong" as we were, idk why I didn't vote Michelle other then I didn't wanna tie the wagons, but I should have in retrospect just because I didn't feel her logs that EOD were towny like (Thunal?) said they were.

So you did townread LoRab? You communicated to JJJ that you didn't with the all caps thing.

I wouldn't say LoRab is cleared unless you think most of the scum is contained in my start of day wall post, at least I would assume. Especially given your stance on Seanzie's wagon day 1 you would be on the same page as me which is why I wrote about every single one of you (though Thunal's was admittedly a kinda rush job, but I also was struggling writing what to say more I guess).

I didn’t have a towny read but the tinfoil part of me was thinking lorab v Michelle was a setup job and bereft was hanging in the background.

I think my opinion of Seanzie is currently clustered around thinking rondo was trying to save Michelle. If rondo were confirmed town, I think I’d be more in line with looking at things in a different light.

And eh, maybe lorab IS the big boss mafia. My gut read based on wagons shifting so often make me feel like there was a save attempt on Michelle onto Lorab that almost worked

ngl I was getting kinda nervous about my vote when I saw that Michelle wasn't giving up

I literally can not express to you enough that you should vote Michelle ffs I'm begging you

Abigail do you have any real reads?

Like saying this last minute is usually uncharacteristic for mafia, not too sure what it means for Abigail, but yeah

It does read like last minute distancing

in context with Abigail's ISO I agree and think she should be pushed here

[RondoDimBuckle]

We are jackals, and we descended upon the unresponsive Seanzie, and tore him to shreds. Unfortunately, he tasted good.

Long Con has been eliminated. He was Trent Crimm. The Independent.

You have 48 hours to find out who is responsible.

@RondoDimBuckle

Rebecca Walton - She wants nothing more than revenge on Rupert for cheating and publicly humiliating her. If she finds him, she drains all his money. (She will not be told she found Rupert.)

whoever is this role, your n1 is probably a red check

mafia should've had 2 kills last night

You know what now that you mention it.. It is likely that longcon was the vig

????

read again. slowly

[ts account]

My issue, is that you're taking issue with someone being town leader.

What is scummy about this?

Exactly nothing.

It does not add up.

also how is the person who has posted nothing all game able to have an opinion on who is a bad town leader?

I read some of your exchanges with JJJ and also interacted with you for less than 5 minutes
if you feel I got a bad impression of you, your personality, and how you play mafia, I'd be happy to give you a chance to start over

[ts account]

I like my wall part on Bereft so I do want to redirect you to that

Read it. In a vacuum, I see his town equity, but that’s why I think he is a good deep wolf candidate. Everything he’s done is easily possible to do as a wolf.

I do agree, but as robyn is my top townread at the moment, I do put stock into their opinion there. I just wanted to redirect you there because you mentioned not remembering his posts

valid

Thanks peanut gallery

it's the exact same reasoning I have, so that makes it +town EV

Mmm, I kinda think this is towny

basic logic ftw

[robyn]

My issue, is that you're taking issue with someone being town leader.

What is scummy about this?

Exactly nothing.

It does not add up.

also how is the person who has posted nothing all game able to have an opinion on who is a bad town leader?

I read some of your exchanges with JJJ and also interacted with you for less than 5 minutes
if you feel I got a bad impression of you, your personality, and how you play mafia, I'd be happy to give you a chance to start over

hope you never get an impression of me

[Cape90]

so wait.. let me get this straight. Me who has been helping provide content > wolf scum 100%

Slots that you have forgotten that are even in the game - town?

lol

More like out of sight out of mind- I had already townleaned them and weren’t a part of my poe

how does that make sense? You TOWN READ a 0 poster on 0 content.

this just makes no sense

you say it makes no sense, but their read was more accurate than yours so idk fam

See this is just wolf sus, how do you know how accurate I am? You havent even been here.

Also I have 100% accuracy. I have voted a wolf EOD every day. What have you been doing?

I said "hello" and you were immediately on my butt. In other words, you've immediately been wrong all day

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

Ok look

I’m not getting a strong vibe of someone that is trying to find a pulse on the game. You seem like you’re making a strong effort to appear laissez-faire, agreeing with takes seemingly out of the blue. It’s like that dude that just entered the room from the other department and a few people are laughing at the end of a joke, and you sidle up laughing too, going ‘yeah, crazy right?’

Could be a stylistic difference, but the approach doesn’t feel right to me

Cool, you are way better at wording my issue there then I am bravo

But I'd rather push someone for concrete things rather then a "i think this could be a stylistic difference" type of thing

[robyn]

read again. slowly

ah, ic

[Thunal33]

Spoiler: show

Looking at LoRab voters: (Hopefully stuff formats correctly)

Bereft:

I think Bereft's read on Scotty/LoRab is actually kind of towny and the world he presented with them and the strong language he used to make his argument #2496/#2517. All this despite his resistance to the Michelle wagon which to me kind of read as scummy #2476/#2477. But like even that is kinda towny on virtue of being this sort of stream of consciousness type of way. I like his confidence on his Rondo townread also.
Sidenote: I was getting kind of worried about Rondo just powerwolfing based on the pushes that he's done earlier, but have felt better about Rondo as he started talking more throughout the day, like for me, my thinking on Rondo went from "he's town" to "eh, like he could just be trying to eliminate towns through pushing whatever" back to "he's town" in short.
I kind of think #2342 was weak on a gut level.
Also Bereft saying the current wagons are bad but then suggesting ts account as a top wolf was funny to me (#2335) with the linked 2342, which is part of the reason why I have my issues with Bereft to be completely honest. Though I will say I don't mind the notion that Scotty could be mafia.
I think beyond this point, I do not really get like a whole lot out of Bereft's day 2, but I am in the zone of thinking he believes what he says which to me is a good look even with my said qualms there.

DarlingMonroe:

Despite seemingly also suspecting Michelle, DarlingMonroe was on LoRab. DM was also voting/tinfoiling Bereft which I find interesting... probably slightly towny. I randomly like #2191 even though I am also left a tad confused by it, but it does show a confidence in their own words. #2167 sort of pinged me when it came to Bereft, like in the sort of way where DarlingMonroe was pushing Bereft on the virtue that he is a strong player. On top of that if his thought processes throughout the game come across in the same exact way as Thunal's, wouldn't this be a cause for concern for DarlingMonroe?
#2166 I am also slightly concerned about because is seems like DM is calling Princess Abigail town only because she didn't ping them as much as the other four DM listed, which isn't really a real read on Princess Abigail.

OKAY I HAVE A POSSIBLY SILLY QUESTION
In #2127 DarlingMonroe says "And I understand LoRab is busy IRL..." right? So is this a scumslip? I mean you could maybe assume as much from them not showing up to the thread, but they haven't completely said outright that they were busy IRL directly so maybe they got the hear from LoRab from... somewhere else? Dun dun dun.
IDK if I actually believe that.
Uh.
Anyways...
#2103 points out all the no voters that were not voting day 2 in a... lateish stage. Also if S~V~S is actually mafia, DarlingMonroe is ALWAYS just town for #849.
Thinking lightly town just off last game when they were town were basically not voted off because of their PR claim, despite honestly not being all that towny (this is from the perspective of me being mafia though). Also I saw more OMGUS going on with her in her previous towngame which idk if that's like a reliable thing.

SIDENOTE: #2151 from S~V~S seems sketchy to me, though they voted Michelle.

Scotty:

The completely cursed slot himself, making hard to dechipher posts. Kinda found what he was trying to communicate from what I deciphered to be just kind of in the zone of "blendy okayness" IE: #2178 him questioning Thunal here I believe.
I'm guessing the curse is a thing that could be for anything, I think if Michelle flipped villager, this is exactly where I think mafia would be, but now with the flip, I am not so sure. Like I am sure scotty could maybe talk them out of sus better then Michelle, but it could also mean that Scotty is a mafia PR more powerful then Michelle, like maybe a Rupert...
Scotty did start day 2 by voting Michelle.
Going back to day 1 #1046 pinged me, especially if niche=michelle idk. Like mafia would talk to their partners in that way in a freak outty type of way. I find it rather sloppy also that Scotty asked about why people thought Seanzie was a hit, then to tell people to go on Seanzie because he trusted the wagon composition there more then Michelle wagon (comprised of Rondo/Neon/JJJ/DrWilgy, who ALL VOTED MICHELLE DAY 2 AS WELL) (PS: Thanks Rondo for that spreadsheet thing). ALSO #738 this aside is actually really scummy because it goes against his snap decision that "oh kill Seanzie because I like wagon comp on there" thing that he talked about, like ew.
Do not feel so great about #893 just in retrospect and the halphazard Michelle townread he slapped at the end here. Had LC and DM as mafia at the time, insert bad WIFOMy read that Scotty doesn't kill LC because of this.
I feel like if Scotty is mafia, I kinda feel like they might have misused the curse thing because it feels more right to let Scotty talk himself out of being sussed as mafia and to give Michelle the cursed thing? I cannot help but to have that little voice in my head that says that, but I do find Scotty suspicious otherwise for this and already said day 1 reasons. I just hope he can actually communicate today and maybe point to important points he made day 2 or whatever that he wants to be clear, if this is an all game thing, oh boy.

Thunal33:

Thunal kept defending Michelle... interestingly, but I don't think it's outing for reasons. Mostly with how much detail Thunal was putting into continuously talking about Michelle.
Thunal talked about how town is controlling the thread even though they have also talked about not liking the wagons being like 2/2/2 at the time.
I believe the talking that was going on with Princess Abigail is not w/w with Abigail. #2015 is kinda a lame defense of Michelle if you actually read what Michelle is saying there, which I have my doubts that Thunal really did there...
I like Thunal in the #1737 chain of confidence here in terms of their robyn read.
Overall I could see this as wolf, but I am not super convinced for reasons. Like I see Abigail's readslist, then subsequent vote on Michelle and just thinking of those 2 things, like I would have to check back and see what Abigail did in that span of time in developing her read on Michelle if that happened but it does raise concerns just because I don't remember things.

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Which kinda transitions into I think some funny business might be happening with the wagons. As I pointed out earlier, day 1 had 4 people on the Michelle wagon, and those SAME 4 people are also there day 2, Rondo almost wasn't. Which just seems oddly consistent to me. And LoRab is certainly not towny which makes me question things. I certainly like the names on Michelle technically more then LoRab, my only decent TR on there is Bereft, and those aren't as strong as robyn/JJJ/Rondo on the Michelle wagon so that could also be a sign. Uh yeah wanted to check Abigail specifically next because if there was a bus there, it's like I would likely look there first or S~V~S on like an off chance it's DrWilgy (i feel like i have paid the least attention to Wilgy to be honest so it would probably be fine to check here after Abigail even though my gut says I TR him). This is some food for thought, I am busy tonight, finals week is so much fun!

Holy anal sis wall bat man !

Another day another Cape suspicion

RE: me - yesterday was almost a wash for me, and I have to agree with you, because even I felt blendy in the most unblendy way possible. It was truly *exhausting* to post, and it definitely reflected in my contributions. As a voyeur, not only was I behind, but even if people were able to get through my bullshit, it wasn’t worth the effort to try and clarify bits and pieces. JJJ only got maybe a fraction of what I was saying so my posts were more frustration than solving, so me pointing to specific points today is probably more PTSD because I don’t even want to look at that shit again.

RE: my Seanzie vote- I don’t remember pitching people to vote Seanzie, I just hopped on in the last bit with a split decision to vote him because you/robyn/JJJ were voting there. DESPITE the fact that I definitely was advocating against it to (Jjj?) earlier. It was more of a unifying vote as opposed to stray, ya feel?

Here’s a summary of my Day 2 in my head:
I was settled on Michelle as the counter wagon for almost the entire day, then I started getting cold feett with the big talkers basically controlling the thread and bereft was the one that just seemed like he was on the outside, keeping his vote open, being *there* but I couldn’t pinpoint him as leading any charges. It was the most blendy high posting job of this garm, and a part of me was thinking both Lorab and Michelle were just t/t.

I was able to come in the last 10 min to see a movement on Lorab/michelle. I don’t even know what the count was, but it seemed like there was some squirrelly shit happening with others trying to launch away from Michelle. And I picked wrong! Again!

I came into today thinking Lorax is basically cleared. Is she not? If not, why?

I wanna start cleaning people,and her wagon forming against Michele screams patsy (yes I know I voted there)

Anything from day 2 you felt like highlighting specifically from one of your messages?
Yeah you advocated against it to JJJ, you are correct there.
Like for me, I don't really think in terms of wagon purity when I am making suggestions for pushes personally but I know that's a me thing. I know town can just "be wrong" as we were, idk why I didn't vote Michelle other then I didn't wanna tie the wagons, but I should have in retrospect just because I didn't feel her logs that EOD were towny like (Thunal?) said they were.

So you did townread LoRab? You communicated to JJJ that you didn't with the all caps thing.

I wouldn't say LoRab is cleared unless you think most of the scum is contained in my start of day wall post, at least I would assume. Especially given your stance on Seanzie's wagon day 1 you would be on the same page as me which is why I wrote about every single one of you (though Thunal's was admittedly a kinda rush job, but I also was struggling writing what to say more I guess).

I didn’t have a towny read but the tinfoil part of me was thinking lorab v Michelle was a setup job and bereft was hanging in the background.

I think my opinion of Seanzie is currently clustered around thinking rondo was trying to save Michelle. If rondo were confirmed town, I think I’d be more in line with looking at things in a different light.

And eh, maybe lorab IS the big boss mafia. My gut read based on wagons shifting so often make me feel like there was a save attempt on Michelle onto Lorab that almost worked

I feel like LoRab wouldn't be if she were mafia though. I don't think Michelle would try to push her at all if she were Rupert.

Mm you’re probably right.

Ok, well she could still be one of the other ones and mafia would have been picking between who had the best shot to go far.

But like….where is lorab? That’s too much of a push to even try and save someone that only exists in the dream world these days

I’m back on thinking this just clears lorab

It's a good look anyway and I'd guess they are w/t. I don't think it's 100% clearing but it's a pretty bad option to explore today.

[Thunal33]

I should have seen the broken vote tags coming.

Thunal, I see you don’t agree with me on rondo.

*checks notes* I feel like no one does. That’s fine, I guess. Maybe I could be tunneling. Maybe. But I don’t think I am.

What is your opinion of me? I feel like you’ve been so waffly on me all game, and find it odd you aren’t piling on

You got waffly from that? I've had you solidly in my PoE all day yesterday and only today I'm backing off because I think Michelle's side of the spew looks good for you. I don't think you're paired with SVS and I suspect SVS so I'd very lightly say you're town.

Well there ya go- my confusion was such that I didn’t realize why you weren’t pushing me- like I seem to remember someone voted bereft after me and you questioned them but not me.

And you haven’t expressed this change of heart today until now. So…yea, waffly. And not the buckwheat kind

I have. Read my Michelle spew wall.

[Bereft]

Long con should not have been the vig.

[ts account]

See this is just wolf sus, how do you know how accurate I am? You havent even been here.

Also I have 100% accuracy. I have voted a wolf EOD every day. What have you been doing?

I said "hello" and you were immediately on my butt. In other words, you've immediately been wrong all day

Even if I chopped you and you were town, I wouldnt care. Because youve done nothing all game and came in trying to act all casual like you havent just no voted for 2 day phases in a row. How do you think I should treat your slot? Do you not deserve some scrunity?

Its so easy to claim I am wrong but you know who else claimed I was wrong? Michelle.

No, I don't deserve any scrutiny
I should say "hello, I forgot about the game, but I remembered now" and we should move on from there
but you're stuck on it for some reason
you gotta let go of the past, maaaaan
I'm glad you're smart enough to come up with the argument that calling myself town is NAI, maaaaan

Ok, let’s start here:

Why should we town read you?

I'm firmly, 100%, inarguably in my town meta
and while my presence today isn't stellar or anything, it's still good enough that anyone actually trying to solve me should find a towny

problem.

1) I dont know, or care, about your meta.
2) Any awareness you have of being in your town meta means you can fake it
3) ???
4) Profit

hi there! You did not ask this question and as such I don't care about your problems
also, if you've ever heard the phrase "play stupid games win stupid prizes", the exchange between me and scotty here surely falls into that category
it literally doesn't matter whether or not anyone knows my meta; anyone who does would know I'm in town meta rn. Scotty asked and I answered truthfully, the end

[Cape90]

[VOTE: Cape ] aubergine

what is your impression of Abigail's really sloppy Michelle progression?

Abigail also called me suspicious for being sloppy with my reads day 1

[robyn]

if it was a vig shot someone is getting scolded by me

[RondoDimBuckle]

My issue, is that you're taking issue with someone being town leader.

What is scummy about this?

Exactly nothing.

It does not add up.

also how is the person who has posted nothing all game able to have an opinion on who is a bad town leader?

I read some of your exchanges with JJJ and also interacted with you for less than 5 minutes
if you feel I got a bad impression of you, your personality, and how you play mafia, I'd be happy to give you a chance to start over

nah that is pretty much the normal impression I give out. Im happy with it.

[ts account]

My issue, is that you're taking issue with someone being town leader.

What is scummy about this?

Exactly nothing.

It does not add up.

also how is the person who has posted nothing all game able to have an opinion on who is a bad town leader?

I read some of your exchanges with JJJ and also interacted with you for less than 5 minutes
if you feel I got a bad impression of you, your personality, and how you play mafia, I'd be happy to give you a chance to start over

hope you never get an impression of me

you seem a little sour but in a candy way
rondo is sour like bad cheese

[robyn]

okay so

ts account/svs/abbie

who are we chopping? idrc but i'd prefer ts into svs into abbie

[RondoDimBuckle]

Long con should not have been the vig.

Rebecca Walton - She wants nothing more than revenge on Rupert for cheating and publicly humiliating her. If she finds him, she drains all his money. (She will not be told she found Rupert.)

whoever is this role, your n1 is probably a red check

mafia should've had 2 kills last night

should not have, but here we are.

[ts account]

okay so

ts account/svs/abbie

who are we chopping? idrc but i'd prefer ts into svs into abbie

aren't I the only one of those three who's actually been doing anything today

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Cape ] aubergine

what is your impression of Abigail's really sloppy Michelle progression?

Abigail also called me suspicious for being sloppy with my reads day 1

I am currently at Cape/Neon/Michelle/Lorab

[robyn]

Long con should not have been the vig.

Rebecca Walton - She wants nothing more than revenge on Rupert for cheating and publicly humiliating her. If she finds him, she drains all his money. (She will not be told she found Rupert.)

whoever is this role, your n1 is probably a red check

mafia should've had 2 kills last night

should not have, but here we are.

no

1.5m n1 and -1m for the kill

d2 they have 2m and enough for 2 kills

no protection stuff

[robyn]

[VOTE: Cape ] aubergine

what is your impression of Abigail's really sloppy Michelle progression?

Abigail also called me suspicious for being sloppy with my reads day 1

I am currently at Cape/Neon/Michelle/Lorab

cape town, old man

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Cape ] aubergine

what is your impression of Abigail's really sloppy Michelle progression?

Abigail also called me suspicious for being sloppy with my reads day 1

I am currently at Cape/Neon/Michelle/Lorab

cape town, old man

read again, slowly

[Thunal33]

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Just under 12 hours elapsed between this:

‪Michelle‬

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

and this:

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

During that period, Michelle made these posts:

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

@Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail

or any subset of them if you don't have time

I read zero SVS posts,
Lorad same,
Scotty posts coloured like parrot feathers and i have little understanding for the meaning of what I read, idk what to do but I'd say he seems to try a solve so it's more towny than not
Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

I concur

Explain

You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.

I had traction for low activity.

@Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.

You force me to self press on Sean

This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.

EOD1 wagons were on me vs zero poster and SVS iirc, and I only knew my alignament so I self pressed.
Why Sean? I know he would never leave the Poe, as absent slot all day long.
Also people were pushing for him.
Is that the reason you are voting me?

I was referring to Michelle in that comment. Rondo made an argument for why Michelle's responses to me at EOD1 were towny, and that was my counter.

Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

Robyn had a town core of Cape and Bereft. A simple stance and I didn't notice anyone to say something against it. At the time I had a thought and I don't want to give it away but I wouldn't vote any of them.

I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.

I am sorry, weekends should be time out from mafia. At least Sundays.
I will be active, pinky promise!

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

Welcome back friend. Glad you are having a good day.

Thanks!

Time for a few Isos now

Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Why?.

Oh nvm, i wouldn't understand it -.-

I opened SVSs Iso and she has 50 posts, it will take some time.

I was afk all day.

Not voting now doesn't mean I will not vote at all.

I know who I am not voting, but I will read at least SVSs Iso before voting.

There's something i noticed but i wait to see if i am the only one

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.

Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

yeah, bereft/michelle/lorab/svs is where I am at for wolves

and it seems town has gotten it together with votes on all of them... and them not voting for each other or for townies is what is convincing me

Can you say it again?

I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
4
36%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, robyn, Thunal33, Michelle
‪Michelle‬
1
9%
Voters: DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy
Total votes: 11

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

I am brain sleeping

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

It's only barely a meta read in that this is her second game on the site. I hosted the first. She should be interpreted through that lens -- a brand new mafia player. I just think she looks real.

Second game with no other experience of forum mafia/other social deduction games?

I was hoping I wouldn't check on this and find virtually no new Michelle material to explain Abigail's change of heart. However, there is a ton of material, so it's conceivable for that to have been legitimate. Some of Michelle's most important material came during the appropriate window (e.g., suspecting and voting LoRab).

does anyone know what the relationship between michelle+abigail+lorab is?
So far I have abigail flipflopping on michelle and lorab being spewed clear
are there any other relationships here that could paint a clearer picture?

So you see what JJJ highlighted there?

Yeah that's about the progression Princess Abigail went on in terms Michelle, she only had a change of heart like... last second without explanation

What I find really odd is PA saying this

Please make a valid CW before EoD I beg you

And this is 1. when Michelle was a wagon 2. while Abigail was "townreading" Michelle from her list

and this

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

was a few posts after the counterwagon one in a very very short span of time, like I am extremely confused there

for you pointing this out +1 townpoint [VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

thank you for your service

Anywho

I literally can not express to you enough that you should vote Michelle ffs I'm begging you

Abigail do you have any real reads?

i think this is attempted spew from Michelle's end

What makes me think that is

Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

This was a SNIPPET of a post contained in a larger post

The ONLY other post Michelle mentioned Abigail on and with this said, Michelle made no effort to sort her even with this "concern".

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Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.

Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I think all of these show Michelle paying special care and attention to LoRab day 2 and I could see where the argument LoRab is spewed from this comes from

LoRab has been MIA since day 1 unfortunately and neither of them talked about one another then, I hope LoRab is okay.

It's confusing but Abi can be confusing and chaotic as town so I don't think sudden 180s are a bad thing for her. Although I don't know what changed her mind. Imo, the fact that she had more of a hand in killing Michelle yesterday out of anyone not named JJJ and she didn't have to makes me feel pretty good about her.

[Cape90]

okay so

ts account/svs/abbie

who are we chopping? idrc but i'd prefer ts into svs into abbie

I'm in the camp of Abigail > TS > SVS personally as of right now. I think SVS had more towny patches then any of the other 2 which is why I say that

[Thunal33]

I'm fine with an SVS or ts account chop. Not Abi.

[robyn]

[VOTE: Cape ] aubergine

what is your impression of Abigail's really sloppy Michelle progression?

Abigail also called me suspicious for being sloppy with my reads day 1

I am currently at Cape/Neon/Michelle/Lorab

cape town, old man

read again, slowly

okay this i don't get

[RondoDimBuckle]

Scotty is at least not someone I am worried about in the long run

[Cape90]

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Just under 12 hours elapsed between this:

‪Michelle‬

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

and this:

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

During that period, Michelle made these posts:

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

@Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail

or any subset of them if you don't have time

I read zero SVS posts,
Lorad same,
Scotty posts coloured like parrot feathers and i have little understanding for the meaning of what I read, idk what to do but I'd say he seems to try a solve so it's more towny than not
Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

Explain

You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.

I had traction for low activity.

@Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.

You force me to self press on Sean

This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.

EOD1 wagons were on me vs zero poster and SVS iirc, and I only knew my alignament so I self pressed.
Why Sean? I know he would never leave the Poe, as absent slot all day long.
Also people were pushing for him.
Is that the reason you are voting me?

Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

Robyn had a town core of Cape and Bereft. A simple stance and I didn't notice anyone to say something against it. At the time I had a thought and I don't want to give it away but I wouldn't vote any of them.

I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.

I am sorry, weekends should be time out from mafia. At least Sundays.
I will be active, pinky promise!

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11

VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

Welcome back friend. Glad you are having a good day.

Thanks!

Time for a few Isos now

Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Why?.

Oh nvm, i wouldn't understand it -.-

I opened SVSs Iso and she has 50 posts, it will take some time.

I was afk all day.

Not voting now doesn't mean I will not vote at all.

I know who I am not voting, but I will read at least SVSs Iso before voting.

There's something i noticed but i wait to see if i am the only one

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.

Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

yeah, bereft/michelle/lorab/svs is where I am at for wolves

and it seems town has gotten it together with votes on all of them... and them not voting for each other or for townies is what is convincing me

Can you say it again?

I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

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‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
4
36%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, robyn, Thunal33, Michelle
‪Michelle‬
1
9%
Voters: DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy
Total votes: 11

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

I am brain sleeping

Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

It's only barely a meta read in that this is her second game on the site. I hosted the first. She should be interpreted through that lens -- a brand new mafia player. I just think she looks real.

Second game with no other experience of forum mafia/other social deduction games?

I was hoping I wouldn't check on this and find virtually no new Michelle material to explain Abigail's change of heart. However, there is a ton of material, so it's conceivable for that to have been legitimate. Some of Michelle's most important material came during the appropriate window (e.g., suspecting and voting LoRab).

does anyone know what the relationship between michelle+abigail+lorab is?
So far I have abigail flipflopping on michelle and lorab being spewed clear
are there any other relationships here that could paint a clearer picture?

So you see what JJJ highlighted there?

Yeah that's about the progression Princess Abigail went on in terms Michelle, she only had a change of heart like... last second without explanation

What I find really odd is PA saying this

Please make a valid CW before EoD I beg you

And this is 1. when Michelle was a wagon 2. while Abigail was "townreading" Michelle from her list

and this

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

was a few posts after the counterwagon one in a very very short span of time, like I am extremely confused there

for you pointing this out +1 townpoint [VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

thank you for your service

Anywho

I literally can not express to you enough that you should vote Michelle ffs I'm begging you

Abigail do you have any real reads?

i think this is attempted spew from Michelle's end

What makes me think that is

Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

This was a SNIPPET of a post contained in a larger post

The ONLY other post Michelle mentioned Abigail on and with this said, Michelle made no effort to sort her even with this "concern".

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Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.

Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I think all of these show Michelle paying special care and attention to LoRab day 2 and I could see where the argument LoRab is spewed from this comes from

LoRab has been MIA since day 1 unfortunately and neither of them talked about one another then, I hope LoRab is okay.

It's confusing but Abi can be confusing and chaotic as town so I don't think sudden 180s are a bad thing for her. Although I don't know what changed her mind. Imo, the fact that she had more of a hand in killing Michelle yesterday out of anyone not named JJJ and she didn't have to makes me feel pretty good about her.

yeah for some reason, especially with Michelle's side combined, it almost feels too straightforward. But I would still like Abigail's response (though I also worry it probably won't be much help too)

[robyn]

Leslie Higgins - He is one of the original Diamond Dogs and close confidant of Rebecca’s; He always knows everyone’s business and loves to talk. Sends a message to another player once a night.

this person needs to send me a message

[RondoDimBuckle]

Leslie Higgins - He is one of the original Diamond Dogs and close confidant of Rebecca’s; He always knows everyone’s business and loves to talk. Sends a message to another player once a night.

this person needs to send me a message

Technically you cant directly ask this because it would out that you are not this. Unless you are doing a big double bluff but either way its wifom

[RondoDimBuckle]

@robyn @Bereft please join me in voting cape ty

[robyn]

thunal/cape/rondo u guys should figure out a chop order of 4 players

[robyn]

@robyn @Bereft please join me in voting cape ty

cape is town wtf

[RondoDimBuckle]

@robyn @Bereft please join me in voting cape ty

cape is town wtf

Listen to yourself you know it to be true

[robyn]

@robyn @Bereft please join me in voting cape ty

cape is town wtf

Listen to yourself you know it to be true

cape is my top town

[robyn]

there are 0 worlds where cape is wolf