Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 7]

#3151

Vompatti wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Personally I'm all for lynching G-Man on day 6, then Vomps on day 7, and then if that fails I'll see who's left in lylo.
Won't the game end when we lynch G-Man since there's only one (1) baddie left?

#3152

G-Man wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Personally I'm all for lynching G-Man on day 6, then Vomps on day 7, and then if that fails I'll see who's left in lylo.
Won't the game end when we lynch G-Man since there's only one (1) baddie left?

Are you implying that you might not be a baddie?

#3153

Riveting exchange!

Sorry G-Man but i won't have time. But i do endorse lynching aether before you.

#3154

I have reread acrosstheaether, and I encourage everyone to do the same. I think we should lynch her tomorrow.

#3155

Vompatti wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Personally I'm all for lynching G-Man on day 6, then Vomps on day 7, and then if that fails I'll see who's left in lylo.
Won't the game end when we lynch G-Man since there's only one (1) baddie left?

Are you implying that you might not be a baddie?

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Riveting exchange!

Sorry G-Man but i won't have time. But i do endorse lynching aether before you.

Spoiler: show

#3156

I'm having a bad feeling about this.

#3157

Turnip, how did you go from this...

Turnip Head wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I think this is a little bit silly and a cyclical discussion. Going for "the most informative lynch" sounds like a good way to lose the game. And it all seems to be based entirely upon Bass's Day 3 vote, which is a move I think baddie-Bass always makes tbh; maybe how it would make aether look did not even factor into his thought process at the time, maybe it did. If I let you guys convince me to lynch Aether (because her lynch is most informative) and she flips town, next you'll be convincing me we can't lynch Bass because of aether's flip, and I think that's the wrong mindset. It doesn't feel like a productive way to make decisions.
I'm not suspecting town just because of the information though, i'm suspecting her because of her suspicious behavior including: jumping on bandwagons without explanation, avoiding almost every question that was asked to her and generally acting like she doesn't care about the game.
I suppose these are the same reasons I think aether is town, haha.

...to this?

Turnip Head wrote:I have reread acrosstheaether, and I encourage everyone to do the same. I think we should lynch her tomorrow.

#3158

And please, explain what you actually saw in aether's posts, instead of just asking us to read them.

#3159

Like I said, I reread her from Day 0, something I had not done before. I tried to read with both lenses on, aether writing posts as a civ and aether writing as a baddie, and I think the case on her being bad, especially her conscientiousness of how a Bass flip will make her look, is pretty compelling.

I'll of course elaborate if I make it through the night.

#3160

Turnip Head wrote: I'll of course elaborate if I make it through the night.

That's the main problem, if I had to bet on how is about to be killed, I'd pick you.

#3161

Did you read my case against aether from this phase DDL?

#3162

Yes I did. Not much to disagree with, I think. She has been looking scummy since the game started.

Similar points could be made about G-Man. He also spent the last phase on the fence about bass and aether.

Something tells me a lot of aether's "not giving a shit" attitude is legit, though.

#3163

Night 5 - Comparative Advantage

With a third anti-capitalist fool gone, the group felt that they could soon come to a consensus on a plan for the future and get back out into the world. They all made feverish preparations for end-game: some back-patting and final strategy meetings were had, there was nearly a run on Logan's Patented Single-Use Disposable Kevlar Vests, and even Russti pushed up his lecture schedule to make sure everyone understood the basic concepts of economics before they left. (But of course they did, being the most brilliant minds the world has seen!)

Turnip Head wanted out as badly as anyone, of course. He worked all Night trying to save up for a vest, thinking that soon he might get to see his tuber-topped family again. He worked so feverishly, in fact, that as he hustled down to the market where other players exchanged their guns and butter for currency, the sun was just coming over the horizon. He slid into the room, heels squeaking on marble floors, only to see that the sign had been taken down. He cast about, and saw the back of the nocturnal shopkeeper headed toward his bed, a long way off down the hall.

"Wait! Stop! I need a vest! I'll pay anything!" he cried, but the elderly keeper was slightly deaf and didn't him.He took off in pursuit, still shouting, and his cries got some attention - just not the kind he had hoped for. Solow, up ahead, saw the shopkeeper toddle by, and tucked himself quickly into an alcove. When Turnip Head ran past, Solow simply stood up and shot him in the back. TH fell with a gurgle and a thump, and that was that. His body was found that morning, and the group vowed to avenge his death.

Turnip Head has been killed by Robert Solow.
Continued high production has led to another boom!
It is now Day 6. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

#3164

Of course I had to jynx it.

That was one hell of a game you played here, Turnip. GG.

#3165

RIP TH: I am always secretly overjoyed and saddened to see my nemesis die. :P

#3166

RIP TH. Like DDL I can't say it's a surprise given that you've pretty much lynched most of the team my yourself, but I don't think your death is in vain.

Aether will be my vote today. I'm feeling pretty confident about this.

@MM - I thought I was your nemisisesis

#3167

Okay I suppose I gotta fulfill TH's last wish and read all of aether's posts...

... tomorrow.

#3168

Honestly i am very confident it's aether. Her posts basically scream it in light of the Bass flip.

#3169

Golden wrote:RIP TH. Like DDL I can't say it's a surprise given that you've pretty much lynched most of the team my yourself, but I don't think your death is in vain.

Aether will be my vote today. I'm feeling pretty confident about this.

@MM - I thought I was your nemisisesis

I haven't tried to get you lynched in our last twenty-thousand games together and vice versa. :P Just the one game on INFJ

#3170

At this point though, I think it's almost mandatory that we don't let neither aether NOR G-Man live to the end of the game. Scratch what I said about Vomps, those two should be the priority targets. There's just way too much evidence on both of them to ignore.

#3171

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Honestly i am very confident it's aether. Her posts basically scream it in light of the Bass flip.

Yes exactly. Plus:

The thing you noticed which I think speaks to an intellectual dishonesty going on.
The fake quit.
The BR/aether bass vote...

It all lines up to me. I'll be shocked if she isn't.

#3172

my eyeball is twitching with the desire to just vote now. foolhardy perhaps, and definitely not like me. but it's twitching.

#3173

Yea I will give aether some time to change my mind, but since she hasn't really tried any of the other times I am not sure that we will get anything different now.

#3174

does anyone stand opposed to an aether lynch aside from aether herself?

she should of course say her piece though.

#3175

To all who are confident that I'm the last one remaining: why would Bass implicate me so badly if this is the case?

Also if I were mafia JJJ would be long dead. I have known his ability for a very long time, and so has sanmateo. This almost makes me sure that the remaining mafia member is not someone from RYM.

#3176

How did bass implicate you so badly?

#3177

Golden wrote:How did bass implicate you so badly?

Well, look what everyone thinks of me now.
The remaining mafia member must be laughing so hard.

#3178

Hey Jay-man remember that time you were wrong about Strewth, and I was the one who told you that you might be wrong? Just saying.

#3179

I would certainly give up at this point if I'm mafia, but I'm not. If town is narrow-minded and set on lynching myself and G-Man in some order, and decide that it's better if I go first, I suggest you look at sanmateo, Golden 2.0, Vompatti, perhaps even JJJ should the G-Man plan not go well.

Feel good about but don't assume they're confirmed town by any means:
fingersplints
Dragon D. Luffy
JaggedJimmyJay

There highly likely be mafia among this pile:
Vompatti
Golden 2.0
sanmateo
G-Man

#3180

acrosstheaether wrote:
Golden wrote:How did bass implicate you so badly?
Well, look what everyone thinks of me now.
The remaining mafia member must be laughing so hard.

What if it's your posts and not Bass's which are the primary implicators?

#3181

acrosstheaether wrote:Hey Jay-man remember that time you were wrong about Strewth, and I was the one who told you that you might be wrong? Just saying.

Would you say you have a choice in the matter? You should visit my case against you from Night 5 and tell me where I'm wrong.

#3182

Regarding me being alive:

A single RYMer on the mafia team wouldn't necessarily mean i'd be dead. Earlier in the game that request could be overruled by other mafia members. Later in the game i would likely be perceived as less of a threat than Turnip or MP. Even when i had the same reads as them people weren't really following my lead. And for all we know my murder could have been attempted at some point. Shrug.

#3183

Aether said she knows your role though, so it could be TH's potential role could have been more threatening.

acrosstheaether wrote:To all who are confident that I'm the last one remaining: why would Bass implicate me so badly if this is the case?

Also if I were mafia JJJ would be long dead. I have known his ability for a very long time, and so has sanmateo. This almost makes me sure that the remaining mafia member is not someone from RYM.

How do you know that sanmateo knows his role? And if you know his role, why did you say in another post that we should look at him after sanmateo, Golden, Vomps, and Gman?

#3184

We don't know JJJ's role. We know that he's good at mafia.

#3185

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
acrosstheaether wrote:
Golden wrote:How did bass implicate you so badly?
Well, look what everyone thinks of me now.
The remaining mafia member must be laughing so hard.
What if it's your posts and not Bass's which are the primary implicators?

If this point applies to me, then it also applies to sanmateo, no?

I have said multiple times that Bass was really, really clever to have broken a tie between Black Rock and me to vote the former, who flipped mafia. Now the rest of town believes that it only makes sense if both BR and I were mafia, but I know full well that he voted BR instead of me knowing that it would implicate me HARD later on. Do you think he would really implicate me that way if I were his teammate? Wouldn't he have tried to protect me afterwards, instead of calling me a town read earlier in the game, then shading me later, when the mafia team isn't as strong?

Should you look at me from the perspective that I'm town, I reckon most of you would agree that I'd be an easy target for mafia to manipulate town into lynching.

Also, TH was set to lynch G-Man instead of me, only voicing me as a backup plan. I'd be really, really, really REALLY ignorant to NK him over JJJ who's sure I'm mafia.

#3186

acrosstheaether wrote:We don't know JJJ's role. We know that he's good at mafia.

That's not what you said here:

acrosstheaether wrote:To all who are confident that I'm the last one remaining: why would Bass implicate me so badly if this is the case?

Also if I were mafia JJJ would be long dead. I have known his ability for a very long time, and so has sanmateo. This almost makes me sure that the remaining mafia member is not someone from RYM.

#3187

acrosstheaether wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
acrosstheaether wrote:
Golden wrote:How did bass implicate you so badly?
Well, look what everyone thinks of me now.
The remaining mafia member must be laughing so hard.
What if it's your posts and not Bass's which are the primary implicators?
If this point applies to me, then it also applies to sanmateo, no?

I have said multiple times that Bass was really, really clever to have broken a tie between Black Rock and me to vote the former, who flipped mafia. Now the rest of town believes that it only makes sense if both BR and I were mafia, but I know full well that he voted BR instead of me knowing that it would implicate me HARD later on. Do you think he would really implicate me that way if I were his teammate? Wouldn't he have tried to protect me afterwards, instead of calling me a town read earlier in the game, then shading me later, when the mafia team isn't as strong?

Should you look at me from the perspective that I'm town, I reckon most of you would agree that I'd be an easy target for mafia to manipulate town into lynching.

Also, TH was set to lynch G-Man instead of me, only voicing me as a backup plan. I'd be really, really, really REALLY ignorant to NK him over JJJ who's sure I'm mafia.

This is just untrue. This is TH's second to last post (the next one elaborating on why we shoud lynch you)

Turnip Head wrote:I have reread acrosstheaether, and I encourage everyone to do the same. I think we should lynch her tomorrow.

#3188

I think you are stretching if you want to evaluate mafia's NKs based on who their targets were suspecting. That's WIFOM trap. Just like mafia could have killed X because they were suspecting Y, they could have killed Z to avoid implicating Y. It's pointless to attempt to read that.

In my view, mafia has been consistent in killing people who were being perceived as town by others, and thus being unlikely to be lynched. As well as killing people who were being very productive in the game in general. Turnip was the towniest player in the last few phases imo, so that's why he died.

(ofc Bubbles is kind of an exception to that, but then the cop hunt theory can explain it).

#3189

As for the "JJJ being good" thing, as much as that may hold true, a smart player would know he isn't the only good player here, and that what really matters is who is being more dangerous in this particular game. Jay could have died earlier, but the ones mafia chose to kill weren't bad choices.

#3190

fingersplints wrote:
acrosstheaether wrote:We don't know JJJ's role. We know that he's good at mafia.
That's not what you said here:

acrosstheaether wrote:To all who are confident that I'm the last one remaining: why would Bass implicate me so badly if this is the case?

Also if I were mafia JJJ would be long dead. I have known his ability for a very long time, and so has sanmateo. This almost makes me sure that the remaining mafia member is not someone from RYM.

By "ability", I mean skill level. I meant his mafia ability is good. I do not know his role.

#3191

Mods, is there a majority in this game at all?

#3192

I meant underline. Mods, is there a majority in this game at all?

#3193

Tell me, where are you going to look afterwards if you do lynch me today? 'Cause you're going to need to do that.

#3194

Just did a reread on aether's posts.

Turnip is right. She is so scummy it hurts. Even more than G-Man I'd say.

There's still a part of me who thinks there's something legit about her, but it could be just her meta. At this point, I'm inclined to vote her.

G-Man is next if she flips town, though.

#3195

acrosstheaether wrote:What can I say, Bass sure was a _Clever scum and did a good job of implicating me.

acrosstheaether wrote:To all who are confident that I'm the last one remaining: why would Bass implicate me so badly if this is the case?

Also if I were mafia JJJ would be long dead. I have known his ability for a very long time, and so has sanmateo. This almost makes me sure that the remaining mafia member is not someone from RYM.

acrosstheaether wrote:
Golden wrote:How did bass implicate you so badly?
Well, look what everyone thinks of me now.
The remaining mafia member must be laughing so hard.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
acrosstheaether wrote:
Golden wrote:How did bass implicate you so badly?
Well, look what everyone thinks of me now.
The remaining mafia member must be laughing so hard.
What if it's your posts and not Bass's which are the primary implicators?

Spoiler: show

#3196

acrosstheaether wrote:I would certainly give up at this point if I'm mafia, but I'm not. If town is narrow-minded and set on lynching myself and G-Man in some order, and decide that it's better if I go first, I suggest you look at sanmateo, Golden 2.0, Vompatti, perhaps even JJJ should the G-Man plan not go well.

Spoiler: show

#3197

G-Man wrote:
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Not necessarily, since there was a case against me, and others were on it too. What if Bass voted for me instead of BR and I flipped mafia? Would that still have made Bass look bad?

IT'S ALMOST AS IF YOU KNOW I AM TOWN OMG.

#3198

fingersplints wrote:
sanmateo wrote:tfw you wake up and the lynch is decided already.

sanmateo wrote:calling the scum team as fingersplints and g-man rn. i dont feel like voting for bass after being told to do so and when i think he's town
These posts really bother me. Mainly because it echos a similar frustration bass was saying.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Look I been defending myself all game. I glad everyone decided to vote for me with out giving me a chance to defened myself. So now you guys will be lossing a civ.
The mafia team seemed to be annoyed by the fact that we didn't give him a chance to defend. While we did all vote early, I disagree that he didn't have a chance (a lot of this has been discussed for a while)

I was a little confused by sanmateo's posts at the time (before bass even flipped). "After being told to do so" - who told you you had to vote bass?

Spoiler: show

#3199

Seriously G, why would you even bring that up if you think/want to convince others I'm mafia? If you are entertaining the notion that Black Rock and I were teammates, whoever was lynched that day wouldn't matter to how Bass appears (which his vote was instrumental in). Yet here you are contradicting yourself.

If there's no majority today I'm probably going to modkill myself. I don't want town to waste time on me. If I'm such a big hurdle then I just want you all to hurry up and get on with it.

#3200

acrosstheaether wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Spoiler: show
Not necessarily, since there was a case against me, and others were on it too. What if Bass voted for me instead of BR and I flipped mafia? Would that still have made Bass look bad?

Spoiler: show

acrosstheaether wrote:Seriously G, why would you even bring that up if you think/want to convince others I'm mafia? If you are entertaining the notion that Black Rock and I were teammates, whoever was lynched that day wouldn't matter to how Bass appears (which his vote was instrumental in). Yet here you are contradicting yourself.

Spoiler: show

acrosstheaether wrote:If there's no majority today I'm probably going to modkill myself. I don't want town to waste time on me. If I'm such a big hurdle then I just want you all to hurry up and get on with it.

Spoiler: show

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