Vanilla Mafia - [MELTED]

[MafiaMenace]

What do you mean by "there is one scum between them"? I thought you had me as hard town read bud

what fam
bro i slight townread wayward and the 'hard townread' was a joke

a read can change
so if nutella flips town my read on your slot stoops

I'm just messing with you about the hard town read lol

My problem is with your "there is one scum betwen them". That's just lazy. I don't see it coming from any interaction between Wayward and nutella that you pinged as town/scum. What's the link there?

because their argument seemed real so they arent svs
its just the logical jump for me

you could be tvt and i could be wrong here

I get your take on their argument but that logical jump is bogus.

Why would Wayward/Me look worse if Nutella flips civ? You have us as independent reads, so why would I look any less Town?

because i have no one else to go off of
i cant just plug and play a null read

You got any other red read except Nutella?

nope

[novaselinenever]

Also that's not how you tread someone who subbed in to keep the game flowing

[Epignosis]

So how about y'all take your votes off me? It makes me feel uneasy

No problem.

[novaselinenever]

So how about y'all take your votes off me? It makes me feel uneasy

No problem.

Thank you

[novaselinenever]

Talk to me about Sloonei

[Epignosis]

So how about y'all take your votes off me? It makes me feel uneasy

No problem.

Thank you

I won't vote for you today. Get your feet wet. Go.

[Epignosis]

Talk to me about Sloonei

Start here:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 44#p509644

[novaselinenever]

So how about y'all take your votes off me? It makes me feel uneasy

No problem.

Thank you

I won't vote for you today. Get your feet wet. Go.

[VOTE: JJ] aubergine

How wet is that?

[Epignosis]

So how about y'all take your votes off me? It makes me feel uneasy

No problem.

Thank you

I won't vote for you today. Get your feet wet. Go.

[VOTE: JJ] aubergine

How wet is that?

Pretty damn moist.

[Sloonei]

I’m gonna actually have time for ISOs tomorrow. I hope you’re all as excited as I am.

At the moment I feel like WaywardSon was in an unfortunate situation of being over-extended in too many games, and he also possibly happened to be bad in this one. His tone felt a little resigned when he was here and now he’s gone.
That said, nova should be given a chance to do his thang.

I have a vague gut town read on nutella. I feel like I’m picking up sincere thinky vibes from her. But I owe it to myself to actually do some homework before I say I don’t want to lynch her. Mostly ditto for Jay, but I feel like I have a slightly better grasp on my town read of him.

G-man is the hardest working person in the thread. Occam’s razor says he’s good. Occam’s tinfoil says he’s bad.

I don’t want to get sucked into a tunnel on Epi so I’m trying to see him as town today. I can do it. He’s actually hunting now, it looks better.

I don’t have any other particularly strong reads elsewhere. The rest of y’all are in a neutral blob of all the melted ice creams congealed at the bottom of the freezer. Except for Spacedaisy. We don’t have any Spacedaisy ice cream in stock.

[Epignosis]

I'm dead until tomorrow evening. Exams begin. Not mine. The students'.

[sprityo]

nova gets a hard townread out the gates
/s

>makes one piece reference
>townlock

[sprityo]

Another factor in this is that it's a relatively recent development in this community/mafia playing history that you are considered a winner if you are dead. It used to be that only the remaining living players of the winning faction got to be winners. So I'm used to really, really not wanting to die. But even then, civilians need to not get lynched, especially in a tight numbers game like this. We need to avoid mislynches at all costs. So yeah, I'm gonna fuckin fight to survive.

theres nothing wrong with wanting to live

Letting loose with an anime pic to make your first impression in the game?

Not a good look.

Why is that?

Loosen up. It was a joke.

I said that mostly because I’m an old fart who has zero interest in or appreciation for anime/manga/whateverelsetheycallitnow.

I understand your pain though

[G-Man]

Let’s all remember that, until [mention]WaywardSon[/mention] changes his vote to the non-player option, Nutella only has one vote on her that counts.

[novaselinenever]

Is civ G-man usually this conservative with his vote? Feels weird that after being vocal questioning others and providing reads, he hasn't thrown his vote around to push a lynch or prod.

[reywaS]

I know it's corny, bitches, you wish you could unfollow....

Living Players:

Cover Nori in lamb's wool We surrounded by the fuckin wolves.....

Epignosis
G-Man
JaggedJimmyJay
WaywardSon
Deceased Players:
??sabie12?? - Blue Moon - Killed Night 1




And I wonder if you know
What it means, what it means
And I wonder if you know
What it means, what it means
And I wonder if you know

MafiaMenace
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
sprityo





The light is before us brothers, so the devil workin' hard
Real family stick together and see through the mirage

nutella




I am a God
So hurry up with my damn massage
In a French-ass restaurant
Hurry up with my damn croissants
I am a God
I am a God
I am a God

reywaS

[JaggedJimmyJay]

G-Man- I do not suspect this person. If I had to name one person as a civilian, it's G-Man, because his thought process jives mostly with mine and he's doing the most work (although the bar hasn't been set real high). Would not lynch.

JJJ- I maintain a healthy suspicion of JJJ, as most of the time lynching him requires an act of God. I read his commentary on WaywardSon. It makes sense to me, but I had differing assumptions when I read WaywardSon's posts. I'll get to those at the end since Wayward starts with a W. For right now, I don't have any pressing reason to lynch JJJ unless I am right about Sloonei. Would not lynch.

MafiaMenace- I do not suspect this person. I give passes to new people Day 1 (and rey, who has returned from the dead, resurrected as an "artist" of questionable skill). MafiaMenace has earned an extension of that pass, because I like his stuff. He started out slow, but I can see a progression of thinking that feels natural and indicates sincerity. Would not lynch.

nutella- nutella gives me fits. I never get her right, so take whatever I have to say about her with a grain of salt (or the whole Morton company). I don't agree with G-Man that nutella fell into some trap of over-eagerness. nutella may be a Gullible-Ass Basic BitchTM, but I'm not buying that. Would not lynch.

reywaS- He is God's vessel. His greatest pain in life is that he will never be able to see himself perform live. Would lynch.

Sloonei- I suspect this person the most. Here is why if you missed it. Would lynch.

Spacedaisy- I've got nothing. Would lynch.

sprityo- The guy has 18 posts, and I do not see where this happened. Would lynch.

WaywardSon- As I said, the way JJJ framed WaywardSon's posts makes sense, but I had differing assumptions when I read them. For example:

So the thread isn't locked at night?

I would have thought, were WaywardSon annoyed by Night posting (because he was bad), he would have voiced his question to Colin privately, and not broadcasted it in the thread. I get that doesn't preclude his being mafia, but that was my own view. However, I have not forgotten this:

im here for like 30 min
catching up

3:05pm EST

im putting catching up on hold
half an hour isnt enough time

3:12pm EST

That's seven minutes.

He tried to make it look like he had invested a half an hour in the thread, but had devoted a whopping seven minutes. Maybe where he's from, they don't have timestamps. Would lynch.

This does not sound like a post written by Epignosis, and many of the reads warranted the Russtifinko Color-Coding Method® for their meandering and hedging.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mixing up Menace and WS is fine, though I don't believe you've stated how that error impacts your read on either of them, Epignocchi.

[Sloonei]

Is civ G-man usually this conservative with his vote? Feels weird that after being vocal questioning others and providing reads, he hasn't thrown his vote around to push a lynch or prod.

I believe so, yes.

[Sloonei]

ISOcream, JJJ

Improper usage of the word "literally" is literally the point of that tendency. I won't say that it is a clever or interesting thing for people to do so, but to render *corrections* is to miss the social queues underlying the trend. The appeal is drawn from that inaccuracy: even when something is not a literal truth, proclaiming that it is a literal truth anyway adds emphasis and levity.

sprityo is bad. I'll see you gang tomorrow.

Dips his toes in the Literally Pond, and also pokes sprityo with a stick.

sprityo is good.

Elohcin is bad. Her most recent post is a token "look involved" post. Asking the guy who merely checked in what his thoughts are is futile. [VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Withdraws the poking stick and hits Eloh with it instead. His vote would stay here and we'd flop lazily onto an Elohcin lynch Day 1. This isn't a strong vote at all and I would have liked to see better, but I don't not believe it.

Here I am forgetting about EODs. I am a 19-year veteran former all-star riding the bench to provide "veteran leadership"

This is his explanation for the lazy vote. Again, I don't not believe it. But that doesn't prevent me from not liking it. [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] were you planning on changing your vote? If you could re-cast your Day 1 vote with a fresh poll, where would it go?

WaywardSon is obvious mafia. Spacedaisy is nothing which is bad as far as I care.

Epi good. Sloonei good. Menace good. nutella good. sprityo good. G-Man good. reywaS good.

There I solved the game. Back to football.

Reads aplenty. We've all taken turns talking about WaywardVaseline by now and I think there's some meat on that bone ice cream on that cone. I can see or infer the reason for most of these reads. MafiaMenace and nutella are the two I'm least clear about. @Jay: Why those two town reads?

The next series of posts represent the heaviest workload from this tired, washed up hack. His sprityo and WaywardSon reads mirror my own, which is usually a positive sign for Jay. This is the first time I've ever been able to ISO Jay in under an hour, but the result is still a town read. Our thoughts align in several places and I have no trouble believing that he's just preoccupied and not giving this game his full attention. There are fewer posts than normal, but the ones that do exist seem right.

[nutella]

Damn Jay's analysis of Epi is really compelling. I agree there are parts that don't sound natural for him.

[Sloonei]

im here for like 30 min
catching up

im putting catching up on hold
half an hour isnt enough time

Sandwiched between these posts are two responses to my questions about mafia background. As others have pointed out, these posts are 6 minutes apart. There weren't many posts in the thread at the time (literally nothing) so it catches my attention when he says he's not able to get caught up on all that nothingness (#downwithketchup, fwiw). But the best argument I can come up with for why this would make MafiaMenace bad is that he's over-conscious of his image here, and wants us to see that he's trying to be involved, hence the announcement(s). I don't think that's a wildly stirring argument, but I won't dismiss it either. Not knowing his usual style or culture complicates things.

its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up

He makes a few posts in this vein early on. I lean towards liking it. It's his first game here and he's not afraid to get his hands dirty and paint himself as an oppositional force on Day 1. An argument I could see against MafiaMenace here would be that he has a seasoned Syndicate veteran for a partner, and they're encouraging him to strut his stuff behind the scenes. Or he's just a confident baddie. Who knows? I'm going with the simpler answer for now. +1 townie point.

And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

Trying to read a bunch of new people in a new environment is a headache. MafiaMenace went through the usual baptism into Syndicate culture by tumbling with Epi and came out reading him as town. I like it, regardless of whether or not I agree with it.
I think their semantics argument (about "trustworthiness") would also indicate against a teammate pairing. It doesn't strike me as likely that they'd orchestrate a fabricated disagreement like that on Day 1 of MafiaMenace's first game here. It would take an awful lot of trust in one another, and that sort of thing doesn't just emerge spontaneously.

nutella -

Spoiler: show

- wasted time by making an argument off of the word 'literally'

[VOTE: g-man] aubergine That is bullshit and you know it

Mister "I-read-the-entire-dictionary" over here calling someone out for using a sense of a word that is literally in the dictionary. How much faker can it get??

- backpedal's by asking if she was overreacting, minimising the consequences

[VOTE: g-man] aubergine That is bullshit and you know it

Mister "I-read-the-entire-dictionary" over here calling someone out for using a sense of a word that is literally in the dictionary. How much faker can it get??

LOL, I was busting his balls after all the over-analyzing he did at the beginning of A World Asunder. I was fishing for a reaction out of Sloonei but you gave me something even better to analyze.

So, would baddie nutella:

A) try to capitalize on the first person to throw shade for flimsy reasons in an attempt to start an early mislynch train?

B) attempt to buddy an oftentimes supertown Sloonei to get in his good graces while also setting him up to look bad if she were to flip mafia based on her swift rush to defend him?

C) both A and B?


Would civvie nutella:

A) be prone to such a swift overreaction to a fishing attempt (that didn’t even result in a vote) based on her background in linguistics?

B) have a cooler, more level-headed approach to Day 1?

Do you think I'm overreacting? I spotted what I determined to be a fake opinion and called it out. Turns out it was intentionally fake. So I wasn't entirely wrong, but I do tend to trust my first instincts and respond accordingly, then allow room to reevaluate.


And no, I'm not bad nor trying to buddy sloonei. I think he has made a decent entrance but I am not giving him any kind of pass.

- shade

I don't think @MafiaMenace has checked in but has @WaywardSon explained his vote?

I don't think @MafiaMenace has checked in but has @WaywardSon explained his vote?

On MM? He's only one I have played with.

Is... is that your reason?

my only scumread rn
do what you want with it if i die

ISOs nutella and comes out with a scum read. I like it again, even if I still don't agree. I still plan on ISOing nutella myself, but nothing about her Day 1 play alarmed me. She's usually one to hurl accusations around and make a wonderful mess on Day 1. Her argument against G-man and the word "literally" was originally relevant to the game and I don't fault her for it. But I also don't fault MafiaMenace for picking her out as his first scum read here.

Has beef with G-man's town read on reywas. Not unreasonable, though I'm usually first in line to defend people who choose to post with limitations or gimmicks. I don't know what MafiaMenace's experience is with people who choose to post entirely in Kanye gifs is, but it's probably not extensive.

right now im townreading epi, but both epi and nutella created the whole "literally" debate

so i would like to say there can only be one scum in {nutella, epi}
if nutella flips civi then the next one from there would be epi

I tend to disagree with this sort of "either/or" reasoning, especially early in games. Why can't Epi and nutella have been two civilians arguing with each other? I think it's dangerous to line up lynches/suspicions like this.
However, I don't read this as MafiaMenace being bad. Just a philosophical difference.

And that just about sums up most of MafiaMenace's posts. All the points at which I disagree with him seem purely philosophical ("meta is awful", "desperation is bad", etc.). I don't think this reflects a dishonest mindset on his part, just one that comes from a different background than my own. I see where he is coming from in nearly all of his arguments and there seems to be an honest thought progression there.

His reads still seem a bit limited, but that's understandable in a game with all new people to him. As of his most recent post, nutella was still his only scum read. I think he's added a few town reads as well, but I'd still appreciate it if we could get an updated list of reads, [mention]MafiaMenace[/mention].

Town read.

[Sloonei]

Damn Jay's analysis of Epi is really compelling. I agree there are parts that don't sound natural for him.

[Sloonei]

nutella stuff

[VOTE: g-man] aubergine That is bullshit and you know it

First move is to call out G-man for his "literally" read on me. This read to me as Day 1 poo-yogurt flinging on both sides, and that's still the case now.

Would baddie g-man go fishing and then immediately compose a thorough-looking analysis of the first person to react? I could believe so.

She said this, but then why does G-man need to be bad in this scenario? I don't think it's out of character for nutella to entertain a theory like this, but that doesn't stop me from reading it as potentially bad, in a similar vein to what I accused Epi of on Day 1. It seems like it could be an opportunistic push on a vocal townie early in the game. But it also seems a little too opportunistic for that to actually be the case. In my (limited) experience with baddie nutella, I'd expect her to be more cautious than this.

She really doesn't like sprityo's self-vote on Day 1 for some reason. [mention]nutella[/mention] what was your thinking on that? You really went after sprit hard for his self-vote, but I'm not sure I see what you were thinking at the time. Care to explain?

Her justification for her Eloh vote is one that I shared and, while it's not the strongest reason for a vote, it's hard to fault her too much on such a slow Day 1. I don't dislike it.

If you have a theory about Jay is love to hear it but I have no idea what any of your posts have been trying to say so you're not being particularly helpful to solving the game

Calls out kanyewaS for not being helpful enough. Noted.

Anyway Epi and Sloonei both look like their normal selves but that doesn't mean I'm confident they're town. I'm gonna end up tinfoiling sloonei like I always do probably.

So far she has mostly resisted the tinfoil, and as of her most recent post at the time of me beginning this ISO, she's starting to reconsider that Epi read. I'd like to know more about why she saw us both as town on Day 1.

@G-Man I don't know, WS hasn't interacted enough with most players so almost anyone is compatible. Probably not Jay because Jay doesn't hard-bus that hard. I could maybe see WS and Sloonei as w/w since they have been constructing some interactions on this page and I'm not entirely convinced they aren't just theater. On the other hand, he's probably teammates with someone he hasn't interacted with at all, like sprityo or rey.

If any post convinces me that nutella is town, it's this one. This is exactly the kind of tinfoil she usually goes after me for.

Page 2 of nutella's ISO is mostly an ongoing dialogue with MafiaMenace that looks to me like two civilians with different ideas about the game going head-to-head. There's a lot of self-defense, but that's just the nature of the particular conversation. There's also a rainbow list:

You want reads I got reads.



G-Man
MafiaMenace
JaggedJimmyJay
Epignosis
reywaS
Spacedaisy
sprityo
Sloonei
WaywardSon

reywaS and sprityo are in the neutral territory with our absentee space flower. I'd like to know why that is.

The only significant post after this is the one where she acknowledges Jay's theory on Epi. I'd be happy to see that discussion turn into something bigger. What do you like about the analysis, nutella?

Town read, with a few small issues.

[reywaS]

So how about y'all take your votes off me? It makes me feel uneasy

No problem.

Thank you

I won't vote for you today. Get your feet wet. Go.

[VOTE: JJ] aubergine

How wet is that?

Pretty damn moist.

Why do you be so Dr. Evil?

Okay, I'm back up on my grind
You do you and I'm just gon' do mine
You do you cause I'm just gon' be fine

Tell everybody, everybody that you know
Tell everybody that you know
That I don't love you no more
And that's one thing that you know, that you know

I'll never be picture-perfect Beyoncé

I'll never be as laid back as this beat was
I never could see why people reach a
Fake-ass facade that they couldn't keep up
You see how I creeped up?

Let me know if you feel it, man
'Cause everything I'm not made me everything I am

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[nutella]

I don't think I went after sprit that hard, I was mostly really confused and didn't know what to make of it especially when he seemed to imply he meant to vote for the host option.

Still reading your post intermittently while working so bear with me

[Sloonei]

Since we're talking about Epi as a suspect now, I'll bring my case back into the fold. Here's the link.

And here's his response:

I cannot "destabilize" thread activity that doesn't exist. I don't even know what that means.

My arguments regarding language did not distract anybody. I don't have that ability. People are in control of what they want to pay attention to. I also don't have any power to prevent people from voting, and yesterday had four (!) missing votes. People can post what they want. People can ignore me if they want. People can vote where they want.

I didn't do anything to this thread but give it life.

I did not care for this response or his characterization of my case. He acts as though it's impossible for him to have disrupted the thread in any way because the thread was so low on activity. But that's kind of my point. The thread could have used a spark, and when somebody would try to provide one, it seemed to me like Epi would snuff it out. He claims he was "giving the thread life", but I don't feel like that's the case. He played a reactive game on Day 1, and all of those reactions were negative.

There's also this bullshit:

Epi helped turn the thread into an off-topic debate about language. Epi was then antagonistic toward the resumption of gameplay without contributing any fresh reads or opinions himself. Epi is a bowl of chocolate ice cream.

Yeah, well I was at work too.

Epi accuses me of not being active enough towards the end of Day 1. My excuse is that I was at work.
I accuse Epi of posting content that is not constructive or helpful. His excuse is that he was at work.

[nutella]

You misinterpreted my rainbow. The sprit Rey Daisy category is bad lean, not neutral.

[Sloonei]

You misinterpreted my rainbow. The sprit Rey Daisy category is bad lean, not neutral.

The lowest tier of bad, whatevs. Why are they all there?

[Sloonei]

I don't think I went after sprit that hard, I was mostly really confused and didn't know what to make of it especially when he seemed to imply he meant to vote for the host option.

Still reading your post intermittently while working so bear with me

You called it "gross" before asking him all the questions, it gave it a bit of an aggressive vibe.

[nutella]

I don't think I went after sprit that hard, I was mostly really confused and didn't know what to make of it especially when he seemed to imply he meant to vote for the host option.

Still reading your post intermittently while working so bear with me

You called it "gross" before asking him all the questions, it gave it a bit of an aggressive vibe.

Fair, that was before his confusing statements. I thought it might be something he'd do as a baddie going in with low confidence.

To answer your previous question, sprit for this/not providing much in the way of reads, Rey for being unhelpful and vague, Daisy for absence as possible scum by default.

[nutella]

I like your thoughts on epi. I may move my vote there but I felt so sure about ws before he was replaced. I'll wait til nova gives more of an impression and see what I think in a couple hours.

[Sloonei]

It'd be cool if we could have an active end to this day phase. Wouldn't that be cool, you guys?

[nutella]

My main dilemma right now is that if WS/Nova is bad I think you are his most likely teammate, so should I be trusting you on this epi counterwagon?

[Sloonei]

My main dilemma right now is that if WS/Nova is bad I think you are his most likely teammate, so should I be trusting you on this epi counterwagon?

Then trust jay instead.

[G-Man]

Lovely bunch of conundrums facing me today. Decisions, decisions.

[Sloonei]

Lovely bunch of conundrums facing me today. Decisions, decisions.

Let’s talk about them.

[MafiaMenace]

epi is way too helpful and considerate to be scum

hes always willing to change his mind and i cant see that as scum
my ways to read may seem a bit unorthodox to you guys, but they have a good success rate

[novaselinenever]

I like your thoughts on epi. I may move my vote there but I felt so sure about ws before he was replaced. I'll wait til nova gives more of an impression and see what I think in a couple hours.

I think it's bogus that you allegedly felt so sure about ws. Your read of him developed in like an instant, and you were mainly accusing him of fluff. Is that a good enough reason to be sure about someone, let alone a new player to this site?

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

[novaselinenever]

My main dilemma right now is that if WS/Nova is bad I think you are his most likely teammate, so should I be trusting you on this epi counterwagon?

[MafiaMenace]

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

townie way of desperation

[novaselinenever]

My main dilemma right now is that if WS/Nova is bad I think you are his most likely teammate, so should I be trusting you on this epi counterwagon?

Then trust jay instead.

Jay shouldn't be trusted.

[MafiaMenace]

someone be a tie breaker

[MafiaMenace]

My main dilemma right now is that if WS/Nova is bad I think you are his most likely teammate, so should I be trusting you on this epi counterwagon?

Then trust jay instead.

Jay shouldn't be trusted.

jay is on the sidelines a little bit
so i agree slightly

doesnt mean he outright shouldnt be trusted tho

[G-Man]

Lovely bunch of conundrums facing me today. Decisions, decisions.

Let’s talk about them.

Lynching Jay or Nutella feels the most right to me today. The hang-up is that I doubt they’re both bad. That seems too easy.

[nutella]

I like your thoughts on epi. I may move my vote there but I felt so sure about ws before he was replaced. I'll wait til nova gives more of an impression and see what I think in a couple hours.

I think it's bogus that you allegedly felt so sure about ws. Your read of him developed in like an instant, and you were mainly accusing him of fluff. Is that a good enough reason to be sure about someone, let alone a new player to this site?

Based on his utter lack of meaningful content, yeah I felt sure about it. I am feeling less sure with how you have come in swinging now but that could be compensation for a rocky start.

[MafiaMenace]

Lovely bunch of conundrums facing me today. Decisions, decisions.

Let’s talk about them.

Lynching Jay or Nutella feels the most right to me today. The hang-up is that I doubt they’re both bad. That seems too easy.

i agree with that, im getting vibes that there could be a team there but i dont want to push that thought heavily

anyways your votes on epi
did you just forget to change the poll?

[Sloonei]

My main dilemma right now is that if WS/Nova is bad I think you are his most likely teammate, so should I be trusting you on this epi counterwagon?

Then trust jay instead.

Jay shouldn't be trusted.

Why not?