Vanilla Mafia - [MELTED]

[Epignosis]

G-Man- I do not suspect this person. If I had to name one person as a civilian, it's G-Man, because his thought process jives mostly with mine and he's doing the most work (although the bar hasn't been set real high). Would not lynch.

JJJ- I maintain a healthy suspicion of JJJ, as most of the time lynching him requires an act of God. I read his commentary on WaywardSon. It makes sense to me, but I had differing assumptions when I read WaywardSon's posts. I'll get to those at the end since Wayward starts with a W. For right now, I don't have any pressing reason to lynch JJJ unless I am right about Sloonei. Would not lynch.

MafiaMenace- I do not suspect this person. I give passes to new people Day 1 (and rey, who has returned from the dead, resurrected as an "artist" of questionable skill). MafiaMenace has earned an extension of that pass, because I like his stuff. He started out slow, but I can see a progression of thinking that feels natural and indicates sincerity. Would not lynch.

nutella- nutella gives me fits. I never get her right, so take whatever I have to say about her with a grain of salt (or the whole Morton company). I don't agree with G-Man that nutella fell into some trap of over-eagerness. nutella may be a Gullible-Ass Basic BitchTM, but I'm not buying that. Would not lynch.

reywaS- He is God's vessel. His greatest pain in life is that he will never be able to see himself perform live. Would lynch.

Sloonei- I suspect this person the most. Here is why if you missed it. Would lynch.

Spacedaisy- I've got nothing. Would lynch.

sprityo- The guy has 18 posts, and I do not see where this happened. Would lynch.

WaywardSon- As I said, the way JJJ framed WaywardSon's posts makes sense, but I had differing assumptions when I read them. For example:

So the thread isn't locked at night?

I would have thought, were WaywardSon annoyed by Night posting (because he was bad), he would have voiced his question to Colin privately, and not broadcasted it in the thread. I get that doesn't preclude his being mafia, but that was my own view. However, I have not forgotten this:

im here for like 30 min
catching up

3:05pm EST

im putting catching up on hold
half an hour isnt enough time

3:12pm EST

That's seven minutes.

He tried to make it look like he had invested a half an hour in the thread, but had devoted a whopping seven minutes. Maybe where he's from, they don't have timestamps. Would lynch.

This does not sound like a post written by Epignosis, and many of the reads warranted the Russtifinko Color-Coding Method® for their meandering and hedging.

Who wrote it then?

You've colored anything that was stating a fact or observation yellow and called the whole thing meandering and hedging. Cool.

[Epignosis]

Mixing up Menace and WS is fine, though I don't believe you've stated how that error impacts your read on either of them, Epignocchi.

Was that necessary? Slight downgrade to one, slight upgrade to the other.

[Epignosis]

Damn Jay's analysis of Epi is really compelling. I agree there are parts that don't sound natural for him.

Oh? Let's hear what they are and why.

[MafiaMenace]

wait how was that wolfy

i realised in that 7 minutes i did not have enough time to catchup
that half an hour was not enough

[Epignosis]

Since we're talking about Epi as a suspect now, I'll bring my case back into the fold. Here's the link.

And here's his response:

I cannot "destabilize" thread activity that doesn't exist. I don't even know what that means.

My arguments regarding language did not distract anybody. I don't have that ability. People are in control of what they want to pay attention to. I also don't have any power to prevent people from voting, and yesterday had four (!) missing votes. People can post what they want. People can ignore me if they want. People can vote where they want.

I didn't do anything to this thread but give it life.

I did not care for this response or his characterization of my case. He acts as though it's impossible for him to have disrupted the thread in any way because the thread was so low on activity. But that's kind of my point. The thread could have used a spark, and when somebody would try to provide one, it seemed to me like Epi would snuff it out. He claims he was "giving the thread life", but I don't feel like that's the case. He played a reactive game on Day 1, and all of those reactions were negative.

There's also this bullshit:

Epi helped turn the thread into an off-topic debate about language. Epi was then antagonistic toward the resumption of gameplay without contributing any fresh reads or opinions himself. Epi is a bowl of chocolate ice cream.

Yeah, well I was at work too.

Epi accuses me of not being active enough towards the end of Day 1. My excuse is that I was at work.
I accuse Epi of posting content that is not constructive or helpful. His excuse is that he was at work.

[Sloonei]

G-man dropped a silent vote on me after a wacky tinfoil emerged when I was trying to figure things out near the end of a day phase.

I'm having deja vu.

[Epignosis]

Epi's reads are fake. His "helpfulness" is fake. He's fake.

[Epignosis]

epi is way too helpful and considerate to be scum

hes always willing to change his mind and i cant see that as scum
my ways to read may seem a bit unorthodox to you guys, but they have a good success rate

I want that framed and put on a wall somewhere.

[Sloonei]

Epi's reads are fake. His "helpfulness" is fake. He's fake.

I do not know what this gif is supposed to mean, but it's definitely going to haunt me when I try to sleep later.

[Sloonei]

why did i just post it again?

[Epignosis]

wait how was that wolfy

i realised in that 7 minutes i did not have enough time to catchup
that half an hour was not enough

I pay attention to things like that. I have caught mafia before because of discrepancies in time stamps. I think DFaraday was the latest such instance.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You've colored anything that was stating a fact or observation yellow and called the whole thing meandering and hedging. Cool.

The words "but" and "unless" appear a combined five times in that post. It's the kind of thing I would expect you to hate, and it's in your post.

[novaselinenever]

G-man dropped a silent vote on me after a wacky tinfoil emerged when I was trying to figure things out near the end of a day phase.

I'm having deja vu.

From where?

[Epignosis]

You've colored anything that was stating a fact or observation yellow and called the whole thing meandering and hedging. Cool.

The words "but" and "unless" appear a combined five times in that post. It's the kind of thing I would expect you to hate, and it's in your post.

I have no problems with conjunctions. I use them all the time.

[Sloonei]

G-man dropped a silent vote on me after a wacky tinfoil emerged when I was trying to figure things out near the end of a day phase.

I'm having deja vu.

From where?

This exact thing happened in A World Asunder, just a couple weeks ago.

And even more recently I was lynched on Day 2 in the Game of Champions because nutella tinfoiled me to death. Deja vu all over.

[Sloonei]

You've colored anything that was stating a fact or observation yellow and called the whole thing meandering and hedging. Cool.

The words "but" and "unless" appear a combined five times in that post. It's the kind of thing I would expect you to hate, and it's in your post.

I have no problems with conjunctions. I use them all the time.

Why is G-man such a strong town read?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You've colored anything that was stating a fact or observation yellow and called the whole thing meandering and hedging. Cool.

The words "but" and "unless" appear a combined five times in that post. It's the kind of thing I would expect you to hate, and it's in your post.

I have no problems with conjunctions. I use them all the time.

You do have problems with hedging and that’s where those words led.

[Epignosis]

You've colored anything that was stating a fact or observation yellow and called the whole thing meandering and hedging. Cool.

The words "but" and "unless" appear a combined five times in that post. It's the kind of thing I would expect you to hate, and it's in your post.

I have no problems with conjunctions. I use them all the time.

You do have problems with hedging and that’s where those words led.

Nope. That isn't hedging. People can have conflicting thoughts without it being hedging. When I accuse people of hedging, I am accusing them of setting themselves up to be on the "right side" of any lynch no matter how it goes. After each bit of commentary, I said "Would lynch" or "Would not lynch."

[novaselinenever]

G-man dropped a silent vote on me after a wacky tinfoil emerged when I was trying to figure things out near the end of a day phase.

I'm having deja vu.

From where?

This exact thing happened in A World Asunder, just a couple weeks ago.

And even more recently I was lynched on Day 2 in the Game of Champions because nutella tinfoiled me to death. Deja vu all over.

Appealing to history. Not a good look

[Sloonei]

G-man dropped a silent vote on me after a wacky tinfoil emerged when I was trying to figure things out near the end of a day phase.

I'm having deja vu.

From where?

This exact thing happened in A World Asunder, just a couple weeks ago.

And even more recently I was lynched on Day 2 in the Game of Champions because nutella tinfoiled me to death. Deja vu all over.

Appealing to history. Not a good look

Opportunism. Not a good look.

Have you read things yet?

[novaselinenever]

G-man dropped a silent vote on me after a wacky tinfoil emerged when I was trying to figure things out near the end of a day phase.

I'm having deja vu.

From where?

This exact thing happened in A World Asunder, just a couple weeks ago.

And even more recently I was lynched on Day 2 in the Game of Champions because nutella tinfoiled me to death. Deja vu all over.

Appealing to history. Not a good look

Opportunism. Not a good look.

Have you read things yet?

I have read everything.

[Sloonei]

Appeal to history is a logical fallacy wherein a person assumes a particular outcome based on unrelated past events.

I am making no assumptions. The subject here is my alignment in this game. I know what my alignment is.

[sprityo]

-SNIP-

Yeah, Uh

this thread of posts looks poop

like I side with MM on this one. I dont see nutella's side at all

also:

Spoiler: show

ugh id rather it be nutella
but i do think there is one scum between them
and if nova has to be lynched so nutella can be then so be it

My vote isn't permanent.

Talk to me about nutella. I'm always wrong about her. Maybe I can be right for once.

im gonna go over my case again, hopefully expand it more if it wasnt strong enough
if you can, please respond to each point

- many of nutellas posts do not come across as genuine at all
the tone behind them feels way too fake

a few posts here will be overlap with the shady posts of hers ive mentioned

Spoiler: show

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 66#p509066
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 68#p509068
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 81#p509081
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p509280
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 64#p509464
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p509884
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 85#p509885
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 90#p509890
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p510052
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 79#p510079

- nutella needlessly started an argument and wasted time about the word literally

- backpedalling

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 77#p509077

- shade (mostly overlapped with the other links, but for the sake of organisation)

Spoiler: show

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p509080
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 81#p509081
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 36#p509236
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 85#p509885
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p510052

im sure if i hadnt brought nutella into the light they wouldve stuck to the sidelines for the rest of the game, going unnoticed

I agree with him on nutella throwing shade but the backpedaling post he linked and all the other ones labeled "starting arguments" I'm not seeing. It's enough for me to suspect nutella, but maybe im just not seeing what you are since it's just a bunch of posts with a general descriptor. I'm not even gone bring up literally cause nutella wasn't the only one on a useless tangent on that.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[Sloonei]

G-man dropped a silent vote on me after a wacky tinfoil emerged when I was trying to figure things out near the end of a day phase.

I'm having deja vu.

From where?

This exact thing happened in A World Asunder, just a couple weeks ago.

And even more recently I was lynched on Day 2 in the Game of Champions because nutella tinfoiled me to death. Deja vu all over.

Appealing to history. Not a good look

Opportunism. Not a good look.

Have you read things yet?

I have read everything.

Cool. What reads have you got?

[nutella]

G-man dropped a silent vote on me after a wacky tinfoil emerged when I was trying to figure things out near the end of a day phase.

I'm having deja vu.

From where?

This exact thing happened in A World Asunder, just a couple weeks ago.

And even more recently I was lynched on Day 2 in the Game of Champions because nutella tinfoiled me to death. Deja vu all over.

Appealing to history. Not a good look

Opportunism. Not a good look.

Have you read things yet?

I have read everything.

Yay more teammate banter/distancing

[Sloonei]

nutella is almost as bad a lynch as me. These are both very bad bandwagons.

[Sloonei]

Epi is my top choice. nova remains my second choice, especially if he doesn't give us any reads.

[novaselinenever]

G-man dropped a silent vote on me after a wacky tinfoil emerged when I was trying to figure things out near the end of a day phase.

I'm having deja vu.

From where?

This exact thing happened in A World Asunder, just a couple weeks ago.

And even more recently I was lynched on Day 2 in the Game of Champions because nutella tinfoiled me to death. Deja vu all over.

Appealing to history. Not a good look

Opportunism. Not a good look.

Have you read things yet?

I have read everything.

Cool. What reads have you got?

MM, Epi and Reywas are good.

I wasn't very fond you early on. The constant questioning with very little follow up and connection. Felt like you were trying to replicate your Town meta hard but failing. That changed though with the isos you did today. I didn't agree with some of your conclusion (Jay, nutella), but I could see where your train of thoughts and you read genuine.

Nutella is bad. Jay is bad.

[novaselinenever]

Epi is my top choice. nova remains my second choice, especially if he doesn't give us any reads.

You just asked me though. Why are you putting it as a conditional?

[novaselinenever]

G-man dropped a silent vote on me after a wacky tinfoil emerged when I was trying to figure things out near the end of a day phase.

I'm having deja vu.

From where?

This exact thing happened in A World Asunder, just a couple weeks ago.

And even more recently I was lynched on Day 2 in the Game of Champions because nutella tinfoiled me to death. Deja vu all over.

Appealing to history. Not a good look

Opportunism. Not a good look.

Have you read things yet?

I have read everything.

Yay more teammate banter/distancing

[Sloonei]

MM, Epi and Reywas are good.

I wasn't very fond you early on. The constant questioning with very little follow up and connection. Felt like you were trying to replicate your Town meta hard but failing. That changed though with the isos you did today. I didn't agree with some of your conclusion (Jay, nutella), but I could see where your train of thoughts and you read genuine.

Nutella is bad. Jay is bad.

Why @ all of these things?

[Sloonei]

Epi is my top choice. nova remains my second choice, especially if he doesn't give us any reads.

You just asked me though. Why are you putting it as a conditional?

Because you hesitated the first time. And the only detailed read you just gave was on me. I was sandwiched between a bunch of nondescript labels for people. Why is that?

[novaselinenever]

Epi is my top choice. nova remains my second choice, especially if he doesn't give us any reads.

You just asked me though. Why are you putting it as a conditional?

Because you hesitated the first time. And the only detailed read you just gave was on me. I was sandwiched between a bunch of nondescript labels for people. Why is that?

When did I hesitate? Because I'm interacting with you.

[novaselinenever]

I'll expand on the rest in a few

[novaselinenever]

Forgot about Gman

[Sloonei]

Epi is my top choice. nova remains my second choice, especially if he doesn't give us any reads.

You just asked me though. Why are you putting it as a conditional?

Because you hesitated the first time. And the only detailed read you just gave was on me. I was sandwiched between a bunch of nondescript labels for people. Why is that?

When did I hesitate? Because I'm interacting with you.

Right here

[novaselinenever]

How exactly is that hesitation? You asked, I answered. You asked "have you read things yet" as in if I caught up.

[Sloonei]

How exactly is that hesitation? You asked, I answered. You asked "have you read things yet" as in if I caught up.

Yes, you could have taken the opportunity to tell us what you thought while reading. Instead you waited to be specifically prompted.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rainbow of the prevailing wagons:

Sloonei
nutella

[novaselinenever]

How exactly is that hesitation? You asked, I answered. You asked "have you read things yet" as in if I caught up.

Yes, you could have taken the opportunity to tell us what you thought while reading. Instead you waited to be specifically prompted.

Still no hesitation.

[Sloonei]

We got ~70 minutes to go and two bandwagons that should not exist are tied for the lead. Y'all better get in here and mix things up.

[novaselinenever]

I don't like sprit's vote on Nutella

[novaselinenever]

Meat-slab?

[Sloonei]

How exactly is that hesitation? You asked, I answered. You asked "have you read things yet" as in if I caught up.

Yes, you could have taken the opportunity to tell us what you thought while reading. Instead you waited to be specifically prompted.

Still no hesitation.

I'm gonna continue to call it that for now.

I'm more interested in the explanations for your reads though.

[Sloonei]

I don't like sprit's vote on Nutella

why not?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Only beef with nutella is that her Sloonei suspicion looked a bit fake

[Sloonei]

Only beef with nutella is that her Sloonei suspicion looked a bit fake

It might be, but if it is it'd just be as a fulfillment of her meta. She's done this in all the games we've played together recently.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei is subject to some of the most inexplicable lynches I ever see with a frequency that is bizarre. This would be another example. People are terrible at reading him.

[G-Man]

Likelihood of Spacedaisy voting: probably zero.

[mention]reywaS[/mention]- want to run through some Gun To Head reads?

[novaselinenever]

I don't like sprit's vote on Nutella

why not?

It came out of nowhere. He's coasting on MM's suspicion and interactions with her, but as the same time backpedalling on several points that MM is holding against her.