Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Epignosis]

I prefer lynching Nanook over JJJ in case that isn't clear.

[juliets]

I'm still sorting these people (caveat: I haven't read through everything that happened while we were gone. Maybe there is some definitive behavior there that will change my mind.) Also, being away from this thread made some things fade. I'm usually constantly reviewing posts through ISO's or reading back.

Epi - I'm afraid that even if I do read him I will still feel up in the air about him. I have spotted civ Epi in a couple of games prior to this one but he seems busier in rl now so there is less for me to see. He voted speed, Radishes and then Mac though so that is a gl for him. I would read him next but I think Nanook is more of a priority.

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] - I have waffled on Colin, at one point finding him good and another point finding him bad. I need to see what he did while I was in dream level and see if I can sort him from that. Voted Radish and sig.

[mention]G-Man[/mention] Man - I hate having G-Man in this group. I thought he was bad, then I thought he was good and continued thinking that in dream level where he was helpful color coding the vote analysis. However, when I was reading through Turnip I saw a Dom post that warned we need to be careful on him, and S~V~S who says she knows his game ended up thinking he was disingenuous (at least that's what I remember). That's two old school-with-us people who's game's I respect sounding a warning bell. It would help me to know what [mention]Dom[/mention] and [mention]S~V~S[/mention] are thinking now that they've seen more behavior.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] - I just haven't read him closely enough lately to have an opinion. I read him early on in the game and wasn't inspired. I haven't read him lately though so I don't want to label him suspicious for an early game read.

There's a lot to do to sort these players and I won't get it all done immediately. If anyone has a suggestion on who to prioritize based on the split thread happenings I am all ears.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I need more from everyone who wasn’t on this thread yesterday.

What do you need Jack? I will eat dinner first but tell me what you are looking for.

All the reads. All the world building. Who do you view as clear of being on each mafia?

I've never been sure what world building means (sounds like maybe a gamer term) but I'll walk through what I'm thinking about people after dinner.

Like I suspect players 1, 2, 3 and 4. I don’t think players 1, 2 and 3 are teamed. So in a world where 3 and 4 are mafia...the third wolf is...maybe player 5.

Stuff like that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If God loved us, he'd have struck down anybody who came up with DST. I'm here. I'm almost current.

Here here.

[juliets]

I'll have to do that kind of thing in the morning [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]. I had a long day at work and have been on here ever since I got home except to eat. I'll have some time because I don't work tomorrow.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think the only person I can totally and completely clear is @Dom . He suspected both Mac and sig and I can't read that blue color on the vote pictures but I think he voted Mac and then sig. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I have some other people I think are civ but it's hard to totally clear anyone of being bad without info.

In my "I think they are town but can't completely clear them" would be @JaggedJimmyJay, @Sloonei, @Jackofhearts2005. Jay and Sloonei have done a lot of analysis work and Jay in particular I find myself shaking my head "yes" at a lot of his posts (I wanted to try and pull some out tonight.) Jackofhearts because his turnaround on nutella had good progression and he's been a thread driver and I didn't notice bad Jack doing that in Inception. All three of these have just voted on one side of the aisle which is why I don't feel like I can clear them.

Then there are people that I lean town on for something they've done recently and that would be @speedchuck and @Michelle.

I pointed out earlier that speed made that offhand comment in our dream thread saying "why are the lynching sig - I wish I could be there" (paraphrase). It was a throw away comment but I when I back here and saw sprityo's flip it was the first thing I thought about. It seemed genuine in response to Saito's info. He voted Mac Day 2 and sig Day 3.

Michelle really showed her feisty, poking, prodding civ behavior when we were at the dream level, even if it was aimed at me. Prior to that I had suspicions about her. I hope to see more of that Michelle now that we're back in the big thread to confirm my feeling about her. She voted for Turnip Day 2 and Mac Day 3 so chances are if she's bad she's on the Radish-sig-sabie team.

I'm going to go ahead and post this even though it doesn't talk about everyone because I'm so slow. I have a number of people in my "still sorting" pile.

Aside from Colin, you are townreading the entire Sig wagon?

You think when Sig was damn near buried and a metric fuckton of players collectively shrugged at the Mac case and voted Sig, that no wolves were among those players except maybe Colin?

Cause Mac had 3 teammates. I think there was more than one wolf who voted Sig. Is have an easier time believing three wolves on that wagon than one.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It’s so easy for master wolves to vote Sig. The case was good. His flip would buy cred. Even if Mac gets lynched, you can be like “I voted for a wolf. I voted for the most convincing case.”

[Dom]

The Monitor - You cannot be nightkilled by regular means. By the end of Day 1, you will choose two players to be Harbinger and Pariah. They will know who you are.

If Harbinger is alive, and has not been found by the Anti-Monitor at the start of Day 6, she will choose one player to resurrect.

If this happens I recommend nutella.

Suppose the Harbinger is mafia.

Then the Monitor, who I think is alive, can go ballistic.

Dizzy is the monitor, known by a mafia member harbinger and killed and janitored day 2 for precisely that purpose

I doubt this is true.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Aside from Colin, you are townreading the entire Sig wagon?

You think when Sig was damn near buried and a metric fuckton of players collectively shrugged at the Mac case and voted Sig, that no wolves were among those players except maybe Colin?

Cause Mac had 3 teammates. I think there was more than one wolf who voted Sig. Is have an easier time believing three wolves on that wagon than one.

Knowing this website, I think that's entirely believable -- one or even zero on sig. I would bet considerable bucks that at least one Mac teammate voted FOR Mac, and perhaps more than that.

This is The Syndicate.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The idea that Jay, Sloonei and Juliets are all town and we’re voting exactly where wolves should be voting D3 and they’re all alive D5 is nonsense.

Case each other. You’re not all town. I know it. The wolves among you damn well know it and any townies among you should know it too.

Linki: Pull the other one, furball.

[Dom]

Aside from Colin, you are townreading the entire Sig wagon?

You think when Sig was damn near buried and a metric fuckton of players collectively shrugged at the Mac case and voted Sig, that no wolves were among those players except maybe Colin?

Cause Mac had 3 teammates. I think there was more than one wolf who voted Sig. Is have an easier time believing three wolves on that wagon than one.

Knowing this website, I think that's entirely believable -- one or even zero on sig. I would bet considerable bucks that at least one Mac teammate voted FOR Mac, and perhaps more than that.

This is The Syndicate.

remind me who you voted for

[Jackofhearts2005]

If my phone would stop autocorrecting “were” to “we’re” and making me look like I don’t understand how apostrophes work, that would be swell.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Day 3 sig wagon relative to Mac team connection:

ColinIsCool - could be
S~V~S - confirmed nope
Sloonei - doubt it
Dom - strongly doubt it
speedchuck - could be
nutella - confirmed nope
JJJ - confirmed nope
juliets - strongly doubt it

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Aside from Colin, you are townreading the entire Sig wagon?

You think when Sig was damn near buried and a metric fuckton of players collectively shrugged at the Mac case and voted Sig, that no wolves were among those players except maybe Colin?

Cause Mac had 3 teammates. I think there was more than one wolf who voted Sig. Is have an easier time believing three wolves on that wagon than one.

Knowing this website, I think that's entirely believable -- one or even zero on sig. I would bet considerable bucks that at least one Mac teammate voted FOR Mac, and perhaps more than that.

This is The Syndicate.

remind me who you voted for

I voted sig Day 3.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Day 3 sig wagon relative to Mac team connection:

ColinIsCool - could be
S~V~S - confirmed nope
Sloonei - doubt it
Dom - strongly doubt it
speedchuck - could be
nutella - confirmed nope
JJJ - confirmed nope
juliets - strongly doubt it

Insanity.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Day 3 sig wagon relative to Mac team connection:

ColinIsCool - could be
S~V~S - confirmed nope
Sloonei - doubt it
Dom - strongly doubt it
speedchuck - could be
nutella - confirmed nope
JJJ - confirmed nope
juliets - strongly doubt it

Insanity.

Experience.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Day 3 sig wagon relative to Mac team connection:

ColinIsCool - could be
S~V~S - confirmed nope
Sloonei - doubt it
Dom - strongly doubt it
speedchuck - could be
nutella - confirmed nope
JJJ - confirmed nope
juliets - strongly doubt it

Insanity.

Experience.

I’m best wolf and I’d always have voted Sig exactly like you and Juliets did. Unless I had distanced a bunch from Mac, in which case, I’d do it like Sloonei did.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m best wolf and I’d always have voted Sig exactly like you and Juliets did. Unless I had distanced a bunch from Mac, in which case, I’d do it like Sloonei did.

I don't care what you think you'd do. You're not on that list. You're not those people. You're irrelevant.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If I had a hat that said “best wolf,” people would just think I was a furry.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m best wolf and I’d always have voted Sig exactly like you and Juliets did. Unless I had distanced a bunch from Mac, in which case, I’d do it like Sloonei did.

I don't care what you think you'd do. You're not on that list. You're not those people. You're irrelevant.

I’m gonna split you open and take all the grannies out of you.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I find it hard to believe there were zero mac teammates on the Mac wagon tbh

At a guess I’d say 2/1 or 1/1/1 Sig/mac/off both, respectively

You guys bus more than greyhound

[Dom]

Jack, I'm fairly sure you're wrong about juliets.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack, I'm fairly sure you're wrong about juliets.

I’m not saying Juliets isn’t town.

I’m saying Jay, Sloonei and Juliets are not all town.

Pay attention.

[Dom]

I agree with that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I know bussing is a thing. Sig’s wagon is just the fucking easier juiciest excuse to not bus I have ever seen and sooo many players were “simply uninterested” in the Mac case.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Instead of A) helping lynch Mac or B) voting on the counterwagon from which all these accusations are sure to spring, Turnip Head placed a meaningless vote for Jack on Day 3.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I know bussing is a thing. Sig’s wagon is just the fucking easier juiciest excuse to not bus I have ever seen and sooo many players were “simply uninterested” in the Mac case.

You're doing that thing you do where everything has to be optimal and make sense to you

[Jackofhearts2005]

I know bussing is a thing. Sig’s wagon is just the fucking easier juiciest excuse to not bus I have ever seen and sooo many players were “simply uninterested” in the Mac case.

You're doing that thing you do where everything has to be optimal and make sense to you

Working out for me so far.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Instead of A) helping lynch Mac or B) voting on the counterwagon from which all these accusations are sure to spring, Turnip Head placed a meaningless vote for Jack on Day 3.

Well yeah but then this jagged wolf came round and tried to eat him.

[Dom]

[mention]tedxtr[/mention]
You voted G-Man day 2.

What's up with that?

[G-Man]

Jack, I'm fairly sure you're wrong about juliets.

I’m not saying Juliets isn’t town.

I’m saying Jay, Sloonei and Juliets are not all town.

Pay attention.

Oh neat- I tried to make the same argument in dreamland but it didn’t take. But hey, I’m just a pleb, unlike you, so batter up, mate.

[Epignosis]

I agree with that.

Agreed also.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

You are mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Something comes to mind. In a world where people want to save Mac, the Day 2 lynch is the more interesting one. Mac led by at least three votes late before he was overtaken by a quick Radish push. I’ll look at it later.

[Epignosis]

Something comes to mind. In a world where people want to save Mac, the Day 2 lynch is the more interesting one. Mac led by at least three votes late before he was overtaken by a quick Radish push. I’ll look at it later.

That came to mind?

Nobody wanted to save Mac. Mac was doomed.

[speedchuck]

I scumread everyone with a vote right now. Ahhhhhh multiball.

[Dom]

Nanook doesn't meaningfully engage with sig until Night 2:

A question: if we all know what a derp looks like, and we all could reasonably emulate it, why don’t you see it more often? I can’t remember the last time scum town cleated themself with something like that.
The only possible example in this game is Sig going after Radish for saying baddie. Sig might have been right. Ironically, because he might have been right, I need to re-examine Sig.

Yea maybe listen to sigs wild theories next time and we could've lynched scum day 1.

Uh listening to you D1 wouldve TKed me, so....pass

While this gets a playful tongue face, it's worth remembering that Nanook had a different role Day 1.

To be clear I don’t super care about sig’s theory, but nothing between yesterday and today made me think “oh mac isn’t mafia”

These are two independent trains of thought regardless.

To be clear I support a Mac TK and still think he’s >rand scum

Just don’t think he’s scum on the team I’m prioritizing today

SVS and tranq are also votes I’m happy with. Maybe even Dom, though he seems kinda different than what I remember from being his teammate.

I don't get this. "To be clear" (again, because Nanook must be aware that in some respect he isn't being clear), Mac should die but not "today." Which team were you prioritizing and why? And why were prioritizing teams?

And is that "player salad" I detect? "Mac is bad, but Mac isn't on the team I want to lynch, but maybe lynch Dom."

Folks, this is mafia.

I mean I guess if I squint I can see sig making a bad “slip” read to get pushback (thus discouraging cases against radish) then tying me and radish together and pushing me over him based on me defending him...

Idk I guess I could see it as a stretch but I would TK so many people over him today

This is making excuses for sig instead of making sig explain himself.

Uh sig isn’t gonna die today, lol. There are at minimum 4 better choices

And I’m saying that as someone who had him as my second blow up choice lol

"There are at minimum 4 better choices (shrug)" (but I'm not going to name any of them).

++++

I'm stopping there.

Lynch Nanook.

I'm browsing the thread again and this is a good post.

[G-Man]

I scumread everyone with a vote right now. Ahhhhhh multiball.

Ok, why does multiball matter when you suspect everyone with a vote? In the purest sense, it’s still an either-or, black-white, good-bad situation if you are a civvie. This feels like it’s for show.

[Dom]

Something comes to mind. In a world where people want to save Mac, the Day 2 lynch is the more interesting one. Mac led by at least three votes late before he was overtaken by a quick Radish push. I’ll look at it later.

uhh.... you?

I scumread everyone with a vote right now. Ahhhhhh multiball.

i'm bored with this take.

[Epignosis]

Well, I assume sig is dying, which is fine, but I don't think that's the smartest play. I'm not around much to cause a bit of noise, but oh well

[Dom]

I mix it up.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

[Epignosis]

I mix it up.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Reckon we're all sig's teammates.

[Dom]

[mention]G-Man[/mention]

What's your headspace?

[Dom]

I mix it up.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Reckon we're all sig's teammates.

get back in the chat bruh

[Epignosis]

I mix it up.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Reckon we're all sig's teammates.

get back in the chat bruh

Gotme

[Epignosis]

JJJ lynch before sig. Do it.

[G-Man]

@G-Man

What's your headspace?

Outside of Day 4, I am still trying to tread water. I’ve been trying to catch up, but today of all days has made that difficult. I feel like the colorized vote post that I made and my reflections on our Day 4 mini-thread were overlooked at best because my name isn’t Jay, Sloonei, Jack, Ted, or Nanook.

[Dom]

@G-Man

What's your headspace?

Outside of Day 4, I am still trying to tread water. I’ve been trying to catch up, but today of all days has made that difficult. I feel like the colorized vote post that I made and my reflections on our Day 4 mini-thread were overlooked at best because my name isn’t Jay, Sloonei, Jack, Ted, or Nanook.

I may have missed it. You weren't in my thread, were you? Has it been posted in here?

[Epignosis]

I'm going to bed. I'm sorry I don't have much to say, but I'm tired and fuck DST.

[Dom]

I have felt overlooked at times, too G.