Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[TonyStarkPrime]

There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

TH
Colin
Sloonei

Whaddya got on Sloonei?

Elimination. I wasn't able to write Not-Master next to their name.

Tranq suspects Sloonei

[juliets]

Ok, here are my revised reads with speed included (they are in no particular order):

Town
juliets
Jack
Epi
Michelle
Tony
Jay or Speed

Mafia
G-Man
Tranq
ted
speed or Jay

I kinda want to put G-Man in the "speed or Jay" pile but I resisted. I'm still going to read back on what Dom and S~V~S had to say.

[Jackofhearts2005]

RIP Dom, I hate that you are gone.

I'm going to modify - I think it was Jack's statement - a little bit. Dom trusted me but I don't have the same trust in speed as I do in Jack and Epi.

I am most persuaded by Jack's argument that one of Epi or ted (or Jack I guess) must be bad or the main layer from Inception day contained no one who was bad. That just seems impossible to me. I'm going to put a vote on ted now but I'm still listening and digging.

I don’t think that’s necessarily the case.

You trust Epi. And you still trust Jay?

So who else is town?

Jack, are you saying you don't think it's necessarily the case that one of Epi or ted are bad? Or something else?

Town
juliets
Jack
Epi
Michelle
Tony or Jay

3P
Sloonei

Mafia
Ted - potential Anti-Monitor
Tranq - Masters
G-Man - Masters
Tony or Jay - Masters

Ugh, I am not wild about this list. I didn't look to see if Tony's play could be as a Master because I did this list from the gut, so I have to check that out. I really want to make he and Jay good. And G-Man, I wish I could remember his play as well as Dom and S~V~S. I will look back on what they said and see if Dom in particular came around on him. Also, there are a couple of things I wish I could say but I don't know if they are against the rules. I'll ask LC.

Yeah, I’m not sure one has to be the Antimonitor.

[G-Man]

Off first glance at everyone’s voting history...


Civvie:
G-Man
Juliets
Michelle
Tony
Epi
Jack

3P:
Sloonei

Team Master:
Jay
Speed
Tranq

Anti-Monitor:
Ted


I’m not married to it based on the Inception day, but I need to review more things. It’s a start.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Mafia:
JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
speedchuck
tedxtr

These are my best guesses. Would be ok with lynching any of them.

Lol I hope this is distancing because of it is, it’s so good. Just a basic “slap my team in the face”distancing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

My gut says if we’re being lead down the wrong path, it’s by Jay and that if someone is putting in the right effort at the right times to avoid lynch, it’s Sloonei.

I have a history of pushing on these players when they’re townies.

I thought Jay was obviously bad the last time I saw him being bad but I was already dead by then. He was pushing bad cases. Idk of the TH one counts. (Frustrating when townies allow themselves to be lynched. We can’t all be me.)

I’m gonna have to do my own isos n shit.

agree on gut. But I think Jay’s recent sorting list seems mostly accurate to how I feel on the rest of the crowd— something that would be WIFOMy but wouldn’t be the case if he were scum.

Tranq is the player that stands way out fromJay’s list and consensus.

Idkwhat it means for Tranq ifJay is a wolf.

[Sloonei]

I’m not indie.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Current living roles are iirc


Town:
Monitor
Agatha
Abed
Deedee
Bill

Wolf
Master
Bari
Serena

Mafia
Antimonitor

Indy
Akechi

[Epignosis]

I'm not lynching Jack or juliets.

I realize that isn't a hot take, but that's where I am coming into this phase.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Derp.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Gottem.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Gth Jay putting Tranq as town is tmi/wifom. Tranq actually looks pretty town on rereview.

[Tranq]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

Town/Indy
Jack
Juliets
Tony
Michelle
Tranq
???
???

Wolf
Jay
???
???

Other wolf
???

To be placed: Sloonei, Speed, Epi, Ted, GMan

[speedchuck]

Current living roles are iirc


Town:
Monitor
Agatha
Abed
Deedee
Bill

Wolf
Master
Bari
Serena

Mafia
Antimonitor

Indy
Akechi

Ten roles. 11 players.

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergineI thought I had already done this.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Town/Indy
Jack
Juliets
Tony
Michelle
Tranq
Epi
???

Wolf
Jay
Sloonei
???

Other wolf
???

To be placed: Speed, Ted, GMan

[Jackofhearts2005]

Current living roles are iirc


Town:
Monitor
Agatha
Abed
Deedee
Bill

Wolf
Master
Bari
Serena

Mafia
Antimonitor

Indy
Akechi

Ten roles. 11 players.

Did I just forget a town role?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Plus whoever Dys was.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Current living roles are iirc


Town:
Monitor
Agatha
Abed
Deedee
Bill

Wolf
Master
Bari
Serena

Mafia
Antimonitor

Indy
Akechi

Ten roles. 11 players.

Did I just forget a town role?

Two. I think vanilla and dedede

[TonyStarkPrime]

We have one janitored role as well.

[speedchuck]

Plus whoever Dys was.

So two townroles possibly you've forgotten.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I thought vanilla died and I put Deedee in.

[juliets]

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] [mention]Tranq[/mention] [mention]speedchuck[/mention]

Could you tell me maybe the top 3 reasons Jay looks bad to you? My town reads are voting for him so I'm paying attention.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sorry, Aja

[speedchuck]

Need five town other than me out of the following.

speedchuck

Jackofhearts2005
juliets
Epignosis

TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle
G-Man

Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

I have negative reads on Michelle that have been assuaged by the meta of not having played her before. I had a positive light of G-man because we were suspected for generally the same reasons early-game, but it doesn't feel concrete now.
I don't recall reading anything from the T's. Maybe because I payed most attention to this game around the time of the split, and regarding feelings during the split.

I'm a definite on Jay and Ted. Sloonei I'm historically bad at reading, but haven't seen something in memory that keeps him out of the bottom.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Epignosis @Jackofhearts2005 @TonyStarkPrime @Tranq @speedchuck

Could you tell me maybe the top 3 reasons Jay looks bad to you? My town reads are voting for him so I'm paying attention.

1) POE
2) Leading us in the wrong direction including opportunistic push on TH when the dream ended
3) Voting like Mac’s teammate
4) Sudden realization of hints about how Dom used his abilities taking someone out of the poe and leaving it with a logical wolfteam including Jay

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Epignosis @Jackofhearts2005 @TonyStarkPrime @Tranq @speedchuck

Could you tell me maybe the top 3 reasons Jay looks bad to you? My town reads are voting for him so I'm paying attention.

1) POE
2) Leading us in the wrong direction including opportunistic push on TH when the dream ended
3) Voting like Mac’s teammate
4) Sudden realization of hints about how Dom used his abilities taking someone out of the poe and leaving it with a logical wolfteam including Jay

And the Ted push is more of the same.

Jay is conducting.

[juliets]

Ok thanks [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]that is helpful.

[Jackofhearts2005]

During the dream day, there was consensus among townies like Dom, myself and probablytown Epi and probably agreed with us Tony that Jay was bad.

He came out of dream day pushing hard on a townie and while I still felt bad about him, I couldn’t express why and what I could express pointed to him being town. I said something like “Okay but if TH is town, Jay is a wolf.” And after we double lynched two townies and I was feeling super unmotivated, Jay was there like “come on let’s lynch the next townie!”

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also for two seconds when I was fighting Jay he was like “maybe you’re the Antimonitor” and that felt really fake.

[Tranq]

@Epignosis @Jackofhearts2005 @TonyStarkPrime @Tranq @speedchuck

Could you tell me maybe the top 3 reasons Jay looks bad to you? My town reads are voting for him so I'm paying attention.

1) Elimination
2) The TH-JJJ fight
3) I don't have a third

[juliets]

@Epignosis @Jackofhearts2005 @TonyStarkPrime @Tranq @speedchuck

Could you tell me maybe the top 3 reasons Jay looks bad to you? My town reads are voting for him so I'm paying attention.

1) Elimination
2) The TH-JJJ fight
3) I don't have a third

Ok thanks Tranq, two is fine.

[juliets]

During the dream day, there was consensus among townies like Dom, myself and probablytown Epi and probably agreed with us Tony that Jay was bad.

He came out of dream day pushing hard on a townie and while I still felt bad about him, I couldn’t express why and what I could express pointed to him being town. I said something like “Okay but if TH is town, Jay is a wolf.” And after we double lynched two townies and I was feeling super unmotivated, Jay was there like “come on let’s lynch the next townie!”

Yes, I think I remember you saying something like that and I understand about your point about coming out of the double lynch. I'm in the process of reconsidering my Jay take, though it is hard, I have believed in him for so long.

[juliets]

Plus whoever Dys was.

I have a bad feeling about Dizzy based on something he said after he died that I can't talk about, unfortunately.

He was killed by the Masters team, and note the Master's description "Each night, you will dose a player with radiation. Any protection that player has, or negative ability that player uses on a member of your team that night, will be nullified, and they will have a 50% chance to lose their ability the next night." That means the Master could have nullified the Anti-Monitor's night protection so the team could kill him.

What keeps me from believing he is the Anti-Monitor though is he's the one that publicized sig's slip and there would be no reason for him to bus sig because he was dead. But, I'm telling you, there is something not kosher about him. I just feel the need to say this as we are considering all these options. Maybe he's the indy which means some of us guessing its Sloonei are wrong (and Sloonei says we are wrong).

I don't want to derail the talk about Jay but this has been nagging at me for several game days and I just want to get it off my chest.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Our tragedy draws to its inevitable conclusion, turbup.

I’m not bad, gang. I’ll do everything I can to figure out who is, and I can only hope the other civilians listen to me. The game may not necessarily hang on this lynch, but it’s close.

[tedxtr]

I actually don't think Jay's a baddie here and I'd much rather end up being stringed than him, I feel like I'm fucking lynch bait at this point and the longer I get to live, the better it is.

Not liking this Jay push in the slightest, I just want G-Man.

It's so painfully obvious to me how the scum are keeping me alive to seal my fate through day play that I kind of want this to end.

I'll probably give a full list of what my reads are, just follow me after I'm dead though. Just don't lynch Jay.

[tedxtr]

the better it is for the scum i meant.

[juliets]

Also, Dizzy can't be the AM because LC would have told us - I think - that the team was gone when we lynched sig. So I probably shouldn't even have included that, and just said I think he must have been the Indy.

[tedxtr]

Admittedly when I open up his ISO I wish imminent death upon myself but just based on him handling me and his cases makes me want to say he's not a wolf here.

[tedxtr]

Although something bothers me which is the fact that he's pinning me for an anti-monitor witch hunt while saying I pay no attention to master team and no world building but he's never pinned me to any actual alleged team mates or anything of that sort.

[tedxtr]

word salad is a thing and I've just invented it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ted, who’s scum?

[G-Man]

Admittedly when I open up his ISO I wish imminent death upon myself but just based on him handling me and his cases makes me want to say he's not a wolf here.

Although something bothers me which is the fact that he's pinning me for an anti-monitor witch hunt while saying I pay no attention to master team and no world building but he's never pinned me to any actual alleged team mates or anything of that sort.

Opaque, these words are. Who are you talking about here, Ted?

[tedxtr]

G-man still, speed still , maybe Jack

jack, did you ever play a scum game with me? pretty sure you did. i mean, a game where i was scum and you town.

p-edit : was talking about J^3

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?

It means that you were named as a suspect but your wagon never gained any momentum.

G-man is a player who is still technically in my POE, but I do not believe he is mafia. He checks all the boxes I want him to be checking. Sabie pushed a little too much against him for me to think he’s the anti-monitor, and he didn’t look compatible with Mac either.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Although something bothers me which is the fact that he's pinning me for an anti-monitor witch hunt while saying I pay no attention to master team and no world building but he's never pinned me to any actual alleged team mates or anything of that sort.

Click

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?

It means that you were named as a suspect but your wagon never gained any momentum.

G-man is a player who is still technically in my POE, but I do not believe he is mafia. He checks all the boxes I want him to be checking. Sabie pushed a little too much against him for me to think he’s the anti-monitor, and he didn’t look compatible with Mac either.

So you're suggesting my scum partners are some masterminds and we set the thread momentum?

This almost never is the case, but I guess I'll take the fearmongering as a compliment and I'll be sending it further to my non-existent FBI corrupt intel division.

[tedxtr]

Although something bothers me which is the fact that he's pinning me for an anti-monitor witch hunt while saying I pay no attention to master team and no world building but he's never pinned me to any actual alleged team mates or anything of that sort.

Click

Was talking about like who was scum other than flipped players.

shouldn't you be like growing weary of people wagonning you if you were town here? you suspect me, don't you think my team would be on you as of right now?

you're so...limp.

that's what I meant by you pinning me to other monitor team scums. the ones that are still alive.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?

It means that you were named as a suspect but your wagon never gained any momentum.

G-man is a player who is still technically in my POE, but I do not believe he is mafia. He checks all the boxes I want him to be checking. Sabie pushed a little too much against him for me to think he’s the anti-monitor, and he didn’t look compatible with Mac either.

So you're suggesting my scum partners are some masterminds and we set the thread momentum?

This almost never is the case, but I guess I'll take the fearmongering as a compliment and I'll be sending it further to my non-existent FBI corrupt intel division.

Wut? We had three people up for a lynch yesterday and not much movement happened outside those three names. Two of them were lynched and were town. I don’t think it’s far-fetched to be wary of people who were potentially viable but never got off the ground.

There’s also process of elimination to consider here. There are a handful of people I’d remove from my poop of Mac-teammate-suspects. You’re not one of them.

[Sloonei]

Jay voters: what team is he on?