Corrupt!? Mafia (ENDGAME)

[MacDougall]

Ah that's very good for Hyena. Thanks.

Hyena and boo can never be last 2 scum. And judging from these 2 points i lean more towards boo than hyena being scum

We're gonna be surprised by the final two one way or another so I wouldn't be so quick to make such absolute statements.

If you were in hyenas shoes would you bus boo?

Given the bullet ends up determined by one single player heavy distancing would be on the menu.

Hyena's reasons feel nuanced and legitimate though. The specific content itself. The act of suspecting your teammate here is imo less risky ergo more beneficial. And I think we can see the evidence of it occurring in that nobody really feels compatible with Dragomir perfectly, nor do any two others make perfect sense.

I am resorting to searching for a lack of sincerity of effort as my primary indicator plus nka. Which is why I arrived at Boo.

Frankly if not for the shot I'd be suspecting Nanook too. He has not felt earnestly like he's solving. More making decisions about who to say is scum or town at any given moment. But that's also my experience with Nanook historically as town.

Which leads me to it's just Boo and Wilgy.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

In general I find TRs more useful, so. I disagree

[MacDougall]

If he can’t handle entirely fair questions/observations...well tbh I don’t really give a fuck.

You can have salient points and still be a dick Nanook. In fact often that's worse.

[Johann]

Ah that's very good for Hyena. Thanks.

Hyena and boo can never be last 2 scum. And judging from these 2 points i lean more towards boo than hyena being scum

We're gonna be surprised by the final two one way or another so I wouldn't be so quick to make such absolute statements.

If you were in hyenas shoes would you bus boo?

Given the bullet ends up determined by one single player heavy distancing would be on the menu.

Hyena's reasons feel nuanced and legitimate though. The specific content itself. The act of suspecting your teammate here is imo less risky ergo more beneficial. And I think we can see the evidence of it occurring in that nobody really feels compatible with Dragomir perfectly, nor do any two others make perfect sense.

I am resorting to searching for a lack of sincerity of effort as my primary indicator plus nka. Which is why I arrived at Boo.

Frankly if not for the shot I'd be suspecting Nanook too. He has not felt earnestly like he's solving. More making decisions about who to say is scum or town at any given moment. But that's also my experience with Nanook historically as town.

Which leads me to it's just Boo and Wilgy.

Here is the problem with that bus

You are basically replacing fire with fire. At that point boo and hyena were suspected and even if one managed to get other killed eventually their scummyness would surface again. Correct thing to do would be to delay and push for someone else. Dragomir was being killed and if they are both scum makes no sense to push for another and then hope other can solo win it.

Hyena was cracking under pressure when pushed to be killed so hyena bussing boo makes no sense cause in that regard boo comes of stronger.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nobody knew drago was getting killed except me

[MacDougall]

I don't think Hyena is scum. I don't need any explanations. His explanations for his suspicion you posted are nearly unfakeable. I was only testing my own town read on him anyway.

It nearly had to just be Boo and Wilgy to me.

[Funnygurl555]

I strongly do not want Johann to have the gun

noted

[Funnygurl555]

Hyena question for you

Why didnt you push for Dragomir despite scum reading him

I only started scumreading Dragomir at the beginning of D2. Two things happened that made me start scumreading him -- 1. Nutella flipped town, and 2. he voted to give Nanook the gun after Nanook said he wouldn't shoot Drago if he received the gun. I feel like I brought up both of these points multiple times throughout D2. That was my push on Dragomir. I wasn't as active on D2 as I was on D1, though, so maybe the volume of my posts (or the lack of it) made it feel like less of a push? Like, I feel like I did push for Drago.

super lit

[Funnygurl555]

mac, why not jack?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think we have two "mislynches" left.

I refuse to take up one of them. Read my posts from today. I'm obviously town.

[Hyena]

What happened to the votes? I'm gonna switch to Johann if people don't move back to Funny.

[Hyena]

Locking shots in during the day is fairly suboptimal imo, let’s not do that

I mean, I get why you're saying this, but I did find scum!Dragomir because I "locked" Nutella as my shot D1. And, it became even more clear when you "locked" Dragomir as NOT your shot D2. :P I think both strategies have their use. Yours definitely got us more info during N2, I think.

[Hyena]

Hell yeah I have, thank you all for not breaking my achy breaky heart.

My current pool is Hyena/Mac/Jack/technically boo cause he won’t play the game, ama

You have an order of preference for these? mine would be Hyena > Jack > Mac > Boo.

I'm just going to take this at face value and say that if Wilgy is scum and listed his partner in those four, Boo is the most likely person to be with him.

[Hyena]

Y'all vote for me. I'll talk about killing Jack or Johann but will probably submit a kill on Hyena.

Doesn't mention Boo here. Probably planned to cast suspicion on to Jack and Johann here to keep them ahead of Boo in the shoot order. Wasn't I the most suspected person at this point in the game? If so, he's just taking advantage of my position in the game by not wanting to talk about me like he does with Jack and Johann.

[Hyena]

As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

Incorrect, because I'm town. :P

Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

Hyena is a bowl of jello, Jack is a pineapple tart, Johann is a slightly disappointing curry, Mac is, of course, an entire chicken in a can, as his signature says.

Lime Jello

Bad answer.

Overreaction to my response, lol.

As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

Duskfall, what's your feel on Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

sounds like you've got a case of stranger danger.

that said, hyena would be on my short list too. i was reviewing the eod events from yesterday. i have an observation to make. Everyone get ready. A thing is about to be observed in this thread.

I'm not a stranger to Hyena. After getting Covid with them, I do believe we share similar methods and processes when it comes to lines of thought.

Johann... maybe lol

*Patiently waits for observations*

No discussion about how I'm different here compared to Corona Virus mafia.

[Hyena]

Oh wait, I'm reading his posts in the wrong order.

[Hyena]

I am supremely uncomfortable with this "towncore." (I know people will say "Jack is just scum for pushing against a correct towncore" but I don't care.)

Nanook just endgame won against an entire town that scumread him. He basically soloed the win after losing one teammate D2 and the other had to be replaced twice and died the phase after the second replacement.

Nutella stepped up her scumgame a lot in the last two, three performances including fooling me (who would normally catch her on D1 or D2) and getting vig killed on like N3 after not being voted for a single time all game).

I am 0 and 3 in reading Dusk.

You might as well add Sloonei to the core if you really want to tilt me.

While I understand the fear that Nanook has implanted, I disagree.

POE and making a vig out of a POE that we agree with seems like the best way to hunt. Unless there's a specific target we voted the vig in place for as boo stated.

Okay, so, I like the feel of this post, but I can't help but notice that he's pushing an idea that Boo apparently also pushed. Suggests again that there could be something going on between those two? With that said, it turned out that initial towncore (me, Nanook, Nutella, Duskfall) was in fact all town, sooo....

[Hyena]

Maybe Wilgy and Jack aren't mafia together?

[Hyena]

FG - Sus -1 -1
Hyena - Sus +1 -1 Ugh Fuck you Hyena
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus
Jack - Cleared
G-man - Sus
Sloonei - Sus
Nutella - Sus
Boo - Seems ok
Wilgy - Null as usual fuck you Wilgy

Lol I can't believe I have the gun this is great.

Lol, thanks Dad.

Run by me why Nanook, Johann, and Jack are clear.

lol, it would be funny if, like, Mac and Wilgy are the last two mafia. I don't think this is the case though? I think this is the first time Wilgy mentioned Mac in his ISO. And he's going against Jack again here.

[Hyena]

I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?

I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.

I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.

I agree with the feel of Jack, but I wouldn't think them to be w/w.

That's two of the people you had previously confirmed. Was there anything other than the above that changed that?

So, if Jack is actually Wilgy's partner, would he push Jack but ALSO defend Johann here? Like, if his partner Jack flipped mafia, he'd WANT people to think Johann could be teamed with him. So, like, I'm pretty confident in saying that Jack and Wilgy are never w/w here.

[Hyena]

Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

Do you have reference to this event?

I agree with you on Mac.

Second mention of Mac, this time agreeing with my Mac townread. In the previous post I quoted where Wilgy was asking about Mac's reads, it kinda felt like Wilgy was treating Mac as town, but I don't recall ever seeing an explicit townread or a reason why before that. I think that Wilgy could either be trying to pocket Mac, or maybe could be partners with him? I dunno.

[Hyena]

Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

Do you have reference to this event?

I agree with you on Mac.

Second mention of Mac, this time agreeing with my Mac townread. In the previous post I quoted where Wilgy was asking about Mac's reads, it kinda felt like Wilgy was treating Mac as town, but I don't recall ever seeing an explicit townread or a reason why before that. I think that Wilgy could either be trying to pocket Mac, or maybe could be partners with him? I dunno.

-- which is weird, because initially in my mind, I thought that Wilgy and Mac were more likely to be v/w based on the dynamics between Jack and Boo. In the case where Jack and Boo are, in fact, v/v, then that might make Wilgy and Mac w/w? Assuming the rest of my towncore is correct? I dunno how I feel about this yet.

[Hyena]

As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

Duskfall, what's your feel on Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

Hmm... he didn't mention Boo here. I don't see how Boo ends up fourth in his shot list from what I've seen so far unless he's just going with the flow and pretending to agree with us that Boo should be in the PoE. He hasn't even given a read on Boo yet it looks like.

[Hyena]

Okay, yeah, that's pretty much his ISO. He mentions Boo very rarely. There's no progression on how he reached Boo being in the PoE unless he's just going with the flow. I don't think Wilgy is with Mac.

[G-Man]

Quick post to vote. I looked through both Funnygurl’s and Johann’s ISOs again. I see Johann’s pursuit if Dragomir. That’s a good look. Still, I can’t get a good feel for the guy. Funnygurl is a little all over the place but I read her more innocently. Call it gender bias if you must.

[VOTE: Funnygurl] aubergine


Help us [mention]Sloonei[/mention]-Wan Kenobi; you’re our only hope!

[Hyena]

More tinfoil time, lol. What if Mac was actually just bullshitting throughout N1 about wanting to and being so close to shooting Jack? What if they're actually mafia partners? If Jack ever did flip mafia, Mac could just go back and point to N1 about how he wanted to shoot Jack but was talked down by other people.

[Hyena]

More tinfoil time, lol. What if Mac was actually just bullshitting throughout N1 about wanting to and being so close to shooting Jack? What if they're actually mafia partners? If Jack ever did flip mafia, Mac could just go back and point to N1 about how he wanted to shoot Jack but was talked down by other people.

And you know what? That is the kind of play that I would expect from Mac, lol. I'm gonna laugh if this is the case.

[Sloonei]

Sloonbot mode activate. Massive post incoming. Beep boop.

Dragomir's interactions with others:

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Johann's self-killing makes perfect sense in the scenario that he presented it in.

Pro-Johan, but only in the context of Johan shooting himself. I'd say this is a good look for the J-man.

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I'm bored with the convo about Johann self-shooting. I'm so bored with it, I refuse to reread it and make reads from it.

Hyena is town. Lock it and throw the key away.

Pro-Hyena, in any context. I've got my eye on the H-dog.

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There are 162 posts and I have 37 of them ~22%), while that’s a terrible baseball record it is a pretty solid yards per carry

What a time to be alive

Hey, you have the most votes on the poll right now. What do you think about those voting for you?

I think they’re very smart and good people!

So GTH they're all town?

Drago is working too hard to get reads out of nanook. Good looky for nooky.

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@MacDougall your Hyena scum read goes against my town read on her. Talk to me about your read.

Hyena seems aright it's just that FG/Hyena feel like teammates. The "oh revenge shoot lol" thing seems like bs. They went on about it too much. If FG flips town I'll probably drop the read entirely.

Oh, so the read on Hyena is dependent on your FG read? If so, what makes FG scum? I'm not feeling that direction atm.

Too soon to tell what's going on in this Mac exchange.

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@Hyena if you get the gun, will you shoot Nutella?

Most likely, yeah.

Good shit. Everyone, give Hyena the gun.

Mafia Drago engaged in a smear campaign to get nutella shot Night 1. If only someone had been here telling people to never shoot nutella. Man, it would be a real shame if such an individual was completely ignored and we ended up shooting nutella Night 1.
My point is: at least one mafia member was actively campaigning to get nutella shot. The mafia team targeted nutella (maybe not individually, but she's clearly a target here for at least one member of the team), and Mac ended up shooting her. These are just facts.

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@Hyena if you get the gun, will you shoot Nutella?

Most likely, yeah.

Good shit. Everyone, give Hyena the gun.

This reads townie independent of Nutella's alignment. Moreso if Hyena is town.

Why? What about that post is good?

This reads like Dragomir trying to score townie points with empty questions. Very slight good look for Jack by proxy.

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I don't really see much AI from funnygurl tbh, as I recall from partially reading AC Mafia she just tends to draw heat a fair bit early?

She got town read like the whole game.

Drago supports the funnygurl paranoia. Noted.

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I like G-man. I'ma put a good read on him.

Got my eye on the G-man.

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I scum read funnygurl specifically because she does not look how she did in Assassin’s Creed.

She was mostly a town read for me in that game. I wavered because of unfamiliarity a few times, but she was never a suspect for any prolonged stretch of time.

I hardly see a difference between current FG and AC mafia FG. Tho, I will say, the game hasn't progressed long enough for me to have a solid conclusion on if the meta matches or not.

I think I am inclined to see this as a favorable look for funnygurl. On the one hand Drago appears to be defending her, but he immediately walks that back. Rather than looking like a player trying not to take a firm stance on a partner, this looks like Mafia Drago is trying to keep a misguided suspicion active without getting his hands dirty.

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Wait, is this all you got against him?

Drago's response to nutella's Day 1 boo suspicion is an indirect defense of boo.

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Nutella is scum, who's with me?

Explain this read, Mr. O'mir.

Let's trade. Give me your reasons on FG, and I'll give you mine on Nut.

Did you ever give yours on Nut? :P

No. I don't think I will. Not feeling it.

This exchange exists, but I'm not sure it tells me anything about Hyena. At least not on the one-sided view. Drago's response is lifeless. If Hyena failed to follow up then it looks like a phony exchange.

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I don't get why we are assuming that the mafia team does not want the gun.

Because being directly responsible for killing a civ is never a good look.

Assuming someone is scum for having a bad read is never a good look.

Not being a good look isn't the same as assuming they're mafia. But if the shooter gets 4 choices to shoot from the thread, and shoots a civ, and then later one (or two) of those 4 turns out to be mafia, that would make re-examining the shooter necessary.

Civ deaths are always an inevitably, but making no effort to mine from those deaths is just wasteful.

Do you mean to reevaluate the player to see why interactions they had with those 2 players that flipped Mafia? If so, what does the player not shooting those mafia have to do with it? Wouldn't you find and read those interactions anyway when you see that a mafia had died regardless of who shot them?

Shooting a civ is almost as NAI as being inactive.

What? This question is way too long-winded.

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So you think nutella specifically doesn’t want the gun D1 as scum.

Why?

She would want it as town, and make a pretty noticeable effort to form a base that townreads her and will vote for her. That lack of any effort at forming a base (and her explanation for it: Hyena and I suspecting her) is suspicious to me. Anyone town should be on a strong offensive, and that's what her offensive in this format is what I think we'd see. It isn't what I'm seeing from her, I'm seeing some posturing offense and way to much of a defensive mindset. It doesn't fit.

I like the mindset here. It makes sense.

I don't think this post needs to exist if boo and drago are partners. Tentative good look for Walter Bishop.

Drago insists on a town read on Duskfall around this point in multiple posts. So he's willing to puff up a civilian. Noted for mindset.

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I was not saying you would do the shooting. I was saying you were setting up getting me getting shot. You don't need the gun to direct where who gets it will aim it. And it's cleaner for mafia to not get it but have a hand in directing it.

And you know all of that, and it's the second time you've blatantly misrepresented what I have said; the first being when my talking about the mechanics was somehow trying to control what other people are doing.

I hope my last post clears this up a little but I am sorry if I've misrepresented you -- I was posting very late last night and was very much not eloquent and having trouble putting my thoughts into words so I think I mis-articulated some things, particularly the idea that you were trying to "impose" anything on anyone. I didn't mean it that way at all, just a looser idea that you were trying to apply your way of thinking to someone else's content in a way that didn't mesh with their original intentions. I'm not trying to say that your approach is wrong, just that it was misapplied to Mac's approach and I originally thought that you were nefariously trying to make him look bad out of nothing, but I can see that you may have legitimately had that interpretation. I don't know. I'm undecided on you now.

And sure, I was trying to push you as a candidate for shooting. But again nothing is set in stone at this point of the phase and now that I'm not screaming that you're "100% scum" I would appreciate the same courtesy. I was pushing my strong read at the time, which is what I believe townies should do. I was not trying to control the narrative in order to ensure a misfire, as you are insisting.

here you go drago

Thanks. Hmm, I would not give Nutella a bad read for that post.

funnygurl and drago are not partners.

I think I should have the gun tbh. I'm the better day 1 player and more likely to hit scum than anyone. Give to me.

I fuck with this.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac is bad.

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@MacDougall do you think Nutella is good or bad?

Drago, why did you move your vote to Mac?

For fun.

Hyena's alignment is ???

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The vote is useless. Nobody's gonna wagon Wilgy, an inactive player with no more than one post, with roughly an hour left in the phase. Especially when the majority of the active players have formulated town cores.

Voting for Wilgy all of a sudden and even trying to get ppl on board is just worthy of an lol.

Now, I'm trying to decide as to what that means concerning Sloonei's alignment, if it has any meaning at all.

Drago, and to a lesser extent Mac and boo, came after me with bullshit after I placed a late-Day 1 vote against Wilgy. I remember it vividly, and I'll call it a good look for boo because it seemed like Drago fed off of his suspicion to justify his own. I think boo is a civilian, and when Drago saw that he had a problem with my vote, it gave Drago the confidence to push against it as well.
I'd also call it a tentative good look for wilgy. Scum drago probably doesn't berate me like this if I'm proposing we give the gun to his teammate, although it's easy to say this whole thing is just for show since no one was ever actually going to vote for wilgy Day 1 no matter what. If we read it that way then Drago's initial stance (calling my vote "the spiciest") might be a hint in that direction. He's testing the waters on the crackpot scheme that would result in his low-hanging partner suddenly becoming the most powerful player in the game for a night.
I'd probably lean toward wilgy being town tho

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Drago, who would you be willing to move your vote to right now?

You.

This might be a good look for Hyena? This doesn't look coordinated or orchestrated. If it is, it's kind of messy.

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Wait, no. I won't vote for you Hyena. Actually, I won't change my vote at all.

Never mind. Or... not never mind? I don't know. Drago ended up voting to give the gun to Mac, so maybe the hesitation here is "Wait no... I want my partner Mac to have the gun!" rather than "Oh whoops, that was way too obvious of an interaction with my partner Hyena, better dial it back."

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Wait, no. I won't vote for you Hyena. Actually, I won't change my vote at all.

WTF

We have 8 minutes left. Voting for you will tie the wagons meaning nobody will get the gun, which is made even worse since I town read both you and Dusk. So I'm just going to leave my vote on Mac. No point in changing.

Yeah at this moment I'd lean toward mac being bad and hyena being town.

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[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why should I trust you?

Why did you vote Nanook first here before asking him why you should trust him?

The reason I ask is that I recall Nanook specifically making this post concerning you --

I wouldn’t shoot FG fwiw, I don’t know what it is but I like her tone

I wouldn’t shoot drago maybe ever

I’d probably shoot hyena tho

-- and I get the feeling you placed your vote on him for that very reason.

Why does it matter which order I do it first?

I didn't even see that post. I came into the thread saying I don't know what to do. Nanook told me to vote for him. Did exactly that.

This pressure looks authentic. Good look for Hyena. Ditto. Not only do Hyena's questions look legitimate, but Drago's responses have a certain annoyed tone that suggest he doesn't want to be talking about these things.

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@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what do you think about shooting Wilgy or FG? Nobody's talking about them.

I doubt either of these two are bad.

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boo and hyena look good. I think funnygurl and wilgy do too, but that's not as solid. I glossed over nanook for the most part because he's the one who shot drago, but the couple of interactions I saw looked good anywhere. Nanook is solidly a town read. There were a couple Johan interactions bookending drago's ISO that I thought both looked good.

mac might be bad. G-man and Jack are the most absent named from this ISO, so they're going to be lumped into the suspect pool as well.

[Hyena]

More tinfoil time, lol. What if Mac was actually just bullshitting throughout N1 about wanting to and being so close to shooting Jack? What if they're actually mafia partners? If Jack ever did flip mafia, Mac could just go back and point to N1 about how he wanted to shoot Jack but was talked down by other people.

And you know what? That is the kind of play that I would expect from Mac, lol. I'm gonna laugh if this is the case.

With that said, how do they plan to get out of the PoE after Boo and Wilgy are gone? They are the only other two in the PoE right now.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?

I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.

I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.

I agree with the feel of Jack, but I wouldn't think them to be w/w.

That's two of the people you had previously confirmed. Was there anything other than the above that changed that?

So, if Jack is actually Wilgy's partner, would he push Jack but ALSO defend Johann here? Like, if his partner Jack flipped mafia, he'd WANT people to think Johann could be teamed with him. So, like, I'm pretty confident in saying that Jack and Wilgy are never w/w here.

Same for me and Boo.

Probably cause I'm just town.

[Funnygurl555]

I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?

I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.

I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.

I agree with the feel of Jack, but I wouldn't think them to be w/w.

That's two of the people you had previously confirmed. Was there anything other than the above that changed that?

So, if Jack is actually Wilgy's partner, would he push Jack but ALSO defend Johann here? Like, if his partner Jack flipped mafia, he'd WANT people to think Johann could be teamed with him. So, like, I'm pretty confident in saying that Jack and Wilgy are never w/w here.

[Funnygurl555]

hyena, i had jack and boo as not w/w as well. and given our options rn, it's likely w/t. so it's interesting that you have another w/t scenario involving jack as well

[Funnygurl555]

also thank you sloonei bot

[Sloonei]

Boo & Drago

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I got my PM and do not care when phases start/end.

Self-killing makes zero sense @Johann.

We should give the gun to someone with a subset of players they're allowed to choose from to shoot.

If they go outside that, they got shot next.

I think it's better then deciding on a specific player because that keeps mafia from being able to control the conversation easily.

And at 13 players, 10/3 split... Assuming the gun always gets used (no ties, but in most cases that should be easy enough to avoid since we can hammer)... We can only afford like 4 gun uses on a civ? One or two more if we get 1 or 2 of the mafia mixed in with that? Right? It's too early for me to be mathing. But it's a general point.

Then once we have a baddie killed, players who had them in their subset but chose not to shoot them can be looked at more in depth. Plus that's a way to try and force the mafia into bussing if they do get the gun.

this is boo's first post and it's basically stating the obvious about how the game works. imo it's fluff

COMPROMISE is what makes this country GREAT, except when it’s MY IDEALS, in which case we must be UNCOMPROMISING in the face of ADVERSITY

something something towncore, something something if I get the gun I'll shoot you, something something casual mention of someone who hasn't even posted but I am saying is either 100% town or mafia. Actually, no. Strike that. They're the secret independent role that isn't stated in the roles. Probably? But I don't know, because reading host posts is apparently for nerds, so I haven't done that.

this is... what the actual fuck is this. this is a scum post 99% of the time it exists.

Wait, is this all you got against him?

Yes, because she's mafia and I'm an easy mis-shot, and she knows it and is going balls to the wall trying to make it happen because if she doesn't I'll be gunning for her until she gets shot and she knows it.

I don't get why we are assuming that the mafia team does not want the gun.

Because being directly responsible for killing a civ is never a good look.

Assuming someone is scum for having a bad read is never a good look.

Not being a good look isn't the same as assuming they're mafia. But if the shooter gets 4 choices to shoot from the thread, and shoots a civ, and then later one (or two) of those 4 turns out to be mafia, that would make re-examining the shooter necessary.

Civ deaths are always an inevitably, but making no effort to mine from those deaths is just wasteful.

Do you mean to reevaluate the player to see why interactions they had with those 2 players that flipped Mafia? If so, what does the player not shooting those mafia have to do with it? Wouldn't you find and read those interactions anyway when you see that a mafia had died regardless of who shot them?

Shooting a civ is almost as NAI as being inactive.

If someone has a subset of players to choose from (presented by the thread at large), when they have the gun, and shoot a civ, and later other members of that same subset turn out to be mafia, I'm saying it's an indication that the player is more likely then other people to be mafia as a result. I'm not saying it's by any means a guarantee, but we have nutella in what you quoted acting like how a person uses the gun isn't going to be useful in game solving. That makes as much sense as acting like a standard lynch can't help in game solving.

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

The steady hand of a doctor is the only on we can trust with a shot like this.

This is the spiciest vote in the entire game. I don't know what to make of it.

That Sloonei is dedicated to his vote not being a relevant factor, apparently?

ayy johann is so town so town so town

the drago read is spicy

The Drago read is parroting the thread.

Boo what is your dragomir read btw I can't remember?

I dunno if I've mentioned him, so that might be why.

He isn't someone who ever sticks out to me long enough to consider. I know I've played a game where he got lynched D1 or 2 as mafia, and even then I had no idea why it went down with so much support. That hasn't really been different here. I've seen him tossed about, and I've opened his ISO, but it's just a blank wall for me. There's just more interesting people to look at.

Today I'll be tunneling Jack. Being wrong about nutella made me lose a lot of interest in this game, but now that I have that it's what I want to deal with.

From Drago's ISO, I think there's 1 mafia between Mac & Hyena.

There's some affinity, but I would hesitate to call it teammate indicative. Drago and boo were more openly assertive of one another than I'd expect a pair of teammates to be, though that's not a hard and fast rule. There's no reason they can't be acting boldly.
The post where duskfall asks boo for a read on Drago (second from the bottom) isn't a great look and kind of dances around the subject without giving a clear answer. More recently, he has said that Mac and Hyena are suspects based on Drago's ISO, but he has not elaborated much on that position or its origins.

boo is not incompatible with Drago, but I also would not leap to accuse him just yet. I would like him to explain his reaction to Drago's flip in more detail.

[Sloonei]

Wilgy and Drago:

As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

@Duskfall, what's your feel on Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

This is it. Drago is a name in a list with no stated read. Wilgy has not had much to say at all, so it's not damning that there's nothing here. But I can't call them incompatible.

[Sloonei]

funnygurl & drago

Spoiler: show

ok sloonei, you look good

there ain't enough for me to read nutella dragomir. tbh idk how to read her

I was not saying you would do the shooting. I was saying you were setting up getting me getting shot. You don't need the gun to direct where who gets it will aim it. And it's cleaner for mafia to not get it but have a hand in directing it.

And you know all of that, and it's the second time you've blatantly misrepresented what I have said; the first being when my talking about the mechanics was somehow trying to control what other people are doing.

I hope my last post clears this up a little but I am sorry if I've misrepresented you -- I was posting very late last night and was very much not eloquent and having trouble putting my thoughts into words so I think I mis-articulated some things, particularly the idea that you were trying to "impose" anything on anyone. I didn't mean it that way at all, just a looser idea that you were trying to apply your way of thinking to someone else's content in a way that didn't mesh with their original intentions. I'm not trying to say that your approach is wrong, just that it was misapplied to Mac's approach and I originally thought that you were nefariously trying to make him look bad out of nothing, but I can see that you may have legitimately had that interpretation. I don't know. I'm undecided on you now.

And sure, I was trying to push you as a candidate for shooting. But again nothing is set in stone at this point of the phase and now that I'm not screaming that you're "100% scum" I would appreciate the same courtesy. I was pushing my strong read at the time, which is what I believe townies should do. I was not trying to control the narrative in order to ensure a misfire, as you are insisting.

here you go drago

I was not saying you would do the shooting. I was saying you were setting up getting me getting shot. You don't need the gun to direct where who gets it will aim it. And it's cleaner for mafia to not get it but have a hand in directing it.

And you know all of that, and it's the second time you've blatantly misrepresented what I have said; the first being when my talking about the mechanics was somehow trying to control what other people are doing.

I hope my last post clears this up a little but I am sorry if I've misrepresented you -- I was posting very late last night and was very much not eloquent and having trouble putting my thoughts into words so I think I mis-articulated some things, particularly the idea that you were trying to "impose" anything on anyone. I didn't mean it that way at all, just a looser idea that you were trying to apply your way of thinking to someone else's content in a way that didn't mesh with their original intentions. I'm not trying to say that your approach is wrong, just that it was misapplied to Mac's approach and I originally thought that you were nefariously trying to make him look bad out of nothing, but I can see that you may have legitimately had that interpretation. I don't know. I'm undecided on you now.

And sure, I was trying to push you as a candidate for shooting. But again nothing is set in stone at this point of the phase and now that I'm not screaming that you're "100% scum" I would appreciate the same courtesy. I was pushing my strong read at the time, which is what I believe townies should do. I was not trying to control the narrative in order to ensure a misfire, as you are insisting.

here you go drago

Thanks. Hmm, I would not give Nutella a bad read for that post.

why's that? i can't metaread nutella yet but i'd generally scum read someone for a play like that

I was not saying you would do the shooting. I was saying you were setting up getting me getting shot. You don't need the gun to direct where who gets it will aim it. And it's cleaner for mafia to not get it but have a hand in directing it.

And you know all of that, and it's the second time you've blatantly misrepresented what I have said; the first being when my talking about the mechanics was somehow trying to control what other people are doing.

boo = town

nutella = scum

this isn't distancing; it's not w/w

do you think nutella's town?

I was not saying you would do the shooting. I was saying you were setting up getting me getting shot. You don't need the gun to direct where who gets it will aim it. And it's cleaner for mafia to not get it but have a hand in directing it.

And you know all of that, and it's the second time you've blatantly misrepresented what I have said; the first being when my talking about the mechanics was somehow trying to control what other people are doing.

I hope my last post clears this up a little but I am sorry if I've misrepresented you -- I was posting very late last night and was very much not eloquent and having trouble putting my thoughts into words so I think I mis-articulated some things, particularly the idea that you were trying to "impose" anything on anyone. I didn't mean it that way at all, just a looser idea that you were trying to apply your way of thinking to someone else's content in a way that didn't mesh with their original intentions. I'm not trying to say that your approach is wrong, just that it was misapplied to Mac's approach and I originally thought that you were nefariously trying to make him look bad out of nothing, but I can see that you may have legitimately had that interpretation. I don't know. I'm undecided on you now.

And sure, I was trying to push you as a candidate for shooting. But again nothing is set in stone at this point of the phase and now that I'm not screaming that you're "100% scum" I would appreciate the same courtesy. I was pushing my strong read at the time, which is what I believe townies should do. I was not trying to control the narrative in order to ensure a misfire, as you are insisting.

here you go drago

Thanks. Hmm, I would not give Nutella a bad read for that post.

why's that? i can't metaread nutella yet but i'd generally scum read someone for a play like that

I would too due to the diplomacy that they got going on but this one I don't agree with. I think Nutella genuinely felt sorry there and she really thought she was wrong. She gave a deep explanation for it and while she ended up being on the fence on Boo, the thought process towards it makes sense to me. This is something I can easily see someone from both alignments doing but coming from a genuine place, you get me?

alright. i mean i can't use that to influence my own read of her but i appreciate the info and think it makes you look good

@sloonei why i sus hyena: he's one of the people who are conveniently wolf reading me without real reasons. he tried to kill mikey in the shots turbo we played together. consistency in scum play i guess

Huh? I don't get how shooting Mikey in a turbo game is relevant here.

hyena was scum. mikey's an easy mislynch

i'm an easy mislynch rn

@sloonei why i sus hyena: he's one of the people who are conveniently wolf reading me without real reasons. he tried to kill mikey in the shots turbo we played together. consistency in scum play i guess

Huh? I don't get how shooting Mikey in a turbo game is relevant here.

hyena was scum. mikey's an easy mislynch

i'm an easy mislynch rn

What makes you easy?

i mean look at me

i'm likely on most people's shortlists rn, and for what. no one here except mac has even seen me play as scum

sloonei you don't deserve the gun this phase maybe like d2 lol

and yeah that's fair i hope people get their butts in here too

What the hell does that mean?

ok u dont deserve it fmpov

our reads are very different but i mean who knows maybe you're right but i don't think so

i didn't mean this with offense sorry

the second line was directed at dragomir

How can you consider this when he's scum reading you?

not about me obv but he's scum reading mac which imo is a no and he's tr'ing nutella which is also a no imo

The vote is useless. Nobody's gonna wagon Wilgy, an inactive player with no more than one post, with roughly an hour left in the phase. Especially when the majority of the active players have formulated town cores.

Voting for Wilgy all of a sudden and even trying to get ppl on board is just worthy of an lol.

Now, I'm trying to decide as to what that means concerning Sloonei's alignment, if it has any meaning at all.

imo it's wifom

The vote is useless. Nobody's gonna wagon Wilgy, an inactive player with no more than one post, with roughly an hour left in the phase. Especially when the majority of the active players have formulated town cores.

Voting for Wilgy all of a sudden and even trying to get ppl on board is just worthy of an lol.

Now, I'm trying to decide as to what that means concerning Sloonei's alignment, if it has any meaning at all.

Dragomir mafia

this is spicy

ayy johann is so town so town so town

the drago read is spicy

gman is town

boo is town

mac is town

we trust dusks nanook read

johann is BALLS TO THE WALL town

idk what to think of sloonei or wilgy, for different reasons.

hyena sus, drago sus, jack is eh.

OH YEAH. DRAGOMIR

is an option

On the whole I think I like these interactions for funnygal. We see more of a sustained dialogue than we have in the previous ISOs. I think some of the back and forth looked spontaneous enough to not be the interactions of two teammates, and the way funnygurl perked up when johann apparently caught Drago yesterday looks authentic and good. Funnygurl looks the best of the people I've checked out so far. There's nothing here that totally absolves her, but I would not leap to push a case against her for any of this. Everything checks out.

[Sloonei]

G-man & Drago

Spoiler: show

Qualified list of who I am willing to vote for as of this moment (caught up btw). All names are in alphabetical order because it's too early to try to rank anyone yet:

Would Vote to Give the Gun to Them:
-boo: He has a very logical way about him. I like it and I agree with much of what he has said as far as his opinions on mechanics, strategy, etc go.
-G-Man: He knows that gun control means using both hands.
-Hyena: New-to-me player, but I like what I see so far.
-Jack: Normally Jack's confidence/arrogance irks me a little. His 'Big-Brain' concept makes sense though. THis probably means I am misreading him and he needs to die though.
-MacDougall: He forgot that the sign-ups specified the number of baddies. That's a civ-look for him. I also want to see what the new-to-me folks think/do when Mac does whatever he wants with the gun.

Might Consider Voting For Them:
-Duskfall: The black text was irksome. Thank you for reversing course. He got sucked into side banter with new-to-me folk that did nothing to help me get to know him. I do approve of the TMNT avatar, however Raphael was better.
-Nanook: Also got dragged into choppy off-topic banter. (We have OT green for this) His saving grace right now is the point about not going into the night with just one target in mind.

Would Not Vote for Them:
Dragomir: For agreeing with Johann's idea about self-killing.
Funnygurl: For agreeing with Johann's idea about self-killing.
Johann: For proposing the self-killing idea.

Need More Input/Need to ISO:
-DrWilgy
-nutella
-Sloonei

I like G-man. I'ma put a good read on him.

Why?

-Dragomir feels like a flat character that keeps popping up in a story full of three-dimensional characters. Is that normal for him? I see Johann says that Dragomir likes to lead, so is his play contradictory of that tendency in a bad way?

Quills in my hot wings! The horror.

More observations through EoD for Day 2. People are listed in the order I first found something worth jotting a note about.

-Dragomir says he doesn't lead anymore. Hmm. Staccato answers to Sloonei until pressed for more of a response. Called sheepy by Johann, but is there evidence of that?

-Hyena: Lots of talking. Also a lot of responses and remarks to Nanook. I can see this as nervous chatter designed to portray himself as engaged and trying to help Nanook. Does anyone know if Hyena becomes a nervous talker either way when he's in the spotlight? He proposes shooting Dragomir and Boo. The former isn't on Nanook's list, and Boo was said to be the lowest of Nanook's priorities on his potential shoot list. It would look worse if Hyena had proposed Jack and Mac, as they are on even footing with him (or were when night started).

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME This is probably too late to be helpful, but:

Would Not Shoot: Sloonei, Mac
Would Shoot: Dragomir, Hyena

Quick post to vote. I looked through both Funnygurl’s and Johann’s ISOs again. I see Johann’s pursuit if Dragomir. That’s a good look. Still, I can’t get a good feel for the guy. Funnygurl is a little all over the place but I read her more innocently. Call it gender bias if you must.

[VOTE: Funnygurl] aubergine

Help us Sloonei-Wan Kenobi; you’re our only hope!

G-man was fairly critical of Drago, but it feels a bit underwhelming. If they're partners then G went for a hard one-sided distancing play. I've seen weirder things, but I don't see a smoking gun here so I should refrain from pursuing this too strongly. G-man hasn't been super active and a more straghtforward ISO might be more revealing to see how exactly this Drago pressure fits into his overall hunting efforts. I may do that if I have the time once the current exercise is done. G-man's someone who should remain in the POE, but I can't place him firmly in one pool or the other.

[Sloonei]

Hyena & Drago

Spoiler: show

Anyway, of the people in the towncore, I'd probably shoot Nutella first? And then of the people who pushed back against the towncore, I'd probably shoot Funny first.

And, just to make things complete, of the people who weren't involved at all {Boo, Dragomir, DrWilgy, G-Man, Mac, Sloonei}, I'd probably shoot Sloonei first with the caveat that I haven't really evaluated Dragomir yet.

@Hyena if you get the gun, will you shoot Nutella?

Most likely, yeah.

Nutella is scum, who's with me?

Explain this read, Mr. O'mir.

Let's trade. Give me your reasons on FG, and I'll give you mine on Nut.

Did you ever give yours on Nut? :P

@MacDougall do you think Nutella is good or bad?

Drago, why did you move your vote to Mac?

Also, I don't like how the votes are tied again. That seems to keep happening in spite of me calling for people to avoid doing it.

Why don't you unvote yourself to make it not tied?

Move your vote to Dusk, and I will unvote myself and move to Dusk, too.

Drago, who would you be willing to move your vote to right now?

@MacDougall @Dragomir

PUT YOUR VOTES ON ME!!! WE CAN DO THIS!!!

Wait, no. I won't vote for you Hyena. Actually, I won't change my vote at all.

WTF

For Boo and Drago, I am townreading one more than the other (Boo in this case), and that's just how I wanted to express that. Like, if I had to lose one of them, I'd be more willing to lose Drago then Boo, since I'm less sure about Drago.

Wait, no. I won't vote for you Hyena. Actually, I won't change my vote at all.

WTF

We have 8 minutes left. Voting for you will tie the wagons meaning nobody will get the gun, which is made even worse since I town read both you and Dusk. So I'm just going to leave my vote on Mac. No point in changing.

Mac will give me the gun though. I need you to put me at five votes first, though.

Boo and Drago are no-gos for me right now. I'd never shoot them right now, but if I had to pick one to die over the other right now, it would always be Drago to shoot over Boo since I'm less sure about Drago. Boo just feels pure right now to me.

Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

Do you have reference to this event?

I agree with you on Mac.

Yeah. Drago's was the most explicit of the three:

@Hyena if you get the gun, will you shoot Nutella?

Most likely, yeah.

Good shit. Everyone, give Hyena the gun.

Jack's was less explicit, but I felt like he joined in on the support for similar reasons:

@Hyena if you get the gun, will you shoot Nutella?

Most likely, yeah.

Good shit. Everyone, give Hyena the gun.

This reads townie independent of Nutella's alignment. Moreso if Hyena is town.

Why? What about that post is good?

Seems to be the kinda thing a town player would say.

I’m kinda down with Nutella getting shot cause if she’s a wolf, I’ll take credit and if she’s town, I can say it isn’t my fault.

After rereading G-Man's ISO, I kinda believe him that he didn't join because I said I'd shoot Nutella. He made no mention of Nutella whenever he voted me, and he also mentioned that he'd prefer either of me or Mac getting the gun, not just me.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why should I trust you?

Why did you vote Nanook first here before asking him why you should trust him?

The reason I ask is that I recall Nanook specifically making this post concerning you --

I wouldn’t shoot FG fwiw, I don’t know what it is but I like her tone

I wouldn’t shoot drago maybe ever

I’d probably shoot hyena tho

-- and I get the feeling you placed your vote on him for that very reason.

Okay, so, I think this is where where I am as far as reads go at the moment:

Me
Dusk
Boo

Mac
Nanook

Funny
G-Man

Jack
Johann
Dragomir

Summary:
Funny has risen out of my scumpile and has settled into null territory, mostly because I'm now a little more suspicious of Jack and Dragomir -- especially Dragomir. G-Man has sunk to null territory, too, because I'm feeling better about Mac and Nanook now. Dusk is confirmed town, and Boo remains my strongest townread.

What I’d like to get from everyone is two people you would shoot and two people you would not. Doesn’t have to be ranked 1/2, I don’t care. Just give me two names on either end.

I would NOT shoot G-Man or Funny.
I WOULD shoot Dragomir or Boo.

The EoD1 kerfuffle where Drago and Hyena argued about vote placements does not look like the sort of thing two teammates would do. On top of that, I think Hyena's progression on Drago, from an early town read to a strong suspect based on nutella's flip, looks authentic. I'm comfortable calling Hyena a townread based on these interactions.
This calls into question boo's read that "one of Mac or Hyena" is scum based on Drago's flip. I'd have to ask what he sees in Hyena that indicates an alignment with Drago.

[Sloonei]

Jack & Drago

Spoiler: show

@Hyena if you get the gun, will you shoot Nutella?

Most likely, yeah.

Good shit. Everyone, give Hyena the gun.

This reads townie independent of Nutella's alignment. Moreso if Hyena is town.

@Hyena if you get the gun, will you shoot Nutella?

Most likely, yeah.

Good shit. Everyone, give Hyena the gun.

This reads townie independent of Nutella's alignment. Moreso if Hyena is town.

Why? What about that post is good?

Seems to be the kinda thing a town player would say.

I’m kinda down with Nutella getting shot cause if she’s a wolf, I’ll take credit and if she’s town, I can say it isn’t my fault.

@boo
@Dragomir
@DrWilgy
@Duskfall
@Funnygurl555
@G-Man
@Hyena
@Jackofhearts2005
@Johann
@MacDougall
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@nutella
@Sloonei


The gun has been given to MacDougall! During this night, he can privately submit the name of one person to kill. N1 begins now and lasts for 24 hours.

Lol who’s bright idea was that?

It was Mac's.

Figures.

Skimming Dusk's iso, I think he was poisoned for being a consensus townread, not for having particularly scary reads since he was mostly after Hyena and Nutella and not even that harshly. Pushes my Hyena read south slightly all the same.

So here is our player list with players I have a reason to townread besides "Idk they feel pretty townie" (ie Hyena and Nanook) are crossed out

boo
Dragomir
DrWilgy
Duskfall
Funnygurl555
G-Man
Hyena
Jackofhearts2005
Johann
MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Sloonei


So let's look at...

boo
DrWilgy
Funnygurl555
Hyena
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Sloonei

Those first three.

Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

Here is my current reason for G-Man, Drago, and Jack.

Surely at least one of those reads has evolved past this point, right?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

I'm basically with you on Wilgy and Mac. I'm not in the same place with you on Sloon, GMan or Johann but I'm of the same opinion that none of them should be shot today.

Tell me what you got out of my interactions with Boo yesterday?

Talk to me about FG, Drago and Hyena. What is the most compelling reason to kill and not kill each of them?

This is weak. Jack plops a lazy town read on Drago immediately and never looks back. Jack can get shot.

[Sloonei]

Johann and Drago

Spoiler: show

Drago is scum
60:40 on hyena

Why poison dusk should be our question to answer.
Is it bcs he correctly guessed who is mafia or they wanna frame.

@Duskfall who is scum to you?

Shoot Drago then me, but shoot Drago first

Gman is a fed up townie
Hyena is a tryhard
Nanook is powering but in a genuine way

Shoot Drago then me, but shoot Drago first

Gman is a fed up townie
Hyena is a tryhard
Nanook is powering but in a genuine way

Why would you want to get shot?

Cause people say they wanna shoot me. Shoot Drago first then do w/e you want with me

Shoot Drago then me, but shoot Drago first

Gman is a fed up townie
Hyena is a tryhard
Nanook is powering but in a genuine way

Why would you want to get shot?

Cause people say they wanna shoot me. Shoot Drago first then do w/e you want with me

Talk some more about Drago. I have no idea why you think he deserves to get shot as well.

Cause we play on the same forum and he is sheeping a lot. Drago town i know leads a lot. Tries to get opinions and stuff. Not just bluntly say shoot X Y Z

You don’t have to know exactly which ones, just how many you think are there

2 for sure
Drago - Hyena

3rd is unknowm

Ok-why?

Drago i already explained
Hyena seems as a try hard. Idk its a gut feeling. I am a good scum player and i can smell other scum. He smells scummy. I can iso some posts later.

He also put me in his scum read without even pushing for me or explaining

Dougall if you think Hyena is town bcs he shares same scum views as you ( and mind you so do i ) why is he town and i am not? In fact i think i am superior to hyena in every aspect

Hyena said drago is scum BUT NEVER PUSHED for Dragos death. I pushed for Drago death entire D2 but hyena never did so except saying ye i think drago is scum and he needs to die when asked by nanook

Hyena has been smoke with no fire so far and i just cant see him as town

If you will say i bussed Drago why not say same shit to Hyena then?

I just find it beyond funny how Hyena who never had anything of substance and didnt even push for Dragos death is somehow a more townie than me who pushed on Drago sincr d2 started and called for his death on every occasion.

If you will hold me as null then hold Hyena for the same shit if not less. It is not consistent at all

This is strong. Johann develops a suspicion on Drago and doesn't relinquish. Johann should never be shot. Johann should get to shoot.
[VOTE: Johann] aubergine

[Funnygurl555]

ok sloonei i'll vote johann

[Funnygurl555]

johann you can DO IT

also DON'T SHOOT ME. YOU SEEM TO BE A FAN OF TIN FOILS. DON'T DO IT. YOUR THOUGHTS ARE OTHERWISE VERY GOOD

[Sloonei]

Mac & Drago

Spoiler: show

I have gamesolve anyway.

boo - scum
Dragomir - town
DrWilgy - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Duskfall - town
Funnygurl555 - scum
G-Man - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Hyena - town
Jackofhearts2005 - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Johann - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Sloonei - town

Shooting order:

FG > Boo > G-Man > Wilgy > Jack > Johann

Game winning POE already.

There are 162 posts and I have 37 of them ~22%), while that’s a terrible baseball record it is a pretty solid yards per carry

What a time to be alive

Hey, you have the most votes on the poll right now. What do you think about those voting for you?

I think they’re very smart and good people!

So GTH they're all town?

Do you think Nanook is a wolf?

@MacDougall your Hyena scum read goes against my town read on her. Talk to me about your read.

Hyena seems aright it's just that FG/Hyena feel like teammates. The "oh revenge shoot lol" thing seems like bs. They went on about it too much. If FG flips town I'll probably drop the read entirely.

Dragomir just do your own work for now I don't care enough to explain myself.

@MacDougall do you think Nutella is good or bad?

I think it would be foolhardy to give her a town read here but as of right now she is not someone I will shoot.

Also, I don't like how the votes are tied again. That seems to keep happening in spite of me calling for people to avoid doing it.

Why don't you unvote yourself to make it not tied?

Move your vote to Dusk, and I will unvote myself and move to Dusk, too.

Nah. I like my Mac vote.

Hyena and Duskfall fear me having the gun. Funny.

Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

It's false logic so it triggers me.

WTF did Boo and Dragomir do to you in scum chat?? Where is Mac?

What a strange and reachy horrible scummy post this is lol.

Btw reversing my drago read good chance he's scum

Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?

Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.

Btw reversing my drago read good chance he's scum

Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?

Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.

He risked tying the vote and giving town no gun to make sure I didn't get the gun, I'm his top townread. Regardless of you Vs me wanting the gun aside, why the hell would a town player risk the tie here last minute to take the gun out of your top towns hand? Even if he thinks you are slightly better with the gun I should be a nearly perfect to get the gun he should never CFD off me last minute

What was your read on him prior to EOD and did he know it?

I listed him in my top town 2 or 3 minutes before he cfded

Yeah ok Drago def on the shortlist.

Btw nutella you stinking butt head. I AM reading the thread.

So far here's the score:

FG - Sus
Hyena - Sus
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus

Still going.

I'm bored with the convo about Johann self-shooting. I'm so bored with it, I refuse to reread it and make reads from it.

Hyena is town. Lock it and throw the key away.

Say stuff about this

So basically here are my narrowed down options.

G-man - Not spicy but I think he's scum
Wilgy - Not spicy and I think he's town
Johann - Lil bit spicy and I think he's scum
Hyena - Spicy and I suspect
Dragomir - Spicy and I suspect
Jack - Flaming spice and I think he's scum

I have the shot submitted on Jack unless I have a change of heart.

Johann, Nutella, and FG would be all shots I'd be fine with. I'd only shoot Jack after those three and G-Man.

I don't think I'd shoot Mac or Dusk ever. Nanook would be a SUPER spicy shot, especially considering that he's starting to trend into that tone territory where I get iffy about him, like I did in Corona Virus.

Talk to me more about Johann, as well as your Nanook read.

I think I'd keep Sloonei around another day.

Why did you frame it like this, versus just town reading him? What is your reservation?

Boo and Drago are no-gos for me right now. I'd never shoot them right now, but if I had to pick one to die over the other right now, it would always be Drago to shoot over Boo since I'm less sure about Drago. Boo just feels pure right now to me.

Why did you feel the need to pair these two off? Particularly why did you feel the need to go from no go-s to choosing between them? I don't understand your thought process here.

boo - no
Dragomir - no
DrWilgy - no
Duskfall - ...
Funnygurl555 - no
G-Man - ...
Hyena - ...
Jackofhearts2005 - ...
Johann - ...
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - ...
nutella - no
Sloonei - no

Duskfall... nah
G-man... nah
Wilgy... nah
Hyena ... nah
Johann maybe
Jack maybe
Nanook maybe... nah.

Kind of in two minds about Johann and Jack here.

I think I look worst here but that's because Dragomir did work to pocket me. I think there's a good chance the Johann case was just distancing. Dragomir didn't respond to it like a scum responds to a townie casing them.

Bit sus on his interactions with Boo and FG too. I'd focus on those three.

This is uninspiring. Mac suggests some suspicion of Drago while he's holding the gun, but I don't see much evidence that he's actively considering a shot in that direction. At one point he acknowldges a case against Drago and places him "on the shortlist", but then Mac's very next post is a general summary of players he has decisive thoughts on, and Drago is omitted. There's no sustained pressure on Drago from Mac on Day 2, or really any pressure at all. He made a quick point to downplay the associative reads between them, which is yuck. I still maintain a firm suspicion on Mac based on the entirety of his handling of nutella Day/Night 1. His interactions with Drago are not encouraging either. If I could get the gun, I'd probably shoot mac.

[Sloonei]

I'm not interested in ISOing nanook because he's got more posts than anyone and he's the one who shot drago. I don't care about playing the wifom game with that at this stage. nanook killed a bad guy. nanook is good.

[DrWilgy]

FG - Sus -1 -1
Hyena - Sus +1 -1 Ugh Fuck you Hyena
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus
Jack - Cleared
G-man - Sus
Sloonei - Sus
Nutella - Sus
Boo - Seems ok
Wilgy - Null as usual fuck you Wilgy

Lol I can't believe I have the gun this is great.

Lol, thanks Dad.

Run by me why Nanook, Johann, and Jack are clear.

lol, it would be funny if, like, Mac and Wilgy are the last two mafia. I don't think this is the case though? I think this is the first time Wilgy mentioned Mac in his ISO. And he's going against Jack again here.

Correct.

Tell me why Jack isn't scum and is there currently any avenue to having him shot?

[Sloonei]

Mac, Jack, G-man, and boo are the players I'd be most inclined to suspect in that order right now.

wilgy is an enigma. linki: speak of the devil

[DrWilgy]

Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

Do you have reference to this event?

I agree with you on Mac.

Second mention of Mac, this time agreeing with my Mac townread. In the previous post I quoted where Wilgy was asking about Mac's reads, it kinda felt like Wilgy was treating Mac as town, but I don't recall ever seeing an explicit townread or a reason why before that. I think that Wilgy could either be trying to pocket Mac, or maybe could be partners with him? I dunno.

I thought at the time he was town but that was an entirely emotional response. I ack'd that was the case and felt that he isn't someone I should hard stick that townread of.

[DrWilgy]

As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

Duskfall, what's your feel on Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

Hmm... he didn't mention Boo here. I don't see how Boo ends up fourth in his shot list from what I've seen so far unless he's just going with the flow and pretending to agree with us that Boo should be in the PoE. He hasn't even given a read on Boo yet it looks like.

Have had a consistent light townread on him.

[DrWilgy]

Is that all of them?

Talk to me. What's our line? Jack is my proffered shot but I haven't fully read for the past cycle and a half.

[DrWilgy]

Mac, Jack, G-man, and boo are the players I'd be most inclined to suspect in that order right now.

wilgy is an enigma. linki: speak of the devil

Howdy pops!