Escape From Trump Tower [GAME OVER]

[TonyStarkPrime]

Is there a place where I can view the day 0 poll? Juliets' ISO reminded me of something

[Jackofhearts2005]

I forgot to say hi to Scirrus (I normally greet players I haven’t played with before) but he’s posted so much it feels awkward to do it now.

Hi Jack! I'm Scirrus. I like pina coladas, long walks on the beach, and killing mafia! Wbu?

Hi, Scirrus.

I like Total Warhammer and making fun of libertarians.

And he's pretty bad at both...

Shit your old-annoying face, man-thing yes-yes!

[Jackofhearts2005]

Rufus was a Skaven all along. That’s what I’d say if Skaven actually existed haha which they don’t.

[Sloonei]

I have gotten the impression that Epi is super town. Have I been fooled? Please tell me.

linki
juliets
not town

why not?

A deep feeling in my soul has told me thus

That's an unsatisfying answer.

hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Why are you asking/looking for that?

I just want to look at a game where you were mafia when there was only one mafia team so I can see what your play was like. I often look at someone's past games to help me with meta.

You might be thinking of Ancient Greece, but that was ages ago. I've had three scum wins in the last year or so: GoC, The Wire, and Phenon Origins, which was a sock puppet game so I doubt you'd have specific memories of me in there if you even played it. None of them match the description of what you're looking for.

Don't forget Coronavirus Mafia!

[juliets]

I have gotten the impression that Epi is super town. Have I been fooled? Please tell me.

linki
juliets
not town

why not?

A deep feeling in my soul has told me thus

Tony, that feeling deep in your soul is gas. I am not mafia.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why are you asking/looking for that?

I just want to look at a game where you were mafia when there was only one mafia team so I can see what your play was like. I often look at someone's past games to help me with meta.

You might be thinking of Ancient Greece, but that was ages ago. I've had three scum wins in the last year or so: GoC, The Wire, and Phenon Origins, which was a sock puppet game so I doubt you'd have specific memories of me in there if you even played it. None of them match the description of what you're looking for.

Don't forget Coronavirus Mafia!

And Girl Genius. You have a huge scum success rate while subbing out

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have gotten the impression that Epi is super town. Have I been fooled? Please tell me.

linki
juliets
not town

why not?

A deep feeling in my soul has told me thus

Tony, that feeling deep in your soul is gas. I am not mafia.

Maybe.

[Sloonei]

Why are you asking/looking for that?

I just want to look at a game where you were mafia when there was only one mafia team so I can see what your play was like. I often look at someone's past games to help me with meta.

You might be thinking of Ancient Greece, but that was ages ago. I've had three scum wins in the last year or so: GoC, The Wire, and Phenon Origins, which was a sock puppet game so I doubt you'd have specific memories of me in there if you even played it. None of them match the description of what you're looking for.

Don't forget Coronavirus Mafia!

Oh right. I participated in that.

[Sloonei]

Why are you asking/looking for that?

I just want to look at a game where you were mafia when there was only one mafia team so I can see what your play was like. I often look at someone's past games to help me with meta.

You might be thinking of Ancient Greece, but that was ages ago. I've had three scum wins in the last year or so: GoC, The Wire, and Phenon Origins, which was a sock puppet game so I doubt you'd have specific memories of me in there if you even played it. None of them match the description of what you're looking for.

Don't forget Coronavirus Mafia!

And Girl Genius. You have a huge scum success rate while subbing out

I was in Girl Genius?

[TonyStarkPrime]

am I misreemmbering

[Jackofhearts2005]

Anyone have an actual case that is probably not gas?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Four players have multiple votes...

[TonyStarkPrime]

am I misreemmbering

no you won girl genius nice work sloonei

[TonyStarkPrime]

Look, I'm not saying that Long Con is scum, I don't think he is. But the fact that he hasn't denied it is raising questions. Like, for instance, is Long Con scum??

[Sloonei]

am I misreemmbering

no you won girl genius nice work sloonei

I just went back to look as well. It coincided with my week of mountain-climbing adventures last summer.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Why are you asking/looking for that?

I just want to look at a game where you were mafia when there was only one mafia team so I can see what your play was like. I often look at someone's past games to help me with meta.

You might be thinking of Ancient Greece, but that was ages ago. I've had three scum wins in the last year or so: GoC, The Wire, and Phenon Origins, which was a sock puppet game so I doubt you'd have specific memories of me in there if you even played it. None of them match the description of what you're looking for.

Don't forget Coronavirus Mafia!

Oh right. I participated in that.

You were a key ingredient in the win salad tbh

[juliets]

Anyone have an actual case that is probably not gas?

Take a look at Epi's case on Sloonei and Sloonei's response. Epi just posted his case a few minutes ago.

[juliets]

I thought Epi's case on Sloonei was good, especially for Day 1. I really would like to look at another Day 1 mafia Sloonei so I think I'll do that. I also understand what it's like to be tired and distracted and playing mafia so I would like to believe Sloonei. I'm going to eat dinner, take a look at Sloonei's day 1 in The Wire and think about changing my vote.

[G-Man]

Is there a place where I can view the day 0 poll? Juliets' ISO reminded me of something

Your wish is my command. It has been added to the first post in the game (in spoiler tags). Sorry for the delay.

[juliets]

So damn, Sloonei wasn't in Day 1 of The Wire. Maybe I'm going about this wrong. [mention]Sloonei[/mention] are there any games where you were town where you feel like your play Day 1 was comparable to this game?

[G-Man]

For the record, there is a nasty storm system set to blow through my area during the 8:00 hour. High wind and lightning. We rarely lose power for any extended period of time, but if I am late with the day post, it's because the storm knocked out my internet.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Are we seriously killing sloonei today? What is this nonsense?

[Epignosis]

For the record, there is a nasty storm system set to blow through my area during the 8:00 hour. High wind and lightning. We rarely lose power for any extended period of time, but if I am late with the day post, it's because the storm knocked out my internet.

Same excuse I give after a bout of bourbon.

[TonyStarkPrime]

So damn, Sloonei wasn't in Day 1 of The Wire. Maybe I'm going about this wrong. @Sloonei are there any games where you were town where you feel like your play Day 1 was comparable to this game?

Sending Sloonei and yourself on a wild goose chase is very much scum energy.

[juliets]

Are we seriously killing sloonei today? What is this nonsense?

What did you think about the points Epi brought up?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Look, I’m not pro Sloonei. But I am anti-anti-Sloonei.

[juliets]

So damn, Sloonei wasn't in Day 1 of The Wire. Maybe I'm going about this wrong. @Sloonei are there any games where you were town where you feel like your play Day 1 was comparable to this game?

Sending Sloonei and yourself on a wild goose chase is very much scum energy.

Wait, what? I'm trying to determine if Sloonei ever plays like this. Epi says "no". I don't remember. I would like to see for myself. Why would I send Sloonei on a wild goose chase? And why would I go on one? If you are making an accusation just come out with it instead of sliding around it.

Also, what did you think of Epi's case?

[Long Con]

Look, I'm not saying that Long Con is scum, I don't think he is.

[Tangrowth]

I'm here, but I've been having internet issues for a few hours, and I'm also multitasking, so let's see how this works out.

[Tangrowth]

Updated MP7 reads list thingy

Town for now -- [would never lynch right now]
112
Epignosis
juliets
Nanook
Scirrus

Let's give X another day here -- [would prefer not to lynch]
Funnygurl
Jack
MacDougall
Sloonei

Upper POE -- [would passively consider lynch]
Soneji
TSP / nova

Lower POE -- [would actively consider lynch]
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Long Con

MP, could you expand a little on why Soneji is in your upper POE and Long Con in your lower? The only difference I see is Long Con has been around more but not posted thoughts on people (actually he may have posted a thought about someone but not many).

You have part of it. I expect Soneji to lurk and then post a giant wall, and I'd rather wait and see what he does. Long Con has made a post reading Wilgy as town, so I'm holding him to a higher standard of reads ever since he made it evident that he's here and paying attention.

[Epignosis]

Are we seriously killing sloonei today? What is this nonsense?

Speak as to why we shouldn't.

[Tangrowth]

I just read through Sloonei's posts. He posted exactly 4 times yesterday (Tuesday) and hasn't posted at all today. That's not looking good. I understand he's playing another game but he's got no time at all to post in this one on the day we have EOD? I don't like it, the only question for me is whether MP7 is right and we should give him another day because his value if he's town is high. (Is that +EV? Still not 100% sure on how that term is used)

Other than Sloonei, I'm looking toward LC or Soneji for a vote. Since LC and Sloonei already have some heat I'm going to throw a vote Soneji's way.

It's not exactly +EV to let him live necessarily, but it could be argued that it's -EV to kill one of your potentially best game solvers and self-resolving town players on Day 1, yes.

[Tangrowth]

Are we seriously killing sloonei today? What is this nonsense?

Speak as to why we shouldn't.

Why the fuck are you tunneling this so hard?

[Long Con]

Long Con has made a post reading Wilgy as town, so I'm holding him to a higher standard of reads ever since he made it evident that he's here and paying attention.

[Tangrowth]

The issue in not lynching Dys is that we don't know what his wincon is. That's the problem whenever someone claims 3P: they can lie about what they need to do to win, and so I don't think it's intelligent to wait until endgame to sort them. He might only be able to solo-victory.

Except I'm not literally dumb. I don't claim 3p if I'm some regular SK or whatever. This is way more complicated than that, and basically not mafia. Which is why I'm already pretty over it. I don't even understand my wincon myself, cause it's hella long and about locking specific people in their specific rooms and what not. Basically guesswork. Being locked in a room works as a protection from NKs. And town's wincon does not include eliminating me. I know this for sure. If I reach my wincon, I'll exit the game. I've claimed 3p every time I've been a not threat to town. I've lied about it once in a Game of Thrones game, where I was just a pure SK. This mod does not operate with pure SKs. Why do you think there's room numbers here? So that I can play room bingo. Yay.

Wow, that's some weird shit.

[Tangrowth]

Long Con has made a post reading Wilgy as town, so I'm holding him to a higher standard of reads ever since he made it evident that he's here and paying attention.

I imagine I'll catch up and see, but what other reads do you have?

[Sloonei]

So damn, Sloonei wasn't in Day 1 of The Wire. Maybe I'm going about this wrong. @Sloonei are there any games where you were town where you feel like your play Day 1 was comparable to this game?

shockheaded peter comes to mind. There was another one that i was so detached from that I don't even remember the name.

I don't think any of this is really alignment indicative though. This game right now is unique in that I'm not too busy to play the game, I'm just mentally exhausted from life circumstances in recent weeks. I'm here, I just don't have the energy to be myself.

[Tangrowth]

hi

Hey FG, is this our first game together other than that turbo? I think so.

I believe it's my first game with Scirrus as well... and I don't remember playing with nova much.

yep, what's up man! im a bowl of carrots

LMAO, I like the avatar selection.

[Tangrowth]

So damn, Sloonei wasn't in Day 1 of The Wire. Maybe I'm going about this wrong. @Sloonei are there any games where you were town where you feel like your play Day 1 was comparable to this game?

shockheaded peter comes to mind. There was another one that i was so detached from that I don't even remember the name.

I don't think any of this is really alignment indicative though. This game right now is unique in that I'm not too busy to play the game, I'm just mentally exhausted from life circumstances in recent weeks. I'm here, I just don't have the energy to be myself.

Where are you at right now? I know you're super deflated, but perhaps you can offer thoughts on my reads/content.

[Tangrowth]

scirrus seems alright but im wary of giving em a town read

Why are you wary of Scirrus specifically?

[Tangrowth]

Town core and POE is the way to play!

Nanook v

[Tangrowth]

Just woke up, have read some of what was posted since I ducked out yesterday.

The culture on my homesite is to always lynch claimed 3Ps. Is it different here? I'd lynch Dys right now and it's not really close.

imo scum would want 3ps gone even more than town rn, esp since dys has 3 vests

My entire thing with Dizzer is that he could be lying about his wincon and how much of a threat he poses to the town. Him saying he doesn't even understand his own wincon fully doesn't help; who doesn't 'get' their own wincon?

His statements are so specific and bizarre though; my inclination is to believe them.

[Sloonei]

So damn, Sloonei wasn't in Day 1 of The Wire. Maybe I'm going about this wrong. @Sloonei are there any games where you were town where you feel like your play Day 1 was comparable to this game?

shockheaded peter comes to mind. There was another one that i was so detached from that I don't even remember the name.

I don't think any of this is really alignment indicative though. This game right now is unique in that I'm not too busy to play the game, I'm just mentally exhausted from life circumstances in recent weeks. I'm here, I just don't have the energy to be myself.

Where are you at right now? I know you're super deflated, but perhaps you can offer thoughts on my reads/content.

I already offered a couple of reads but they're not much. Things haven't changed. I think you are town for the energy and direction of your posts. juliets has felt inquisitive about me in a way that feels authentic. Epi's pursuit of me seems primarily geared toward motivating me to play the game, which is not something I think he would do if he was mafia. I slapped a vote on wilgy because his vote for me felt opportunistic. I've mostly only responded to notifications so far, so my scope is limited.

i got an email this afternoon about a couple formatting changes to my thesis, so that's distracting me now as well, but i'm just about done there.

[Tangrowth]

I absolutely hate that 4-person wagon on Sloonei. It's static. It's not pushing the game forward in any way. If there's one reason to ever lynch Mac here, that'd be one. I understand Epi's vote being there, but I'd encourage those voters to at least more actively consider other options.

If Sloonei is scum and I'm actively now arguing to avoid his lynch d1, then lol, but if he is scum I'm confident we can catch him with strong town play.

ok mp gets like a pass from me idk how to read this guy but there have been multiple good takes

What are the multiple good takes, and why do they make me town?

[Tangrowth]

So damn, Sloonei wasn't in Day 1 of The Wire. Maybe I'm going about this wrong. @Sloonei are there any games where you were town where you feel like your play Day 1 was comparable to this game?

shockheaded peter comes to mind. There was another one that i was so detached from that I don't even remember the name.

I don't think any of this is really alignment indicative though. This game right now is unique in that I'm not too busy to play the game, I'm just mentally exhausted from life circumstances in recent weeks. I'm here, I just don't have the energy to be myself.

Where are you at right now? I know you're super deflated, but perhaps you can offer thoughts on my reads/content.

I already offered a couple of reads but they're not much. Things haven't changed. I think you are town for the energy and direction of your posts. juliets has felt inquisitive about me in a way that feels authentic. Epi's pursuit of me seems primarily geared toward motivating me to play the game, which is not something I think he would do if he was mafia. I slapped a vote on wilgy because his vote for me felt opportunistic. I've mostly only responded to notifications so far, so my scope is limited.

i got an email this afternoon about a couple formatting changes to my thesis, so that's distracting me now as well, but i'm just about done there.

That's cool, I appreciate these thoughts. Good luck with that!

[Tangrowth]

anyway I'm done catching up so here's some reads

in an effort to not clog the thread I'll spoiler it

Spoiler: show

this is for you nanook

Omg whyyyyyyy

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Moving my vote to long con

So familiar... I get shout outs to post more. I make one post with an opinion. Vote comes in for me unqualified. *kisses fingertips like Chef Boy-ar-dee* Magnifique.

I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.

Why do we think this? It would be an easy move.

I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.

Why not?

The likelihood that a 3P is not a threat to the wolf team. Why waste wolfy energy going after a 3P?

I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.

Can I interest you in a long con

Sure, I'm down. Not feeling a Wilgy vote much anymore.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Really?

Updated MP7 reads list thingy

Town for now -- [would never lynch right now]
112
Epignosis
juliets
Nanook
Scirrus

Let's give X another day here -- [would prefer not to lynch]
Funnygurl
Jack
MacDougall
Sloonei

Upper POE -- [would passively consider lynch]
Soneji
TSP / nova

Lower POE -- [would actively consider lynch]
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Long Con

So I was orange until I made a content post and Nanook decided for you that it's bad, so suddenly I'm in your red zone. Suyre.

MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.

I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.

Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.

I don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?

Not sure if there's a term for it, but the encouragement of genuine town thoughts that give a scum benefit.

Linki: I think he's right re sloonei and his suspicion feels genuine.

I'm not sure I understand still, so let me elaborate. The players in my POE are people I feel OK lynching. If I have someone at a null read, I'm essentially OK with them being in the POE, especially if I have town leans or reads for everyone else. I think the reasons I've placed everyone in the tiers that I have are substantiated somewhere in my ISO, but if you're ever confused about any of them, feel free to ask me.

Also, I'm voting LC to support Nanook, and LC is in my three-person lower POE. I do that all the time as town. If someone else wants support with a wagon, I see that person who wants my support as town, and I support pressure on that wagon, I will often add to that wagon.

Why is that scum agenda and not town agenda?

Calling absolute bullshit here. I wasn't in your lower POE until you decided to "support" Nanook's unqualified vote.

Jeeze, this is one hell of an OMGUS. Do you believe this, [mention]Long Con[/mention]? If so, why aren't you voting for me?

[juliets]

I just read through Sloonei's posts. He posted exactly 4 times yesterday (Tuesday) and hasn't posted at all today. That's not looking good. I understand he's playing another game but he's got no time at all to post in this one on the day we have EOD? I don't like it, the only question for me is whether MP7 is right and we should give him another day because his value if he's town is high. (Is that +EV? Still not 100% sure on how that term is used)

Other than Sloonei, I'm looking toward LC or Soneji for a vote. Since LC and Sloonei already have some heat I'm going to throw a vote Soneji's way.

It's not exactly +EV to let him live necessarily, but it could be argued that it's -EV to kill one of your potentially best game solvers and self-resolving town players on Day 1, yes.

Ok I get that. And yeah, thats why I'm having a problem moving my vote to Sloonei. Epi makes a good case but I keep thinking we should give Sloonei another day because he IS on of our best game solvers.

linki and the email about his thesis just adds more to me thinking we should give him more time

[Long Con]

Long Con has made a post reading Wilgy as town, so I'm holding him to a higher standard of reads ever since he made it evident that he's here and paying attention.

I imagine I'll catch up and see, but what other reads do you have?

My usual amount of Day 1 reads.