Pyre Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Sloonei]

is there anything directly linking Wilgy and MJ? Or just that they don't really interact

Maybe

[Carotenoid]

is there anything directly linking Wilgy and MJ? Or just that they don't really interact

Maybe

What #number is this? The link doesn't want to work for me

[Sloonei]

is there anything directly linking Wilgy and MJ? Or just that they don't really interact

Maybe

What #number is this? The link doesn't want to work for me

4949. It’s my big rambly night post about wilgy.

[TonyStarkPrime]

What do you mean by worst?

nanook was talking about this earlier. scum want to boost their stats, want to kill in all town tris. If they care about mechanics. It's what the KZA kill looks good for you, with two down in the tri scum would be substantially weakening their options. So I'm looking for deviations in a normal kill pattern based on game mechanics in order to make reads here

[Sloonei]

What do you mean by worst?

nanook was talking about this earlier. scum want to boost their stats, want to kill in all town tris. If they care about mechanics. It's what the KZA kill looks good for you, with two down in the tri scum would be substantially weakening their options. So I'm looking for deviations in a normal kill pattern based on game mechanics in order to make reads here

I mean we already know they were willing to kill within marcher’s triumvirate.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What do you mean by worst?

nanook was talking about this earlier. scum want to boost their stats, want to kill in all town tris. If they care about mechanics. It's what the KZA kill looks good for you, with two down in the tri scum would be substantially weakening their options. So I'm looking for deviations in a normal kill pattern based on game mechanics in order to make reads here

I mean we already know they were willing to kill within marcher’s triumvirate.

Not much downside to it at that point tho

[Sloonei]

What do you mean by worst?

nanook was talking about this earlier. scum want to boost their stats, want to kill in all town tris. If they care about mechanics. It's what the KZA kill looks good for you, with two down in the tri scum would be substantially weakening their options. So I'm looking for deviations in a normal kill pattern based on game mechanics in order to make reads here

I mean we already know they were willing to kill within marcher’s triumvirate.

Not much downside to it at that point tho

Agreed

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What do you mean by worst?

nanook was talking about this earlier. scum want to boost their stats, want to kill in all town tris. If they care about mechanics. It's what the KZA kill looks good for you, with two down in the tri scum would be substantially weakening their options. So I'm looking for deviations in a normal kill pattern based on game mechanics in order to make reads here

I mean we already know they were willing to kill within marcher’s triumvirate.

Not much downside to it at that point tho

Agreed

If you agree why are you bringing it up as a counterpoint lol

[Sloonei]

What do you mean by worst?

nanook was talking about this earlier. scum want to boost their stats, want to kill in all town tris. If they care about mechanics. It's what the KZA kill looks good for you, with two down in the tri scum would be substantially weakening their options. So I'm looking for deviations in a normal kill pattern based on game mechanics in order to make reads here

I mean we already know they were willing to kill within marcher’s triumvirate.

Not much downside to it at that point tho

Agreed

If you agree why are you bringing it up as a counterpoint lol

Just to state it

[TonyStarkPrime]

What do you mean by worst?

nanook was talking about this earlier. scum want to boost their stats, want to kill in all town tris. If they care about mechanics. It's what the KZA kill looks good for you, with two down in the tri scum would be substantially weakening their options. So I'm looking for deviations in a normal kill pattern based on game mechanics in order to make reads here

I mean we already know they were willing to kill within marcher’s triumvirate.

yeah. dilutes the evidence. Marcher was going down though, hard to say. Did anyone ever bring that up as an argument against him being a wolf?

[Sloonei]

What do you mean by worst?

nanook was talking about this earlier. scum want to boost their stats, want to kill in all town tris. If they care about mechanics. It's what the KZA kill looks good for you, with two down in the tri scum would be substantially weakening their options. So I'm looking for deviations in a normal kill pattern based on game mechanics in order to make reads here

I mean we already know they were willing to kill within marcher’s triumvirate.

yeah. dilutes the evidence. Marcher was going down though, hard to say. Did anyone ever bring that up as an argument against him being a wolf?

I talked about it.

[Carotenoid]

Have you role claimed, marcher?

I recommend "I'm a doctor"

I’m not a doctor. i’m a fairly weak investigative role that’s only useful in certain situations

me and lc want your phone number we have a plan

[Carotenoid]

woops didn't mean to post that I'm sorting through TonyStarkPrime - Marcher Jovian ISO

I was thinking I don't understand this post though

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What do you mean by worst?

nanook was talking about this earlier. scum want to boost their stats, want to kill in all town tris. If they care about mechanics. It's what the KZA kill looks good for you, with two down in the tri scum would be substantially weakening their options. So I'm looking for deviations in a normal kill pattern based on game mechanics in order to make reads here

I mean we already know they were willing to kill within marcher’s triumvirate.

Not much downside to it at that point tho

Agreed

If you agree why are you bringing it up as a counterpoint lol

Just to state it

Would you say this is a helpful observation or

[Sloonei]

nanook was talking about this earlier. scum want to boost their stats, want to kill in all town tris. If they care about mechanics. It's what the KZA kill looks good for you, with two down in the tri scum would be substantially weakening their options. So I'm looking for deviations in a normal kill pattern based on game mechanics in order to make reads here

I mean we already know they were willing to kill within marcher’s triumvirate.

Not much downside to it at that point tho

Agreed

If you agree why are you bringing it up as a counterpoint lol

Just to state it

Would you say this is a helpful observation or

Yes, or it could at the very least lead somewhere. There is no harm in bringing it up.

[TonyStarkPrime]

What do you mean by worst?

nanook was talking about this earlier. scum want to boost their stats, want to kill in all town tris. If they care about mechanics. It's what the KZA kill looks good for you, with two down in the tri scum would be substantially weakening their options. So I'm looking for deviations in a normal kill pattern based on game mechanics in order to make reads here

I mean we already know they were willing to kill within marcher’s triumvirate.

yeah. dilutes the evidence. Marcher was going down though, hard to say. Did anyone ever bring that up as an argument against him being a wolf?

I talked about it.

darn I was gonna scumread whoever said that

[TonyStarkPrime]

it rules out a few worlds.

[TonyStarkPrime]

like basically it means wolves weren't all in on wilgy day 3, which is established

[Sloonei]

like basically it means wolves weren't all in on wilgy day 3, which is established

Is wilgy one of them?

[Carotenoid]

Marcher Jovian - TonyStarkPrime interactions
D0 + D1
From TonyStarkPrime ISO

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[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
That Nanook vote weirded me out

You don't accept his reasoning? I find Tony's overall vibe scummy to this point but I don't take issue with him prodding someone that was barely noticeable. You'll notice that Nanook showed up too, and his posts didn't exactly impress me. Since you like asking questions I'll ask you one; any thoughts on Nanook himself?

Oh and I think you asked me about Moth earlier but I got distracted; he is still town.

It’s because Tony was happy to suspect people and cast shade on them, but wasn’t willing to actually back it up with a vote. Like from reputation I know sloonei and nutella are fairly experienced players, so it’d probably be hard to get either banished d1. Nanook is a really easy, random, low-commitment vote. Who’s gonna defend someone with low thread presence that hasn’t really gotten “serious” about solving yet? Like in a vacuum I don’t think someone voting Nanook is necessarily scummie, but it doesn’t really fit with the mindset Tony’s shown so far.
Like Tony: “This might be a wolf tactic because most people just leave these sort of mutual tunnels alone d1. be cautious of this”
Also Tony: leaves mutual tunnel alone, makes an easy, low-commitment vote
Why isn’t he pushing at the tunnel? It just makes me go ???

Re: Nanook is probably just lazy civilian getting pushed for a miselim.

bad

not sure if I like the thought process though

Like I think the general thing scum wants to do is force me to push the slightly insane read I made to start off the day, and this is in this camp.

Also in what world is Nanook an easier MDF in general than Nutella/Sloonei?

Marcher Jovian's vote happened at the very beginning of D1, so these start cataloguing each other as bad quite early.

From Marcher Jovian ISO

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why does no one want to talk with me

you're not really trying to alk to anyone afaict

you tagged what,lissa?

but prior to that there wasn't much.

weird post m'lord.

oh hey visor can you walk me through your w read on tsp

why does no one want to talk with me

you're not really trying to alk to anyone afaict

you tagged what,lissa?

but prior to that there wasn't much.

weird post m'lord.

oh hey visor can you walk me through your w read on tsp

Like rn from my pov tsp seems like sorta nullish? what did you see that i didn't

This is from when Marcher Jovian was trying to talk to people D0, they question outed wolf about their TonyStarkPrime read.

@TonyStarkPrime why are you sussing nutella/sloonei while voting nanook?

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
That Nanook vote weirded me out

Marcher Jovian voted against TonyStarkPrime during early Day 1 based on a vote when they thought he was "sorta nullish" before that. They did not hesit to form this read and vote, even if in D3 they had nine null reads.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
That Nanook vote weirded me out

You don't accept his reasoning? I find Tony's overall vibe scummy to this point but I don't take issue with him prodding someone that was barely noticeable. You'll notice that Nanook showed up too, and his posts didn't exactly impress me. Since you like asking questions I'll ask you one; any thoughts on Nanook himself?

Oh and I think you asked me about Moth earlier but I got distracted; he is still town.

It’s because Tony was happy to suspect people and cast shade on them, but wasn’t willing to actually back it up with a vote. Like from reputation I know sloonei and nutella are fairly experienced players, so it’d probably be hard to get either banished d1. Nanook is a really easy, random, low-commitment vote. Who’s gonna defend someone with low thread presence that hasn’t really gotten “serious” about solving yet? Like in a vacuum I don’t think someone voting Nanook is necessarily scummie, but it doesn’t really fit with the mindset Tony’s shown so far.
Like Tony: “This might be a wolf tactic because most people just leave these sort of mutual tunnels alone d1. be cautious of this”
Also Tony: leaves mutual tunnel alone, makes an easy, low-commitment vote
Why isn’t he pushing at the tunnel? It just makes me go ???

Re: Nanook is probably just lazy civilian getting pushed for a miselim.

Hmn, Marcher Jovian kinda TMI NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME town here. Anyway, it's a pretty strong scumread of TonyStarkPrime.

--> D0, Marcher Jovian find TonyStarkPrime "sorta nullish"
--> D1, Marcher Jovian scumreads them quite strongly and casts a vote early in the phase
--> TonyStarkPrime views the vote and thought process as "bad"

N1 + D2
From TonyStarkPrime ISO

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at this point marcher just kinda has to go regardless because of how discussion has been centered solely around him

I N F O Y E E T

hmn

From Marcher Jovian ISO

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#2969 In the readlist, TonyStarkPrime is a "null" even if Marcher Jovian suspected him vocally during day 1. This is seen by Sloonei and makes this post happen -->

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town
carotenoid

townlean
bronana
kza
moth
nanook
nutella
tedxtr

null
drwilgy
dunya
Long Con
MacDougall
motobot
outed wolf
Sloonei
Soneji
TonyStarkPrime

wolflean
lissa
TurnipHead

Why are there so many nulls? If I insist that you take a stance on each of them, how would this list change?

There are so many nulls because there are so many people who haven’t done anything truly AI yet. I will not take stances because I would not believe in them.

You've previously taken a stance on TonyStarkPrime. What changed?

I exaggerate things sometimes to see what happens.

So hmn. They retract the scumread.

I exaggerate things sometimes to see what happens.

What happened when you exaggerated things about Tony?

a. People (correctly) called out that it was a suspicious push
b. There wasn’t really any of the sorta underhanded/sneaky defenses? People called out the case head on but it didn’t feel like there was a coordinated effort to either divert the push or follow the case. I think once there was pushback mafia got spooked and didn’t want to take the heat from jumping onto a contested case, but nor were they really interested in saving TSP, they just wanted to let it slide and exist.

I don't understand what this means lol Is the b) point saying TSP is town?

--> Marcher Jovian goes from TonyStarkPrime w in day 1 to null to whatever the post with a) and b) means

N2 + D3
From TonyStarkPrime ISO

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@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you should also be doing more things
@TonyStarkPrime you as well

I’m happy with the things I’m doing, thanks for the concern tho

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you should also be doing more things
@TonyStarkPrime you as well

I’m happy with the things I’m doing, thanks for the concern tho

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Only a wolf is satisfied with the way this game is going. [VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

look I caught two wolves! I'm doing so much already

marcher votes are so lazy, I say as I have posted two things of substance in this game thus far

So here TonyStarkPrime still points to Marcher Jovian bad

Glory might be useful to know about because it relies on specific breakpoints so it’s good to know someone’s glory if you’re alocating hope points to them. The issue is that it might accidentally lead into people softing their roles by saying that their night action is really good or mediocre to try to influence who spends glory on them.

prescence/quickness seem less useful to know. I guess there’s utility in knowing the exact state of very close wagons, or in avoiding accidentally losing a miselim by banishing all the high-voting civilians (though claiming quickness also lets mafia target high-boting civilians for the same effect)

Hope doesn’t really seem useful to know. I guess if we decide to just claim glory and hope, knowing hope gives more information to try to deduce the rest of the stats from?

There’s also the consideration that the OP might only say the basic uses of the stats and stuff could come up later that uses them to some other end.

conclusion:
claiming p—not good
claiming q—eh
claiming g—should be considered
claiming h—eh, probably not

But yeah I don’t think stat claiming is a good idea just yet.

there's some mechanically decent stuff that stat claiming can help with, if there are any powers that can like read stats or something

*shrug* mechanics

okay marcher can be a little wolfy, as a treat

This happens after Marcher Jovian starts the anti-Sloonei campaign.
This is a bit confusing because it seems that TonyStarkPrime had previously been pretty much more on the Marcher Jovian w side, but now it's like he's saying they weren't wolfy before?

Have you role claimed, marcher?

I recommend "I'm a doctor"

I’m not a doctor. i’m a fairly weak investigative role that’s only useful in certain situations

me and lc want your phone number we have a plan

???

Not putting the posts but after this TonyStarkPrime started the whole kinda defending Marcher Jovian thing and voting Sloonei.

From Marcher Jovian ISO

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@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you should also be doing more things
@TonyStarkPrime you as well

hmn

--> It seems like TonyStarkPrime only starts townreading Marcher Jovian when they are in a bad spot in a really agent the grain feel
--> Marcher Jovian doesn't really mention him again

CONCLUSION
This is weird. TonyStarkPrime-Marcher Jovian were kinda hostile to each other at the beginning. Marcher Jovian dropped this quite quickly for kinda obscure reason but TonyStarkPrime continued. He suddenly started townreading Marcher Jovian during the anti-Sloonei campaign when the majority of the thread thought they were wolf?? The sudden shift in TonyStarkPrime's read of Marcher Jovian is so odd that I don't see it as w/w.

[mention]bronana[/mention] you said that Marcher Jovian hard defended their teammate in the game you checked right?

If it's true, I don't think Marcher Jovian is the kind of player to attack their teammate so harshly early without consultation first. If this was an orchestrated distancing attempt, then I do not understand why Marcher Jovian starts so harshly on TonyStarkPrime and then kinda juste ignore him. It's like TWTBAW distancing attempt

So yeah. I wasn't expecting this, but I don't think TonyStarkPrime is partnered with Marcher Jovian.

[bronana]

seems like an obvious distancing attempt imo

the team in this game is presumably 4-5 wolves, probably not going to just hard defend all of them. tony was never under much yeet pressure, and tony never voted for marcher when marcher was under yeet pressure. I'm not really buying it

can you please respond to the posts i've made about your read on me

[TonyStarkPrime]

like basically it means wolves weren't all in on wilgy day 3, which is established

Is wilgy one of them?

could be. I independently tr wilgy.

[Sloonei]

like basically it means wolves weren't all in on wilgy day 3, which is established

Is wilgy one of them?

could be. I independently tr wilgy.

why?

[Sloonei]

Back on the ISO train we go.

Marcher & Carot

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How likely do you think it is that all the people that have posted so far are civilian?

...this was an opener.

I'm here if you wanna talk! I'm catching up on another tab but I'm easily distracted lol

Hey Carotenoid what do you think about tedxtr's response to your entrance? (and also like tedxtr's thing in general of making a quick retrospective on the first pages and establishing slank cover)

First interaction is a generic question. I can make nothing of this yet. It exists.

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I'm not sure what's his problem with my post? (Also looking back the only person that responded to that is moth so hmn. I think he's townie)
His retrospective was kinda meh and I'm not sure to understand what the "slank cover" thing is.

When I said slank cover I meant the "see you d3" bit.

I might be able to glean something here. There is a moment of miscommunication after what appears to be an attempt by Marcher to shade ted. I would speculate that it's less likely for Marcher to have specifically attempted to shade a civilian in a direct interaction with their partner. Marcher has no reason to present their question about ted in such loaded language if they're dealing with one of their own partners, and I am inclined to read that as more likely being the result of a mafioso who is trying to lead a civilian into a negative read on another civilian; the moment of unclarity here is another favorable sign for Carot. Minor point, but a point nonetheless.

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Nevermind, apparently Marcher had an issue with my interpretation of Carote’s opening?

I don’t see what the problem is there. “Hey guys, how many civillians have posted?” seems like about a pretty wolfy post, for an opener.

@Marcher Jovian Why do you like that particular post??

It feels like the kind of weird mindset post that comes from >rand town. Like mafia already know everyone's alignment. They know exactly who's posted and what their alignments are. It feels like the sort of random thoughts that town sometimes has that are hard to think of when you're mafia.

tl;dr lack of tmi

I read this as more of an anti-ted post than a pro-carot post. Reminds me also of some of Marcher's posts about bronana. Not much to say here.

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Don’t want a carote banish today. If people want to do something silly don’t do it there.

Distinctly pro-carot. Okay.

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Don’t want a carote banish today. If people want to do something silly don’t do it there.

why not

Because carotte is one of my stronger townreads rn and I’ve been burned enough for not speaking up for my town.

well, duh.

i mean why are they town?

Because I caught them thinking of and asking the exact same questions I wanted to ask at the same time. Like it’s no lock but it’s matching mindsets and puts her above like 80% of tne game.

I am a bit concerned here: Marcher's answer to bronana's question is not easily extracted, and when it does come out it's not a very inspiring read, and also gets walked back a little in the second sentence. It is not impossible to read that as Mafia #1 hastily defending their partner and being ill-prepared to back it up. However, I can also read it as Marcher simply tripping over their words a bit when asked to explain a read. One does not typically frame a civilian read being "caught."

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YOU GUYS ALMOST SHOT CAROTTE YOU FUCKERS

wtf was that case even
“If Carotte isn’t a wolf, wolves would be voting her”

My first reaction is that Marcher doesn't flip out like this if Carot is actually their teammate. I would be inclined to read this as more of a feigned impassioned defense of a civilian in pocketing attempt. But who knows? Marcher also went to frankly ridiculous lengths to... do something to me at the end of Day 3, so they're certainly not averse to huge dramatic reactions to things here. I'd lean favorably on this for carot, but that's not a strong lean.

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whats the good word

i read yalls posts
marcher a wolf?

his defence of carot is interesting, i cant imagine having such a strong village read on her outside of masonry if im honest

just not the kind to be super villagery

The issue was never that I was dead confident that Carot was a villager. I wasn't. The issue is that Carot is one of the few people really feeling kinda villagery when half the thread is wolfing it up. What do you want me to do, step aside when one of few people who actually felt townie d1 gets yeeted?

...Okay... I can't tell if this is a player who feels "caught for the wrong reasons" or a player who is trying to scramble back after over-extending themselves on their partner defense. This post frankly just looks bizarre in hindsight.

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That case was still utter garbage btw. It was legit just a shrug case. Like here's how it basically went:
Is Carot a wolf?
*shrug* maybe
there was utter jack for evidence.
like legit the strongest argument there was that the Carot didn't have many votes already. what kind of case was that. When is that ever a sincere thought.
Carot was pushed for utter garbage reasons and I am dissuaded.
I will not apologise for defending my convictions.

I guess the post gives a slight vibe (again) of a player trying to score townie points for an impassioned stand, rather than teammate-defense. After walking it back in the previous post, here Marcher is doubling down on the position that the case against Carot was the problem rather than anything that Carot has done to make them overtly civilian. In that light it reads more as a "You are all bad!" post rather than a "Carot is good" post. But that could also be a nervous response to accidentally associating too hard with their partner.

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god here's what's gonna happen. I can see it now. y'all are gonna go "this case is rock-solid, lets vote them out"
then I'm gonna get voted out and surprise surpirse! I flip civilian
then y'all're gonna go "oh nooooooo, how could this ever have happened"
then you're gonna not reevalute, ignore my reads, and i'll have died for nothing

oh god y'all are gonna double down and tunnel Carotte next. &*%^ that. not going down today.

Nah. If Carot was nervous and trying to dissociate from this position, they wouldn't continue to harp on it like this. I'll continue to lean slightly favor toward this being a good look for Carot. The possibility of Marcher going for a hard WIFOM play can't be totally disregarded, but that would not be my first guess.
This continues for several more posts. Skipping ahead, as I have no new comments on any of it.

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@Marcher Jovian what are your thoughts on nutella, Turnip Head, Sloonei and Soneji?

nutella—her pushes have felt kinda sketch, like opportunistic and ill-founded. but pushing on the maybe they’re masons thing shows like that extra degree of thinking and uncertainty about the game. Need to think whether it’s good enough to give her space and not vote her today
Turnip Head—I remember not enough about this person. They confidently pushed MR yesterday based on meta reads. People with meta on TH, how confident/brazen are they as a wolf? A bit of a wagon earlier today, tedxtr liked the iso. I ought to check this iso
Sloonei—this post summed up my thoughts, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ya#p620996 . Wagon comp looks kinda weird. Probably falls under “player good enough they ought to get another day to give them a chance to clear themselves”
Soneji—Posted very little. The few posts they’ve made have been underwhelming. [insert thoughts that are illegal in MU but I don’t know the exact etiquette about on Syndicate]

Generic softball prompt for reads. Meh.

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town
carotenoid

townlean
bronana
kza
moth
nanook
nutella
tedxtr

null
drwilgy
dunya
Long Con
MacDougall
motobot
outed wolf
Sloonei
Soneji
TonyStarkPrime

wolflean
lissa
TurnipHead

The top tier of Marcher's reads list is reserved for Carot and nobody else. If these two are partners then Marcher is just totally daring us to bite. Would they be this brazen as a relatively new player in a totally new environment?
Skipping a few more posts I have nothing to say about...

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top 3:
bronana-I don't think mafia keeps pushing me like this. It's a townie tunnel.
carotenoid- I've kinda just conceded and conf-biased myself into not reevaling this slot til lylo. Checked the iso and it only strengthened my convictions
nutella- Feeling townie vibes from her recent postings

bottom 3:
Lissa- Bleedingly opportunistic in jumping onto my wagon and her push on me
outed wolf- said he'd ramp up and deliver reads and stuff overnight. did not deliver
Mac- has done absolutely nothing all game and we're just letting it keep going?

A firm reiteration of the Carot town read. I am starting to lean more comfortably towards saying that Marcher does not spend so much time and energy offering unsolicited praise of their own partner.

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Why are people voting Lissa?

Marcher Jovian and DrWilgy both said they could vote the other, but neither of them did... Hmmmn.

Because if I move my vote the Lissa wagon goes away

Marcher's wet fart post was a response to a pointed question from carot. Probably a good look for our vegetable friend, with the caveat that Marcher was probably being bussed at this point.

Then we enter the frantic "vote Sloonei 2020" phase of Marcher's game. But even with their dying breath, Marcher was making sure we still knew that carot was a town read:

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carotenoid town, Lissa/Sloonei wolves

my legacy

Idk what to make of this specifically, but based on the rest of the ISO I'll continue to lean town on Carot.

Carot & Marcher

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I'm not sure what's his problem with my post? (Also looking back the only person that responded to that is moth so hmn. I think he's townie)
His retrospective was kinda meh and I'm not sure to understand what the "slank cover" thing is.

When I said slank cover I meant the "see you d3" bit.

It reads as a joke, I don't really think it AI.

Carot does not take Marcher's anti-ted bait. A good look. I do not think that a pair of mafia partners conspire to fake an interaction which has Partner #1 ask Partner #2 a leading question only for Partner #2 to respond with bland, uninterested dismissal.

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I like Marcher Jovian's read on moth, I just dislike that it was categorized as a "weird read".

Likewise, I can't imagine why a mafia member would feel compelled to make a post like this about their own partner. Either you want to critique their read or you want to approve of it. If carot was asked directly for her take on Marcher's post, I'd feel differently. But this appears to be an unprompted post. More good looks for carot.

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Why is there like 300 posts every time I take a nap aaah

I read it. But honestly it felt like pages of tedxtr saying Marcher Jovian scum and Sloonei asking him for other reads and being ignored, with a few sidequests in the middle. tedxtr/Marcher Jovian feels v/v

I don't know why exactly this is Carot's read, but it's not far out of line with how I felt at the time.

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@Marcher Jovian Wanna switch your self-pres vote on DrWilgy?

Is it naive to say that some version of this post would belong in team chat rather than in the thread if they were partners?

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Hi. I have finally catch-up. My D1 is like usually bad but not this bad so sorry for that and let's kick some wolfy pants.

I started writing this read list after reading around #1783. It goes from +town to + wolf.

Town
Marcher Jovian
Yo for real I just don’t understand how they are scum read. Their attempt to create discussion in a kinda clumsy way and the sad kitty reaction just feels really town and I relate to that. We also had a mind meld moment that felt really good. Also they deserve a hug.

Marcher is #1 town read. Okay.

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okay, I'm beginning to get a sense we should lay off the carotte/jovian pair for now

Wolfy post

Marcher and carot wagons all day every day

holy shit the second page of tsp's iso is hot garbage

all empty one-liners that are either offtopic/jokes or completely useless directionless comments


he's going to guilt me into thinking that's more in line with his town meta but looking at it all together I cannot condone this body of (non)work

If TSP is a villager I'd turbo kill nutella

Do you really believe a world where Marcher Jovian, nutella and me are w/w/w?

Scoffs at the notion of a marcher-nutella-carot scum team, but that objection is more to do with nutella's involvement than anything else, i think.

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mac / marcher / turnip head / wilgy / soneji

convince me any of those are villagers

MacDougall & Turnip Head not w/w for the interaction sequence starting at #2016

Marcher Jovian just never defends me as wolf

I have no idea why this read exists. It is wrong. Why does this read exist?

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everyone voting marcher jovian right now is town

wait lol

TH, Sloonei, Nutella, Jovian, Soneji?

Omg I think I just solved the whole scumteam

Wow remove Marcher Jovian and that's what I had end of night 1

Is it naive to say that mafia carot doesn't go out of their way to single out this post, and then single out marcher within the post it as the lone town read of the bunch?

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at this point marcher just kinda has to go regardless because of how discussion has been centered solely around him

I N F O Y E E T

^ lol this

I feel like we moved things quite a bit yesterday, I hard disagree that "discussion has been centered solely around him"

Y'know, these two are both firmly in each other's corners and I have been leaning in carot's favor on that for most of this exercise, but I have to give voice to the tinfoil theory because it's still lingering as I work through these posts: Marcher expended an inordinate, highly unnecessary and one might say ill-advised, amount of energy shading me at the end of Day 3. Ordinarily a harsh stance like that would be a step toward clearing me, but the volume and tenacity with which Marcher pursued that push makes it so obviously staged that people have been legitimately questioning it. Could we be seeing a similar thing here, inverted, with their partner in Carot? They're both going above and beyond the level that I'd typically expect of two mafia partners defending one another, but there is evidence for Marcher going above and beyond elsewhere in this very thread. I dunno. I 'd still say carot is town, but this possibility exists too.

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Another + sign for Turnip is that, if he were a wolf with Wilgy, he already had the Jovian set-up to push at that time, so pulling a Radishes read made no sense whatsoever. If he wanted to save a wolf, he would've done so by coming back to his Jovian read, imo.

I know this is taking pre-flip into account but I feel like having that dissonance in my head w/r/t Wilgy wolf and TH taking those actions might heavily interfere with my read on him, for no reason, even if Wilgy were to flip town. My brain works in many mysterious ways.

I think with the gamestate of yesterday wolves try to push Master Radishes so he doesn't have the time to become townier and keep Marcher Jovian as futur mislims
Same for DrWilgy if he's town

again.

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TH didn’t switch their read though. They said they though MR was significantly underperforming their town game, then did a scumread

Ha, didn't see it like that. That's a... weird way to approach it, especially with the absence of "maybe he's just really busy/need another chance/day" phase.

Carot is enamored with Marcher's excuse to suspect Turnip Head. Okay.

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I have never played with Marcher before, but a little bit of meta perspective is useful. Not completely reliable (every game is different. I don't think that every player does the same thing from game to game, and I haven't actually clicked on either of these links), but if there is an apparently clear distinction between a past mafia game compared to a past town game from Marcher, then that should not be ignored.

They said this was like their sixth game or something so I don't think a meta read serves much here

More of the same.

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I hate this

nutella/Turnip Head/Sloonei/Soneji/Marcher Jovian actually makes a good team

Carot abruptly acknowledges Marcher as a viable suspect as part of a specific hypothetical team. I'm not sure why these five names were given the stamp of carot approval.

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I don't think any scum team let Marcher Jovian do the night kill so I do not think there was a tracking thing
(also like I don't know about you but all of my stats are bad so eh, maybe he didn't even track anyone)

But yeah, their D2 is disappointing.

I don't understand how nutella/Sloonei (to an extent) scumread their D1 and townread them starting D2 like ???

This is not an unreasonable observation, and I was the one who officially put the conversation about ted catching marcher to bed (or at least I claim credit for it because of my enormous ego), so I don't object.

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I could share more information about my role, but I don't think it would be advantageous at this time. The extent of my claim is that I have a non-killing ability which I targeted tutuu with on Night 1. Do you believe me when I say this?

I don't know. I just... acknowledge it's a thing you said.

It certainly is.

What are your thoughts on wilgy and marcher? Is there another wagon we should be considering in addition to/instead of them?

DrWilgy: I'm still here. I'm not fan of the idea of making him a wagon right now when there's suspicious active players. However if I could go back to EoD 2 I would have voted him. (I actually wanted to do that last minute but I was too slow rip.)

Marcher Jovian: I liked their D1 and honestly their post-flip reaction won me over, I was townreading and ready to defend them back 100%
But then their D2 was really self-defensive and narrow-angled. I tried to get a better sense of them/make them saying something that would make me feel better about townreading them so strongly. It led to this post and it kinda had the opposite effect, especially the nutella line. It went from "kinda sketch" to "opportunistic" to "ill-founded", followed by townread for the mason thing but ended up with an indecisive/pushing back stance. Actually the whole post was a bunch of I don't know/pushing back. hmn. I... won't actively push their wagon, but will not mind at all if it becomes one (given that there's reasonable counterwagons)

I'm still baffled people find nutella's opportunism and perpetual contradictions townie
Also the action on Long Con is... Questionnable. I think he was never going to be a wagon today.

This read/progression is not too dissimilar to my own early on Day 3. There remains a distinct possibility that the mafia team decided it was time to cut Marcher loose at this stage, in which case I could view this sharp turn in an unfavorable light. But the tinfoil suspicion I've mentioned previously is not strengthened by this, really. It's not weakened either. The needle doesn't move much.

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Why are people voting Lissa?

Marcher Jovian and DrWilgy both said they could vote the other, but neither of them did... Hmmmn.

I like this well enough at face value, though see the caveat about potential bussing.

tl;dr - Carotenoid - There is one very specific tinfoil theory to consider here, but otherwise this looks like a comfortable town lean. The tinfoil is just strong enough to hold me back though. Even with that being the case, I would lean in Carot's favor. Both Carot and Marcher spent a lot of time saying nice things about each other, in such a way that goes beyond what I would normally expect from a pair of partners defending one another. The argument against Carot relies on both of these players having gone for a WIFOM-fueled gambit, which is a suspicion I would ordinarily reject if not for Marcher's EoD3 being such a WIFOM factory. But that was a hail mary play, and I have no reason to believe that Marcher would have been chucking up hail mary's from the first quarter on. So Carot's probably town, with just enough doubt wedged in my brain for me to call it a slam dunk. I'm mixing sports like crazy here, that's an unforced error.

[Long Con]

nanook was talking about this earlier. scum want to boost their stats, want to kill in all town tris. If they care about mechanics. It's what the KZA kill looks good for you, with two down in the tri scum would be substantially weakening their options. So I'm looking for deviations in a normal kill pattern based on game mechanics in order to make reads here

I mean we already know they were willing to kill within marcher’s triumvirate.

Not much downside to it at that point tho

Agreed

If you agree why are you bringing it up as a counterpoint lol

Just to state it

Would you say this is a helpful observation or

Maybe the wolves are all spread out, one to a team, and they decided to go after jovians triumvirate because he was going down and they wanted to keep their own tris strong.

[TonyStarkPrime]

like basically it means wolves weren't all in on wilgy day 3, which is established

Is wilgy one of them?

could be. I independently tr wilgy.

why?

Not getting on the counterwagon for one, w/w wants easy cred, no? His progressions seem natural enough, not getting on a triumvirate day 1 is interesting, I find most of the reasons to vote for him to be manufactured.

[bronana]

town
carotenoid

townlean
bronana
kza
moth
nanook
nutella
tedxtr

null
drwilgy
dunya
Long Con
MacDougall
motobot
outed wolf
Sloonei
Soneji
TonyStarkPrime

wolflean
lissa
TurnipHead

how many wolves do you think are outside the nulls?

[Sloonei]

Marcher & dunya

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i thought i caught bad sloonei. now i have to find someone else to vote for.

think this is ~very lightly villagery

I just isoed MR. You guys are right, he's fluff posting too much.

@Master Radishes stop that. You're a bad radish. A bad radish.

how bad is it to find this kinda villagery lmao

gg lissa

who are the villagers

i am currently villa reading tutuu, moth, nutella, wilgy

in approximate descending order of strength

(could maybe swap first two, and maaaaybe last two but prob not)

Here's your iso. tuutuu was tone read. nutella was a weak tone read for ??? reasons. moth was "oh I just think moth talking about cronyism is kinda villagery". dunya is a weak nothing read. master radishes is a weak nothing read.

you are being blatantly hypocritical. like I've conceded that my read wasn't exactly a green peek but atleast i liked what carot was thinking and caught her in the moment being villagery. your reads are empty garbage why should i sheep these.

First real mention of dunya in Marcher's ISO comes fairly late, and it's only an incidental mention in a post that is meant to shade Lissa.

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i will be *very* surprised if ted flips wolf, and will also give them an oscar on emotion performance.

ted is just a wolf here. he is tap dancing on your head and doing a wolfy jig and just crying out "hello, I'm a wolf, vote me up!" and then laughing because y'all are too cowardly to do it.

They disagree about ted. This interaction doesn't tell me much about dunya/marcher, but I will not that Marcher's reaction to ted is a bit revealing: they were, at least initially, harshly anti-ted in response to his case. That may be revealing when it comes to Marcher's handling of pressure in general. They also accused me of pocketing-then-dropping them when I started to become suspicious.

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i'm enjoying the show tbh.

if you're wolfing with ted can you at least give me the dignity of putting together some case and trying to get me miselimed instead of doing this whatever this is.

Gut instinct is that this feels like a good look for dunya, but there's not enough here for me to run with that.

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what if moth is bad and marcher and ted have been fighting over him like the last slice of pizza, while both townreading him. that would be a hoot.

no
bad

Blunt dismissal and suspicion of dunya. Probably a good look.

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oh and nanook lock town for me tbh.

Is this just like a dead confident meta read or is there something else?

oh and nanook lock town for me tbh.

Is this just like a dead confident meta read or is there something else?

we were the three musketeers; no way nanook would kill tutuu and make us the two musketeers. nanook town.

also, mac is very town in this game and i dunno if that means he's wolf or not cos he claims i tunnel him every time we're t/t so make of that what you will.

sloonei is also lock town for me.
and ted.
and now you.

and i still have a weird vibe going when i look at KZA posts so like, can't get over it but have no fool proof argument why either.

turnip is my lover but there is something off with their vibe, so i kinda hate that nutella brought it up but also it's a valid concern and one i've had since they accused 2 people and voted for 2 others for less reasons on day 1. also i took full responsibility for being on the radish wagon and pushing for it, but i gotta say, his eod performance made me doubt myself a little. i didn't get any of that paranoia or doubt from turnip, like there was that townie turmoil missing in their eod performance and i feel bad about that too.

also feel bad about moth based on that reads list he gave, despite him having me in the ok pile.

Why do you have Mac as town? Like I'm seeing Mac make posts and say things but I can't really remember anything he's done, which is usually pretty sketch.

I have no basis for this claim, but I feel like quick successive inquires like this don't happen between mafia partners. I think generally partners are more inclined not to interact directly in the thread unless they're pursuing some specific plan or forced into it. These posts are totally casual and do not amount to much. If there was just one of them then I would not feel this way (a generic fluff post between partners here and there will always be a thing). But these are consecutive posts in Marcher's ISO, ~15 minutes apart, and both are unremarkable, straightforward questions for dunya. Slightly favorable look.

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I wanna town read Dunya for wanting to hand town reads like candy in this game state, because it comes from the PoV of a villager that wants to advance the game in some sort of way if that makes sense

the timing of it is better than the actual action

stop making good posts that's illegal

If I asked you to summarize your outlook on the state of this game right now in 250-500 words, what would you say?

You should also upload your resume with a cover letter.

today feels a lot better than yesterday. like things and solving are actually happening and town is finding town and working out and comparing their PoEs rather than everyone trying to chase down their own lead. good vibes. I'm a bit afraid we might be missing something right now and I'm getting pocketed by someone, but eh better to focus on chasing down the shallower wolves first and working off of a flip.

Which players have been the most noteworthy in this sudden uptick of game-solving? Where does your discomfort about potential pocketing stem from? Can you name names again? What might we be missing? Feel free to just vomit words, I don't care about (or even necessarily want) fully developed thoughts on this.

good new stuff: tedx's today right now feels so much better than his yesterday. You sticking out notes to compare on KZA and the talk about why KZA in general
potential pockets: you and dunya, primarily. You did a kinda white-knighty thing when you said you liked the way I posted and thought it reminded you of yourself yesterday when ted was focusing me and ted called you (and zack) out on it. Your playstyle vibe thus far has felt kinda procedural? Like not necessarily bad, just very measured and by the book and easily replicatable as either alignment. Dunya is a few things. Like her early posts on d1 felt a bit dunya.exe (though that might be just a multitabling thing) and her sheep onto radishes and eod in general feels kinda ehhhh. d2 feels fine and actually feels good vibes but I know she's a good player and has nothing really clearing her and stepping between a tvt tunnel and saying "I think you're both town" is a classic move for cred

other fears/missing things—Long Con read, which I don't get but is just kinda accepted without challenge. Just generally being with good players who aren't out of wolf range like zack or visor. Lissa town reads.

Dunya and I are accused of pocketing. Do teammates accuse one another of pocketing? Idk. Maybe? I don't feel particularly bad about this, and the language of Marcher's post feels like the kind of opportunistic shading of a wolf going after a potential paranoia target in three-games-at-once dunya.

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Who else would be "lower null"? Who would be higher null?

higher null: people who are doing things—dunya, outed wold, Sloonei
lower null: people who are not doing things—wilgy, Long Con, Mac, motobot, soneji, TSP

Dunya is in the top half of Marcher's big pile of nothing. Okay.

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[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

tbh, i'm almost very sure MJ is bad based on what i saw today only. but i want to offer sloonei my support cos since day 1 kza has felt off for me.

We are not doing kza today. That would be utterly awful to do to MR. I can feel MR’s soul right now, screaming at us, that this is a terrible choice. If you don’t want to vote me find someone else.

I feel like neither of these posts exist if these two are partners. Dunya's post is too casual about her Marcher suspicion to strike me as bussing. Marcher's response is harsh in a way that suggests genuine annoyance about something, though I can't really say what.

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Still need to think over what to make of dunya 180’ing her read on my slot. It feels so brazen it wraps all the way from wolfy opportunism to townie

Maybe wolf just a wolf tho

The quick follow-up post suggests that Marcher felt the first one lacked commitment. So are they trying to distance from a partner, or sell a phony suspicion on a civilian? My gut tells me the latter based on previous posts.
dunya is afraid to bus a teammate, for what it's worth.

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Still need to think over what to make of dunya 180’ing her read on my slot. It feels so brazen it wraps all the way from wolfy opportunism to townie

sorry, but your contrary behavior towards lissa on not having definite reads and then hitting us with that weird null pile is just super wolfy to me.

There’s a reason why I didn’t ask another question when Lissa after bluntly stated that sloonei null and nutella lean town. “I don’t want to decide” isn’t a read. “null” is.

This feels like an organic exchange. That would be a good look for dunya as well.

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but you were obviously saved twice now, so i'm just thinking "logically" because apparently that's what all the cool cats do nowadays and i'm old fashioned because i don't follow that.

moth can take a scum lean too. he intentionally left his vote on someone who doesn't matter in day 2 and that's bad. he should have took a stance and weighed in. there's no way a townie only has 1 scum read in a game with 20+ players.

Why aren’t you talking about me here? Like I’ve been a wagon at both eods and have dodged the elimination both times. You’ve already been suspicious of me and voted me before? Where’s your read at right now?

I don't think this is partners.

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Dunya is a few things. Like her early posts on d1 felt a bit dunya.exe (though that might be just a multitabling thing) and her sheep onto radishes and eod in general feels kinda ehhhh. d2 feels fine and actually feels good vibes but I know she's a good player and has nothing really clearing her and stepping between a tvt tunnel and saying "I think you're both town" is a classic move for cred

what does dunya.exe mean?

how do you know these things about me?

Didn't you have the highest winrate in the site for a bit?

Dunya.exe meant like sorta falling back onto basic playing mafia stuff. Like look at this conflict. eval this thing and say results. eval that thing and say results. say input into this conflict. dump reads here. without having the sort of typical random tangents and little pokings.

Okay yeah this is not partners.

I'm gonna cut this short and post it now because allergies are making my eyes water and it's uncomfortable to sit here reading and reacting to a ton of posts right now. I may resume later, but it's 2 AM all of a sudden.

Dunya - I'd confidently say that these two are not partners. I have not looked at the other side of the interactions yet, though, so I'll refrain from awarding dunya with a much-coveted dark green for now. But I think a vote for dunya would be ill-advised.

[bronana]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine go do things. Give me like a top 3 / bottom 3 reads.

top 3:
bronana-I don't think mafia keeps pushing me like this. It's a townie tunnel.
carotenoid- I've kinda just conceded and conf-biased myself into not reevaling this slot til lylo. Checked the iso and it only strengthened my convictions
nutella- Feeling townie vibes from her recent postings

bottom 3:
Lissa- Bleedingly opportunistic in jumping onto my wagon and her push on me
outed wolf- said he'd ramp up and deliver reads and stuff overnight. did not deliver
Mac- has done absolutely nothing all game and we're just letting it keep going?

Suddenly brings up Mac with this pretty harshly worded read then never mentions him again.

Pretty sure Mac is a wolf.

[bronana]

[VOTE: MacDougall ] aubergine

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

i like the feel of this

[bronana]

I agree that Sloonei is town.

Jovian works to fuel the mistrust of TH's doc claim, and then votes right after Sloonei does.

I'm happy with the Jovian wagon.

Ok marcher, let's try it: [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

yeah ok cfd long con lmao

Never mentions long con again -- doesn't feel like a genuine reaction.

Also if you look at the most recent posts in Mac's iso it almost reads like he is lolcatting tbh.

[nutella]

Honestly I can rather easily see the opposite perspective you have of a lot of those dunya interactions

[bronana]

Anyone taking issue with me coloring my own name in green, sorry but I made this mostly as a reference for myself.

Day 3 not very useful yet but here:

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- Mac hasn't seemed to really give a shit about the wagons, off-wagon on his Lissa/Sloonei thing d1 and d3. But he did vote Turnip d2. Possibly implies, if a wolf, he's paired with Wilgy but not Carot. Would be a bit careless.

Checked his iso, Mac wasn't around EOD1. Was around EOD2 and from how it went down, I think Mac + Wilgy as wolves make a lot of sense. Hell, throw in Tony. I think it's also possible Carot is a wolf - Tony and Mac were not around EOD1, Wilgy made sure to vote Radishes. It's possible Marcher was channeling some very real frustration at how close carot came to being yeeted afterwards. Now that I say, it actually makes a ton of sense.

Then they all pretty much teamed up to kill the doctor d2 over Wilgy.

Wolves voting as a bloc, I respect it a lot. Even now I think people will be skeptical of what I'm laying down because they think wolves wouldn't vote together so clearly, but i dunno man. That grouping makes a LOT of sense. And frankly I am not seeing very many candidates for wolves outside of that bloc. Except cayvie, perhaps. And I'm still a little wary of Sloonei I guess, but Mac probably does not tunnel him liek that as w/w lol. Maybe I should actually even take out Tony for cayvie.

Marcher / Mac / Wilgy / Carot / {cayvie or TonyStark}

Possibly getting ahead of myself here but thoughts?

[bronana]

Feels pretty right though.

[bronana]

Oh, Long Con should probably be included as a possibility.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

How well do you [lissa/bronana/outed wolf] know each other? Pretty well, a bit, friendly acquaintances, etc.?

[bronana]

How well do you [lissa/bronana/outed wolf] know each other? Pretty well, a bit, friendly acquaintances, etc.?

Extremely well. We've played a lot of games together. Hell, I've been playing with Visor for almost a decade now.

[nutella]

why not motobot lol

[bronana]

why not motobot lol

idk doesnt seem like he's with wilgy

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

How well do you [lissa/bronana/outed wolf] know each other? Pretty well, a bit, friendly acquaintances, etc.?

Extremely well. We've played a lot of games together. Hell, I've been playing with Visor for almost a decade now.

Should’ve phrased better, sorry

How well do you read each other? Familiarity doesn’t always translate to readability unfortunately

[bronana]

How well do you [lissa/bronana/outed wolf] know each other? Pretty well, a bit, friendly acquaintances, etc.?

Extremely well. We've played a lot of games together. Hell, I've been playing with Visor for almost a decade now.

I actually hosted the first game of mafia visor ever played (it was a dogshit setup lol)

Lissa and I were wolfbros on my first real game on mu (also a dogshit setup lol)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

In a related question what’s your outed wolf read

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Cause tbh I’m pretty close to just saying all three of you are town and ignoring it and blaming whomever of you is town if that’s wrong lolol

[bronana]

How well do you [lissa/bronana/outed wolf] know each other? Pretty well, a bit, friendly acquaintances, etc.?

Extremely well. We've played a lot of games together. Hell, I've been playing with Visor for almost a decade now.

Should’ve phrased better, sorry

How well do you read each other? Familiarity doesn’t always translate to readability unfortunately

Eh? a lot of those games are turbos are mashes which aren't super applicable to normal games

It used to be a meme that lissa always townread wolf visor, but I don't think that's as much of a thing anymore

lissa and I pmuch always defend each other as v/v, but have also had games where we got pocketed hard by the other. Partly because we tend to just think about the game in very similar ways.

I think Visor is a good lissa reader, it's why I asked him about her early. But not perfect. If she was wolfing and he wasn't, he'd probably have caught it by now

I honestly don't remember the last time Visor was a wolf in a game with me where I was not also a wolf. Chess Mafia on POG in 2016? Is that really it? wow. anyway I think we reach other decently well, though again not perfectly. Both quick to paranoia on the other, but also plenty of games where we were quick to villabro it up.

I really don't think Lissa is a wolf. I suppose visor (outed wolf) could be, but seems unlikely at this point.

[bronana]

Cause tbh I’m pretty close to just saying all three of you are town and ignoring it and blaming whomever of you is town if that’s wrong lolol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m independently TRing Lissa but that’s based on a sample size of one in a team game so it’s not particularly useful

But I’m pretending it is and using that read to just clear all three of you lulz

I have like 8 town now this is great

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And there’s probably only two wolves in that eight

[bronana]

@Marcher Jovian

@Marcher Jovian considering most of it was like half an hour into D0 I don't think I'd even call it that much of a thing, really

I don't have that much of a takeaway from it

I don't like this response. It feels really wishy-washy "I am neutral and have no strong opinions one way or the other".

@Lissa
Out of:
town/town
nutella wolf
sloonei wolf
scum/scum

where are you leaning right now. I don't care if you want to qualify it by saying it's only by the razor-thinnest of margins. just tell me where your head's at right now.

Do you mind sharing your thoughts in this or would you prefer that Lissa answer first?

I want Lissa to answer

What’s your read on ted?
What’s your read on bronana?

ted: scum
bronana: town

ted: scum
bronana: town

Why? x2

ted started out just reading the thread, meming with a few gifs at stuff, and peacing out. Then there was a brief period where ted was doing stuff. now ted's just tunneling me for bad reasons and is ignoring anything else. no one really wants to vote out the tunneler. they'll just say "oh it's town but wrong" and if he gets his way and I flip they're more likely to look at the bandwagoners than at ted himself. It's an easy strategy that'll end up with ted spewing nothing, avoiding talking about half the game, and safely getting through probably at least the first 2 days with limited suspicion.

bronana: like the questions he's asking, they're ones I would have asked ones I wish I would have asked

Feels like Marcher is interacting with a villager here.

[cayvie]

Anyone taking issue with me coloring my own name in green, sorry but I made this mostly as a reference for myself.

Day 3 not very useful yet but here:

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- Mac hasn't seemed to really give a shit about the wagons, off-wagon on his Lissa/Sloonei thing d1 and d3. But he did vote Turnip d2. Possibly implies, if a wolf, he's paired with Wilgy but not Carot. Would be a bit careless.

Checked his iso, Mac wasn't around EOD1. Was around EOD2 and from how it went down, I think Mac + Wilgy as wolves make a lot of sense. Hell, throw in Tony. I think it's also possible Carot is a wolf - Tony and Mac were not around EOD1, Wilgy made sure to vote Radishes. It's possible Marcher was channeling some very real frustration at how close carot came to being yeeted afterwards. Now that I say, it actually makes a ton of sense.

Then they all pretty much teamed up to kill the doctor d2 over Wilgy.

Wolves voting as a bloc, I respect it a lot. Even now I think people will be skeptical of what I'm laying down because they think wolves wouldn't vote together so clearly, but i dunno man. That grouping makes a LOT of sense. And frankly I am not seeing very many candidates for wolves outside of that bloc. Except cayvie, perhaps. And I'm still a little wary of Sloonei I guess, but Mac probably does not tunnel him liek that as w/w lol. Maybe I should actually even take out Tony for cayvie.

Marcher / Mac / Wilgy / Carot / {cayvie or TonyStark}

Possibly getting ahead of myself here but thoughts?

by wolves voting as a bloc are you just referring to the 3 who moved onto sloonei in your spoilered part? i've been reading this post over and trying to figure out what you're talking about but also im on like no sleep so im probably missing something obvious