Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

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How would you rate this G-Man game based on his matrix?

LOL
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OMG
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WTF
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FFS
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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this is obviously assuming a 3-person team but I think that's a fair assumption for a 15er?
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I don't think a scum partner at risk of getting doinked by poison ever busses Wilgy there because if the bus goes through you potentially just autolose

so that's Hally and Epi, of Wilgy voters

Ash/Wilgy
Ash/Epi
Ash/Hally
Ash/Nanook
Ash/Poison

Wilgy/Nanook
Wilgy/Poison

Epi/Hally
Epi/Nanook
Epi/Poison

Hally/Nanook
Hally/Poison

Nanook/Poison
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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I think whether Hally/Nanook is a viable pairing depends entirely on whether scum!Hally has a way to stop themself from being poisoned

if they *do* have a way to do that then bussing them there yesterday doesn't really make sense? I think scum would probably leave scum!Hally for another day there

if they *don't* have a way to do that then bussing them is fairly plausible, since they're dying anyway and it allows scum to potentially get some slight cred as well as making yesterday kind of useless

Ash/Wilgy
Ash/Epi
Ash/Hally
Ash/Nanook
Ash/Poison

Wilgy/Nanook
Wilgy/Poison

Epi/Hally
Epi/Nanook
Epi/Poison

Hally/Nanook*
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Nanook/Poison
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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vaguely tempted to just not look at Ash pairings because he almost always dies tonight if he's a villager and I'm slightly lazy (not going to explain why Ash specifically in case wolves somehow haven't noticed)
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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me: tries to get down my thoughts overnight

the wolves that know that if both poisons land on villagers they win:

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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Arete is such a villager lol.

I like the approach to solving and I will take inspiration from steal it. Green = Compatible, Yellow = Plausible, but a stretch, Red = Not plausible. Reasons in spoilers.

Hally/Nook
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In this world the team super hard-aligned day one, with Nook hard townreading Tony, Hally hard townreading Nook, Nook hard defending Tony, and Hally arguing for everyone to sheep Nook. All three ended on TripleHaven.

On day 2 they split 2/1 on v/v wagons. Day 3 they both went on LC to save Hally. Day 4 they split on 112/wilgy which in this world are v/v. Only now with Hally infected has Nook started to distance from her.

If this is the team, it's an exceptionally bold, shameless powerwolfing team.
Hally/Poison
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In this world Hally super hard town reads her partner, multiple times declaring her an innocent child. Poison as far as I can recall doesn't have a lot to say about Hally. Poison busses Tony while Hally saves him. It's... plausible, I guess. One on, one off a wolf wagon is a thing that happens.

Day 2 they split 2/1. Ok. Day 3 Poison comes in when wagons are tied between Hally and LC and saves Hally. And day 4 they split on, again, what would be v/v wagons.

Outside of individual townreads, this is a world that can't be ruled out.
Hally/Arete
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In this world the team full on saves Tony d1. 2/1 d2, saves Hally d3, splits d4. Plausible.
Hally/Wilgy
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Finally, we get a world we can straight up rule out. In this world after Tony's flip, the team needs Hally to win in f3. It's not realistic that Wilgy can do it. So it's just suicidal for him to hard push Hally on d3 like he did. This is not the team.
Hally/Epi
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In this world town split 4/1 on 112/Wilgy. Seems unlikely. Look elsewhere first.
Nook/Poison
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This world makes no sense wagon wise. All 3 wolves on Michelle over LC, followed by both wolves lynching LC in preference to town Hally? When Poison had the deciding vote? Yeah, no. This isn't the world.
Nook/Arete
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Again, I don't buy both wolves lynching LC over town Hally.
Nook/Wilgy
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In this world Wilgy is some kind of super hard busser, sitting offwagon with a vote on his partner d4. This is just a weird world to think about, and I want to just rule it out but I don't think I absolutely can?
Nook/Epi
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This is another "wolves save town Hally for no reason" world.
Poison/Arete
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Full teams on Michelle d2 and LC d3. Not the world.
Poison/Wilgy
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There's actually nothing to rule this out. Could be real.
Poison/Epi
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Another "wolves save town Hally for no reason" world.
Arete/Wilgy
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Yeah, nothing to rule this out.
Arete/Epi
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Another "wolves save town Hally for no reason" world.
Wilgy/Epi
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There would be some moderately aggressive d4 bussing here. Not out of the question, but given that 112 was very much a live option and Epi had clearly signalled suspicion there, it was unnecessary and risky for him to vote his partner instead, especially since Wilgy didn't self pres. I doubt this is the world.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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I'm a little concerned that I might be overweighting the assumption that wolves would always have at least one vote on Hally if she's town. That one assumption is leading me to rule out a lot of worlds.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Also note that the above analysis is just looking at compatibility, not the likelihood of any particular individual being a wolf.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Game wouldn’t necessarily end if both poisons are town as scum could potentially NK a poisoned town

It does confirm there’s only two mafia alive tho or game would be over either way
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Potentially there’s a third town PR that can stop a poison but uh

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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Can I propose that we not give scum instructions for how to make an autowin more likely (if Hally is town etc.)
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Re: Escape From Russia

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G-Man wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:54 pm
This closed setup game is for 15 players. As a Heist, there are only three power roles in the game. I will be using the following standard G-Man Game matrix:
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Nanook it's a matrix game, the third PR has to be scum aligned

thinking we're most likely in set-up 1

(this is a joke but not, like, that much of a joke)
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Re: Escape From Russia

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Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:09 pm
G-Man wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:54 pm
This closed setup game is for 15 players. As a Heist, there are only three power roles in the game. I will be using the following standard G-Man Game matrix:
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Nanook it's a matrix game, the third PR has to be scum aligned

thinking we're most likely in set-up 1

(this is a joke but not, like, that much of a joke)
I’m not sure why you’re presenting this to me as if it’s new information?


Also fwiw IIRC last G-Man game had a town PR a scum PR and an indie PR so I wouldn’t take the matrix thing as gospel, just the “3 PRs in the game” part.
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Re: Escape From Russia

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Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:09 pm
G-Man wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:54 pm
This closed setup game is for 15 players. As a Heist, there are only three power roles in the game. I will be using the following standard G-Man Game matrix:
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LOL
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YCBS
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Nanook it's a matrix game, the third PR has to be scum aligned

thinking we're most likely in set-up 1

(this is a joke but not, like, that much of a joke)

Straight up- that matrix is just me poking fun at the game matrix crowd while also acknowledging that my games typically involve some wacky stuff.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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LVIV AND LET DIE
Monday, June 1st, 2020
6:15 a.m. EEST


Ten minutes into their morning commute from Lviv to Budapest, an attendant approached Sidney and Chelsea and asked if they would like a complimentary warm chocolate chip cookie as a sampler from the dining car.

"Does anyone ever say no?" Chelsea asked, accepting the offer. She had almost forgotten the joy that fresh baked goods could bring to a weary soul.

To Chelsea's surprise, Sidney accepted a cookie as well.

"Now that's something," Chelsea quipped. "I expected you to say no, assuming it was poisoned or something."

"Big Blue is in control now," Sidney said as he scrolled through the news on the smartphone Olek and Wasyl had given him. He'd been starved for information and good food for two months. He was willing to be a glutton for both at the moment.

While he looked at the latest polling data, a text message popped up on the screen.

"Damn," he whispered. He showed the phone to Chelsea.

"That's too bad about Bogdona", she said. "She was looking pretty sick even before we got to the Golden Gate."

"It's sad that she won't get to tell her tale. Secret police pushing doctors out of windows is an old KGB tactic. She and Stanislav could have confirmed that it's more than just a mysterious coincidence."

"Indeed," Chelsea said, finishing her cookie. "But it's wonderful news that Valentina seems to have pulled through."

Another text message popped up.

"So much for top-notch surveillance equipment," Sidney sneered, showing Chelsea the phone again.

"Those Russian bastards do cover their tracks well," she sighed. "I don't know why Big Blue's people don't just interrogate them all to sort out who the bad ones are?"

"Knowing Big Blue," Sidney chuckled, "he's giving the opposition a sporting chance."



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He was Bogdana Alyokhina, an escaped political prisoner and vanilla civvie.




DrWilgy is dead.
He was Evgeni Vitaliyevna, an escaped political prisoner and vanilla civvie.



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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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G-Man wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:44 pm NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME succumbed to the virus.
He was Bogdana Alyokhina, an escaped political prisoner and vanilla civvie.
[VOTE: Hally] aubergine

there's no hammers right? (want to double-check before placing an Actual Real Vote)
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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Ok, so uh.

Hally has some talking to do.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:46 pm
G-Man wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:44 pm NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME succumbed to the virus.
He was Bogdana Alyokhina, an escaped political prisoner and vanilla civvie.
[VOTE: Hally] aubergine

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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:41 pm vaguely tempted to just not look at Ash pairings because he almost always dies tonight if he's a villager and I'm slightly lazy (not going to explain why Ash specifically in case wolves somehow haven't noticed)
ok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)

I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy

them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm I think whether Hally/Nanook is a viable pairing depends entirely on whether scum!Hally has a way to stop themself from being poisoned

if they *do* have a way to do that then bussing them there yesterday doesn't really make sense? I think scum would probably leave scum!Hally for another day there

if they *don't* have a way to do that then bussing them is fairly plausible, since they're dying anyway and it allows scum to potentially get some slight cred as well as making yesterday kind of useless

Ash/Wilgy
Ash/Epi
Ash/Hally
Ash/Nanook
Ash/Poison

Wilgy/Nanook
Wilgy/Poison

Epi/Hally
Epi/Nanook
Epi/Poison

Hally/Nanook*
Hally/Poison

Nanook/Poison
ok so removing pairings that involve Nanook or Wilgy I get:


Ash/Epi
Ash/Hally
Ash/Poison


Epi/Hally
Epi/Poison


Hally/Poison

...and that's, like, all the pairings that are possible with this set of players and everything I did overnight was useless

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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Hmm... So Hally did survive and she was not bluffing about it.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:41 pm vaguely tempted to just not look at Ash pairings because he almost always dies tonight if he's a villager and I'm slightly lazy (not going to explain why Ash specifically in case wolves somehow haven't noticed)
ok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)

I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy

them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
Yeah, I figured that as well. I'm a bit surprised to be here.

It's seems like Hally really does have some sort of doctor ability though so maybe she's town and it was a doc dodge?
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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I dunno though. If I'm saying Hally's town, then I'm looking at some kind of Epi/Poison world or something?
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To be fair, I don't make kills to make me look stupid.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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“hally has some explaining to do”

but i literally cannot explain. i am forbidden
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:41 pm vaguely tempted to just not look at Ash pairings because he almost always dies tonight if he's a villager and I'm slightly lazy (not going to explain why Ash specifically in case wolves somehow haven't noticed)
ok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)

I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy

them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
Tbh, I think killing wilgy over ash might have been a smart move but I csnt be too sure here
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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[VOTE: Arete] aubergine
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Hally wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:57 pm “hally has some explaining to do”

but i literally cannot explain. i am forbidden
I know but tbh, I thought you were just bluffing about it. 2 docs in a game would be miserable if only 3 PRs are there. You must have an immunity. And in a 3 PR game I would not expect someone with immunity.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Ash Lael wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:53 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:41 pm vaguely tempted to just not look at Ash pairings because he almost always dies tonight if he's a villager and I'm slightly lazy (not going to explain why Ash specifically in case wolves somehow haven't noticed)
ok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)

I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy

them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
Yeah, I figured that as well. I'm a bit surprised to be here.

It's seems like Hally really does have some sort of doctor ability though so maybe she's town and it was a doc dodge?
I feel like

ok so I haven't played on this site before so I don't know what people here consider balanced

but 15p Mountainous is considered balanced or slightly scumsided on most competitive-ish sites, JoaT^2 is considered slightly townsided on most sites

town having 2 docs + a poisoner in a 15p with 3 Mafia is more townsided than JoaT^2, I'm pretty sure, so I feel like that wouldn't be balanced and it's really unlikely that a hypothetical town doc would exist in this set-up

the two worlds I can think of where it might count as balanced are:

- if the poisoner is being treated as a negative utility role for balance purposes. I think this is unlikely because ... it literally autopoisons the wolf who killed them if it dies ...
- if there's a 3p (apparently this site likes those) + 2 Mafia alive right now. This is probably actually possible but I'm choosing to ignore this world because I don't think town can win in it, and game theory says that if it's impossible for you to win if X is true you should play as if X is never true

basically what I'm saying is that I think it's highly unlikely that there is a town doc alive
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:58 pm [VOTE: Arete] aubergine
ah yes

as we all know I was trying to save my scum partner Wilgy yesterday

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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:58 pm [VOTE: Arete] aubergine
ah yes

as we all know I was trying to save my scum partner Wilgy yesterday

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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:01 pm
Ash Lael wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:53 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:41 pm vaguely tempted to just not look at Ash pairings because he almost always dies tonight if he's a villager and I'm slightly lazy (not going to explain why Ash specifically in case wolves somehow haven't noticed)
ok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)

I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy

them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
Yeah, I figured that as well. I'm a bit surprised to be here.

It's seems like Hally really does have some sort of doctor ability though so maybe she's town and it was a doc dodge?
I feel like

ok so I haven't played on this site before so I don't know what people here consider balanced

but 15p Mountainous is considered balanced or slightly scumsided on most competitive-ish sites, JoaT^2 is considered slightly townsided on most sites

town having 2 docs + a poisoner in a 15p with 3 Mafia is more townsided than JoaT^2, I'm pretty sure, so I feel like that wouldn't be balanced and it's really unlikely that a hypothetical town doc would exist in this set-up

the two worlds I can think of where it might count as balanced are:

- if the poisoner is being treated as a negative utility role for balance purposes. I think this is unlikely because ... it literally autopoisons the wolf who killed them if it dies ...
- if there's a 3p (apparently this site likes those) + 2 Mafia alive right now. This is probably actually possible but I'm choosing to ignore this world because I don't think town can win in it, and game theory says that if it's impossible for you to win if X is true you should play as if X is never true

basically what I'm saying is that I think it's highly unlikely that there is a town doc alive
I doubt about town doc as well. Besides self healing town doc, isn't that weird?
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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i really don’t know what im allowed to say. i have arguably already said way too much. if you eliminate me over this then fine, that’s what was going to happen anyway. but at least now people have to stop and think about it for a second
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Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:01 pm
Ash Lael wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:53 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:41 pm vaguely tempted to just not look at Ash pairings because he almost always dies tonight if he's a villager and I'm slightly lazy (not going to explain why Ash specifically in case wolves somehow haven't noticed)
ok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)

I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy

them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
Yeah, I figured that as well. I'm a bit surprised to be here.

It's seems like Hally really does have some sort of doctor ability though so maybe she's town and it was a doc dodge?
I feel like

ok so I haven't played on this site before so I don't know what people here consider balanced

but 15p Mountainous is considered balanced or slightly scumsided on most competitive-ish sites, JoaT^2 is considered slightly townsided on most sites

town having 2 docs + a poisoner in a 15p with 3 Mafia is more townsided than JoaT^2, I'm pretty sure, so I feel like that wouldn't be balanced and it's really unlikely that a hypothetical town doc would exist in this set-up

the two worlds I can think of where it might count as balanced are:

- if the poisoner is being treated as a negative utility role for balance purposes. I think this is unlikely because ... it literally autopoisons the wolf who killed them if it dies ...
- if there's a 3p (apparently this site likes those) + 2 Mafia alive right now. This is probably actually possible but I'm choosing to ignore this world because I don't think town can win in it, and game theory says that if it's impossible for you to win if X is true you should play as if X is never true

basically what I'm saying is that I think it's highly unlikely that there is a town doc alive
Mmm. A scum doc is a really weird thing to imagine, but I see what you're saying. It's what Nook was saying too.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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if i died by the virus we’d lose. if we still lose anyway because you all made the wrong call, there is nothing i can do. but i am the reason we still have a game right now
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Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:03 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:58 pm [VOTE: Arete] aubergine
ah yes

as we all know I was trying to save my scum partner Wilgy yesterday

:)
"Kill Wilgy and make Epignosis look stupid."

You are mafia.
so if you're a villager (which I don't think you are, but entertaining it for the sake of argument)

then you're arguing that I, as Mafia, looked at V/V wagons with no one caring to change them, and randomly decided to try to CFD to a different villager for no reason rather than letting you all keep pushing your miselims on 112/Wilgy and taking 0 responsibility

your world makes no sense
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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Hally wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:04 pm i really don’t know what im allowed to say. i have arguably already said way too much. if you eliminate me over this then fine, that’s what was going to happen anyway. but at least now people have to stop and think about it for a second
You're allowed to say who is bad and why. Please stop fixating on this and tell us who is bad. There's a dead bad Tony. Do work. You apparently still like Mafia. I don't. If you aren't willing to do this, say so, and I'll make the adjustment.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:06 pm
Hally wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:04 pm i really don’t know what im allowed to say. i have arguably already said way too much. if you eliminate me over this then fine, that’s what was going to happen anyway. but at least now people have to stop and think about it for a second
You're allowed to say who is bad and why. Please stop fixating on this and tell us who is bad. There's a dead bad Tony. Do work. You apparently still like Mafia. I don't. If you aren't willing to do this, say so, and I'll make the adjustment.
i don’t know epi. i don’t know why wilgy was killed. that’s so random. who did he suspect? me right? lol
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:05 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:03 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:58 pm [VOTE: Arete] aubergine
ah yes

as we all know I was trying to save my scum partner Wilgy yesterday

:)
"Kill Wilgy and make Epignosis look stupid."

You are mafia.
so if you're a villager (which I don't think you are, but entertaining it for the sake of argument)

then you're arguing that I, as Mafia, looked at V/V wagons with no one caring to change them, and randomly decided to try to CFD to a different villager for no reason rather than letting you all keep pushing your miselims on 112/Wilgy and taking 0 responsibility

your world makes no sense
My world is the one I'm living in.

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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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Hally wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:06 pm
Hally wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:04 pm i really don’t know what im allowed to say. i have arguably already said way too much. if you eliminate me over this then fine, that’s what was going to happen anyway. but at least now people have to stop and think about it for a second
You're allowed to say who is bad and why. Please stop fixating on this and tell us who is bad. There's a dead bad Tony. Do work. You apparently still like Mafia. I don't. If you aren't willing to do this, say so, and I'll make the adjustment.
i don’t know epi. i don’t know why wilgy was killed. that’s so random. who did he suspect? me right? lol
I said why it isn't random.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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Hally wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:06 pm
Hally wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:04 pm i really don’t know what im allowed to say. i have arguably already said way too much. if you eliminate me over this then fine, that’s what was going to happen anyway. but at least now people have to stop and think about it for a second
You're allowed to say who is bad and why. Please stop fixating on this and tell us who is bad. There's a dead bad Tony. Do work. You apparently still like Mafia. I don't. If you aren't willing to do this, say so, and I'll make the adjustment.
i don’t know epi. i don’t know why wilgy was killed. that’s so random. who did he suspect? me right? lol
Actually, this brings something to mind.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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[VOTE: Hally] aubergine

I don't believe you have a dead mafia member and you can't even attempt to figure out who is bad. Your 900+ posts are shallow.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:08 pm
Hally wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:06 pm
Hally wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:04 pm i really don’t know what im allowed to say. i have arguably already said way too much. if you eliminate me over this then fine, that’s what was going to happen anyway. but at least now people have to stop and think about it for a second
You're allowed to say who is bad and why. Please stop fixating on this and tell us who is bad. There's a dead bad Tony. Do work. You apparently still like Mafia. I don't. If you aren't willing to do this, say so, and I'll make the adjustment.
i don’t know epi. i don’t know why wilgy was killed. that’s so random. who did he suspect? me right? lol
I said why it isn't random.
to make you look stupid? nah, that’s not it
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:09 pm [VOTE: Hally] aubergine

I don't believe you have a dead mafia member and you can't even attempt to figure out who is bad. Your 900+ posts are shallow.
i checked out of this game a while ago. if you eliminate me for it, fine
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]

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Ash Lael wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:05 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:01 pm
Ash Lael wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:53 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pm
Arete wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:41 pm vaguely tempted to just not look at Ash pairings because he almost always dies tonight if he's a villager and I'm slightly lazy (not going to explain why Ash specifically in case wolves somehow haven't noticed)
ok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)

I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy

them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
Yeah, I figured that as well. I'm a bit surprised to be here.

It's seems like Hally really does have some sort of doctor ability though so maybe she's town and it was a doc dodge?
I feel like

ok so I haven't played on this site before so I don't know what people here consider balanced

but 15p Mountainous is considered balanced or slightly scumsided on most competitive-ish sites, JoaT^2 is considered slightly townsided on most sites

town having 2 docs + a poisoner in a 15p with 3 Mafia is more townsided than JoaT^2, I'm pretty sure, so I feel like that wouldn't be balanced and it's really unlikely that a hypothetical town doc would exist in this set-up

the two worlds I can think of where it might count as balanced are:

- if the poisoner is being treated as a negative utility role for balance purposes. I think this is unlikely because ... it literally autopoisons the wolf who killed them if it dies ...
- if there's a 3p (apparently this site likes those) + 2 Mafia alive right now. This is probably actually possible but I'm choosing to ignore this world because I don't think town can win in it, and game theory says that if it's impossible for you to win if X is true you should play as if X is never true

basically what I'm saying is that I think it's highly unlikely that there is a town doc alive
Mmm. A scum doc is a really weird thing to imagine, but I see what you're saying. It's what Nook was saying too.
I think it kind of makes sense for there to be a scum doc with LC's role, like, I feel like 'autokill the wolf who killed you with almost no counterplay if you die at night' is kinda OP

...honestly the thing that doesn't make sense about a scum doc is why they wouldn't have healed Tony N1

but I don't really think two town docs and a town poisoner makes sense from a set-up balance perspective
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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So I looked back, and there were mafia PRs in this game series before. Hmmm...
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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For those who don't know me, Wilgy is not a kill I make. Wilgy is bait every single time (sorry Wilgy). When I'm bad, kill equity is key.

If you know me well enough, you know I don't kill DrWilgy. I can lynch him for free.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 3]

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DrWilgy wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:55 am
tedxtr wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:16 pm I don’t get it, why are you not considering Nanook or Arete at all, why are they cleared?
Thinking about why Ted died and why 112 flipped Civ.

@Hally If you could keep yourself alive somehow over nook, I think that would be preferred.

Picking up on Ted's crumbs makes me think that Arete is the correct option. Hashing out nook following.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]

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Epignosis wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:11 pm For those who don't know me, Wilgy is not a kill I make. Wilgy is bait every single time (sorry Wilgy). When I'm bad, kill equity is key.

If you know me well enough, you know I don't kill DrWilgy. I can lynch him for free.
so could everyone lol
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