Re: ɒiʇɒM: Mafia Wins

[Scotty]

Where is Queen Poison? Towniest town this side of the cosmos?

I’m still waiting for her town flag to be planted. You as her court jester is amusing tho

[Scotty]

Just skimmed Sabie’s posts.

Not a lot there tbh. Laughy most of d1, not much substance. Shruggy, almost resigned vote on falcon at EoD. Not rocking the boat or pressing anyone.

I currently light scum read her actually, in this reread. Far from a slam dunk, but pretty blendy.

I’m unconvinced right now about how all the mafia would approach this game, so i may be a bit reachy a few posts ago saying all mafia would come into today swinging. Almost equally likely they’re fine with being middle-pack blendy. Obviously no mafia are gunning to get themselves killed. The only person I’ve seen so far saying they’d like to die is actually luckbox. Hasn’t done much today, but I still have a tentative town read on him.

[Scotty]

This set up make me feel weird in a fun way. I warn y’all now, I will probably still fight against being yeeted, it’s compulsive. Ego fail.

Also, everyone knows the most murdery place is an outback Aussie town.

wolfy

Agreed.

I also disagree with Wilgy. Where he calls Poison supatown, I call stronger scum read.

why are you wolf reading them

The birds went tweedly dee and gave me the signal

I'm just calling you a wolf and moving them

lol I remember reading this like 10 times and questioning what you were talking about.

But with you admitting you had me confused with sonny gives severe credence to that, and I townread you right now. I don’t believe a wolftess would have made that error or corrected themself.

I could lynch Tess today

[DaughterOfOmega]

I think hearing from @DaughterOfOmega or @Luckbox Inc today would be good. Otherwise, I think Sabie is on deck.

What would you like to hear about, Dear

[DaughterOfOmega]

I don't like Scotty at all this game, but Gaviale posting seems towny

Why is this?

Is very active, but Scotty isn't coming to OC. Seems to just repeat a scum read someone else has given, my assumption was as mafia he is just waiting for town to give a bad read and then reinforces it.

[Scotty]

I just realized town’s success in this game hinges on people playing to their best town game ability. So those sitting around with their thumbs up their butts will be ok for now, but towards end of game if we’re having to decide between the zodiac killer, the ghost of Elvis and my childhood friend Bryan’s dad who left him in the 2nd grade, we gon have a hard time

[Scotty]

I don't like Scotty at all this game, but Gaviale posting seems towny

Why is this?

Is very active, but Scotty isn't coming to OC. Seems to just repeat a scum read someone else has given, my assumption was as mafia he is just waiting for town to give a bad read and then reinforces it.

You seem to be implying I’m not making reads on my own, which is hilarious because I can’t remember any original reads you have provided thus far

[Scotty]

I don't like Scotty at all this game, but Gaviale posting seems towny

Why is this?

Is very active, but Scotty isn't coming to OC. Seems to just repeat a scum read someone else has given, my assumption was as mafia he is just waiting for town to give a bad read and then reinforces it.

You seem to be implying I’m not making reads on my own, which is hilarious because I can’t remember any original reads you have provided thus far

As an addendum: I agree with NAA that I would like to hear more from you. This is not me with my mind made up, but going on what you’ve given

[NotAnAxehole]

I think hearing from @DaughterOfOmega or @Luckbox Inc today would be good. Otherwise, I think Sabie is on deck.

What would you like to hear about, Dear

Calculus

[NotAnAxehole]

@Scotty I think the appropriate scum strat is to just kill off townies all day every day, and leave an ambiguous finale? I think it's basically impossible for mafia to win this otherwise barring a ridiculous performance by ALL members of the mafia?

The issue for mafia is they all have to die right? So N3 & N5 have to be used to kill off scum players who suck, voting out the good scum players during the day is just bad play for mafia and probably the only way they lose.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Scotty I think the appropriate scum strat is to just kill off townies all day every day, and leave an ambiguous finale? I think it's basically impossible for mafia to win this otherwise barring a ridiculous performance by ALL members of the mafia?

The issue for mafia is they all have to die right? So N3 & N5 have to be used to kill off scum players who suck, voting out the good scum players during the day is just bad play for mafia and probably the only way they lose.

Hence the appropriate strat for town is to kill off question marks on D3 & D5.

[tessepia]

lol I remember reading this like 10 times and questioning what you were talking about.

But with you admitting you had me confused with sonny gives severe credence to that, and I townread you right now. I don’t believe a wolftess would have made that error or corrected themself.

I could lynch Tess today

I thought u made some trolly post about not wanted to be voted when you should want to be, then made a trolly response wolf reading yourself when I didn't like it, so I was annoyed

[tessepia]

I just realized town’s success in this game hinges on people playing to their best town game ability. So those sitting around with their thumbs up their butts will be ok for now, but towards end of game if we’re having to decide between the zodiac killer, the ghost of Elvis and my childhood friend Bryan’s dad who left him in the 2nd grade, we gon have a hard time

I can probably be voted whenever I care to put in effort so I haven't been

Other people don't have that excuse though so they should be

[DrWilgy]

Where is Queen Poison? Towniest town this side of the cosmos?

I’m still waiting for her town flag to be planted. You as her court jester is amusing tho

[DrWilgy]

Just skimmed Sabie’s posts.

Not a lot there tbh. Laughy most of d1, not much substance. Shruggy, almost resigned vote on falcon at EoD. Not rocking the boat or pressing anyone.

I currently light scum read her actually, in this reread. Far from a slam dunk, but pretty blendy.

I’m unconvinced right now about how all the mafia would approach this game, so i may be a bit reachy a few posts ago saying all mafia would come into today swinging. Almost equally likely they’re fine with being middle-pack blendy. Obviously no mafia are gunning to get themselves killed. The only person I’ve seen so far saying they’d like to die is actually luckbox. Hasn’t done much today, but I still have a tentative town read on him.

This nerd calling me scum but not actually reading. Get out of here wolf.

[DrWilgy]

I don't like Scotty at all this game, but Gaviale posting seems towny

Why is this?

Is very active, but Scotty isn't coming to OC. Seems to just repeat a scum read someone else has given, my assumption was as mafia he is just waiting for town to give a bad read and then reinforces it.

I was more concerned about the Gavi part. Ty tho, I like your Scotty take.

[DrWilgy]

@Scotty I think the appropriate scum strat is to just kill off townies all day every day, and leave an ambiguous finale? I think it's basically impossible for mafia to win this otherwise barring a ridiculous performance by ALL members of the mafia?

The issue for mafia is they all have to die right? So N3 & N5 have to be used to kill off scum players who suck, voting out the good scum players during the day is just bad play for mafia and probably the only way they lose.

Hence the appropriate strat for town is to kill off question marks on D3 & D5.

Or we could not waste yeets. D3 & 5 should still have a semblance of POE.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Scotty I think the appropriate scum strat is to just kill off townies all day every day, and leave an ambiguous finale? I think it's basically impossible for mafia to win this otherwise barring a ridiculous performance by ALL members of the mafia?

The issue for mafia is they all have to die right? So N3 & N5 have to be used to kill off scum players who suck, voting out the good scum players during the day is just bad play for mafia and probably the only way they lose.

Hence the appropriate strat for town is to kill off question marks on D3 & D5.

Or we could not waste yeets. D3 & 5 should still have a semblance of POE.

I feel like this guy is just posting for the sake of posting.

[Scotty]

Just skimmed Sabie’s posts.

Not a lot there tbh. Laughy most of d1, not much substance. Shruggy, almost resigned vote on falcon at EoD. Not rocking the boat or pressing anyone.

I currently light scum read her actually, in this reread. Far from a slam dunk, but pretty blendy.

I’m unconvinced right now about how all the mafia would approach this game, so i may be a bit reachy a few posts ago saying all mafia would come into today swinging. Almost equally likely they’re fine with being middle-pack blendy. Obviously no mafia are gunning to get themselves killed. The only person I’ve seen so far saying they’d like to die is actually luckbox. Hasn’t done much today, but I still have a tentative town read on him.

This nerd calling me scum but not actually reading. Get out of here wolf.

OMGUS calling me wolf instead of just saying I have a bad read. What about me is wolf, Wilgy?

[tessepia]

EoD is tomorrow right?

[Scotty]

@Scotty I think the appropriate scum strat is to just kill off townies all day every day, and leave an ambiguous finale? I think it's basically impossible for mafia to win this otherwise barring a ridiculous performance by ALL members of the mafia?

The issue for mafia is they all have to die right? So N3 & N5 have to be used to kill off scum players who suck, voting out the good scum players during the day is just bad play for mafia and probably the only way they lose.

Huh, somehow I missed the part in the rules where scum can kill their own if they haven’t yet by n3. That’s mighty interesting. I wonder if they’ve thought out their operating strategy, or are just flying by the seat of their pants.

I can’t quite wrap my head around the optimal kill. Like if everyone and their mother thinks Wilgy is bad, and he is, he should be the one to die n3 I guess. Or not, just for WIFOM. I dunno. I’m bad at NK strategy, because I do stuff that makes sense to my pea brain, and not what the majority of people would think. Probably.

So I’ll sheep your strategy in that

[Scotty]

EoD is tomorrow right?

Yeah, looks to be abbreviated and back on schedule at 9p est

[tessepia]

@Scotty I think the appropriate scum strat is to just kill off townies all day every day, and leave an ambiguous finale? I think it's basically impossible for mafia to win this otherwise barring a ridiculous performance by ALL members of the mafia?

The issue for mafia is they all have to die right? So N3 & N5 have to be used to kill off scum players who suck, voting out the good scum players during the day is just bad play for mafia and probably the only way they lose.

Huh, somehow I missed the part in the rules where scum can kill their own if they haven’t yet by n3. That’s mighty interesting. I wonder if they’ve thought out their operating strategy, or are just flying by the seat of their pants.

I can’t quite wrap my head around the optimal kill. Like if everyone and their mother thinks Wilgy is bad, and he is, he should be the one to die n3 I guess. Or not, just for WIFOM. I dunno. I’m bad at NK strategy, because I do stuff that makes sense to my pea brain, and not what the majority of people would think. Probably.

So I’ll sheep your strategy in that

NAA is kinda wolfy idk why you town read them

[Scotty]

@Scotty I think the appropriate scum strat is to just kill off townies all day every day, and leave an ambiguous finale? I think it's basically impossible for mafia to win this otherwise barring a ridiculous performance by ALL members of the mafia?

The issue for mafia is they all have to die right? So N3 & N5 have to be used to kill off scum players who suck, voting out the good scum players during the day is just bad play for mafia and probably the only way they lose.

Huh, somehow I missed the part in the rules where scum can kill their own if they haven’t yet by n3. That’s mighty interesting. I wonder if they’ve thought out their operating strategy, or are just flying by the seat of their pants.

I can’t quite wrap my head around the optimal kill. Like if everyone and their mother thinks Wilgy is bad, and he is, he should be the one to die n3 I guess. Or not, just for WIFOM. I dunno. I’m bad at NK strategy, because I do stuff that makes sense to my pea brain, and not what the majority of people would think. Probably.

So I’ll sheep your strategy in that

NAA is kinda wolfy idk why you town read them

If he’s town, he’s a good town voice. I think the discrepancy is his operating under a level of game awareness that I don’t quite understand but sounds logical.

If he’s wolf, he’s still offering things to the table. He’s also one of the most vocal, so if he’s bad, the more he talks the more we can analyze later.

Note that I’d rather vote luckbox, tsp or even you before NAA right now. Out of those 4, he is the one most likely to be a powerwolf. But I’m fine with looking elsewhere right now.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Scotty I think the appropriate scum strat is to just kill off townies all day every day, and leave an ambiguous finale? I think it's basically impossible for mafia to win this otherwise barring a ridiculous performance by ALL members of the mafia?

The issue for mafia is they all have to die right? So N3 & N5 have to be used to kill off scum players who suck, voting out the good scum players during the day is just bad play for mafia and probably the only way they lose.

Huh, somehow I missed the part in the rules where scum can kill their own if they haven’t yet by n3. That’s mighty interesting. I wonder if they’ve thought out their operating strategy, or are just flying by the seat of their pants.

I can’t quite wrap my head around the optimal kill. Like if everyone and their mother thinks Wilgy is bad, and he is, he should be the one to die n3 I guess. Or not, just for WIFOM. I dunno. I’m bad at NK strategy, because I do stuff that makes sense to my pea brain, and not what the majority of people would think. Probably.

So I’ll sheep your strategy in that

NAA is kinda wolfy idk why you town read them

Scotty's just better at reading me than you are apparently.

[NotAnAxehole]

Correction, I guess not

[Scotty]

Would love other input on this:

Unless I missed something, we don’t know how many mafia there are in this game do we?

15 mountainous would be basically 3 v 12 right? Or would 4 v 11 make more sense?

And using NAA’s own strategy, I wouldn’t be against even voting him d3 if we haven’t lynched a mafia yet. If he’s a powerwolf, they’ll have to regroup. If he’s good, we celebrate with hot pockets and apple sauce

[NotAnAxehole]

Would love other input on this:

Unless I missed something, we don’t know how many mafia there are in this game do we?

15 mountainous would be basically 3 v 12 right? Or would 4 v 11 make more sense?

And using NAA’s own strategy, I wouldn’t be against even voting him d3 if we haven’t lynched a mafia yet. If he’s a powerwolf, they’ll have to regroup. If he’s good, we celebrate with hot pockets and apple sauce

Also, using this strategy I think Tessepia is a better kill than Scotty.

[Scotty]

Would love other input on this:

Unless I missed something, we don’t know how many mafia there are in this game do we?

15 mountainous would be basically 3 v 12 right? Or would 4 v 11 make more sense?

And using NAA’s own strategy, I wouldn’t be against even voting him d3 if we haven’t lynched a mafia yet. If he’s a powerwolf, they’ll have to regroup. If he’s good, we celebrate with hot pockets and apple sauce

Also, using this strategy I think Tessepia is a better kill than Scotty.

On d3 you mean?

And how many mafia do you think there are?

[NotAnAxehole]

Would love other input on this:

Unless I missed something, we don’t know how many mafia there are in this game do we?

15 mountainous would be basically 3 v 12 right? Or would 4 v 11 make more sense?

And using NAA’s own strategy, I wouldn’t be against even voting him d3 if we haven’t lynched a mafia yet. If he’s a powerwolf, they’ll have to regroup. If he’s good, we celebrate with hot pockets and apple sauce

Also, using this strategy I think Tessepia is a better kill than Scotty.

On d3 you mean?

And how many mafia do you think there are?

These are Mickey Mouse questions.

[G-Man]

There seems to be some confusion about the makeup of the game. In the sign-up thread, I had the faction numbers front-and-center, but it seems that I did not add that to the OP of the game thread.

In case there is any doubt for those who may have missed it...

Power Roles: 0

Factions: 12 civvies against a 3-player mafia team

I will add it to the OP of the game thread as well.


@DaughterOfOmega
@Dolby
@DrWilgy
@Gavial
@Luckbox Inc
@Marmot
@NotAnAxehole
@Poison
@Ruri
@Scotty
@sabie12
@tessepia
@TonyStarkPrime

[Scotty]

Would love other input on this:

Unless I missed something, we don’t know how many mafia there are in this game do we?

15 mountainous would be basically 3 v 12 right? Or would 4 v 11 make more sense?

And using NAA’s own strategy, I wouldn’t be against even voting him d3 if we haven’t lynched a mafia yet. If he’s a powerwolf, they’ll have to regroup. If he’s good, we celebrate with hot pockets and apple sauce

Also, using this strategy I think Tessepia is a better kill than Scotty.

On d3 you mean?

And how many mafia do you think there are?

These are Mickey Mouse questions.

Looks like Walt Disney himself answered

But gawrsh, thanks for the comment

[NotAnAxehole]

Note to hosts, never try to fix a mistake / gameplay-related thing with an in-game post... I think this confirms Scotty as town, right? (I mean he's been angleshooting all day pretty much)

[Scotty]

Note to hosts, never try to fix a mistake / gameplay-related thing with an in-game post... I think this confirms Scotty as town, right? (I mean he's been angleshooting all day pretty much)

Wait, what angleshooting?

You with all this angleshooting talk. I don’t even understand what you’re talking about

[NotAnAxehole]

Note to hosts, never try to fix a mistake / gameplay-related thing with an in-game post... I think this confirms Scotty as town, right? (I mean he's been angleshooting all day pretty much)

Wait, what angleshooting?

You with all this angleshooting talk. I don’t even understand what you’re talking about

t O N e reads

It's all I'm good at.

[sabie12]

I think tsp or tessepia seem towny and either one seems okay for today. They seem genuine in their posting to me. I'm hoping to be less busy and be able to be around more tomorrow and for eod.

[sabie12]

Where is Queen Poison? Towniest town this side of the cosmos?

What convinced you that poison is for sure town?

[DrWilgy]

Where is Queen Poison? Towniest town this side of the cosmos?

What convinced you that poison is for sure town?

Lol

[DrWilgy]

Just skimmed Sabie’s posts.

Not a lot there tbh. Laughy most of d1, not much substance. Shruggy, almost resigned vote on falcon at EoD. Not rocking the boat or pressing anyone.

I currently light scum read her actually, in this reread. Far from a slam dunk, but pretty blendy.

I’m unconvinced right now about how all the mafia would approach this game, so i may be a bit reachy a few posts ago saying all mafia would come into today swinging. Almost equally likely they’re fine with being middle-pack blendy. Obviously no mafia are gunning to get themselves killed. The only person I’ve seen so far saying they’d like to die is actually luckbox. Hasn’t done much today, but I still have a tentative town read on him.

This nerd calling me scum but not actually reading. Get out of here wolf.

OMGUS calling me wolf instead of just saying I have a bad read. What about me is wolf, Wilgy?

It's not a bad read. It's one that was made being uninformed and stuck to in spite of being uninformed. I.e. you are forcing it. I'd believe that the Scotty who legitimately suss's me wouldn't have missed the fact that I too have argued that it would be in mafia's favor to attempt to die hard and early.

[DrWilgy]

@Scotty I think the appropriate scum strat is to just kill off townies all day every day, and leave an ambiguous finale? I think it's basically impossible for mafia to win this otherwise barring a ridiculous performance by ALL members of the mafia?

The issue for mafia is they all have to die right? So N3 & N5 have to be used to kill off scum players who suck, voting out the good scum players during the day is just bad play for mafia and probably the only way they lose.

Hence the appropriate strat for town is to kill off question marks on D3 & D5.

Or we could not waste yeets. D3 & 5 should still have a semblance of POE.

I feel like this guy is just posting for the sake of posting.

Says the person who multicolor jestered. Get out of here and don't discredit. Every yeet is important and we shouldn't throw votes willy nilly as you suggest.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I don't like Scotty at all this game, but Gaviale posting seems towny

Why is this?

Is very active, but Scotty isn't coming to OC. Seems to just repeat a scum read someone else has given, my assumption was as mafia he is just waiting for town to give a bad read and then reinforces it.

You seem to be implying I’m not making reads on my own, which is hilarious because I can’t remember any original reads you have provided thus far

Isn't this an original read you are replying to?

:hmm:

[Scotty]

I don't like Scotty at all this game, but Gaviale posting seems towny

Why is this?

Is very active, but Scotty isn't coming to OC. Seems to just repeat a scum read someone else has given, my assumption was as mafia he is just waiting for town to give a bad read and then reinforces it.

You seem to be implying I’m not making reads on my own, which is hilarious because I can’t remember any original reads you have provided thus far

Isn't this an original read you are replying to?

:hmm:

I can’t remember.


So in summary, you don’t like me (which I assume means you think I’m scum and not just making a dart board with my face as the bullseye in your parlor) and gavial is towny.

Got any other thoughts on people?

[Gavial]

Just skimmed Sabie’s posts.

Not a lot there tbh. Laughy most of d1, not much substance. Shruggy, almost resigned vote on falcon at EoD. Not rocking the boat or pressing anyone.

I currently light scum read her actually, in this reread. Far from a slam dunk, but pretty blendy.

I’m unconvinced right now about how all the mafia would approach this game, so i may be a bit reachy a few posts ago saying all mafia would come into today swinging. Almost equally likely they’re fine with being middle-pack blendy. Obviously no mafia are gunning to get themselves killed. The only person I’ve seen so far saying they’d like to die is actually luckbox. Hasn’t done much today, but I still have a tentative town read on him.

This nerd calling me scum but not actually reading. Get out of here wolf.

OMGUS calling me wolf instead of just saying I have a bad read. What about me is wolf, Wilgy?

It's not a bad read. It's one that was made being uninformed and stuck to in spite of being uninformed. I.e. you are forcing it. I'd believe that the Scotty who legitimately suss's me wouldn't have missed the fact that I too have argued that it would be in mafia's favor to attempt to die hard and early.

@Scotty I think the appropriate scum strat is to just kill off townies all day every day, and leave an ambiguous finale? I think it's basically impossible for mafia to win this otherwise barring a ridiculous performance by ALL members of the mafia?

The issue for mafia is they all have to die right? So N3 & N5 have to be used to kill off scum players who suck, voting out the good scum players during the day is just bad play for mafia and probably the only way they lose.

Hence the appropriate strat for town is to kill off question marks on D3 & D5.

Or we could not waste yeets. D3 & 5 should still have a semblance of POE.

I feel like this guy is just posting for the sake of posting.

Says the person who multicolor jestered. Get out of here and don't discredit. Every yeet is important and we shouldn't throw votes willy nilly as you suggest.

And the Town Read of tonight goes tooooooo Wigly!
Congratulations on an amazing performance!

What passion and acts of genuine within these posts!
What responses! Very good very good.

[Ruri]

I wonder if this is some jester game. I vote Luckbox.

[Ruri]

I just realized town’s success in this game hinges on people playing to their best town game ability. So those sitting around with their thumbs up their butts will be ok for now, but towards end of game if we’re having to decide between the zodiac killer, the ghost of Elvis and my childhood friend Bryan’s dad who left him in the 2nd grade, we gon have a hard time

I'm playing to best of my ability.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I definitely find Ruri sketch

[Ruri]

I'm always sketch.

[Ruri]

I wonder if optimal play is to just vote out the lurkers. Those who post a lot should be easy to solve towards late-game. Or, we should always leave the most obvious townie in the game. Since mafia will get a free kill on their own if this is past D3, it also might be better to vote out one mafia just before that.. Prevents them from picking someone they're sure won't be voted out.

[sabie12]

I wonder if this is some jester game. I vote Luckbox.

I mean it kind of is seeing as how the goal is to be voted out but there are no PRs or anything.

I wonder if optimal play is to just vote out the lurkers. Those who post a lot should be easy to solve towards late-game. Or, we should always leave the most obvious townie in the game. Since mafia will get a free kill on their own if this is past D3, it also might be better to vote out one mafia just before that.. Prevents them from picking someone they're sure won't be voted out.

Sounds kind of like what others have been suggesting. Do you have someone in mind that you would vote out that you think is potential mafia?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Optimal play tomorrow: make an ordered list, chop from the top. Think then very carefully about which of their own the wolves kill. Then throw out the list