The Syndicate

I wouldn't include Reywas in low-posters. He should have a separate category

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:11 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:06 pm Dunya, I do understand what you're saying about his interactions with Mac looking bad. I will look back at that particularly.
You can check the interactive analysis jay did if thise are up your alley though Jay still town read him after that iirc. Something about him seeming genuine. Whatever

Your concern seems genuine (I wouldn't say valid, 'cause they're wrong after all

), but I honestly can't say anything else. You've talked ad nauseam about the Mac stuff, and the Juliets stuff isn't as deep. All I can say is that I felt bad and it's not Mafia guilt 'cause I'm good

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:00 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:57 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:45 pm yeah you're resembling your community self more and more.
yikes! I guess I need to take a look at that. I have back and forth on nova this whole game but landed on "good" when the interactive analysis made he and Jack look not compatible. I am capable of being fooled though.

lol that cat gif is great!
Well the community comparison was a bit of an overstatement for him being a troll in response to my valid concerns ;p

I'm just joking around

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:57 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:45 pm yeah you're resembling your community self more and more.
yikes! I guess I need to take a look at that. I have back and forth on nova this whole game but landed on "good" when the interactive analysis made he and Jack look not compatible. I am capable of being fooled though.

lol that cat gif is great!

Don't listen to her. You're actually the person that read me the best I believe

Jay, please come help me

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:45 pm yeah you're resembling your community self more and more.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:37 pm why does townie nova apologize to juliets and just move on. it felt like mafia guilt.

human guilt

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:36 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:33 pm Now hold it right there Dunya, that outcry ain't my fault lol. I was messing around and thinking outloud, my apology to Juliets was because I felt bad she had to deal with all that stuff. Wouldn't a Townie apologize as well in that scenario? Why does it have to be a Mafia apology lol?
a townie would apologize to another townie. why didn't you consider juliets could be mafia like everyone else was?

I was apologizing to juliets the human being lol.

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:30 pm @dunya
Oh sorry, I thought you asked about Luna. I reread Nova last night along with a couple others, and I’m neutral on him. I’d like to observe a bit longer because I can’t really decide. His explanation for his vote on Mac day seemed acceptable. But today? The only reason I can think of for a vote on someone else is in case a vote switcher is in the game.

Do you have a gripe with someone voting off of guaranteed lynch? I don't think Jack having 11 votes instead of 10 would change much

Now hold it right there Dunya, that outcry ain't my fault lol. I was messing around and thinking outloud, my apology to Juliets was because I felt bad she had to deal with all that stuff. Wouldn't a Townie apologize as well in that scenario? Why does it have to be a Mafia apology lol?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:15 pm Like, even nova's refusal to lynch Mac, while questionable, it's fairly believable for a civ. He came in, saw a suspicious wagon and got paranoid. I do that all the time myself.
questionable? it was fucking awful and exactly what i expect a possible save to look like. he's already defended himself against this and cant really say more to appease me, but i can't shake the nagging feeling away. how carelessly he handled it, like it was nothing after mac was a big suspect felt like teammate tmi (hi, teammate, i gtg later but i'm gonna make sure my distancing doesnt get you lynched before i disappear). i think i just stated my biggest beef with nova.

also, that post "does juliets know the answer to these?" and coming in after creating such a fucking outcry over that to say "lol sorry juliets" was kinda bad looking--mafia apologizing to juliets for creating real frustration kinda bad.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:04 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:45 pm We have like what? 2/3 bad left?

The consensus suspects are Luna, Niju, Eloh, Leetic and Neverwhere. 3 out of them have like less than 10 posts and no participation whatsoever. Luna dropped off the face of the earth a while back, and she wasn't exactly a paragon of activity and contribution prior to that. Eloh is faring a bit betting than them, but nothing impressive.

Do we believe that the remaining baddies are amongst these 5? It'd be something.
why is ddl out of your poe?

Those 5 names are the results of a GTH we had earlier. As for my PoE, I feel kind of good about DDL and have been throughout the game. He's green

I could see an Eloh-Luna connection

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:50 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:45 pm We have like what? 2/3 bad left?

The consensus suspects are Luna, Niju, Eloh, Leetic and Neverwhere. 3 out of them have like less than 10 posts and no participation whatsoever. Luna dropped off the face of the earth a while back, and she wasn't exactly a paragon of activity and contribution prior to that. Eloh is faring a bit betting than them, but nothing impressive.

Do we believe that the remaining baddies are amongst these 5? It'd be something.
nova you suggested earlier you thought speed was bad. Is there anything in particular you are seeing there? Or were you just joking with me? I'm thinking about this 5.

I have Speed in my PoE. GTH I went with Town due to the latest phase and whole Jack thing, I think it's too weird for them to be teammates and planned a botched play preemptively in an wifom attempt.

I'm getting these 5 names from the GTH exercise, they had the most red stances.

We have like what? 2/3 bad left?

The consensus suspects are Luna, Niju, Eloh, Leetic and Neverwhere. 3 out of them have like less than 10 posts and no participation whatsoever. Luna dropped off the face of the earth a while back, and she wasn't exactly a paragon of activity and contribution prior to that. Eloh is faring a bit betting than them, but nothing impressive.

Do we believe that the remaining baddies are amongst these 5? It'd be something.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:19 pm yesterday was chaotic, imo, and tbqh, I did not totally read everything. I know that's not good civ behavior, but I'm not sorry. So, Nova, can you tell me why you went against the crowd and voted leetic?

I wanted to save Jack from the lynch

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:59 pm I'll bring back the Jack/nova analysis that juliets did now that we know it was a necessary effort. I'm removing the quote so it isn't enclosed in a box.

JULIETS - Jack/Nova Interaction Analysis

I am not Jay so this isn't his level of interaction analysis but it's more than we had before. My read is below each spoiler.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:20 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:40 am Speed is bad. No doubt about that in my mind.
Regardless of alignment.
First interaction that I see and it's one of Jack's jokes. Meh, no read here for me.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:21 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:28 pm I call bullshit Nutella.
Now this is spicier.
Another Jack comment on nova but it's basically still a joke. Meh again.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:21 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:28 pm I call bullshit Nutella.
Now this is spicier.
@novaselinenever

Elaborate.
no
A back and forth here that could be distancing or could be nova just irritated at Jack though I didn't see a reason for that to be true.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:22 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:06 pm Jack, give me a rainbow
Jack
Speed
Nova
Nutella
Dunya
Jay
DDL
Juliets
Daisy

Everyone else is meh.
Did Nova set Jack up to post a rainbow where nova is good? I guess it's possible but it seems to me to be stretching it to think thats what happened.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:33 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:22 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:06 pm Jack, give me a rainbow
Jack
Speed
Nova
Nutella
Dunya
Jay
DDL
Juliets
Daisy

Everyone else is meh.
I see some development there. What made you navigate through the whole Daisy/Juliets thingy to reach a double civ?

Anyone worse than meh?
Turn you computer upsidedown. I scumread Juliets and Daisy.
This sequence does not look like nova and Jack are teammates. What would be the mafia point in nova misreading Jack's list?

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:33 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:22 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:06 pm Jack, give me a rainbow
Jack
Speed
Nova
Nutella
Dunya
Jay
DDL
Juliets
Daisy

Everyone else is meh.
I see some development there. What made you navigate through the whole Daisy/Juliets thingy to reach a double civ?

Anyone worse than meh?
Turn you computer upsidedown. I scumread Juliets and Daisy.
Can a brother get some colors with a rainbow
And nova's reply does not make me think teammates either.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:32 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:30 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:27 am I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:22 am Jackofhearts2005 read below. she's already said you're not all mafia together. you're a bigger scum read to her than juliets. if you're bad, juliets probably isn't. where's the issue in defending juliets against you?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:24 pm

Shockedpikachu.jpg

Why are Jay, Jack and maybe Juliets bad?

Is it because our names start with the letter J?
I don’t think you all are together. I think one or two of you are but I’m not sure which ones.

Juliets I don’t feel the normal confused/trying to understand vibe I get from her posts. She seems more confident in her reads than I expect from civ Juliets.

Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

Jack, you pushed Juliets for her joke questions about Mac/nova. I’ve only played two game series this year and even I knew what she was talking about. You presented it in a manner as if she only asked the questions as if she already knew they were on different teams, but that was t an accurate representation. Looks bad to me.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:32 pm You think Jay and Jack could be bad together?? Or are they completely separate suspicions without teammate compatibility taken into account bc I would be very surprised.

See the glory of the royal scam
I trend towards if Jack is bad the other two probably are not. Jay could be a teammate withhjuliets, but I wouldn’t say that is a sure thing if one of them is bad they both are. It’s possible, but I’m just spitting out my gut readability independent of each other right now. I don’t believe all three are bad together, no.

How did she defend Juliets? I might have missed that.

Linki - Dunya is bad.
By uh...scumreading me.

For pushing Juliets. That’s the important part.
I don't think a teammate asks Jack this question about Daisy defending me.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:11 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:05 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:38 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:32 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:30 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:27 am I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

How did she defend Juliets? I might have missed that.

Linki - Dunya is bad.
By uh...scumreading me.

For pushing Juliets. That’s the important part.
But how is that a defense of Juliets? I mean you can scum-read someone for a case they make on anyone, it shouldn't matter if the case is on someone you also scum-read. It's about the case itself, being flimsy and fake.

Didn't I scum-read DDL for his case on you, yet I also suspected you? I don't recall you having a problem with that, nor do you seem to have a problem with me beefing with Eloh one of my points being her read on Nutella, yet the latter is also a suspect of mine
THIS! Nova gets it.
NO! NOT THIS!

There was no Juliets push to begin with. You claim to suspect me over a case that doesn’t exist.

And if it did exist, it would be about Juliets AND Mac. You called it a push on Juliets only.

This is suspicious. This is you being sensitive to attacks on Juliets.

You also scumread Juliets. This is you being also willing to bus.

It’s not about suspecting Juliets and a player that suspects Juliets because that’s not a problem and it didn’t happen anyway.
This post by Nova about Jack's Daisy/juliets suspicion does not look like a teammate. Maybe it would if Jack were on the road to getting lynched but Jack is nowhere near that.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:15 pm Is it paranoid to feel like the constant misrepresentation of my suspicions on Daisy/Juliets is scum indicative?

Dunya and Nova are also having this problem and I don’t think that’s just the mafia.

Linki: Why?
I'm not sure what Jack means here, does he mean dunya and nova might be mafia because they are asking him for clarification on the Daisy/juliets saga? If so I think that's another good look for nova.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:53 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:51 pm Solid PoE but the number of default additions is concerning for the game's health. It'd be something if Mafia are mostly inactives, laying low and we got their wannabe deep wolf D1.
Yup I am open to hearing suspicions of more active contributors. If there's a green skittle I'm wrong about, I need someone else to yell it at me.
Jack and Space would be my weakest green skittles.
I was surprised to see that nova still had Jack as any color green - or did he mean out of Jay's green skittles Jack and Daisy were the weakest greens. Anyway, even if he still had Jack as weak green it's not an endorsement of Jack the way I read it.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:43 pm Jack and Speed are bad together and putting on a show?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:44 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:42 pm How do you give someone a vest, and copy their power in one same action? I call bullshit.
It's a trade. They have to say yes or no during the day and then I get their power during the night and they get the vest.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:49 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:47 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:44 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:42 pm How do you give someone a vest, and copy their power in one same action? I call bullshit.
It's a trade. They have to say yes or no during the day and then I get their power during the night and they get the vest.
I used my power last night. I have someone who can confirm that.

If you were blocked, you probably would not have gotten a yes/no bad. Therefore, even if wonkily redirected, SOMEONE in this game should be able to confirm you.
They have over 24 hours to speak up, unless you get vigged in the next three.
He said it's a day ability, ain't no one going to redirect a day ability. Also we got 3 hours left, and he should get vigged in them not the next night phase.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:58 pm The only middle ground I can conceive of would be @Long Con tracking Jack into nutella, which fits both worlds. Even then though we have to contend with the fact that Jack literally told us he gave shit to speedchuck and then was like oops just kidding
Not possible. Jack allegedly visited Nutella during the day, he should have been seen visiting Eloh if he's truthful and got tracked.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:29 pm A vigilante should put us out of our misery, and let the game resume.
Ok I quit. It doesn't appear nova believed Jack for one minute when Jack was explaining his case.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:32 pm @JaggedJimmyJay
Nova's bad, too.
If Jack and Nova are teammates does Jack say this while circling the drain? I don't think so.

There are 2 more pages of Jack that I skipped toward the end and I will do it and report out if there is anything there that strikes me as relevant to this analysis. I just decided to stop now and get this much out there.

I do not see nova and Jack as teammate compatible. If you see it differently though please argue

Glad we all agree

Ninja'd

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:58 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:42 pm Cool beans. LC can have his proper green skittle. The potential for a gambit and bus is diminished when considering that Jack would have otherwise been a deep mafioso.
This is the second time I have read that....what is a deep mafioso?

A Mafioso considered a consensus strong town read and absent from the PoE.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:57 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:56 pm So I did all that for nothing
We did report different reads for you on niju.
Also Juliets on Neverwhere. Oops

DDL on Neverwhere

No not that one

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:57 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:56 pm So I did all that for nothing
We did report different reads for you on niju.

Also Juliets on Neverwhere. Oops

So I did all that for nothing

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

Hmm I wonder who knows how to do flashy tables and graphs?

good
good

Spacedaisy
speedchuck

bad
great
good

nijuukyugou
novaselinenever
reywaS

good
good
bad

Lunalee
Matahari
Neverwhere

good
bad
good

Kites
leetic
Long Con

bad
good
good

Elo
JJJ
Juliets

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:51 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:49 pm Elo too?
someone did an Elo cop check though - wasn't it speed? So wouldn't we know if she is bad? Or are you thinking he made that up?

It was Jack, and it was a role-cop allegedly which got a results that could be either alignment.

Linki - Tried to do a GTH with DDL and everyone ran away. Help!

Elo too?

I guess even the site is having trouble with Speed being in your town pile

Double-posting? This is a first. I'm sorry

Why is Speed in your Town pile?

Why is Speed in your Town pile?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:41 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:45 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:34 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:11 am Juliet's response was not very impressive to me, I don't believe that she has a lack of understanding about my Discord Theory. I also don't believe she has a lack of understanding of how distancing from and accusing a teammate when you think you're getting lynched is a smart thing to do.
I do not understand your discord theory. Maybe someone else does and they can explain it to me since you won't. I do not have a lack of understanding about distancing, but I think your accusation that I was distancing when I said Jack was bad is absurd. And finally, I don't care whether you are impressed or not, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Long Con's theory of Discord developed by the Longest Con states that the most frequent Discord user in any player list is bad. Also known as Discord selection.
*discord tell

I was going for darwinism and natural selection

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:40 pm Instead of playing GTH I rather put together my POE list. I'm not good at GTH.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:34 pm Alright I'll start from the player list and whoever is in can answer:

DDL
dunya

Go.

good
good

[mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

Need more people though

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:29 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:28 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:27 pm I'm here and nobody is taking my posts seriously except for telling me I'm bad so I'll going to roast the posts that you guys are making.
I'm taking them seriously. Talk to me.
Wanna GTH?

Let's go

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