Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

Would you like to see a hammer lynch tomorrow?

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MC Hammer (host/dead/nonplayer)
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 5]

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Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:05 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:07 am Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.
i wish some details about the Sig wagon please
Dig into it. I’m not certain of anything but that voting Sig over Mac D3 would be really tempting for Mac’s team.
D3 I voted for Mac. I don't inderstand, do you mix the 2 wagons, from today and day 3?

Who lynched Sprityo? Do you have the poll?
The votes I listed are from today.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:57 pm I may not self-preserve. If I am so suspicious that I am out-pacing a confirmed mafioso in the poll, then y'all need to get past me.
Self preserving is towny. if you are villager please do so.
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We should probably just lynch sig right? This was a good experiment
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At the risk of deepening chuck’s tunnel...I’ve thought jay was mafia since like D2, but today is not the day to kill him. Today is the day to kill 100% confirmed mafia.
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Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:47 pm
juliets wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:23 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:13 pm @juliets what is the case against JJJ?
Some disagree with his interactive analyses and his reads, he did not vote for Mac but instead voted for two people on the other team, he has not been mega civ like he normally is, and there are probably some other reasons that I'm not remembering.
I disagree with the scuminess of the analyses, he made them in the game where I lost in f3 because I followed his read and ignored my "what if he's wrong" inner voice. He was wrong but he was villager.

I dislike his wagon today, isn't Sig outed wolf?
Consider that if Jay is a villager, TH and Colin’s wolf equity both skyrocket and he can at least view all of Jay’s analysis as honest.

And if Jay is a wolf, it will be hilarious that I lynched MAC and Jay over outted Sig.
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Someone take a pic of this poll tho lol
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:02 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:05 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:07 am Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.
i wish some details about the Sig wagon please
Dig into it. I’m not certain of anything but that voting Sig over Mac D3 would be really tempting for Mac’s team.
D3 I voted for Mac. I don't inderstand, do you mix the 2 wagons, from today and day 3?

Who lynched Sprityo? Do you have the poll?
The votes I listed are from today.
I noticed. But you said something about D3 wagon and I don't get it.

Btw, what Juliets says about the oppinion to not lynch Sig but JK him when we don't know his abilities sounds insane.
We have outed scum, we lynch him and solve the other next day.
This is what we have to do today no matter anyone else AI.
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By the way, the reason this was bad...if he’s mafia and we kill Sig anyways, we gain nothing. If he’s town we’ve removed the chance for him to be sorted via NK (we’ve removed this if he’s mafia too).

In other words, we gain nothing by running up jay on a day we should just be killing outed mafia 🤷‍♀️
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And sig isn’t even voting jay but he’s still leading, jfc

I don’t understand the way you guys play mafia sometimes
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Sloonei wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
@TonyStarkPrime
@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?
I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:07 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:47 pm
juliets wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:23 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:13 pm @juliets what is the case against JJJ?
Some disagree with his interactive analyses and his reads, he did not vote for Mac but instead voted for two people on the other team, he has not been mega civ like he normally is, and there are probably some other reasons that I'm not remembering.
I disagree with the scuminess of the analyses, he made them in the game where I lost in f3 because I followed his read and ignored my "what if he's wrong" inner voice. He was wrong but he was villager.

I dislike his wagon today, isn't Sig outed wolf?
Consider that if Jay is a villager, TH and Colin’s wolf equity both skyrocket and he can at least view all of Jay’s analysis as honest.

And if Jay is a wolf, it will be hilarious that I lynched MAC and Jay over outted Sig.
If you have the slightest idea that JJJ may be villager go vote scum Sig !
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Lynching Jay has to be the most reckless plan we’ve ever embarked upon. And yet...
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Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:07 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:47 pm
juliets wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:23 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:13 pm @juliets what is the case against JJJ?
Some disagree with his interactive analyses and his reads, he did not vote for Mac but instead voted for two people on the other team, he has not been mega civ like he normally is, and there are probably some other reasons that I'm not remembering.
I disagree with the scuminess of the analyses, he made them in the game where I lost in f3 because I followed his read and ignored my "what if he's wrong" inner voice. He was wrong but he was villager.

I dislike his wagon today, isn't Sig outed wolf?
Consider that if Jay is a villager, TH and Colin’s wolf equity both skyrocket and he can at least view all of Jay’s analysis as honest.

And if Jay is a wolf, it will be hilarious that I lynched MAC and Jay over outted Sig.
If you have the slightest idea that JJJ may be villager go vote scum Sig !
We thought Mac might be town or scum. We voted Mac. It worked out.
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:09 pm By the way, the reason this was bad...if he’s mafia and we kill Sig anyways, we gain nothing. If he’s town we’ve removed the chance for him to be sorted via NK (we’ve removed this if he’s mafia too).

In other words, we gain nothing by running up jay on a day we should just be killing outed mafia 🤷‍♀️
That just in the last sentence is the only thing I have a qualm with
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Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:57 pm I may not self-preserve. If I am so suspicious that I am out-pacing a confirmed mafioso in the poll, then y'all need to get past me.
Self preserving is towny. if you are villager please do so.
disagree. revive Jay if necessary


Actually the threat of possibly killing our reviver is another incentive to take out Sig tonight.
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I will take sig out... to dinner
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
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@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?
I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.
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Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:51 pm
juliets wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:49 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:47 pm
juliets wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:23 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:13 pm @juliets what is the case against JJJ?
Some disagree with his interactive analyses and his reads, he did not vote for Mac but instead voted for two people on the other team, he has not been mega civ like he normally is, and there are probably some other reasons that I'm not remembering.
I disagree with the scuminess of the analyses, he made them in the game where I lost in f3 because I followed his read and ignored my "what if he's wrong" inner voice. He was wrong but he was villager.

I dislike his wagon today, isn't Sig outed wolf?
Yes he is.
Then anyone who is on JJJ are ignoring this? :eek:
Yes and no.

The argument for lynching Sig is that he’s an outted wolf and a pretty powerful one.

The argument against lynching Sig is that the AM team has less players than the Master team (2 vs 3) and Sig is on the AM team. Also, a bus driver is probably the only way wolves cross shoot this game considering the number of likely townies we have and the most important town protective and investigative roles (Lassie and Oracle) are dead anyhow). Plus, Agatha’s watch will show Sig and tell her that her results are wrong if she targets a busdriven player. Does this all outweigh a 100% chance to lynch a wolf? Probably not.

The argument against immediately lynching Sig is that with dueling wolf wagon D2 and D3, all players have an excuse to not vote for a wolf and all players didn’t vote at least two wolves at EOD. We were split on D4. Having a day where we just all vote for Sig would be disastrous whereas another day of dueling w/w wagons would be swell and a day of w/t wagons would be helpful too. That is highly motivating.

To not immediately lynch Sig, you must consider lynching other players. Therefore, you have to mean it or at least pretend you do when voting Jay or else we burn the day.
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:14 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:07 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:47 pm
juliets wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:23 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:13 pm @juliets what is the case against JJJ?
Some disagree with his interactive analyses and his reads, he did not vote for Mac but instead voted for two people on the other team, he has not been mega civ like he normally is, and there are probably some other reasons that I'm not remembering.
I disagree with the scuminess of the analyses, he made them in the game where I lost in f3 because I followed his read and ignored my "what if he's wrong" inner voice. He was wrong but he was villager.

I dislike his wagon today, isn't Sig outed wolf?
Consider that if Jay is a villager, TH and Colin’s wolf equity both skyrocket and he can at least view all of Jay’s analysis as honest.

And if Jay is a wolf, it will be hilarious that I lynched MAC and Jay over outted Sig.
If you have the slightest idea that JJJ may be villager go vote scum Sig !
We thought Mac might be town or scum. We voted Mac. It worked out.
But we didn't have Sig as outed scum in that day. We are here to lynch scum. Sig will never help town and we don't know his abilities. Is bad to let him not lynched.
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:sigh: okay. Whatever you do, please lynch scum.
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That’s another good point, killing sig means we have zero chance of killing a town harbinger
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:11 pm And sig isn’t even voting jay but he’s still leading, jfc

I don’t understand the way you guys play mafia sometimes
On the edge.
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Nanook and Michelle defending Jay here is I-N-T-E-R-E-S-T-I-N-G.
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Plug that into the system.
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Jay and Sig both being off wagon is pretty funny.
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Sloonei wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:16 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
@TonyStarkPrime
@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?
I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.
Tell me about tranq.
Asked Sig a few info baiting questions (explain the Inception set up, what info did you have on Mac) — helpfully but otherwise noted, Sig has claimed that he didn’t target Mac with a kill night 1. Ruined my theory about Nanook being a Sit Down Host, tried to ask me who was bad (said TH for M and Jack for AM) but I just memed it. Overall any amount of effort is good in my eyes.
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I ask about the three-person limbo thing because in Inception Mafia the game was designed to put both a mafia member and the independent role in limbo together. I am wondering if such a setup would be possible in this game as well.
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It would then be strongly to Sig’s advantage to say that one of me or Tranq has to be scum or indy
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He did not do this
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Mac ISO part 1

Mac ISO part 2:

I was in the middle of page 2 when I lost access to the thread before. Picking up from there.
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MacDougall wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:29 pm Sorry it's the weekend and weekend is family time so I'm not gonna post much on the weekend. Weekend. Someone wanna give me cliffs?
you're gonna die
Why?
Because your biggest role in this game so far has been to cuddle tenderly with Jackofhearts2005.
That's a pretty shitty reason. Good luck if after this many pages we're lynching Mac based on not being productive. Things are different for me now. I can't dedicate hours per day to Mafia. If it takes mislynches to establish to my meta that low production doesn't equal scum so be it.
Jay starts holding Mac's feetses to the fire on Day 1 and Mac responds as one would expect him to. Tentative good look for Jay, but this level of distancing would absolutely not be beyond these two.
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Dom wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:40 pm Mac's vote is... unexpected and transparently baddie.
I'm not gonna stick around so I'm voting where it's most likely to be self preservation.
I'm less familiar with Dom's scum game so I can't say with any confidence whether or not he'd make a post like this if he was mac's teammate. I'll go with no, but that's based on an opinion that exists outside this exercise. How dare I bring pre-existing reads into the objective world of isolated review?
MacDougall wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:45 pm I'm going to ignore you. I don't need this negative bs.
Directed at Dom. I think epi's words were "If [these two] are teammates, I'll lose respect for them both." I see where that's coming from.
More of the same. I'm mostly willing to rule Dom out at this point. If they're teammates they staged an emotional feud that goes beyond the normal limits of distancing ploy. I don't see either of these players doing that.
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ColinIsCool wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:56 pm Still think Tony is bad tbh. One of you freaks that’s always asking for more ISOs to do, go check him out
Any beefs beyond the off-wagon vote?
His exchange with you. I had the same thought about his reads list, wondering where those names came from.
I definitely called out the town ones as they went by and think I had said something about each of the scum ones
I don't even understand this
A driveby jab at Tony at a moment where Mac is at risk to be lynched. Okay. This is not necessarily shade, but it is at the very least a negatively-slanted comment. I can't do much wit this. At a moment like this (getting late in Day 2 with mounting votes against him), Mac will be caught between survival instincts, genuine hunting, and leaving a WIFOM trail. It does not appear that anything meaningful came out of this Tony post.
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MacDougall wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:34 am Lol I feel like there are quite a few people who are just falling in love with the idea of catching me and not actually reading my play. Namely Dom, Nanook, Jack and now Nutella. Dom especially only really amped it up on me when I came back to thread live and a bunch of others (Jay, Nanook, Sloonei) all simultaneously started hounding me. It was too opportunistic and I do not trust.

I'm not really one who generally believes/trusts when people make self meta reads but if you've seen my GoC play, or really the vast majority of my mafia play, before (and I have been mafia in multiple), I can't see how you look at this game and think you're seeing the mafia version of Mac.

I'm not saying that I'm playing well or anything, quite the contrary, but mislynching me today would be a poor result. We should lynch someone who sucks more at Mafia ergo if they are mislynched would be no loss. Someone like Jay, Epi, or Sloonei.
Juicy. We've got a lot of names here. I have to acknowledge my disclaimer above about Macdougall's Many Drives at this moment, but there's still content here for me to digest.

Mac casts a general negative slant against several people for the way they are approaching the case against him. Those people are: Dom, Nanook2.0, Jack, and nutella2.0. He singles Dom out among them, which looks like a genuine effort to spin suspicion against Dom. Whether or not that suspicion is authentic is irrelevant to me; Mac's intent appears to be genuinely anti-Dom, and I'll say that that's the final straw I needed to rule Dom out as Mac's partner. The other names on this list are a head of lettuce. We know that nutella2.0 was town. He then lists Jay, nanook2.0, and myself as catalysts in the case against him. He's now mentioned nanook twice, in separate categories. Idk what that means, though I see room for overlap between the two so it might not be alarming. Jay and myself are also there. Hello. Then at the end he takes a jab at jay and myself again, along with Epi. Okay.

I'd be surprised if there are no teammates mentioned in this post (although maybe not, because mac is wild). Epignosis appears in the bottom paragraph without any meaningful content associated with him elsewhere in this post. Jay and I are lumped together almost as a unit (who would do that?) twice, without anything that amounts to a real read on either of us. In a vacuum I could see one of those other two being Mac's teammate based on their inclusion in this post without much substance attached. One could say the same about me, but I'm not here to analyze myself. Likewise for the initial list of bandwagoners (nutella, nanook, dom, jack), but we already know nutella was not on his team, and I'm comfortable ruling out Dom. I doubt it's Jack based on the way this game has unfolded. Mac's ghost pushed a case against nanook before the thread got ghostbusted, so that would be an odd teammate pairing, but I won't put it past them.
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MacDougall wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 am Jack isn't town here. If there's one read you should come back to if/when I die it should be this one. I can best summarise it by saying that he feels like he is only half attempting to scum hunt when compared to his actual range. Which would be forgiveable if he wasn't also ever present. He is holding back. Actually this is probably explains why I've had suspicion on a range of other players too. Jay, Sloonei, S~V~S, TSP, Dyslexicon all fit the bill.
Jack was mentioned in the previous post but not explicitly suspected. This time he is. Odd. I'm inclined to say that if Mac and Jack are partners and they have a plan to distance from one another, Mac wouldn't be so clumsy as the forget to do it in one post and then tack it on in another post three minutes later. He goes back to the buffet for a second serving of salad at the end: Jay, myself, SVS, Tony, Dyslexicon. Two posts in a row that Jay and I have appeared in. Tony is the only other living player in the mix here. Interesting.
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MacDougall wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:40 am I feel quite good about sig, sprityo, sabie, michelle, turbup. You should all climb into my pocket and defend me from the scallywags.
This is hurting my head. I'm not sick anymore, don't do this to me. After a salad of suspicion, Mac serves up another salad, this time of town reads: sig (lol), sprit, sabie (lol), michelle, turnip head. For ease, here's a color coded chart of these two salads:
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Mac names 10 players, 5 positive and 5 negative. 5 are now dead or revealed/about to be dead, and none of them were on Mac's team. Two are confirmed to have been on the opposite team. My general inclination is to treat lists like these as though there as at least one teammate named in the bunch, although I wouldn't put it past Mac to deliberately mislead buttheads like me by naming 0 partners. I had a positive vibe on Michelle in part 1 of this ISO and I'm not inclined to waive that for now. I don't know why Turnip Head or Tony are on their ends of this list. I've already commented on Jay's part. Keeping an eye on all three of those as I move forward. I'll note before I go, though, that Tony has been mentioned a couple times now without any real substance behind any of those mentions.
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MacDougall wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:45 am I'm never voting for Colin after reading his first three posts. Colin never rolls Mafia and always gets lynched because of exactly this kind of stuff.
A hard pro-colin stance. Interesting. I've seen scum mac go the Hard Defense route on his teammates before (in last year's GoC, if I'm not mistaken).
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:45 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:43 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:40 am I mean I’m just not really willing to think that anyone is going to seriously consider a world where one of the scum teams had to play short handed for an entire cycle 🤷‍♀️
Hey so like I'm not scum so could you like not vote to lynch me plz?
I mean I kinda think you are, so 🤷‍♀️
I promise I am not though. If you vote someone else you will be happy at the end of the game that you ignored your intuition in favour of arbitrarily trusting me for no apparent reason.
This exchange with nanook looks spontaneous and maybe a little desperate. Good look for nanook. dem rhymes
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MacDougall wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:48 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:45 am The other thing that makes me feel OK about a mac TK is that we have actual battle lines over it, people are invested on both sides, as opposed to radishes where we have a few people invested in killing him and everyone else seemingly kind of shrugging and going “eh, idk, maybe?”

And I tend to think that in a game like this a polarized TK is more likely to lead to scum than one where the strongest defense against it amounts to a half hearted “idk he’s kinda null.”
I dunno, it seems like the only thing that's likely to happen after I get mislynched is that you mislynch Turnip Head for TMI or some dumb shit.
Turnip Head gets an implicitly defensive and unsolicited name drop in an exchange with Nanook. I feel like this post exists entirely as wifom. I'm hesitant to do much with it other than note that Turnip Head is mentioned.

Mac ducks out of engaging further about Turnip Head, point instead to his wack-ass dragotella shade. This time I'm willing to submit a read: slightly bad look for TH. Mac plucks a Turnip out of the void for no visible reason, then immediately pivots when it appears we might be lingering on the subject. I can see this as him trying to namedrop a teammate in a way that is meant to confuse, but then moves away to avoid tipping his hand.

Empty ted banter
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MacDougall wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:50 am
tedxtr wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:48 am In Inception his posts stuck out like a sore thumb and he was forcing interactions with his scum buds that were honestly the closest thing to open wolfing ever since day one.

In here he just posted his thoughts and didn’t force anything. His questions in Inception also sucked and he had a general agenda of looking townie, whereas in here he does seem to go at his own pace.
Jesus tell me how you really feel
Not empty banter, but Mac's response to ted is an insubstantial response to a substantial post. Noted.
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MacDougall wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:15 pm Mac's greatest civilian weakness in my eyes is that he does not effectively shake himself free of his reads -- for better or for worse. I don't mean to be an arse, Mac's a great player. We all have a weakness somewhere. Mac does not easily shed suspicion, and he does not easily shed trust. So no, I don't think his reversal on nutella is a good reason to call him a civilian. That's not his game.
How very wrong you are.
A slightly more substantial response to a substantial jay post. Okay.
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Tranq wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:32 am I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.
Ew.
Yes that post is hot garbage
Agrees with Jay's Tranq shade. This is not an observation I've ever made before, I don't think, but I'm inclined to make it here: I don't think posts like this exist between teammates. This looks like Mac is trying butter Jay up by feeding into a suspicion on Not Him in a pretty empty way. If they're partners it's totally unnecessary, it achieves nothing, and it lumps them together for no beneficial reason. If Mac is mafia is Jay is not his partner, it exists to move focus away from himself. Good look for Jay.
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:09 pm [VOTE: Ted] aubergine

I could be persuaded to vote Mac pretty easily.
Hey you should vote mac
wow okay that sounds good [VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine
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Weak. Meh. I don't need to read anything into this, but I could see speedchuck as mac's partner here.
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Dyslexicon wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:56 pm Or sprit? Idfk
Or Dragomir. Or G-Man. Or TSP. Name a player and they're likely a better lynch than me.
G-man and Tony get name drops (along with dragomir, who became nutella, who is dead). I think this is the first time I've seen G's name come up in Mac's posts. It's not the first time I've seen Tony's name. I've yet to see Mac provide a substantive read on Tony though. Given the number of times this has occurred, I'm gonna mark it down as a bad look for Tony. Mac keeps propping him up as a name to be suspicious of, but he isn't actually doing anything with that read.

Skipping some jack and juliets stuff because I'm not inclined to read them as Mac's partners and nothing in these posts changes that.
MacDougall wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:05 pm Sabie is probably TH's teammate given she had to justify not voting TH over me.
TH is lumped in with sabie. TH had previously been a baseless town read for mac. Idk what to do with this. It looks more like a read on sabie, with TH's name lumped in because Mac loves associative reads. I'm almost inclined to call it a good look for TH, but I don't feel all that strongly about it. Mac is capable of spewing bullshit like this about his own partner. No read.
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MacDougall wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:06 pm But TH's wagon is quite impure.
This is more direct shade at the people voting for TH. I don't know who all the names on that list would be. Michelle, Tranq, and Radishes would be the names there in the final tally. We know one of those three was bad opposite Mac, so he's not wrong. Mac's previous support of Jay's "ew" at Tranq coupled with this post might indicate that Mac viewed Tranq as a viable suspect, or at least someone who could draw attention away from him. Although I'll also note that Mac's bizarre post about lynching Dragomir but not lynching Dragomir from earlier in this phase was singularly directed at one low-poster (Drago) but not the other (Tranq). That doesn't have to mean anything, but I'm gonna mention it. I'm unwilling to dismiss Tranq as a suspect, but I would not feel confident in calling him a teammate of Mac's either.

Unspecified shade at voters in general with implicit support of all his counterwagons (g-man, radishes, Turnip Head). Alright. This strikes me as pure self-defense.

Firm defense of TH, expressed intent to vote for either of the other two wagons. with a Radish preference. I can feel a TH association. I do not feel a G-man association.

Calls on ted, juliets, and SVS to move their votes. I assume this is just because they were off-wagon at the time.

G-man is not mac's partner.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:27 pm Nanook and Michelle defending Jay here is I-N-T-E-R-E-S-T-I-N-G.
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Wow sloonei took the exact exchange that is making me TR chuck and gave it a meh, might be partners
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Sloonei wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
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@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?
Literally nothing me getting outted ruined my plan.

Tsp may have some more since I complained a bit but who knows.
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sig wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

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sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?
Literally nothing me getting outted ruined my plan.

Tsp may have some more since I complained a bit but who knows.
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Mac tried to tie sabie to TH because he knew it was wrong. Ordinary Mac mafia shit.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:47 pm Mac tried to tie sabie to TH because he knew it was wrong. Ordinary Mac mafia shit.
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Wait why would my teammate Mac even do that
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Turnip Head wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:49 pm Wait why would my teammate Mac even do that
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On my way to a long meeting in about an hour. I have very little time to make a choice here. I’m more wary of Sloonei than Jay, but I feel that concern. He’s different this game but I can’t tell if it’s just grad school distraction. Sig is a sure bet, but I feel the concern about watering down his team too much and how that might hurt our analysis of lynch wagons. Then again, his teammate is unlikely to stick his/her neck out for sig and sig is probably trying very hard not to make his teammate stand out. I don’t know how much more we’re going to learn about Team Anti-Monitor with that dynamic in play.
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:23 am Oh nice

Harbinger should absolutely rez SVS then, we can get either a red check or a confirmed town via them living

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On the other hand, the names voting for Sig are sketchier to me than the names voting for Jay. :p
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 5]

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Sloonei wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:42 pm
sig wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

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What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?
Literally nothing me getting outted ruined my plan.

Tsp may have some more since I complained a bit but who knows.
what was your plan?
Not get lynched and have an epic comeback. Ofc the thread shift messed that up a bit but svs flipping me doomed my grand master plan
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 5]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:27 pm Nanook and Michelle defending Jay here is I-N-T-E-R-E-S-T-I-N-G.
Are you twisting my wish to lynch Sig into defending JJJ?
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 5]

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G-Man wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:05 pm On my way to a long meeting in about an hour. I have very little time to make a choice here. I’m more wary of Sloonei than Jay, but I feel that concern. He’s different this game but I can’t tell if it’s just grad school distraction. Sig is a sure bet, but I feel the concern about watering down his team too much and how that might hurt our analysis of lynch wagons. Then again, his teammate is unlikely to stick his/her neck out for sig and sig is probably trying very hard not to make his teammate stand out. I don’t know how much more we’re going to learn about Team Anti-Monitor with that dynamic in play.
I dropped a few hints some real and some fake about my teammate in this and the othet thread since ppl started after me.

I thought it would be amusing kinda bummed nobody's picked up on it
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Michelle wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:27 pm Nanook and Michelle defending Jay here is I-N-T-E-R-E-S-T-I-N-G.
Are you twisting my wish to lynch Sig into defending JJJ?
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