The Syndicate

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:29 pm Rondo’s D1 progression:

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:33 pm Lol forgot about this game. I am legit the best town. [VOTE: sean ] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:33 pm goddamnit rondo

Lol oops I am phone posting from bed because its like 30 fo eod

Actually [VOTE: Michelle ] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:39 pm I think killing wilgy here is possibly the best move post count and effecting the game if Michelle is wolf then wilgy also

If Mich bad, Wilgy bad

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:42 pm Yeah you know what. [VOTE: wilgy ] aubergine

Jumped straight to assuming Mich bad

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:43 pm If wilgy town we get jjj

Assume wilgy town now?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:46 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:43 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:42 pm Yeah you know what. [VOTE: wilgy ] aubergine

why do u sr wigly independent of michelle

Michelle is top wagon and wilgy is actually playing the game.

Either a) wilgy is expanding his range

B) Michelle is wolf and wilgy wants to save or

C) wilgy is wolf trying to save town

D) could be town just trying to not hit town but the conversation around wilgy Michelle jjj is indicative of 1 wolf imho

Answers question with all possible possibilities in the known universe.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:49 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:47 pm I still think a Seanzoe vote at this point is low ev

Now I really wanna vote Seanzie

Wilgy bad, Seanzie bad

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:50 pm I say we skip all votes right now and CFD lorab

Chaos goblin

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:51 pm [vote svs [/svs]

Never talked about before, but she already has votes so why not

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:56 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Back to Michelle

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:57 pm For legacy I saw wilgy going svs off Michelle so went back to Michelle. Jjj gut read town

I guess wilgy wolf because he just said if wilgy town, jjj wolf

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:58 pm Thunal wolf if Seanzie town

Another if then. What if Seanzie is town?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:58 pm Michelle thunal wilgy+ 1

Sold on Michelle, thunal, Wilgy

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:59 pm Scotty can be my+1

And me.


Coming into D2:

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:44 pm I was ready to come in and dome Cape/Thunal/JJJ/LonCon and just push Cape all day. But I guess I need to re-assess. Probably still staying within

Still on Cape > Thunal / JJJ. Maybe Scotty as 4th now or SVS.

Town Core:
Neon, Bereft, Dr Wilgy, LoRab, Michelle, Robyn.

Town core now includes Michelle, who he voted more than anyone, Lorab because ???, Wilgy because ???

Still on cape? When was he ever on cape?

Just a big ole question mark end of day 1.

Can reads change? Yep. But none of Rondo’s posts at end of day have much bearing because he cycled through almost every player as suspicious in the span of 20 minutes.

His final thoughts on the vote, where he stayed on Michelle, was a ‘this Seanzie vote is yucky’, which I think he has pointed to repeatedly through the game to say ‘but I tried to get people to move!’ Move where? Who? Why?

It’s not towny play to continually push associative reads with no info. One could say, ‘but what’s his agenda here?’ I feel like I’ve seen rondo play chaoticly as town plenty, but also know it’s a very viable strategy to hide behind because he does it and can get away with it. But I don’t buy he actually suspected Michelle from D1, especially considering he came into D2 basically moving her to town core.

Let’s get into the end of D2:

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:51 pm if Michelle flips wolf I have no legacy.

Got it.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:08 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:06 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:05 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:02 pm

You called both wagons crap, so who would you like to kill?

I said I'd take LoRab.

then are you saying neon is wrong or a wolf?

Neon is a wolf I think.
Its possible theyre wrong, but think wolf is more likely.

so lorab neon wagons? Why not resolve michelle for D1 knowledge?

The most legit thing he’s said so far.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:08 pm [VOTE: lorab ] aubergine

Followed directly by this vote.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:12 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:10 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:09 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:08 pm Good morning, care to explain why am I your fave mischop?

Michelle‬
6
43%
Voters: @S~V~S, @JaggedJimmyJay, @☆Princess Abigail☆, @DrWilgy, @robyn, @RondoDimBuckle
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u said something sililar in the wolf game you just played

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

that is so weak. I say things as as town that I would as wolf and things as wolf that I would as town just to widen my range.

Just to make my point: I think we have to agree going forward that I am town here and never chop me.

Followed directly by a post hardcore defending Michelle??

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:18 pm @Michelle stop trying to defend yourself. You have 10 minutes to find a wolf.

Direct appeal to Michelle to make themselves look towny

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:21 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:20 pm @RondoDimBuckle why are you voting lorab

because ties go brrr

lol

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:22 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:20 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:18 pm @Michelle stop trying to defend yourself. You have 10 minutes to find a wolf.

I think found and vote a wolf

Give me a reason for Lorab town

I liked the "why arent people voting for me" vibe. she was being scummy and yet people were town reading her. It was strange. She called it out. It is a pov I am familiar with.

…defending lorab? Like he’s thought she was town all along? This is the weirdest post in this progression imo.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:23 pm [VOTE: Michelle ] aubergine

7 min before eod

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:25 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:24 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:22 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:20 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:18 pm @Michelle stop trying to defend yourself. You have 10 minutes to find a wolf.

I think found and vote a wolf

Give me a reason for Lorab town

I liked the "why arent people voting for me" vibe. she was being scummy and yet people were town reading her. It was strange. She called it out. It is a pov I am familiar with.

I explain why that's wolfy.
Makes her blend in

If thats all you got its weak.

Serious Michelle shade. Ready to drop the hammer..

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:24 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:23 pm [VOTE: Michelle ] aubergine

You hate me so much.

You argued michelle all day and then switched to lorab last second.

You argued seanzie all day and then switched to michelle last second.

I wouldnt be surprised if both of them are town

‘I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED IF MICHELLE AND LORAB ARE BOTH TOWN’ and yet he has voted both repeatedly in the last 10 min.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:26 pm [VOTE: lorab ] aubergine

4 min before eod.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:27 pm [VOTE: Michelle ] aubergine

3 min before eod.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:29 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:28 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:25 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:24 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:22 pm

I liked the "why arent people voting for me" vibe. she was being scummy and yet people were town reading her. It was strange. She called it out. It is a pov I am familiar with.

I explain why that's wolfy.
Makes her blend in

If thats all you got its weak.

It's strong because shows mindset

How? It just shows they are aware they should be scum read and that people town reading them are possibly wolves? Why does it show a wolf mindset over a town one?

Trying to have a full conversation 1 min before eod

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say rondo didn’t want Michelle to go at all. His arguments against her were literally invalidated in almost the next post, and he seemed to just vote with majority

Yall. Rondo is bad

Fixed it for you Scotty,

Also lol my D1 was 30 minutes from EOD I woke up and realised the game was on. Spammed a bunch of content in. Voted with my gut and went to work. The only reason I landed on Michelle day 1 is because I sheeped JJJ who I could bet without looking was actually active and pushing an agenda in the game. I didnt know if he was good but I was assuming he was.

D2 I was tunneling Cape/Thunal/JJJ/(Loncon) I was so wrong on 3 of those. Still tinfoiling Thunal. But JJJ robyn managed to convince me to ignore Cape and JJJ was too bloody towny for me to keep my desire to death tunnel him so I wanted to re-eval. I thought Michelle was towny EOD1 but JJJ didnt. His arguments are a big reason why I ended on Michelle. (Also I was testing him because I was tinfoiling the crap out of him)

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:31 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:02 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:17 am Bereft is the most likely deepwolf candidate and I still suspect him for association with the big talkers without content I remember. Light scum

I like my wall part on Bereft so I do want to redirect you to that

Read it. In a vacuum, I see his town equity, but that’s why I think he is a good deep wolf candidate. Everything he’s done is easily possible to do as a wolf.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:17 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:08 pm You know that was weird to me about ts account's pop into the thread?

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:33 pm there are 4 whole pages of posts with "ts account" in them
yall wild

someone fill me in, I see JJJ got nkd and one of their most recent posts has a POE in it. Are we following that, generally?

Immediately when they got here they mention JJJ and his POE and asking if the town is following it.

It almost reads as them being hyper aware about JJJ almost like... he showed up at night in wolf chat and at saw wolf chat thought process in killing JJJ perhaps?

Dun dun dun [VOTE: ts account] aubergine

currently in waiting room for ts account to be towny

ew ew ew yucky gross shut up
you did not just angleshoot like that

no, I'm familiar with JJJ because I've played with them multiple times and I respect them as a player
you, on the other hand...
whomegalul

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:36 pm I just remembered some more long-ago Bereft posts that reaffirmed my confidence in him, which extends my confidence in robyn, which extends my confidence in my other four primary town reads (Wilgy, Rondo, Cape, DM). That helps my current state of mind. I still think this POE is just good. I hope we can start to prove it today, but even if not, there's so much that supports this direction. Whatever happens happens.

I am writing this mostly for myself, but here have a pick-me up anyone else if you like.

can you give me a rainbow?

DrWilgy
Cape90
robyn

Bereft
DarlingMonroe
RondoDimBuckle

---POE Line---

Thunal
Scotty

Abigail
S~V~S
LoRab
ts account
Michelle

Something like that. Order isn't super meaningful within tiers.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:07 am

Highly doubt they're teamed | Unlikely to be teamed | Maybe compatible even if I don't feel it | Compatible

I need to sort my teams out better. Here are the combinations including any group of four from {Michelle, LoRab, ts account, S~V~S, Abigail, Scotty} with any instance of {Scotty, S~V~S} together removed. I have not included any combinations with Thunal in them. I may try to tackle that if my team of combinatorics gurus can help me out.

[Michelle, LoRab, ts account, S~V~S] - all mutually yellow

[Michelle, LoRab, ts account, Abigail] - all mutually yellow

[Michelle, Abigail, ts account, Scotty] - all mutually yellow except for Michelle/Scotty

[LoRab, ts account, Scotty, Abigail] - all mutually yellow except for LoRab/Scotty

[Michelle, LoRab, ts account, Scotty] - all mutually yellow except for Michelle/Scotty and LoRab/Scotty

[Michelle, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail] - all mutually yellow except for Michelle/Scotty and LoRab/Scotty

[LoRab, ts account, S~V~S, Abigail] - all mutually yellow except for S~V~S/Abigail

[Michelle, LoRab, S~V~S, Abigail] - all mutually yellow except for S~V~S/Abigail

[Michelle, ts account, Abigail, S~V~S] - all mutually yellow except for S~V~S/Abigail

Loosely ranked by "color viability", though differentiating is controversial after the full yellow teams.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:13 pm

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Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:45 pm Looking at LoRab voters: (Hopefully stuff formats correctly)

Bereft:

I think Bereft's read on Scotty/LoRab is actually kind of towny and the world he presented with them and the strong language he used to make his argument #2496/#2517. All this despite his resistance to the Michelle wagon which to me kind of read as scummy #2476/#2477. But like even that is kinda towny on virtue of being this sort of stream of consciousness type of way. I like his confidence on his Rondo townread also.
Sidenote: I was getting kind of worried about Rondo just powerwolfing based on the pushes that he's done earlier, but have felt better about Rondo as he started talking more throughout the day, like for me, my thinking on Rondo went from "he's town" to "eh, like he could just be trying to eliminate towns through pushing whatever" back to "he's town" in short.
I kind of think #2342 was weak on a gut level.
Also Bereft saying the current wagons are bad but then suggesting ts account as a top wolf was funny to me (#2335) with the linked 2342, which is part of the reason why I have my issues with Bereft to be completely honest. Though I will say I don't mind the notion that Scotty could be mafia.
I think beyond this point, I do not really get like a whole lot out of Bereft's day 2, but I am in the zone of thinking he believes what he says which to me is a good look even with my said qualms there.

DarlingMonroe:

Despite seemingly also suspecting Michelle, DarlingMonroe was on LoRab. DM was also voting/tinfoiling Bereft which I find interesting... probably slightly towny. I randomly like #2191 even though I am also left a tad confused by it, but it does show a confidence in their own words. #2167 sort of pinged me when it came to Bereft, like in the sort of way where DarlingMonroe was pushing Bereft on the virtue that he is a strong player. On top of that if his thought processes throughout the game come across in the same exact way as Thunal's, wouldn't this be a cause for concern for DarlingMonroe?
#2166 I am also slightly concerned about because is seems like DM is calling Princess Abigail town only because she didn't ping them as much as the other four DM listed, which isn't really a real read on Princess Abigail.

OKAY I HAVE A POSSIBLY SILLY QUESTION
In #2127 DarlingMonroe says "And I understand LoRab is busy IRL..." right? So is this a scumslip? I mean you could maybe assume as much from them not showing up to the thread, but they haven't completely said outright that they were busy IRL directly so maybe they got the hear from LoRab from... somewhere else? Dun dun dun.
IDK if I actually believe that.
Uh.
Anyways...
#2103 points out all the no voters that were not voting day 2 in a... lateish stage. Also if S~V~S is actually mafia, DarlingMonroe is ALWAYS just town for #849.
Thinking lightly town just off last game when they were town were basically not voted off because of their PR claim, despite honestly not being all that towny (this is from the perspective of me being mafia though). Also I saw more OMGUS going on with her in her previous towngame which idk if that's like a reliable thing.

SIDENOTE: #2151 from S~V~S seems sketchy to me, though they voted Michelle.

Scotty:

The completely cursed slot himself, making hard to dechipher posts. Kinda found what he was trying to communicate from what I deciphered to be just kind of in the zone of "blendy okayness" IE: #2178 him questioning Thunal here I believe.
I'm guessing the curse is a thing that could be for anything, I think if Michelle flipped villager, this is exactly where I think mafia would be, but now with the flip, I am not so sure. Like I am sure scotty could maybe talk them out of sus better then Michelle, but it could also mean that Scotty is a mafia PR more powerful then Michelle, like maybe a Rupert...
Scotty did start day 2 by voting Michelle.
Going back to day 1 #1046 pinged me, especially if niche=michelle idk. Like mafia would talk to their partners in that way in a freak outty type of way. I find it rather sloppy also that Scotty asked about why people thought Seanzie was a hit, then to tell people to go on Seanzie because he trusted the wagon composition there more then Michelle wagon (comprised of Rondo/Neon/JJJ/DrWilgy, who ALL VOTED MICHELLE DAY 2 AS WELL) (PS: Thanks Rondo for that spreadsheet thing). ALSO #738 this aside is actually really scummy because it goes against his snap decision that "oh kill Seanzie because I like wagon comp on there" thing that he talked about, like ew.
Do not feel so great about #893 just in retrospect and the halphazard Michelle townread he slapped at the end here. Had LC and DM as mafia at the time, insert bad WIFOMy read that Scotty doesn't kill LC because of this.
I feel like if Scotty is mafia, I kinda feel like they might have misused the curse thing because it feels more right to let Scotty talk himself out of being sussed as mafia and to give Michelle the cursed thing? I cannot help but to have that little voice in my head that says that, but I do find Scotty suspicious otherwise for this and already said day 1 reasons. I just hope he can actually communicate today and maybe point to important points he made day 2 or whatever that he wants to be clear, if this is an all game thing, oh boy.

Thunal33:

Thunal kept defending Michelle... interestingly, but I don't think it's outing for reasons. Mostly with how much detail Thunal was putting into continuously talking about Michelle.
Thunal talked about how town is controlling the thread even though they have also talked about not liking the wagons being like 2/2/2 at the time.
I believe the talking that was going on with Princess Abigail is not w/w with Abigail. #2015 is kinda a lame defense of Michelle if you actually read what Michelle is saying there, which I have my doubts that Thunal really did there...
I like Thunal in the #1737 chain of confidence here in terms of their robyn read.
Overall I could see this as wolf, but I am not super convinced for reasons. Like I see Abigail's readslist, then subsequent vote on Michelle and just thinking of those 2 things, like I would have to check back and see what Abigail did in that span of time in developing her read on Michelle if that happened but it does raise concerns just because I don't remember things.

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Which kinda transitions into I think some funny business might be happening with the wagons. As I pointed out earlier, day 1 had 4 people on the Michelle wagon, and those SAME 4 people are also there day 2, Rondo almost wasn't. Which just seems oddly consistent to me. And LoRab is certainly not towny which makes me question things. I certainly like the names on Michelle technically more then LoRab, my only decent TR on there is Bereft, and those aren't as strong as robyn/JJJ/Rondo on the Michelle wagon so that could also be a sign. Uh yeah wanted to check Abigail specifically next because if there was a bus there, it's like I would likely look there first or S~V~S on like an off chance it's DrWilgy (i feel like i have paid the least attention to Wilgy to be honest so it would probably be fine to check here after Abigail even though my gut says I TR him). This is some food for thought, I am busy tonight, finals week is so much fun!

Holy anal sis wall bat man !

Another day another Cape suspicion

RE: me - yesterday was almost a wash for me, and I have to agree with you, because even I felt blendy in the most unblendy way possible. It was truly *exhausting* to post, and it definitely reflected in my contributions. As a voyeur, not only was I behind, but even if people were able to get through my bullshit, it wasn’t worth the effort to try and clarify bits and pieces. JJJ only got maybe a fraction of what I was saying so my posts were more frustration than solving, so me pointing to specific points today is probably more PTSD because I don’t even want to look at that shit again.

RE: my Seanzie vote- I don’t remember pitching people to vote Seanzie, I just hopped on in the last bit with a split decision to vote him because you/robyn/JJJ were voting there. DESPITE the fact that I definitely was advocating against it to (Jjj?) earlier. It was more of a unifying vote as opposed to stray, ya feel?

Here’s a summary of my Day 2 in my head:
I was settled on Michelle as the counter wagon for almost the entire day, then I started getting cold feett with the big talkers basically controlling the thread and bereft was the one that just seemed like he was on the outside, keeping his vote open, being *there* but I couldn’t pinpoint him as leading any charges. It was the most blendy high posting job of this garm, and a part of me was thinking both Lorab and Michelle were just t/t.

I was able to come in the last 10 min to see a movement on Lorab/michelle. I don’t even know what the count was, but it seemed like there was some squirrelly shit happening with others trying to launch away from Michelle. And I picked wrong! Again!

I came into today thinking Lorax is basically cleared. Is she not? If not, why?

I wanna start cleaning people,and her wagon forming against Michele screams patsy (yes I know I voted there)

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:33 pm there are 4 whole pages of posts with "ts account" in them
yall wild

someone fill me in, I see JJJ got nkd and one of their most recent posts has a POE in it. Are we following that, generally?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:17 am Bereft is the most likely deepwolf candidate and I still suspect him for association with the big talkers without content I remember. Light scum

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:48 pm Bereft / Princess Abigail have contributed way more than the trio of [SVS / LoRab / ts account] for me to really think they are not town over the latter

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:35 am

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:51 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:50 pm In Darlings favor I said repeatedly in thread that LoRab was a rabbi, it’s Channukah, I follow her socials and she’s been very busy. Darling could easily have picked it up from the thread.

so, what reads do you have missy?

Aw you called me missy

I'm gonna be honest; I got totally derailed Day One for the somewhat (from my POV) overreaction to my thoughts on Scotty. Who popped up doing a Tasmanian Devil whirling dervish imitation around me every time I mentioned his name. In the post that I said I didn't want to talk about it, he popped up and called my post 'garbage' (I saw what Jay said about how it prolly was just the insanifier, but come on. Lots of words in that post, and all his posts, were clear and game related). I have never seen so much over reaction to a day one observation that wasn't even a suspicion.

I agree that we are unpaired, lol.

I am having problems getting out of the OMGUS thing, so I'm happy to look into jays POE, and the LoRab voters. I think voting for her at all was kinda icky, and wagoning her was double icky., especially when most of Michelles posts her last day were pretty sketch.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:16 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:10 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:09 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:08 pm Good morning, care to explain why am I your fave mischop?

Michelle‬
6
43%
Voters: @S~V~S, @JaggedJimmyJay, @☆Princess Abigail☆, @DrWilgy, @robyn, @RondoDimBuckle
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u said something sililar in the wolf game you just played

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

This is exactly the reason they wanted to mischop me in the Game 6 this summer

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:09 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:08 pm Good morning, care to explain why am I your fave mischop?

Michelle‬
6
43%
Voters: @S~V~S, @JaggedJimmyJay, @☆Princess Abigail☆, @DrWilgy, @robyn, @RondoDimBuckle
‪

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:58 pm fuck me. is JJJ just town?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:57 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:54 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:28 pm rondo why are you on michelle?

@Cape90 I ask again, why not?

1. You called Michelle town earlier
2. It's going on a vote JJJ is also on

yes. And?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:54 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:28 pm rondo why are you on michelle?

@Cape90 I ask again, why not?

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:31 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:52 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:50 pm I was kinda getting cold feet on Abigail admittedly

I am sure you've indicated before, but I am kind of workshopping things in my head. Could you tell me your current impressions of Bereft and robyn?

robyn is probably technically the towniest person here, I have liked their solving and they have not pinged me, I was kinda offput day 1 by them just playing differently in general, but they are playing in the best interest of town today IMO

Being a person who has wolfcased Bereft correctly Bereft once, doesn't feel like his wolf game and I also think...

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:34 am Sge didn't even get to comment on to the part where I named her as part of a team with the 2 ppl she did bother to half-@$$edly defend recently, so Im going to assume that ya know.

Im probably just right ofc, why I would assume anything else.

this sort of self-righteousness is towny to me

I think Bereft's dynamic with robyn is probably towny unless w/w which I honestly highly doubt because of how on the nose they have been supporting each other

Did you wolfcase me correctly in the game where shadow bussed me D1? Like, I don't get correctly wolfcased ever.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:12 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:05 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:50 pm I really don't like DM's vote.

btw DrWilgy

Is this comment why you didn't add DarlingMonroe on your list of the voters on LoRab?

Darling didn't yeet Seanzoe last cycle.

It's just those 3 goobers that have taken poor back to back yeets.

If Michelle wants me to not vote there and feels the need to self pres, it should be through someone who's not LoRab. Even if LoRab is wolf, Michelle should find a teammate and vote there as it's still an infinitely better option.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:36 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:27 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:59 am Rondo all that “keeping me in check” is omgusing my suspicions after giving me the easiest town read I have ever received.

what do you mean by this? You clearly don't think Thunal is super towny unless i am misinterpreting what you are saying

I was referring to Michelle in that comment. Rondo made an argument for why Michelle's responses to me at EOD1 were towny, and that was my counter.

Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:55 pm Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:50 pm I really don't like DM's vote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:52 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:50 pm I was kinda getting cold feet on Abigail admittedly

I am sure you've indicated before, but I am kind of workshopping things in my head. Could you tell me your current impressions of Bereft and robyn?

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:34 am Sge didn't even get to comment on to the part where I named her as part of a team with the 2 ppl she did bother to half-@$$edly defend recently, so Im going to assume that ya know.

Im probably just right ofc, why I would assume anything else.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:16 pm Every time DM posts, I love DM again.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:21 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:47 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:25 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:50 pm Probably leaning DM or SVS over scotty as 4th atm just because 3 wolves on Seanzie is a lot.

Silly Rondo, if I was bad I would have killed you. It’s just WiFoM but you know it’s true.

And definitely not LC, who I have a high success rate against, one on one.

So keep leaning. BBL going to bed.

Hey this and S~V~S's return is indeed scummy

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

Whenever I am wolf, I usually make these type of bad WIFOM arguments when I am usually not the one controlling the NKs anyways so it's kinda just bad

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:25 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:25 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:50 pm Probably leaning DM or SVS over scotty as 4th atm just because 3 wolves on Seanzie is a lot.

Silly Rondo, if I was bad I would have killed you. It’s just WiFoM but you know it’s true.

And definitely not LC, who I have a high success rate against, one on one.

So keep leaning. BBL going to bed.

Why? Fluff my ego.

I’m fairly sure you can read me better than most people in this thread.

I also don’t have high confidence of maintaining a facade long term with you. Which would be my weakness rather than your strength, so fluff away.

Yes even with this

Okay but who comes into the thread IMMEDIATELY into a day proclaiming they aren't mafia because WIFOM? Doesn't sound like a towny thing to me

I do.

I was pleased to see Rondo show up to play, and not happy that he was eyeing me. And what I said was 100% true, and really aimed mainly at Rondo. If I were bad I would have pushed hard to kill him. I realize if i were bad, I wouldn't be the only decision maker, killing is a team call. But I tend to be a strong (read bossy) presence in baddie chat.

If I were bad I would find Rondo the biggest threat to me personally. And I do think he knows this.

Also, I don't spend alot of time worrying about what sounds "towny" since that seems to fluctuate, and be based on individual opinion.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:35 am OK, I had a pretty ugly day yesterday, it involved going to another state to help a family member in an emergency. Everyone is all right, I picked up my dog and am back home. It could have been worse, it was the next state over, but still. Didn't have much time for Mafia.

Will try to catch up to why I have 3 votes, but I'm shot. Gonna make some coffee and be back in a bit, to read my @'s and try to catch up at least somewhat.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:39 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:44 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:41 pm feels like i have been gone forever

what's going on, i have to somewhat dip out soon but i will do a lil bit either real time or catching up

sorry if i become frozen and dont respond to every single message rondo throws at me

What is your immediate reaction to the following solve?

Michelle, S~V~S, LoRab, and ts account as the team of four

Scotty and Abigail as the first alternates

I think that's a good solve, I think Abby is hitting her town notes, but i have misread her before, but I do highly think her push on me day 1 was in good faith as backwards as that sounds

What town Notes am I hitting

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:52 am

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:05 am the dichotomy between me and bereft is old news, currently the relationship between me and cape is far more important and relevant

Cape is like probably never wolf tbh

If you're wolf your trying very hard to make yourself look paired but it's too much.

If your town... your probably just right.

So like yeah cool

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:51 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:52 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:30 am Anyways, I think DrWigly is town for the way he handled EOD yesterday

@DrWilgy Can I ask why you scumread robyn? They are probably my top townread right now

Robyn is aware enough to point out that I've observed the dichotomy between them and Bereft. Energy level is not what I associate with T Robyn. Movement on poll is very forceful.

If they get a pelt doing as they do, fine, but until they flip someone, or flip themselves, it's hard to not observe such a heavy hand with interactions as such with Bereft and not see it as knowing.

I tinfoil a robyn J3 world.

Thoughts?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 12:16 am

Spoiler: show

I don't actually want to play, it's a broken game

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:34 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:33 am
Also Scotty/Abigail look kinda unpaired even with the pocketing going on there.

Why?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:36 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:21 pm Jay is such a high poster, and with not much filler, that I think inherently he tends to be town voice. Even if he’s not town lol

I think I’m slightly suspicious that I am his top town read, but that’s a me problem. I’m down to listen to his scum reads however

I'm very very suspicious of J3

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:45 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:25 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:00 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:56 pm I think your being cleared way to easily just for posting a lot and being loud

We can resolve JJJ later. I almost never feel like he’s a good D1 vote unless every other player is, like, Aristotle


Tho tbh playing with a bunch of philosophers sounds like a fucking nightmare so nm

Y'all can but I have a severe allergic reaction to just deciding not to solve people and let a possible wolf take control without question for any extensive period of town

On the flip side, if Jay IS town, we lose a significant voice. Did you SEE the flip charts and excel spreadsheets he just posted? That’s gold.

You might think I’m being sarcastic, and I’m actually not. If he’s bad, I think it will become clearer as the days go on.

I'm not really saying kill him

I'm dating read him... actually fucking read him

Or well that's all I'm willing to do I want to kill wolfs I don't care who they are

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:45 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:26 am Or maybe I'm lying and tr J3 and just want to make it look like he's pushable so wolfs don't kill him

Who knows?

I don't tr him but sometimes I do this

Gosh youre town so hard it hurts

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:16 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:08 pm I would comment on Scotty unpairings if it weren't for the fact that I already resigned myself to there being only 2 mafia that have posted at all.

Understandable. I think we're kind of left with a reasoning dilemma. Let me work it out (for my own sake):

Spoiler: show

Premise 1: Scotty doesn't fit with most active players.
Premise 2: Scotty can fit with inactive players.
Conclusion: If Scotty is mafia, then he has inactive teammate(s).

If we accept the above argument, we can proceed to another:

Premise 1: If Scotty is mafia, then he has inactive teammates.
Premise 2: Scotty is mafia.
Conclusion: He has inactive teammate(s).

Valid argument. Modus ponens. Premise two requires killing Scotty and achieving a mafia flip.

Premise 1: If Scotty is mafia, then he has inactive teammate(s).
Premise 2: The inactives aren't mafia.
Conclusion: Scotty isn't mafia.

Valid argument. Modus tollens. Premise two requires flipping multiple inactives and getting town flips.

Both work, but the latter requires more chopping. Bleh. Of course neither argument matters if the flips don't align with the premises "2". Scotty flipping town is poop.

The content of that spoiler can probably be ignored, actually. I don't think my thinking was sound, because arguments can just be inverted to suit a desired strategy. But I typed all of it, so whatever here's a post.

If I were to flip today, I do feel like it will be much more substantive to analyze who voted me and why- what looked original, what looked opportunistic.

As I’ve said in my reread, it felt like Robyn was the most opportunistic. I still think cape is town, even if he won’t get off my back.
Princess Abigail is making questionable plays if she were wolf, and though I’ve never seen her wolf game, I don’t feel like voting me looks like confused town.
SVS is straight up tunneling me, so it feels like I’m going down that path again lol and hope I’m right this time

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:12 pm Do Thunal33 and LoRab fit together as mafia teammates?

From Thunal

Spoiler: show

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:49 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am Literally falling asleep and need to close the laptop before I wake up with keyboard indents on my face.

I'm still getting to know the people with whom I haven't played (or, if played once or twice, don't have a concept of how they play).

LC, I'm very much reading as civ.

J3, as well. Way too much work to go into that much detail, for it to be fake. Also, mafia often posts less than civs--because it's harder to know what to say. And also (and maybe mores) because they are spending time chatting in BTSC, and can engage in the game without posting.

Scotty reads entirely civ to me. Even though he needs to stop padding his post count. That always makes me suspish of people, although I know that isn't a tell for you. But I'm reading you as civ other than that.

I'm intrigued by Robyn. They are totally engaging with me as new to this site (to newer players). And also don't have context to read them (if we have ever played together, I need a reminder of what game).

The back and forth between Robyn and Bereft is also odd to me. Is this typical of them? I'm not suspecting them for this, but it's reading as off to me (this could also be a culture thing that developed since I was last here, so really earnestly asking).

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:59 am okay i just have to ask @LoRab do you fear god?

I feel like you're referencing something and I have no idea what. Or is this actually a theological question? Help! I'm way too tired to think about this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:07 am Is it too early to ask everyone for their top three town reads?

No, of course not. Let’s go ahead an box in the mafia.

I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

What's normally suspicious about your style?

I think this kind of comment about finding it weird you're too trusted is >rand mafia. A lot of townies are confident in their townieness even if they are suspected often, but it's easy for mafia to assume they're suspicious.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:55 am I'm liking Cape so far, I think his curiosity about my RVS vote question was good and it feels like he's saying whatever takes come to mind.

Long Con
Scotty
JJJ
Cape

everyone else

LoRab
SVS

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:23 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:20 pm @Bereft and @robyn, each of you had expressed early faith in LoRab, and in the moment I kind of vibed with that. I'd like to dig a bit deeper though: are you able to describe what gave you confidence about her?

I had two major instances of thought about LoRab.

The first was immediately after their entrance.
And to that point, I had the same thought as Robyn did wrt to it.

The second was immediately after LoRab freaked out about getting townreads.
And to that point, I had the same thought as you did wrt to it.

If the question demands why I take strong stock in these thoughts at all, then its because both of these moments are based on LoRab existing archetypical traits of "pure" town spontaneity. And I don't think I've ever once seen these reads fail in my experience. On a mafia theory tangent, its the most basic form of read in existence, mafia simply doesn't post like that, because they have to think about well, being mafia.

I'd like to talk about this read. It seems similar to how I make some of my townreads based on "is this a thought a mafia would even think of". What about those moments is something that a mafia wouldn't think of doing?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:29 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:01 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:00 pm [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine
Cu cu cachoo

Could you indicate which of Thunal's read(s) you found half-baked?

Their vote for SVS came out of nowhere for me:

Spoiler: show

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:40 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am
I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me

OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 am One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.

Where are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.

@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Their loRab push was also not strong.

Even though through a lens, I actually independently find I agree with their reads of both SVS and LoRab: where are SVS’ reads, and why is LoRab so freaked out about being townread?

Both of those pushes are low confidence, and LoRab's is even lower confidence than SVS. I woke up this morning, read the thread, and SVS's more recent posts caught my eye. I guess you could say it "came out of nowhere" but that's pretty normal/NAI at this stage in the game.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:37 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:49 am
What's normally suspicious about your style?

I think this kind of comment about finding it weird you're too trusted is >rand mafia. A lot of townies are confident in their townieness even if they are suspected often, but it's easy for mafia to assume they're suspicious.

One one level, I have no idea. Maybe I'm just drawn that way? Some of it is how I approach the game and suspicion--some of it is meta, but a lot of it is noticing patterns and when those patterns are off. Which many see as a suspicious way to suspect people, apparently.

And, in a bigger way, your noting my discomfort in being trusted is an excellent example of why--on this particular site. It's a mafia culture thing. I learned mafia in a very different setting than that of most of the players on here. There are some players (SVS, LC in this game) I've been playing with for about 15 years--I think Wilgy for at least a decade. I may have forgotten someone else who is in this game (other than our wonderful host). The game we played then, on sites like LP and The Piano, was stylistically different--we developed our own mafia slang, almost all games were ones in which pretty much everyone has a power, info dumping was essentially always frowned on--at least past a certain point, when we all seemed to realize it's not nearly as much fun that way, and agreed that there just wouldn't be any any more. Where puzzles and hidden messages were everywhere. This site, in large part, grew out of that world--and merged it with other mafia communities.

The mafia game style of those other communities mostly became the prominent culture, with some aspects of my original realm staying around. like this color.

And I still play with my same style that I always have, even though I know that most around me have a different style--and will suspect me for my style. I'm good with that.

Although, I do twirl a lot less than I used to.

As for your suspicion, unless I'm misunderstanding ">rand mafia" (as I don't actually know what that means). It is very par for the course in the games of most of my mafia playing for civvies to not want to be publicly trust. I mean, I guess in a game where there is only 1 bad faction (and no apparent neutral or indy roles), it makes more sense for civs to not worry so much when trusted, but...I'm still more accustomed to games where such a structure (2 teams, one good one bad) is the exception and not the rule,

While I'm waxing nostalgic, and in a Ted Lasso game, a shout out to the OG Diamond Dog, in whose honor this smiley was created It's literally based on the actual human. I miss that FEB.

Okay, what you and JJJ said about not wanting to be townread makes sense, and that comment might be NAI coming from you. You said JJJ's play was too much work to be fake, how much experience do you have with him? Afaik he tries hard as both alignments and can't be effort cleared alone.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:40 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:32 pm @JaggedJimmyJay what are your top reasons for sussing Scotty?

It would be dishonest of me to call them my reasons, because I am kind of sheeping this one right now. But I think some others raised valid gripes or were otherwise convincing:

- Scotty calling Long Con's "unhinged" post towny was goofy.
- As S~V~S climbs the town ladder, I give her instinct more credence (that Scotty was off in resisting LC's suspicion of her)
- His read on LoRab didn't actually make sense (this thing) -- acknowledging a "difference in approach" with respect to her aversion to town reads and then basically ignoring that difference when suspecting her.
- Bereft has never openly town read Scotty, and I think he has a strong grip on the game right now.
- I decided my own town read was biased by my desire for players to be involved, and he was the first to take up that banner.

I might add one new gripe: his suspicion of you seemed kind of opportunistic. He even agreed with your reads

The LoRab thing is an interesting point. People like you, SVS, and LoRab herself were quick to tell me that it's normal to not want to be trusted for old school players, but Scotty knew this (I think) and still found it suspicious.

LoRab was an early suspect of Thunal's, and I have a feeling that might have been a more sustained "push" were it not for the "old schooler" defense of LoRab's aversion to town reads. Even if Thunal's reasons can be questioned, the conclusion is more important. I think this is decently dissociated.

From LoRab

Spoiler: show

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:49 am
What's normally suspicious about your style?

I think this kind of comment about finding it weird you're too trusted is >rand mafia. A lot of townies are confident in their townieness even if they are suspected often, but it's easy for mafia to assume they're suspicious.

One one level, I have no idea. Maybe I'm just drawn that way? Some of it is how I approach the game and suspicion--some of it is meta, but a lot of it is noticing patterns and when those patterns are off. Which many see as a suspicious way to suspect people, apparently.

And, in a bigger way, your noting my discomfort in being trusted is an excellent example of why--on this particular site. It's a mafia culture thing. I learned mafia in a very different setting than that of most of the players on here. There are some players (SVS, LC in this game) I've been playing with for about 15 years--I think Wilgy for at least a decade. I may have forgotten someone else who is in this game (other than our wonderful host). The game we played then, on sites like LP and The Piano, was stylistically different--we developed our own mafia slang, almost all games were ones in which pretty much everyone has a power, info dumping was essentially always frowned on--at least past a certain point, when we all seemed to realize it's not nearly as much fun that way, and agreed that there just wouldn't be any any more. Where puzzles and hidden messages were everywhere. This site, in large part, grew out of that world--and merged it with other mafia communities.

The mafia game style of those other communities mostly became the prominent culture, with some aspects of my original realm staying around. like this color.

And I still play with my same style that I always have, even though I know that most around me have a different style--and will suspect me for my style. I'm good with that.

Although, I do twirl a lot less than I used to.

As for your suspicion, unless I'm misunderstanding ">rand mafia" (as I don't actually know what that means). It is very par for the course in the games of most of my mafia playing for civvies to not want to be publicly trust. I mean, I guess in a game where there is only 1 bad faction (and no apparent neutral or indy roles), it makes more sense for civs to not worry so much when trusted, but...I'm still more accustomed to games where such a structure (2 teams, one good one bad) is the exception and not the rule,

While I'm waxing nostalgic, and in a Ted Lasso game, a shout out to the OG Diamond Dog, in whose honor this smiley was created It's literally based on the actual human. I miss that FEB.

If LoRab is mafia, this response to Thunal looks like the classically overwrought explanation that mafia provide to town accusers to justify whatever they've done.

~~~

I'd call these two unlikely mafia teammates.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:49 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:27 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:07 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:05 am PSA: I’m being a bit edgier than usual, and I am conscious of that. If I ever upset anyone, please kick me. I am trying to regain a little edge that has degraded over the years of Mr. Nice Guy.

Or wolf in a corner

as if ur not being edgy rn LOL

You trying to undermine my read is not going to help me find you town when I have you paired with jjj

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:20 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:15 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:14 pm Thinking about the alternative universe where mafia didn't make poor decisions.

The only decision they made so far was killing Long Con unless the wagon on Seanzie was actually mafia driven

The decision they made was "NK someone other than J^3", and like, ...

Whatever.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:14 pm Thinking about the alternative universe where mafia didn't make poor decisions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:28 pm Why is DarlingMonroe town?

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DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:35 pm Hey y'all! Hope everyone is doing well; i'll be frank: not super familiar with games that restrict role claiming or dropping hints about their role, so looking forward to using this as an opportunity to learn. Anyone care to provide a previous game here that was similar, pretty please? In the meantime, gonna continue catching up w/ Ted Lasso (the show, lol).

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:38 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:35 pm Hey y'all! Hope everyone is doing well; i'll be frank: not super familiar with games that restrict role claiming or dropping hints about their role, so looking forward to using this as an opportunity to learn. Anyone care to provide a previous game here that was similar, pretty please? In the meantime, gonna continue catching up w/ Ted Lasso (the show, lol).

This used to be the norm around here years ago. It is much less common these days. The most recent example, to my knowledge, was the first game of our 10-year anniversary bit.

Click here for that

How do you suppose you'll use this other game to guide you in this game?

Thank you, Jx3!

& for the bolded, just to the type/style of comments or gameplay, etc..

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:45 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:41 pm Thank you, Jx3!

& for the bolded, just to the type/style of comments or gameplay, etc..

Happy to be of service. By all means, if you think that will help you, then do your thing. Would you say there was anything you picked up in your experience with the Severance game that you'll apply to this game?

Don't worry, this isn't a job interview. Necessarily.

Trust my instinct/gut more. I played a little too passively; perhaps it would have been more useful to town if I had contributed more, perhaps not.

Any advice from a master like you, JJJ?

These initial three posts from DM struck me as coming from a lone mind. I didn't get the impression that DM had support outside the thread, and I think I'd have some clue what that might look like because of her masonry with Jack in the previous game.

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DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:36 pm Having read the most recent page, and gone through SVS posts.... they ping me the post so voting for them (SVS)... Scotty might be wolf, but I don't see it personally.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:37 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:32 pm This game started in a moment when my free time doesn't really exist.
I would like to have a solid town read to sheep it.
Who should I sheep Jay?

Read the last page or two. Go over some posters' comments, look at the players with votes, and then create your own read. If it happens to overlap with Jay's great, if not, no harm.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:40 pm @Bereft you really seem to be advocating for SVS... any reason in particular?

I advised DM late on Day 1 to operate with the most recent material instead of trying to completely catch up, and I appreciate that she had the courage to do that. She developed impressions of initial content, and she looked into a specific dynamic that has been significant in the game to make a judgment (S~V~S vs. Scotty). She tried her best to make her mark around EOD.

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DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:42 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:40 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:36 pm Having read the most recent page, and gone through SVS posts.... they ping me the post so voting for them (SVS)... Scotty might be wolf, but I don't see it personally.

can you elaborate why? also how much time do you have to play in the next 140 minutes

They are right like in the middle when it comes to posting activity; mostly fluff yet opportunistic enough to jump on the Scotty vote... IDK, it's not a lot but it's my read.

And I have like the next 40 minutes and then I have to go offline

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:16 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:13 pm So out of the 13 active players, only 9 have voted.

Long Con, Michelle, Dr. Wilgy & LoRab are the players who have abstained so far.

They are also the players with less than 30 posts. Everyone else with more posts than 30 has voted.

SVS still my biggest ping.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:26 pm At this point, willing to switch Scotty for really exploding my confusion with LC and LC to its max potential.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:26 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:26 pm At this point, willing to switch Scotty for really exploding my confusion with LC and LC to its max potential.

wait, nvm, we are back at the same page with SVS

I just think this process is organic.

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DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:32 pm As of now, this is where I am at.

town reads: me [dm], robyn, Cape90
town lean: scotty, jjj, dr. wilgy, Rondo

????: michelle, thunal, princess A, LoRab, ts account

mafia reads: SVS, bereft

Suspecting Bereft in this gamestate is probably a good sign, frankly. I will allow her to expand for herself on why she feels that way before I say anything more, though.

~~~

The operative term here is purity. I know that idea makes some people uneasy, but the good news is that this isn't the typical "uwu :3 :3" kind of purity that anyone can fake. It's purity of solving process.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:19 pm Why is DrWilgy town?

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:38 pm Someone tell me the cases for the lead wagons, I'm stuck in work hell and going to see the kids tomorrow so activity/reread time will be light today if at all.

Scotty/Thunal.

Clearly there's a wolf in the Scotty, Bereft, Cape90, Jay realm, so which of these is it?

Wilgy arrived to the game late after the thread had ballooned quite a bit. For him to open his solving in this manner is very Wilgy-appropriate. Instead of either saying nothing relevant or spamming out considerable "false solving" content as he sometimes does as mafia, he fell in the right midpoint.

He pointed to the immediately visible wagon: Scotty - 3 (Bereft, Cape90, Jay), and he made a read on the basis of that poll. It was the data he could operate with without needing to be caught up, and it's exactly the kind of read that Wilgy thrives on (whether he is right or wrong).

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:20 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:32 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:38 pm Someone tell me the cases for the lead wagons, I'm stuck in work hell and going to see the kids tomorrow so activity/reread time will be light today if at all.

Scotty/Thunal.

Clearly there's a wolf in the Scotty, Bereft, Cape90, Jay realm, so which of these is it?

I dunno, but I’m gonna be pissed if I get D1’d again by a bad Jay only for town to lose to him in endgame.

Understandable.

No thoughts on your voters while responding to this inquiry feels weird.

When Scotty replied in a reads-neutral manner, Wilgy was cordial in receiving that reply but also remained severe in keeping Scotty on his toes. Wilgy has an eye for communicative weaseling, and I like that he is playing that way here.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:14 pm as it stands from my gleaning afew pages.

Could vote Bereft, Scotty, Robyn.

Gonna start skimming ISOs.

After a few pages of getting context, Wilgy arrives at these three suspects. Two were involved in the prior Scotty wagon dynamic (Scotty and Bereft), and one is glued at the hip to Bereft (robyn). This makes perfect Wilgyan sense.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:23 pm Michelle is, underwhelming, but I can at least see where t Michelle sees Robyns inquiry towards J as weird.

I wouldn't yeet.

One could accuse Wilgy of being too easy on Michelle here, but his conduct today is a nice counter to that. He also voted Michelle on Day 1 in the end based on his preference against getting the zero poster. Wilgy is a data-driven player (and votes/flips are his most important resources), so I completely believe his opposition to killing Seanzie.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:37 am Gross.

2 of our dead as no voters feels like a personal offense to me.

Case in point. [though, while the Seanzie and Long Con deaths may not be great for data collection, it's at least preferable to have town who place votes alive right now]

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:48 am Just skimmed the Longest Congest and Scotty unlikely made this kill while at the same time receiving this curse. So that's neat.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:36 pm Also [VOTE: SVS] aubergine.

In reading through LC, I find Scotty to be just town, and now kinda get the SVS wagon. Also skimmed SVS's ISO and they seem to be in range.

Great nuance. Wilgy goat.

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I town read Wilgy on gut, and this review converts gut to data. He is a strong town read.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:52 pm Robyn
Cape
JJJ
Bereft

Michelle
DrWilgy

DarlingMonroe
SVS
Rondo
ts account

LoRab
Scotty
Abigail

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:48 pm I don't actually like Thunal's posting at the moment, but this might just be a me thing and not an actual cause for concern. Feels rote.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:48 pm fwiw I have a bit of paranoia about Abi since when we've played as t/t I've found her solid town by now. When you take out her pushing Jay I feel like she hasn't done some of the trademarks I've seen from town Abi. Like she seemed less invested in the chop than I've seen her be before. I'd expect her to take a stronger stance on not killing a 0 poster.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:51 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:47 pm okay just fyi when i started the day, I thought Long Con's role meant he was 3p LOL, Derp

I momentarily did that the second time I saw the flip.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:03 pm Rondo is probably 0 for 3. Oops.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:00 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:56 am

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Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:52 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:50 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:48 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:28 pm

There's someone he thinks was suspicious at EoD, but I cant for the life of me figure out who that was.

He thinks Michelle might've been rescued, and wants to flip them because if it flips red then it clears J³.

Idg how this curse works. Why is J³ not censored ugh.

yeah its a frame rescue. It was tvt d1. Wolves had full control of thread

I also think the wagons were t/t but I don't think a coordinated frame rescue makes any sense. If I were wolfing I'd easily go on town Michelle who could be cleared later over no show Seanzie.

This is the post you respond to? This one. lol

You realize I'm catching up and haven't read everything yet?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:44 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:26 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:37 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:49 am
What's normally suspicious about your style?

I think this kind of comment about finding it weird you're too trusted is >rand mafia. A lot of townies are confident in their townieness even if they are suspected often, but it's easy for mafia to assume they're suspicious.

One one level, I have no idea. Maybe I'm just drawn that way? Some of it is how I approach the game and suspicion--some of it is meta, but a lot of it is noticing patterns and when those patterns are off. Which many see as a suspicious way to suspect people, apparently.

And, in a bigger way, your noting my discomfort in being trusted is an excellent example of why--on this particular site. It's a mafia culture thing. I learned mafia in a very different setting than that of most of the players on here. There are some players (SVS, LC in this game) I've been playing with for about 15 years--I think Wilgy for at least a decade. I may have forgotten someone else who is in this game (other than our wonderful host). The game we played then, on sites like LP and The Piano, was stylistically different--we developed our own mafia slang, almost all games were ones in which pretty much everyone has a power, info dumping was essentially always frowned on--at least past a certain point, when we all seemed to realize it's not nearly as much fun that way, and agreed that there just wouldn't be any any more. Where puzzles and hidden messages were everywhere. This site, in large part, grew out of that world--and merged it with other mafia communities.

The mafia game style of those other communities mostly became the prominent culture, with some aspects of my original realm staying around. like this color.

And I still play with my same style that I always have, even though I know that most around me have a different style--and will suspect me for my style. I'm good with that.

Although, I do twirl a lot less than I used to.

As for your suspicion, unless I'm misunderstanding ">rand mafia" (as I don't actually know what that means). It is very par for the course in the games of most of my mafia playing for civvies to not want to be publicly trust. I mean, I guess in a game where there is only 1 bad faction (and no apparent neutral or indy roles), it makes more sense for civs to not worry so much when trusted, but...I'm still more accustomed to games where such a structure (2 teams, one good one bad) is the exception and not the rule,

While I'm waxing nostalgic, and in a Ted Lasso game, a shout out to the OG Diamond Dog, in whose honor this smiley was created It's literally based on the actual human. I miss that FEB.

Okay, what you and JJJ said about not wanting to be townread makes sense, and that comment might be NAI coming from you. You said JJJ's play was too much work to be fake, how much experience do you have with him? Afaik he tries hard as both alignments and can't be effort cleared alone.

minor concern

why assume that comment is NAI coming from LoRab if you question how much experience they have with JJJ?

I didn't mean the JJJ comment, I meant the comment about not wanting to be trusted because LoRab is an old school player.

So let me get this straight.

You will respond to the above comment to cape that you were tagged in

and the comment from me that you werent tagged in.

and yet you didnt see at all on that page that I was pushing a you / jjj / cape + 1 angle when there is a 4 minute interval between post 1 and post 2?

Gonna have to press x to doubt here

I saw it, I just didn't think it was worth responding to.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:51 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:34 pm Even though flutterby says they have a spirit interpretation on Candle (and, no offense, I grasp those interpretations with a sprinkle of pepper), I am slanted to trust them on Candle. I mean, I previously had Candle as a city interpretation, but it provides me comfort about Flutterby rolling out so self-assured about it now.

There was a ton of commotion in the preceding 30 moments. By my calculation, there was a 2-vote 5-method bind 15 min before Dusk. Whirlwind gushing in to randomly vote Seanzie and the spar with Wilgy are crimson banners. (Or crimson cards, lol)

You can’t reveal me wolves weren’t busy leading off of Rainbow. That gazed like a rescue to me, and it functioned.

I'm not going to try reading this.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:36 am Cape / Thunal / JJJ were chatting up a storm yesterday. Today they are silent as the grave