The Syndicate

Someone tried to kill me and done did it.

thellama73 wrote:A message from Aesop and Son:

There was once a dairy farmer name John who was well-known for making the most delectable butters and cheeses for villages abound. Unlike most farms in the area, or the world, for that matter, his cows were treated to the choicest of grasses and daily massages, which resulted in a creamier milk for processing, which resulted in customers begging for his wares at astounding rates.

Despite his success, John was still paying off a large debt to his landlord, Sir Neville Anderson, whose family had indentured John’s for generations. John would not be relieved of said debt for some years to come; still, he remained optimistic that his skill in dairy would make him a free man someday, and continued to work hard at his craft. Sir Neville was particularly fond of the gorgonzola that John produced, and if John made enough of it to satisfy his lord, a portion of his debt was slashed from the monthly payment.

Now, John had a wife he loved dearly, but often asked a lot him despite his workload and debt. One Monday, she inquired, in her most irresistible voice, all the while batting her eyelashes, if he could make 20 pounds of butter for an engagement party she was throwing at week’s end. John, not wanting to disappoint his wife, immediately agreed to the deal. He quite forgot, however, that the end of the month was drawing near, when Sir Neville would be asking for his payment and supply of gorgonzola.

John was undeterred in his task. By day, he processed milk into butter, averaging about three pounds a day if he skipped lunch breaks. By night, he checked and maintained his aging gorgonzola, and prepared the supply for packaging and transportation to his lord’s house, for Sir Neville desired an extra-large portion this month. He slept rarely and ate more rarely still, growing paler and skinnier throughout the week, yet continued working hard nonetheless. On Friday, John’s wife dropped by the processing room to check on his work; by then, John had managed to produce 15 pounds of butter, but this was certainly not enough for the large party she had planned, and she grew upset. “You promised you’d be able to do this!” she cried, throwing her hands in the air. “I’ve given you plenty of time. What on earth have you been doing all week?” Then, she burst into tears. “You must care more about that wretched lord’s cheese than me and my needs.”

John looked at his wife with tired eyes. “I’m living for giving Sir Neville his bleu,” he replied, then smiled and hugged her despite his exhaustion. “But I’m churnin’, I'm churnin’, I'm churnin’ for you!”

Needs more cow bell.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis has been killed.

a2thezebra wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Bottom line is that Scotty is 50% likely to be bad, but without BTSC.

Do you want to lynch him straight off tomorrow, or do you want to leave him alone and hunt the BTSC mafia? You know, the ones with the kills?
Finish him off. There may be secrets, and though he doesn't have direct BTSC it is said that he can give messages to the two that do have it.

I'm sure that letting him live for too long while we aimlessly try to go after the other two will turn out to be a bad idea.

Secrets? Nah.

I'm fine lynching him again, but I am prioritizing Boris and Natasha.

a2thezebra wrote:I still haven't seen any evidence for why Elohcin is civilian though. She is pretty obviously bad to me.

You don't need evidence that someone is civilian. You need evidence that someone is bad.

How is she pretty obviously bad? Go.

Bottom line is that Scotty is 50% likely to be bad, but without BTSC.

Do you want to lynch him straight off tomorrow, or do you want to leave him alone and hunt the BTSC mafia? You know, the ones with the kills?

Scotty wrote:Well that happened.

Elohcin wrote:Are you being mean, Epi

Not at all.

Elohcin wrote:no one died. time to reread the roles.

You do just that and then tell us what you find.

Mmm hmm.

bea wrote:Just got to work running late. Making an unsure trust vote for Scotty if you guys think it's best.

I don't think you will be.

Scotty won't vote to save himself?

S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Of the people with votes, I think Scotty DOES have a baddie game. I am not sure I am seeing it here.
Can you elaborate?
It is hard to explain; he just *feels* jabbier to me when he's bad, not unlike how I view LC when he's bad; he makes little one liner pokes at people for reasons I don't fathom. Which isn't to say *I* have to fathom everyone elses thoughts. But in LOST Again I read Scottys posts with my forehead scrinched up and one eyebrow almost in my hairline. In LOST Again, I could pretty much pull him out of a hat after a few posts. I am not seeing it as much here. He danced around it a bit more, IMO. Here he is pretty much sticking to his guns. He looks totally different to me than he looked in that game, and more like he does in the games I have seen him mislynched.

BUT God knows I could be wrong, though; see the last 2 lynches. My civ game always goes off the rails when I have to defend before I get a chance to settle in to the thread.

@Bea, yeah I kinda agree. But even if Llama were to allow votes for Matt (and in the past he has not cut replacements slack iirc) I would feel better letting him settle in. Replacing into a role taking suspish is not easy.

Which reminds me, I don't know about anyone else, but I thought Suspish-Gate in GOC was hilarious.

And see, I thought his response to Eloh was snippy and dismissive. That's something I don't associate with a civilian Scotty.

S~V~S wrote:Of the people with votes, I think Scotty DOES have a baddie game. I am not sure I am seeing it here.

Can you elaborate?

Scotty wrote:1. I don't really have a baddie game. "It would be like you to do this kind of kill. The only time I have been Mafia with Elo is in Home Alone, and the only other time was "Lost Again", which she wasn't a part of. So of course I'm going to rebel at her talking like she knows what I would do as Mafia, since she only has one game to draw from. That's my point.

2. I basically just explained this above. I'm responding to all criticism about me as I can. I'm always serious, except when I'm not.

4. I forgot the third

And my point is she garnered a strange reaction from you, given the circumstances.

Lemme preach on it.

Elohcin has no credibility in this game despite numerous people saying she's good and going out of their way to save her. Hell, she has two votes. Again.

Yet you seemed to react as though she had already made up her mind. You didn't welcome her scrutiny- you dismissed it. "lol u don't know me" and "this is WIFOM" like. She doesn't know what you would do if bad, that's true- but she does have more insight than most people do.

I'm willing to keep my vote here for now.

Scotty wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Scotty wrote:Had a long day yesterday. Catching up now.

Glad Mafia is being merciful and killing off low-posters. More content = more power
C'mon SVS...is it you? I think you're playing with our heads haha.

OR, is someone trying to frame SVS. *ponder, ponder*

Scotty, this post makes me wonder about you. "More content = more power". I think it would be like you to do this kind of kill and then make a statement about it like that.

I am quite busy atm but when I get a chance, I am going to reread you.
Lol we were on a baddie team together once and now you think you know my baddie game so well?

Please reread me and let me know what you'd like me to respond to other than WIFOM. I like to talk, as you know.

As for your SVS theory, are you trying to frame SVS?

This post drew my attention.

"Lol we were on a baddie team together once and now you think you know my baddie game so well?"

A few things awry about this nugget:

First, there are a handful of players who are obvious when they are civilian or mafia. I mean like three or four. Scotty is sophisticated enough not to be one of those. So it baffles me that he (thinks he) has a "baddie game," especially here, where he's (to my knowledge and not counting games he is currently in) only been mafia once.

Second, Elohcin didn't say anything about being on a team with him or knowing how he plays. She didn't make a definitive statement. She didn't say she was going to vote for him. She expressed an observational opinion and then said she would reread him. Why so serious, Scotty? lol indeed.

Third, I forget third.

Golden wrote:
Matt wrote:RIP Scotty

Question for anyone/everyone - Are you personally under the impression that MP is Wonder Boy?
Can someone please go back to Day 4 in their Delorean and bring Matt back.

I voted for Great Scott.

For the present.

nijuukyugou wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Really? When was that? I don't recall it.
Occultism, I believe. Day 1. Speaking biblically.

Oh yes. Good times.

Epignosis wrote:11 At the end of the first Day, the heavens opened and fire consumed the earth. And there came a voice from the clouds, the voice of our Lord God Free.

Let it be known.

Really? When was that? I don't recall it.

nijuukyugou wrote:
Sorsha wrote:Can Matt be voted for or not?

I'm placing a vote on wilgy for now, I know I was totally off in meta play reading him last game but I'm not feeling great about him atm.

I've been reading a few players and really just have a handful of players who I won't be voting for.
I feel similarly regarding the last statement. I won't vote Eloh. I feel pretty decent about Epi. I'm feeling much better about Sloonei after reading his recent posts (they're more reminiscent of the civ game I've seen).

I'm not sure how to read Matt/MP at the moment in light of recent events, so I think I'll let that one rest for a day so I can see what Matt says. Wilgy also makes me feel itchy ("also" in response to the post above), but I think that's always the case in games I've been in with him - he's very avant-garde. However, there hasn't been much explanation from him for his votes, so that's also where the itch comes from (and now that sounds kinda gross).

Dunno about bea. So nice. So unsuspicious every time I play with her. Makes me think

Dunno if any of that was helpful, but those are my thoughts at the moment. Back to my other task. Still here for a bit.

I don't think you've ever led a lynch on someone. Maybe you should have a go at it.

To those of you who have no inclination to vote Elohcin (including Elohcin, if she actually, you know, votes or something this time around), I propose this:

No last minute flippity-floppy nonsense, no uninformed votes, no worrying about having to save Elohcin- I believe it we put our heads together and collectively decide who needs to be lynched rather than who needs to be saved, we can ensure Elohcin doesn't get lynched and actually have a chance of netting Mafia.

And I know those whom I trust. I'll return with some analysis.

Oh, and don't get cute and try to lynch me either.

DrWilgy wrote:If that's the case... Ok! In good time you will see
*The doctor lunges out of his chair*
BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

Also, I don't think Epi is bad!

You are a strange little Wilgy.

And here we go again with this bullshit.

a2thezebra wrote:Why wouldn't she be? Also, yeah, you kind of are reading her as civilian out of nowhere. But at least you've been doing it the whole game.

I'm reading her as a civilian out of nowhere.

Damn damn damn, if only I had some sort of credibility, some history, some sort of way to convince people that I'm right about her.

Ah well. What a pity.

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Also regarding CFDs, disagree with my hunting if you wish, but I had e best interests of town at heart and I think that was evident. I also could not have accomplished the switch to indi if no one followed me. And let's not forget that I did it because I found the main candidates (Elo, me, Sloonei) unsatisfactory. Because they were.
CFD is stupid. It rarely works. Just like rainbow lists are bullshit. I'm sorry, but a lot of the stuff brought over from RYM just sucks. Y'all keep on with it if it makes you happy, but not this cowboy.
Hey whoa wait, we've never even heard of Chinese Fire Drills before. And we borrowed the rainbows from last year's champs tournament.

Also my read-through of Epi's post history may have just bumped him ahead of Scotty on my, ahem, Rainbow List.

My comment was ignorant and ill-informed. I should not have made such a sweeping and hyperbolic comment.

a2thezebra wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Scotty wrote:Had a long day yesterday. Catching up now.

Glad Mafia is being merciful and killing off low-posters. More content = more power
C'mon SVS...is it you? I think you're playing with our heads haha.

OR, is someone trying to frame SVS. *ponder, ponder*

Scotty, this post makes me wonder about you. "More content = more power". I think it would be like you to do this kind of kill and then make a statement about it like that.

I am quite busy atm but when I get a chance, I am going to reread you.
Another day, another vote for Elohcin.

After two kills of silent players in a row, I'm way more suspicious of anyone who takes issue with comments about killing off the silent players than the people commenting about killing off the silent players themselves. What I mean by that is that it makes more sense to me that mafia would do this so that they could fish for comments like Scotty's (a perfectly natural and accurate statement about the game) and call it suspicious because they can pull out the "you planned this so you could say this" card. I don't get why so many players started reading Elohcin as civ out of nowhere.

I don't see Elohcin as a civilian out of nowhere. I think my opinion on her should be seen as a weighty one. You think she's bad even though a lot of people are calling her good. How does that work exactly? Is she just that good at fooling people?

Hi Matt. Are you bad?

I almost got lynched because of an uninformed vote. Hell yes I'm going to criticize that play.

Day 2 scrambling resulted in Rocky getting lynched. Hell yes I'm going to criticize that play.

Both times, people have forced my hand to save civilians rather than lynch Mafia. Hell yes I'm going to criticize that play.

I'm sorry if you are upset, MP, but Mafia is about scrutinizing people and their reasons for doing what they do. You have two phases under your belt that have been detrimental to civilians. That warrants scrutiny and criticism.

That's all I'm going to say about that.

Confirmed: We have a save the P-score kind of Mafia.

thellama73 wrote:Host question: what the heck is a CFD?

Chinese Fire Drill. It refers to basically bandwagoning someone unexpectedly near the end of the Day.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm really annoyed by all of you frankly. Thankful I have a lot to accomplish today especially given my less than ideal productivity lately. Have fun hunting for mafia. I'll be back later to vote when I'm not pissed off.

Will that be before you've read the thread or after you've made eleven hundred posts in a row at the end of the Day while most people are at work?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Also regarding CFDs, disagree with my hunting if you wish, but I had e best interests of town at heart and I think that was evident. I also could not have accomplished the switch to indi if no one followed me. And let's not forget that I did it because I found the main candidates (Elo, me, Sloonei) unsatisfactory. Because they were.
CFD is stupid. It rarely works. Just like rainbow lists are bullshit. I'm sorry, but a lot of the stuff brought over from RYM just sucks. Y'all keep on with it if it makes you happy, but not this cowboy.
You can do whatever you want but I would appreciate it if we didn't mock each other's methods. I'm so fucking sick of the rainbow list bashing. I can't ever go a game without someone complaining about it. Just shut up about it everyone. It gets real old real fast.

My entire M.O. involves mocking rainbow lists. Are you mocking the my methods?

bea wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey, would you look at that, I went from being pretty much an inactive to having the 2nd most posts in the thread. Take that, zebra.
so suppatown? just asking....

I'm guessing at this point, my post count went up too. What does that mean?

bea is smart x3.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also regarding CFDs, disagree with my hunting if you wish, but I had e best interests of town at heart and I think that was evident. I also could not have accomplished the switch to indi if no one followed me. And let's not forget that I did it because I found the main candidates (Elo, me, Sloonei) unsatisfactory. Because they were.

CFD is stupid. It rarely works. Just like rainbow lists are bullshit. I'm sorry, but a lot of the stuff brought over from RYM just sucks. Y'all keep on with it if it makes you happy, but not this cowboy.

Also, Dex is here, ready to fuck us all up.

bea wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Who wants a CFD?

Let's CFD Epi, indiglo, or Long Con please.
*brings out old cane again*

I know these are new tools we are playing with - but when does this actually net baddies? My old lady mentality always sees this as pressure to vote against instincts and voting against instincts can't be good for civs can it?

Did it work out well this time? Can you show me a time where it has?

bea is smart again.

bea wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm almost 100% sure that everyone (idk about Scotty) with votes right now is civilian. I was legitimately pinged by Elo earlier, but I await her explanation (I hope she has responded, I'll find out soon enough), but the fact that Long Con voted for her (whom I find more suspicious) puts off alarm bells to me. Elohcin is an incredibly convenient target for most baddie teams because she's so easy to get lynched. She's low hanging fruit.
In my reading of the thread from start to finish, I have to disagree here.

Eloh is one of my strongest town reads.

I can't believe others don't see it tbh.

Maybe it's just because I got all the way up to hear knowing where the end lead, but still....

Eloh actively asked questions of like every major thing that happened. She wasn't pushing an agenda. She was inquiring and asking questions.

I'm up in the air about lots of peeps at this point - and some is predicated by apparent vouching - but as far as actual in thread stuff goes? Yup. Eloh is totes town.

bea is smart.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo, I appreciate your concern, but I'm not claiming any such role. I have a more intimate (for lack of a better word) mafia history with Sloonei than many others due at this site; I've hosted with him in Talking Heads and played games with him here and on RYM, and especially noted the differences between his civilian and mafia meta lately.

To clarify: to say the least, I'd be shocked if he flipped civilian. I'm pretty much putting my reputation on the line by vouching for him, but not in any attempt to mess with outing rules; rather, only to express how strongly I feel about him being town this game.

I perhaps have gone a bit overboard, but only because he has been receiving a lot of attention and he has almost been lynched.

I was under the impression that Wilgy was under the voodoo, the way he was posting.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I was forced to vote for you ("seduced") by the baddies. Did you not see that you are now in the green section of my rainbow immediately after the Day was over?

Are you lying about that? llama said people are allowed to lie.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:One additional point, Sorsha: you say I "bailed". That is incorrect, and it leads me to believe you have sinister intentions. I'm not going down without a fight. Sorsha is exhibiting suspicious behavior and I have every intention of pressuring her tomorrow.

You did bail.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I don't know how to read niju.
Protip: She's good.
Can you elaborate on this in any way? I know you can read her and Elo well, but it'd be nice for me to understand where your thought process is coming, rather than just something to the effect of "trust me, they're good, and anybody could tell if they read the thread".
If I can read them well, then it isn't a thought process I can explain, is it?
Sure, it is. Just point to a post and tell me why you think that post shows a townie mindset of whoever it is.

Nah.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I don't know how to read niju.
Protip: She's good.
Can you elaborate on this in any way? I know you can read her and Elo well, but it'd be nice for me to understand where your thought process is coming, rather than just something to the effect of "trust me, they're good, and anybody could tell if they read the thread".

If I can read them well, then it isn't a thought process I can explain, is it?

Sloonei wrote:I don't know how to read niju.

Protip: She's good.

a2thezebra wrote:Okay. Elohcin was fucking saved. You've got everyone who voted for indiglo out of nowhere for no reason, you've got MP who switched his vote from indiglo to Epi while still advocating that indiglo would be a better lynch than Eloh when keeping his vote on indiglo would have put indiglo at the lead at the time, (waffly, just a little bit waffly that is...just a tiny bit) you've got Scotty's vote for MP with reasons he couldn't seem to decide, and my personal favorite of them all, you've got Long Con going from his Elohcin vote to saying that he won't accept an Elohcin lynch and then switching to Scotty, effectively sealing indiglo's lynch. So the Elohcin lynch doesn't happen in favor of - surprise - a mislynch. A mislynch of a player that wasn't even talked about as suspicious before very near the end of the day and didn't arrive until it was practically too late to defend against the "thin air" (as she accurately put it) that her mislynch was. I especially loved it when MP asked for indiglo to give him content - when she was already trying to catch up and respond to his non-case - less than ten minutes before the day ended. I think indiglo hit the nail on the head right here:

indiglo wrote: I don't have time to respond to it all MP. Well played. I almost didn't make it on here this morning, but I had a few minutes so I came on. You have twisted and misinterpreted every single post of mine you've quoted.

I am now thinking he may be FL - who survives his first death. That's why he said "kill me instead of sloon." Then he opportunistically jumped on me instead, because why waste your first survival this early?
Get your shit together, town. And way to completely annihilate my town read of you MP. This was the last nail in your-chances-of-being-town's coffin:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?
Here you're expecting her to catch up, respond to your defense, deliver content, and leave behind a legacy post (I'm guessing a rainbow list) in less than three fucking minutes. Are you shitting me? Scotty answered this better than I could.

Scotty wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?
Well maybe she had a CFD on her on the last 30 minutes- because why not- and was too busy trying to defend herself.
"Why not" is fucking right. But you could have stopped it Scotty, and you didn't. If you had switched to Eloh then indiglo might have had a chance, but you didn't seem to care, too busy with your MP vote that didn't change anything and you knew that it wouldn't. I would be reading everyone but sprityo as bad right now but even sprityo seemed shady with his Eloh vote. Maybe he thought that her lynch was more likely at the time, so he contributed to her didn't-end-up-happening lynch for some town cred? Maybe. So everyone's bad, basically. Not everyone is anti-town but everyone's playing like it, fucking hell.

Eloh would have resulted in a mislynch too.

Sloonei wrote:What just happened?

MP happened.

Moving forward, can we please have less "I have to vote to save X so let's scramble last minute" and more reasoned analysis? Even in Rocky & Bullwinkle, there was Mr. Peabody.

I made this up just now.

The Seattle Seahawks went to Golden Corral. The cashier insisted that Earl Thomas go to the buffet ahead of the rest of the team. Marshawn Lynch angrily demanded to know why.

"Safety first," the cashier said.

Elohcin wrote:Epi, are you gonna save ME this time?

And here you are getting ready to miss the vote.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Epi, I won't disagree regarding NK patterns. I think analyzing just one NK this early though is not going to give us anything useful.

And seriously, your suspicion of me was merely to get me playing more, nothing else?

No. It was real. But minds can change.

bea wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:She's fooled me once in three years.

I saw Turnip Head with the devil!

I swear....my wife is outside playing with the kids....there is no way she's bad.... we may have lost but that game was awesome.

You know what else was awesome? You and S~V~S keeping me nearly lynched for days, making me use both my lynch stops before getting BTSC with me as part of the same house.

sprityo wrote:Hmm without putting it into words, I'm feeling a lot of gut read on elo. That and I feel like zeb is a friend, so I will vote elo. Let's see the EPIc save? :3

What does this even mean? "Without putting it into words." Why would you do a crazy thing like articulating the reason behind your vote? "Feeling a lot of gut read on elo."

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Upon seeing the kill, I was transported back to another llamagame, Frisky Dingo, in which the Mafia consciously took out people who were not participating or were not participating much.

The mafia team there consisted of Cookie, S~V~S, Russtifinko, Movingpictures07, and ika.

Only two of those are present here. You'd have to ask yourself if either of them would employ the same rationale for kills as before.
Speculating on NKs is useless. Anyone could have killed anyone else in any game.

I've noticed patterns before, so don't tell me it's useless.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who wants a CFD?

Let's CFD Epi, indiglo, or Long Con please.

You CFD me I'll FU up.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Well, I'll start my rebuttal thusly:

If you lynch Eloh, you're an ignoramoose. Or bad.

So don't do it.

She stuck her neck out for me, and I am now inclined to do likewise because I pay attention and know how to read.

If you need lynch me to discover we're not teammates, that's fine. Knock yourselves out. I'll lose the game, but I'll still Gilbert Gottfried the shit out of you.

MP is casting lazy votes and now suspects nijuukyugou. I don't like that. Switching my vote to MP.
It's OK if you tell me that I'm ignoramoose or bad if I vote for someone, but you don't take heed of my comments similarly re: Sloonei?

How is the "know how to read" comment even necessary? That's unnecessarily adversarial.

How am I casting "lazy" votes? I don't disagree, but you don't really explain that, especially since, as of this post of yours, I had only cast one vote in the entire game: against you.

Yeah, I suspected Blooper in d1 as I was catching up. Why don't you find her suspect? And how does me disagreeing with you make me bad? Townies disagree with each other all of the time.

WTF Epi?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:So we aren't supposed to lynch Eloh, and we aren't supposed to lynch Sloonei.
I'm going to come on out and defend her. I think she's good. If you lynch her, you're just going to look foolish.

I would rather the civilians reevaluate.

As for Sloonei, that was my big suspect. Does Sloonei give up when civilian? When bad? I don't know.

MP suspects nijuu. I don't. So MP has my vote now.
Explain yourself now.

I got your ass in here playing ball, didn't I? Beats the hell out of a last minute, uninformed vote against me.

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