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dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:33 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:28 am This is such a weak argument. The probability of the first one is much higher. And it's not only about the probability of lynching scum or not. With 3 lynches, you get 2 additional flips in one phase. That is great.
no it's not. it's the same reason why a 24/24 game favors mafia imo.

the greatest power town has is time. ya'll might be bored and thinking you want this game over already, but people become easier to read as the game goes on. having 3 independent lynches brings us a lot closer and a lot more info than 3 lynches at the same time on day 2.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:28 am What do you mean by " we need to be talking about people who have no pressure on them too"? Aren't you capable of doing that while having the possibility of lynching 3 of them?
yes, but when everyone is a lynching option, focus is scattered between 30 possibilities.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:28 am > Focus in our discussions

What does this even mean? This is bullshit. Yes, we are 30 players but just because we have 8 players on the lynch platform, doesn't mean we should spend the time talking only about them. That is a waste of a phase.
I didn't say we should "only talk about them" -- you're "projecting" and according to my trusty friends, that's a scumtell.

Well this game isn't a 24/24 one. Time is great, a lynch is better.

Who's "projecting" now? I'm not bored and I don't want this game over already. I can't speak for the other who voted #6 but I don't think boredom is a reason.

Those 3 independent lynches comes with 3 night phases that are baddies greatest power just like the lynch is Town's. What's so bad about gathering the equivalent of that in one phase and giving them only 1 night phase?

What is so bad about a scattered focus? You've been repeating it without explaining why it's bad. What if the people in your bad list aren't option for the lynch? What then?

If there are 30 possibilities, can't you just focus on the person you already suspect?

You did imply it. You're using it as a justification of why one option is better than another. That is the same thing.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:22 am there isn't any very low posters tbh except Zeph and sprityo maybe. everyone's been contributing which is really nice to see. The mod already said inactives will be modkilled, so why waste our time on them? Kenway didn't show up and was promptly replaced by Sloonei.

Why do you think that with the option #6 the lynches are going to be directed at inactives? Don't do already feel good about your baddie list, so why not vote for #6 and push a lynch on 3 amongst those?

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:41 am people arguing statistics and how likely it is we'll vote for scum if we lynch 3 people...how about how likely it is the randomizer will put at least 1 or 2 scum in the pool of 8 for us. we are 30 players, we need some focus in our discussions and need to be talking about people who have no pressure on them too. I am sticking with option 2.

This is such a weak argument. The probability of the first one is much higher. And it's not only about the probability of lynching scum or not. With 3 lynches, you get 2 additional flips in one phase. That is great.

What do you mean by " we need to be talking about people who have no pressure on them too"? Aren't you capable of doing that while having the possibility of lynching 3 of them?

> Focus in our discussions

What does this even mean? This is bullshit. Yes, we are 30 players but just because we have 8 players on the lynch platform, doesn't mean we should spend the time talking only about them. That is a waste of a phase.

sig wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 5:43 pm Wolbre is gut bad and is weird lets lynch him.

What about is boob quest?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 5:27 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 5:08 am I like this case a lot. But I have a few questions,

2. What made you think that she was provoking him to read you as scum? He already stated that he read you as such, and she was quoting you and not him, with something that is true (you flowing under the radar as scum).
indirect provocation. Jay makes an accusation to dunya, dunya says "damn jay, I thought you could read town-me better than that", nutella makes a quip about how I shouldn't bring that up after my scum play in FE. regardless of who she was quoting, Jay was going to see it and that's the point.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 5:08 am 8. How come JJJ should be less of a Town read to her than you? I'm not following. And even if that were the case, what's the problem with her engaging him about other players?
I don't know how come, but it's what she said and she still hasn't provided anything to back up anything she says:
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 5:09 pm Hmm after some thinking/thread development I'm more inclined to think dunya is town and JJJ less so. Still subject to change though.
it's not a problem, but to engage him specifically after I called her scummy only to buddy up with another one of my oppositions (Golden) and still not give any read on me when she had me and Jay at opposite sides of the pole, so despite her "town read on me" she switches tactics by trying to get him to discuss stuff about food, and turn the heat down a notch...seeing as Jay also called her sudden reads on us fake, then end it all by agreeing with him, and calling me the scum. yea. not buying it. it's completely forced.

All right, thank you.

What do you think of her reaction to your suspicions? Felt a bit aggressive (calling your behavior toxic) and over dramatic.

motel room wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 5:00 am Im with the missus now, gonna be social. Comradebob is my pick for quiet scum thus far.

What about him? You've been quiet yourself.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 4:51 am I think nutella is bad, here are some reasons why.

1. she came in innocent enough and made an intro post like the rest of us. she did choose gross runny eggs with salmonella, but that's beyond the point. the first opportunity nutella got was to throw shade at me when jay was reacting to my provoking.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 2:37 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 2:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 2:30 pm dunya is scum.
and I thought you were one of the few who could town-read me accurately. I'm kinda upset. Lizzy too.

oh well. it's not meant to be.
hey we all know what happened in fire emblem. you really can't make that argument anymore
2. nutella has a tendency when scum to observe the thread and when things get lit (esp between 2 civs), she'll chip in. she did this in FE and I was scum with her for whatever duration I played and observed her till end game. it's a strategy and it strangely works, because in the heat of an argument, most people don't pay attention to you, but the quips you make add fuel to the fire. see above. she didn't want me to end the argument and added her fuel by reminding Jay how I flew under his radar in FE. she's basically provoking him into reading me as possible scum without actually saying it. calculated and scheming.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 2:39 pm maybe jay and dunya are both scum, who knows?? meta is twisted yo
3. scum nutella also has a tendency to not harp on one person and have no definite reads on them. civ nutella is organically paranoid, with a healthy dose of tinfoil. scum nutella tries to find posts that wouldn't be deemed scummy if she looks into them and also scum reads them. she doesn't build cases of her own accord on someone with no suspicion. she would love to see a high poster like me, Jay or Sloonei or Golden (if he's not on her team), to get lynched early on. see above. she also adds little quips like "yo" "ayy" and similar when she is scum and trying to downplay something.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 5:09 pm Hmm after some thinking/thread development I'm more inclined to think dunya is town and JJJ less so. Still subject to change though.
4. fake. she didn't think about shit. how did dunya come off as town and jay looked less town than me? it's all mumble mumble words. she probably decided N1 to kill me if I'm not lynched so what better way to do that when she town reads me.

5. she over uses the smiley when she's scum. FE was fulllllll of that shit. I can't unsee it. I'm looking straight into a scum nutella's eyes.

6. I realize that outlining these things will probably make it harder for me to catch a scum nutella in the future, but that's aight.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:09 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 6:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 5:09 pm Hmm after some thinking/thread development I'm more inclined to think dunya is town and JJJ less so. Still subject to change though.
hahaha. and something else that's funny, cos you only have 10 posts yet, but you also did another little scumtell here within those 10 posts that you were guilty of in The Search for Quin and FE. you're a rotten egg.
sorry what? whatever you're seeing, I'm not scum
7. a little while later nutella calls me scummy. she town read me before, she is apologizing to me here, and a little while later, she is seeing scum dunya which she only saw for 1 phase in FE. she also used the shrug emoji, to appear totally clueless, but it's as fake as her little "hmmmm i think dunya is town and jay isn't" from before.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:10 pm I am entertaining dunya and Golden as being on opposing mafia teams.
I believe Golden is probably town. He is confident enough that his role only makes sense as town that it probably is, even though it was confirmed randomized -- since it came up town he can't imagine it as a scum role. He could be faking but that's not the Golden we know, you know?
8. JaggedJimmyJay is supposed to be a less of a town read for nutella than me at this point, yet she engages him just fine about Golden. She doesn't mention me at all. she wants to be in Golden's good shoes. another scum tell for nutella is that she tries to buddy by using TMI. she knows Golden isn't on her mafia team (hey, he could still be on the second one, I ain't clearing Golden that easily), so she tells him exactly when she thinks he'd like to hear. Golden is being reasonable, she's parroting what was already said. and if Golden thinks I project emotion and try to manipulate him, how about that ending there "he could be faking it, but that's not the Golden we know, you know?" ---- I almost shed a tear.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:25 pm A tendency I noticed in dunya's play both in Fire Emblem and Ancient Greece was to speak in absolute terms how a game is constructed (whether its roles or its mechanics) beyond the knowledge a civilian can have or the confidence a civilian should have. Indeed, she was critical of others who considered theories beyond the obvious truth she promoted -- one born of her unique knowledge given her mafia alignments.

Her early stature in this game given Golden's notion of a character submission inspiring a more probable civilian alignment is a suitable parallel. I actually agree with her logic in base terms -- a Mafia game would be in its most proper form, randomized entirely. Mac himself suggested though that this game may be bastardized or otherwise not entirely balanced. There ought to be some room to consider the less obvious or logical possibilities.

dunya's tone overall sounds very much like her mafia game so far.
9. fake as shit. nutella is being as wiffly waffly as she was in FE, she's not provided one solid reason why I'm bad except piggyback on Golden and JJJ. and coupled with everything else up to this point, I'm gonna bet my right and left paws that she is definitely one rotten egg.

10. I made my nutella case. My vote will stay on her. I'll revisit my other scum reads but I'd love people to weigh in on nutella too.

I like this case a lot. But I have a few questions,

2. What made you think that she was provoking him to read you as scum? He already stated that he read you as such, and she was quoting you and not him, with something that is true (you flowing under the radar as scum).

8. How come JJJ should be less of a Town read to her than you? I'm not following. And even if that were the case, what's the problem with her engaging him about other players?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 4:29 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 4:18 am He buys himself a mansiere.
I think you mean the "Bro"

Have you ever considered something for support?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 4:17 am
motel room wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 4:14 am
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 4:07 am
motel room wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 4:06 am I went back to how wolee announced it and it seems genuine, i think its a real task. Dunno why he has a singing task too
Because I'm one of the boobs of Steven Tyler, lead singer of aerosmith
What happems if you find your boob
I'm not exactly sure aside from it being part of my list of tasks until I unlock more

As of now, finding the other boob is your only task? Also, how do your tasks work?

What's the deal with DDL? What does this entrance mean, lol?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 11:46 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 11:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:57 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:54 pm What do you have to say about Golden, Jimbo?
Very little. I had some mild suspicion of him stemming from his interaction with Colin.
What exactly in his interaction with Colin piqued your scumdar?

Also, what do you make of Colin from the same interaction?
I felt their argument was more semantic than substantive, and Golden's accusations that Colin was misrepresenting him fell flat with me.

I have no issue with Colin to this point.

What are your own reads on both?

Overall, I like both of them so far. Golden more than Coling, though. Townies that are calling out what they see and aren't scared of being wrong. I don't enjoy much the mechanical aspect of solving the game since it's very NAI for me, but they seem to be taking it to heart.

One thing about Colin, though. I'm not following Colin's attempt to enter the interaction between Dunya and Golden. I didn't like that and it felt out of place. It was also as non-committal as it can be, because he admitted not having followed it entirely. So he didn't know the origin of their disagreement and thus whole conversation.

Golden narrative that about Dunya trying to control the flow of the game, and not letting other vocal townies lead, rubbed me wrong tbh tbf. I didn't get that from her posts and he might have been doing what he accused her of.

What about Dunya?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:57 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 10:54 pm What do you have to say about Golden, Jimbo?
Very little. I had some mild suspicion of him stemming from his interaction with Colin.

What exactly in his interaction with Colin piqued your scumdar?

Also, what do you make of Colin from the same interaction?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 9:11 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:47 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:19 pm [VOTE: nova] aubergine
are you lynching a no-poster today?
That’s the plan.

That’s always the plan.

If he shows up, then I look at most suspicious. But I’m shit at reading people day 1 anyway soooo
What's up? I'm here
What do you have to say for yourself?

I'm a cool guy

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:57 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:47 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:19 pm [VOTE: nova] aubergine
are you lynching a no-poster today?
That’s the plan.

That’s always the plan.

If he shows up, then I look at most suspicious. But I’m shit at reading people day 1 anyway soooo
What's up? I'm here
Coolbeans

You read any of the things?

I'm currently reading on and off. Should be up to speed in a few hours when I come back home.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:47 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 8:19 pm [VOTE: nova] aubergine
are you lynching a no-poster today?
That’s the plan.

That’s always the plan.

If he shows up, then I look at most suspicious. But I’m shit at reading people day 1 anyway soooo

What's up? I'm here

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