Vanilla Mafia - [MELTED]

[MafiaMenace]

meta is garbage

[nutella]

no, thats not a good enough reason to not provide reason yourself

It is in my view, gauging reactions is a huge part of gameplay

the post you made tells you nothing
you wanted to see people agree or disagree with you but there is nothing there
you made a post shading wayward, which is a majority of your iso at this point

The implication is that he is faking a read on sloonei because they were teammates. The post was clunky and overcomplicated analysis that ultimately resulted in a "neutral-to-town" conclusion. It sketched me out. K?

"shading wayward" is definitely not a majority of my iso.

[nutella]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

[WaywardSon]

{nobody}
{jagged, wayward, epi, g-man}
{rest}
{nutella}
{nobody}

i would put g-man in the top bracket if i let my gut overrule my reason

im going to iso the most vocal players here in a bit

p-edit:
no, thats not a good enough reason to not provide reason yourself

ISOed. MM makes arguments and stances. Progession in his reads. He sorts the players he talks about. His ISO reads Town!MM. Town lean.

[reywaS]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

50 told me, go ahead and switch ya style up, and if they hate then let em hate and watch the money pile up.

[WaywardSon]

no, thats not a good enough reason to not provide reason yourself

It is in my view, gauging reactions is a huge part of gameplay

the post you made tells you nothing
you wanted to see people agree or disagree with you but there is nothing there
you made a post shading wayward, which is a majority of your iso at this point

The implication is that he is faking a read on sloonei because they were teammates. The post was clunky and overcomplicated analysis that ultimately resulted in a "neutral-to-town" conclusion. It sketched me out. K?

"shading wayward" is definitely not a majority of my iso.

Shading players in general IS the majority of your ISO. You can't demand that players give substantial content when what you give is bullshit reactionary shade.

[MafiaMenace]

Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS

what

ebwop

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know

mmmmmm I don't like this

ISOed Sloonei. Has strong feelings/read on Epi(not ISOed.) Has been present and by virtue of asking questions of me is at least making the attempt to solve my slot as well as others. There is question to his EOD vote to break the tie between several players one of which was himself. I assume he voted on a PoE order of his. Absolutely nothing I wouldn't do in that situation. If you are town and in that situation you have an obligation to the game to vote to self pres as you know you are town. Hopefully your PoE is where you hit a scum. If not information is gathered. If you are scum then the same applies. You are obligated to preserve to further your wincon. Intentions of this slot will be sorted as the game progresses. As of this point it read nullish to very slight town. Will reassess once all Isos are completed as the T-N-S guage may need tweaking.

like.... what even is this

[VOTE: g-man] aubergine That is bullshit and you know it

sprityo dropping a driveby self-vote.

Gross.

I don't think @MafiaMenace has checked in but has @WaywardSon explained his vote?

heres a few off the top of my head

also there was a bit of strawmanning in there as well which is just great

[WaywardSon]

I just drove straight through from Waco Texas to Cincinnati. I’m tired. I can’t look at the game until tomorrow, I apologize guys.

Nothing.

[MafiaMenace]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

[WaywardSon]

so there was a 3 way tie between jay, sloonei, and eloh. which sloonei broke

the underlined was everyone who put a vote in thread and was their last vote yesterday

Yes. What are you thinking?

i mean. i can't say sloonei looks suspicious because it's technically self vote. but it was a 1/3 chance so i mean it's NAI im sure

That's probably the right way to read it. Anyone look suspicious?

....I share I think it was your or Nutella that epi’s antagonizing weirds me out, but I can’t decide if it’s him being town or mafia

He would be my best lead outside of Jay who what appears from our angle to change people’s alignments at a whim (but he says he’s actually hunting)

Then of course we have everyone who isn’t participating. I’m sure there’s one person who didn’t vote yesterday that is scum

Very little content to go on.

[nutella]

Strawmanning where? If you don't explain your accusations I can't respond to them and they are just "shade" as you would say.

[reywaS]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

That right there can drive a sane man bizzzerk. Not to worry mr H to the izzo's back to wizzerk.

[nutella]

I play reactively because that's how I develop reads. I don't conjure them out of thin air (well, sometimes I kind of do lol). Little posts like the ones you quoted are where I am sorting out how I feel about a player in a moment. How else do you expect me to play the game

[MafiaMenace]

what

ebwop

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know

mmmmmm I don't like this

ew with the shade
its funny how immediately after you make a post about me already deciding to push your hang tomorrow, you come back with this
a post that could pivot shit onto me

Yeah I'm really clever huh.

Here's the thing and you can take it to the bank: I don't omgus. Ever. If I find something suspicious I say as much. I don't suspect people for suspecting me. That's bullshit.

nvm there was only one case of strawmanning

[MafiaMenace]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

That right there can drive a sane man bizzzerk. Not to worry mr H to the izzo's back to wizzerk.

whos our dedicated decoder for reywas again

[nutella]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

....have you thought about this for more than thirty seconds?? of course we take that into account. in fact "so-and-so is looking a bit too much like their usual town self" is a fairly common accusation. imitation of town meta as scum is rarely perfect and a good synthesis of meta and other information can help one sniff it out.

[MafiaMenace]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

....have you thought about this for more than thirty seconds?? of course we take that into account. in fact "so-and-so is looking a bit too much like their usual town self" is a fairly common accusation. imitation of town meta as scum is rarely perfect and a good synthesis of meta and other information can help one sniff it out.

yes ive had a year to think about it because i was brought this argument when i first started

the bolded sentence is a shitty accusation and im disappointed in anyone who uses it

[nutella]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

....have you thought about this for more than thirty seconds?? of course we take that into account. in fact "so-and-so is looking a bit too much like their usual town self" is a fairly common accusation. imitation of town meta as scum is rarely perfect and a good synthesis of meta and other information can help one sniff it out.

yes ive had a year to think about it because i was brought this argument when i first started

the bolded sentence is a shitty accusation and im disappointed in anyone who uses it

Well it's caught many a scum so suit yourself.

[MafiaMenace]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

....have you thought about this for more than thirty seconds?? of course we take that into account. in fact "so-and-so is looking a bit too much like their usual town self" is a fairly common accusation. imitation of town meta as scum is rarely perfect and a good synthesis of meta and other information can help one sniff it out.

yes ive had a year to think about it because i was brought this argument when i first started

the bolded sentence is a shitty accusation and im disappointed in anyone who uses it

Well it's caught many a scum so suit yourself.

you guys must have shitty wolves then

that or its pure luck that you got scum with it

[WaywardSon]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

50 told me, go ahead and switch ya style up, and if they hate then let em hate and watch the money pile up.

ISO. What the f*** was that?
Memes. That's it. Kanye sucks so he probably should go in the PoE just for that. But there's nothing to go on here.

[nutella]

You want reads I got reads.



G-Man
MafiaMenace
JaggedJimmyJay
Epignosis
reywaS
Spacedaisy
sprityo
Sloonei
WaywardSon

[WaywardSon]

Lynch Sloonei. He complains about me wrecking the thread that wasn't a thread, but he is doing nothing. He can't do nothing. He's nothing. He's bad. He is parked on me and acting like that's something. Lynch him.

I’m still at work

Well I'm not.

ISO. Outside of the literally discussion there's not alot of content. Didn't like the sloonei vote on Elo for self pres. Has minimal reads.

[MafiaMenace]

nutella and wayward is tvs
nutella and epi is probably tvs

im going for the overlap first

[nutella]

when have I been "vs epi" (other than the literally thing which was not game content)

[MafiaMenace]

when have I been "vs epi" (other than the literally thing which was not game content)

you arent against him
theres just no other term for it that i can think of

[WaywardSon]

Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-Epignosis
-reywaS
-Sloonei


Neutral/As Of Yet Undetermined Status:
-MafiaMenace
-Sabie
-Spacedaisy
-sprityo
-WaywardSon


Bad Juju Vibes:
-JaggedJimmyJay
-Nutella


The further we get into this game, the more I will try to force those in the middle group into the upper or lower group in my mind. Please show up/participate/give me something tangible that sorts you for me or you might not like where my mind puts you. If/once that line is crossed my ears will be deaf to your protestations.

This ISO reads town from once over. Game progression and scum hunting.

[WaywardSon]

Town

GMan
MafiaMenance

Epi
Sloonei
reywaS
SpaceDaisey
sprityo

JaggedJimmyJay

Nutella

[JaggedJimmyJay]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

This nonsense assumes human performers are perfect, and they absolutely aren't -- on any website (I've played on so many). I recommend an immediate adjustment to that mindset or you've limited yourself for no reason.

Meta should be relied upon sparingly, but never use it ever is ludicrous.

[WaywardSon]

Meta is a useful tool; if applied properly.

[MafiaMenace]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

This nonsense assumes human performers are perfect, and they absolutely aren't -- on any website (I've played on so many). I recommend an immediate adjustment to that mindset or you've limited yourself for no reason.

Meta should be relied upon sparingly, but never use it ever is ludicrous.

we read players metas just as good as a wolf acts theirs

[MafiaMenace]

Meta is a useful tool; if applied properly.

ive never seen a meta read go down perfectly

[WaywardSon]

Meta is a useful tool; if applied properly.

ive never seen a meta read go down perfectly

Sometimes it is a dead give away. Other times it is a predictive device. It takes experience with a player and multiple games to set a norm or range as each alignment. But by no means is it perfect.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

please gimme cliffs on why nutella should be lynched

[reywaS]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

....have you thought about this for more than thirty seconds?? of course we take that into account. in fact "so-and-so is looking a bit too much like their usual town self" is a fairly common accusation. imitation of town meta as scum is rarely perfect and a good synthesis of meta and other information can help one sniff it out.

yes ive had a year to think about it because i was brought this argument when i first started

the bolded sentence is a shitty accusation and im disappointed in anyone who uses it

Well it's caught many a scum so suit yourself.

you guys must have shitty wolves then

that or its pure luck that you got scum with it

Gossip, gossip, ****** just stop it. Everybody know I'm a muthafuckin Monster.

[Epignosis]

meta is garbage

Careful with that language.

You might just make a few friends around these parts.

[Epignosis]

Meta is a useful tool; if applied properly.

ive never seen a meta read go down perfectly

You haven't tried Metamucil.

[Epignosis]

G-Man, I saw your question- I'll respond in a bit.

[reywaS]

ISO. What the f*** was that?
Memes. That's it. Kanye sucks so he probably should go in the PoE just for that. But there's nothing to go on here.

WaywardSon





You need to pump your brakes and drive slow, homie

[reywaS]

I'm not always going to say things the perfect way, the right way. But I'm going to say how I feel.

[G-Man]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

50 told me, go ahead and switch ya style up, and if they hate then let em hate and watch the money pile up.

ISO. What the f*** was that?
Memes. That's it. Kanye sucks so he probably should go in the PoE just for that. But there's nothing to go on here.

Listen, Wayward. I’m really happy for you. I’ma let you finish but reywaS is playing one of the best games of all time! One of the best games of all time!

[WaywardSon]

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

50 told me, go ahead and switch ya style up, and if they hate then let em hate and watch the money pile up.

ISO. What the f*** was that?
Memes. That's it. Kanye sucks so he probably should go in the PoE just for that. But there's nothing to go on here.

Listen, Wayward. I’m really happy for you. I’ma let you finish but reywaS is playing one of the best games of all time! One of the best games of all time!

If you say so.

[reywaS]

[WaywardSon]

Fair enough.

[Epignosis]

Dear G-Man:

G-Man- I do not suspect this person. If I had to name one person as a civilian, it's G-Man, because his thought process jives mostly with mine and he's doing the most work (although the bar hasn't been set real high). Would not lynch.

JJJ- I maintain a healthy suspicion of JJJ, as most of the time lynching him requires an act of God. I read his commentary on WaywardSon. It makes sense to me, but I had differing assumptions when I read WaywardSon's posts. I'll get to those at the end since Wayward starts with a W. For right now, I don't have any pressing reason to lynch JJJ unless I am right about Sloonei. Would not lynch.

MafiaMenace- I do not suspect this person. I give passes to new people Day 1 (and rey, who has returned from the dead, resurrected as an "artist" of questionable skill). MafiaMenace has earned an extension of that pass, because I like his stuff. He started out slow, but I can see a progression of thinking that feels natural and indicates sincerity. Would not lynch.

nutella- nutella gives me fits. I never get her right, so take whatever I have to say about her with a grain of salt (or the whole Morton company). I don't agree with G-Man that nutella fell into some trap of over-eagerness. nutella may be a Gullible-Ass Basic BitchTM, but I'm not buying that. Would not lynch.

reywaS- He is God's vessel. His greatest pain in life is that he will never be able to see himself perform live. Would lynch.

Sloonei- I suspect this person the most. Here is why if you missed it. Would lynch.

Spacedaisy- I've got nothing. Would lynch.

sprityo- The guy has 18 posts, and I do not see where this happened. Would lynch.

WaywardSon- As I said, the way JJJ framed WaywardSon's posts makes sense, but I had differing assumptions when I read them. For example:

So the thread isn't locked at night?

I would have thought, were WaywardSon annoyed by Night posting (because he was bad), he would have voiced his question to Colin privately, and not broadcasted it in the thread. I get that doesn't preclude his being mafia, but that was my own view. However, I have not forgotten this:

im here for like 30 min
catching up

3:05pm EST

im putting catching up on hold
half an hour isnt enough time

3:12pm EST

That's seven minutes.

He tried to make it look like he had invested a half an hour in the thread, but had devoted a whopping seven minutes. Maybe where he's from, they don't have timestamps. Would lynch.

[ColinIsCool]

WaywardSon has been replaced by novaselinenever.

[nutella]

Epi your last point is about menace not ws.

[nutella]

Sorry to see you go ws. I hope you'll give our site another chance, we're a friendly bunch when we're not yelling at each other

[WaywardSon]

Dear G-Man:

G-Man- I do not suspect this person. If I had to name one person as a civilian, it's G-Man, because his thought process jives mostly with mine and he's doing the most work (although the bar hasn't been set real high). Would not lynch.

JJJ- I maintain a healthy suspicion of JJJ, as most of the time lynching him requires an act of God. I read his commentary on WaywardSon. It makes sense to me, but I had differing assumptions when I read WaywardSon's posts. I'll get to those at the end since Wayward starts with a W. For right now, I don't have any pressing reason to lynch JJJ unless I am right about Sloonei. Would not lynch.

MafiaMenace- I do not suspect this person. I give passes to new people Day 1 (and rey, who has returned from the dead, resurrected as an "artist" of questionable skill). MafiaMenace has earned an extension of that pass, because I like his stuff. He started out slow, but I can see a progression of thinking that feels natural and indicates sincerity. Would not lynch.

nutella- nutella gives me fits. I never get her right, so take whatever I have to say about her with a grain of salt (or the whole Morton company). I don't agree with G-Man that nutella fell into some trap of over-eagerness. nutella may be a Gullible-Ass Basic BitchTM, but I'm not buying that. Would not lynch.

reywaS- He is God's vessel. His greatest pain in life is that he will never be able to see himself perform live. Would lynch.

Sloonei- I suspect this person the most. Here is why if you missed it. Would lynch.

Spacedaisy- I've got nothing. Would lynch.

sprityo- The guy has 18 posts, and I do not see where this happened. Would lynch.

WaywardSon- As I said, the way JJJ framed WaywardSon's posts makes sense, but I had differing assumptions when I read them. For example:

So the thread isn't locked at night?

I would have thought, were WaywardSon annoyed by Night posting (because he was bad), he would have voiced his question to Colin privately, and not broadcasted it in the thread. I get that doesn't preclude his being mafia, but that was my own view. However, I have not forgotten this:

im here for like 30 min
catching up

3:05pm EST

im putting catching up on hold
half an hour isnt enough time

3:12pm EST

That's seven minutes.

He tried to make it look like he had invested a half an hour in the thread, but had devoted a whopping seven minutes. Maybe where he's from, they don't have timestamps. Would lynch.

Um you have quotes that I didn't make, making your argument to lynch me?

[Epignosis]

Epi your last point is about menace not ws.

Well I feel stupid. I've been mixing up the two new guys.

[WaywardSon]

WaywardSon has been replaced by novaselinenever.

Never even answered the PM. Ok no problem.