Vanilla Mafia - [MELTED]

[novaselinenever]

I'm currently waffling on Nova vs G-man. I can appreciate luna's accusation that nova made a convenient accusation of gman, but on the other hand I townread Menace pretty strongly and he agrees with Nova (+ the case sloonei made... I haven't even thought about whether sloonei and gman could be teamed hmm).

What do you mean by convenient accusation?

The point Luna made. That you were quick to jump on G for looking compatible with sprityo.

How is that convenient? Are you just going to ignore that I voiced suspicions of him prior to any flip, or that most of the stuff I'm holding against him as nothing to do with his compatibility with Sprityo?

I mean I made a pretty big posts about them (no mention of his compatibility in that post), and I recall you qualifying them as compelling.

[nutella]

I'm currently waffling on Nova vs G-man. I can appreciate luna's accusation that nova made a convenient accusation of gman, but on the other hand I townread Menace pretty strongly and he agrees with Nova (+ the case sloonei made... I haven't even thought about whether sloonei and gman could be teamed hmm).

What do you mean by convenient accusation?

The point Luna made. That you were quick to jump on G for looking compatible with sprityo.

How is that convenient? Are you just going to ignore that I voiced suspicions of him prior to any flip, or that most of the stuff I'm holding against him as nothing to do with his compatibility with Sprityo?

I mean I made a pretty big posts about them (no mention of his compatibility in that post), and I recall you qualifying them as compelling.

Yes, I do remember. I know your case on him is more based on his behavior at EOD regardless of the end result. Still could have been an easy thing to latch onto at the time, and the sprityo lynch just gave it more credibility.

[novaselinenever]

I'm currently waffling on Nova vs G-man. I can appreciate luna's accusation that nova made a convenient accusation of gman, but on the other hand I townread Menace pretty strongly and he agrees with Nova (+ the case sloonei made... I haven't even thought about whether sloonei and gman could be teamed hmm).

What do you mean by convenient accusation?

The point Luna made. That you were quick to jump on G for looking compatible with sprityo.

How is that convenient? Are you just going to ignore that I voiced suspicions of him prior to any flip, or that most of the stuff I'm holding against him as nothing to do with his compatibility with Sprityo?

I mean I made a pretty big posts about them (no mention of his compatibility in that post), and I recall you qualifying them as compelling.

Yes, I do remember. I know your case on him is more based on his behavior at EOD regardless of the end result. Still could have been an easy thing to latch onto at the time, and the sprityo lynch just gave it more credibility.

But my point is that I'm not latching onto it, and it's awfully obvious that I'm not. So how is it convenient?

[novaselinenever]

Don't get me started on the whole opportunist thing, since I'm apparently voting G-man because of his vote on you. Lol

[novaselinenever]

What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

[novaselinenever]

Jay had a nice post about it earlier but I think he was wrong in presuming it isn't Mountainous.

[ColinIsCool]

Just kidding. I meant the ice cream flavor. That exists?

Oh, Chicken Wing. Ew. And I thought mine was bad.

It was an April Fool’s joke, actually, but it’s the most WNY thing imaginable so I had to put it in.

[Lunalee]

Has anyone done an analysis on Sprityo's interactions? That might be helpful.

[Lunalee]

Has anyone done an analysis on Sprityo's interactions? That might be helpful.

Oh wait, just found Sloonei's G-man/Sprityo interaction post:

Spoiler: show

G-man and sprityo:

G, what has that particular quintet on your naughty list?

Listing those five with more clarity this time:

-MafiaMenace & Spacedaisy haven’t had time in 72 hours to participate much. I get real life and all, but in a game this small, we can’t afford the no-show routine for very long at all. Neutral -1 for now.

-WaywardSon has 8 posts of fluff that don’t even attempt to engage the actual game element. Uncomfortable.

-JJJ warned us that he wouldn’t be around much but, even taking that into consideration, his content is meh. One cage-rattling line against sprityo and a weak, ivory-toweresque assessment of Eloh followed by a vote. The post and vote on Eloh looks contrived to me. As if he manufactured a Jay-esque enough of a reason to cast a vote far ahead enough of the deadline. Artificial vanilla?

-Nutella for reasons already stated. She went hard for low-hanging fruit in both me and now Eloh.

Indirect defense via shade at Jay. Not a great look. More of the same here.

And he repeats the process on nutella here

After a bunch more indirect mentions, G finally says something to sprityo here:

Looking forward to that vote analysis you promised in post #257 sprityo. Until then, your ISO is a tad underwhelming. I don’t think I’ve played many games with you yet. Your tone surprised me.

This is a nothing comment. The lightest of prods. This post doesn't even need to exist. There's an awful taste in my mouth. The opposite of vanilla.

Sprit is "neutral" in a tiered reads list.

When G-man poked us all with questions, all he had to say to sprit was "You made bro?" Again, this doesn't need to exist.

0 search results on page 2 of G-man's ISO.

I see more evidence for a partnership here than against.

This actually does make G-man look sort of bad.

[Lunalee]

@Sloonei

I think it's a recurring feeling I've been having with G-Man this phase, and catching up. It started when I noticed him withholding his vote which contrasted with his play of producing isos and inviting discussions. It felt like he was holding on to it to see waiting for the game to unfold and wagons/suspicions grow bigger, rather than as a tool to prod and push the lynches he believes in.

Then towards EoD (even the second half of the phase), his game solving completely crumbled. He's present but there is nothing coming from him. Silent votes, cryptic posts. I didn't see any merits to his GTH exercise, and I still don't. It was specifically tailored to reywaS which defeat its purpose especially at a point where the game was stalled. It served more as an excuse for him to coast than anything else. I didn't get any sense of urgency from his EoD, which makes me believe that he didn't care who got lynched.

Okay nova, I see where you're coming from. I didn't actually read this far last night. The lack of urgency is a problem. If G-man and sprityo are teammates, he probably didn't think sprityo would actually get lynched last-minute. We might also assume the other wagons were town for G-man not to care who got lynched.

[Lunalee]

I looked over the sprityo interactions. I don't feel like posting everything, but here's a road map:

Good looks: Sloonei, nutella, novaselinenever

Meh: Epignosis, MafiaMenace, reywaS, Spacedaisy

Icky: G-Man

^This is something to note. But Jay could have been killed for being wrong, so we would pursue the wrong people.

[Lunalee]

switching to [VOTE: G-man] aubergine because he does come out of this looking icky.

[nutella]

@Sloonei

I think it's a recurring feeling I've been having with G-Man this phase, and catching up. It started when I noticed him withholding his vote which contrasted with his play of producing isos and inviting discussions. It felt like he was holding on to it to see waiting for the game to unfold and wagons/suspicions grow bigger, rather than as a tool to prod and push the lynches he believes in.

Then towards EoD (even the second half of the phase), his game solving completely crumbled. He's present but there is nothing coming from him. Silent votes, cryptic posts. I didn't see any merits to his GTH exercise, and I still don't. It was specifically tailored to reywaS which defeat its purpose especially at a point where the game was stalled. It served more as an excuse for him to coast than anything else. I didn't get any sense of urgency from his EoD, which makes me believe that he didn't care who got lynched.

Okay nova, I see where you're coming from. I didn't actually read this far last night. The lack of urgency is a problem. If G-man and sprityo are teammates, he probably didn't think sprityo would actually get lynched last-minute. We might also assume the other wagons were town for G-man not to care who got lynched.

Yeah this is a great point.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei

I think it's a recurring feeling I've been having with G-Man this phase, and catching up. It started when I noticed him withholding his vote which contrasted with his play of producing isos and inviting discussions. It felt like he was holding on to it to see waiting for the game to unfold and wagons/suspicions grow bigger, rather than as a tool to prod and push the lynches he believes in.

Then towards EoD (even the second half of the phase), his game solving completely crumbled. He's present but there is nothing coming from him. Silent votes, cryptic posts. I didn't see any merits to his GTH exercise, and I still don't. It was specifically tailored to reywaS which defeat its purpose especially at a point where the game was stalled. It served more as an excuse for him to coast than anything else. I didn't get any sense of urgency from his EoD, which makes me believe that he didn't care who got lynched.

Okay nova, I see where you're coming from. I didn't actually read this far last night. The lack of urgency is a problem. If G-man and sprityo are teammates, he probably didn't think sprityo would actually get lynched last-minute. We might also assume the other wagons were town for G-man not to care who got lynched.

Yeah this is a great point.

Agreed. I’m fairly certain we had two civilian wagons mounting for most of the day, and in a situation like that i would expect scum to let their guard down a little and take it easy. This describes G-man’s end of day behavior pretty accurately, I think.

[Sloonei]

The strongest reason to town read G-man, that I can think of, is his Day 1/early Day 2 effort. He made a lot of posts and generally appeared helpful.

But that I thought that reminded me of something, so I did some digging and uncovered Image Mafia G-man, where he was a high-volume poster, given the flavor of that game, early on and appeared as a helpful and diligent civilian early on. Of course, he turned out to be a mafia roleblocker and the whole thing was an act.

[G-Man]

Let’s get this over with, then. With Luna replacing Spacedaisy, we no longer have to worry about mulling over the fate of an inactive. Grill her and don’t let her glom onto the opinions of others. Force original content from her (and everyone, really).

Barring anything compelling, I entered Day 2 pretty sure I would vote for either Nutella or Jay. With Jay NK’d and sprityo’s flip, I find myself less convinced of Nutella’s guilt. That leaves me in a common predicament- I tunneled on a few people and now they’re either dead and civ or I have reason to doubt my reads. This leaves me at square one in a game that’s now too post-heavy for me to re-read to recalibrate all my thoughts, making me both a poor hunter and, thereby, less useful to the civvie cause than ever.

Vote for me but don’t settle down. Don’t get lazy. Keep reading and forcing interaction. The more you guys get reads, theories, and thoughts from each other, the more likely you’ll be able to find the cracks in someone’s posts. Just don’t over-analyze and force people into tidy little boxes.

Mafia is an art, not a science. When you try to force art into becoming science, you get midichlorians and mislynches.

If there’s two baddies left, then it’s 6v2 right now, which will make tomorrow Lylo. If there’s just one baddie left, then there’s plenty of cushion to survive mislynching me.

[reywaS]

Just kidding. I meant the ice cream flavor. That exists?

Oh, Chicken Wing. Ew. And I thought mine was bad.

In the night I hear em talk, the coldest story ever told.

[Sloonei]

Let’s get this over with, then. With Luna replacing Spacedaisy, we no longer have to worry about mulling over the fate of an inactive. Grill her and don’t let her glom onto the opinions of others. Force original content from her (and everyone, really).

Barring anything compelling, I entered Day 2 pretty sure I would vote for either Nutella or Jay. With Jay NK’d and sprityo’s flip, I find myself less convinced of Nutella’s guilt. That leaves me in a common predicament- I tunneled on a few people and now they’re either dead and civ or I have reason to doubt my reads. This leaves me at square one in a game that’s now too post-heavy for me to re-read to recalibrate all my thoughts, making me both a poor hunter and, thereby, less useful to the civvie cause than ever.

Vote for me but don’t settle down. Don’t get lazy. Keep reading and forcing interaction. The more you guys get reads, theories, and thoughts from each other, the more likely you’ll be able to find the cracks in someone’s posts. Just don’t over-analyze and force people into tidy little boxes.

Mafia is an art, not a science. When you try to force art into becoming science, you get midichlorians and mislynches.

If there’s two baddies left, then it’s 6v2 right now, which will make tomorrow Lylo. If there’s just one baddie left, then there’s plenty of cushion to survive mislynching me.

Do you have any specific beefs with Luna's posts?

I hope there are no beef flavored ice creams. My reality can't handle another impact like that.

[reywaS]

@Sloonei

I think it's a recurring feeling I've been having with G-Man this phase, and catching up. It started when I noticed him withholding his vote which contrasted with his play of producing isos and inviting discussions. It felt like he was holding on to it to see waiting for the game to unfold and wagons/suspicions grow bigger, rather than as a tool to prod and push the lynches he believes in.

Then towards EoD (even the second half of the phase), his game solving completely crumbled. He's present but there is nothing coming from him. Silent votes, cryptic posts. I didn't see any merits to his GTH exercise, and I still don't. It was specifically tailored to reywaS which defeat its purpose especially at a point where the game was stalled. It served more as an excuse for him to coast than anything else. I didn't get any sense of urgency from his EoD, which makes me believe that he didn't care who got lynched.

Okay nova, I see where you're coming from. I didn't actually read this far last night. The lack of urgency is a problem. If G-man and sprityo are teammates, he probably didn't think sprityo would actually get lynched last-minute. We might also assume the other wagons were town for G-man not to care who got lynched.

Yeah this is a great point.

[Lunalee]

Let’s get this over with, then. With Luna replacing Spacedaisy, we no longer have to worry about mulling over the fate of an inactive. Grill her and don’t let her glom onto the opinions of others. Force original content from her (and everyone, really).

Barring anything compelling, I entered Day 2 pretty sure I would vote for either Nutella or Jay. With Jay NK’d and sprityo’s flip, I find myself less convinced of Nutella’s guilt. That leaves me in a common predicament- I tunneled on a few people and now they’re either dead and civ or I have reason to doubt my reads. This leaves me at square one in a game that’s now too post-heavy for me to re-read to recalibrate all my thoughts, making me both a poor hunter and, thereby, less useful to the civvie cause than ever.

Vote for me but don’t settle down. Don’t get lazy. Keep reading and forcing interaction. The more you guys get reads, theories, and thoughts from each other, the more likely you’ll be able to find the cracks in someone’s posts. Just don’t over-analyze and force people into tidy little boxes.

Mafia is an art, not a science. When you try to force art into becoming science, you get midichlorians and mislynches.

If there’s two baddies left, then it’s 6v2 right now, which will make tomorrow Lylo. If there’s just one baddie left, then there’s plenty of cushion to survive mislynching me.

So you're recommending everyone force "original" content from myself and each other, but you won't be able to contribute?

I do like that you said, "vote for me but don't settle." I agree fully with that and will continue to look at other people today.

[Lunalee]

[mention]reywaS[/mention] I would love to see opinions from you that aren't in the form of you reacting to other people's posts. Who would you be okay with lynching today, and who do you think should not be lynched?

[Lunalee]

[mention]G-Man[/mention] It's too early in the day for your train to be permanent. No need for the self pity vote. Who would you like to see lynched today?

[reywaS]

@reywaS I would love to see opinions from you that aren't in the form of you reacting to other people's posts. Who would you be okay with lynching today, and who do you think should not be lynched?

Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, unless you will
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, then play you will, I pray you will

Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, you will you will
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, if you will, I pray you will

[G-Man]

Let’s get this over with, then. With Luna replacing Spacedaisy, we no longer have to worry about mulling over the fate of an inactive. Grill her and don’t let her glom onto the opinions of others. Force original content from her (and everyone, really).

Barring anything compelling, I entered Day 2 pretty sure I would vote for either Nutella or Jay. With Jay NK’d and sprityo’s flip, I find myself less convinced of Nutella’s guilt. That leaves me in a common predicament- I tunneled on a few people and now they’re either dead and civ or I have reason to doubt my reads. This leaves me at square one in a game that’s now too post-heavy for me to re-read to recalibrate all my thoughts, making me both a poor hunter and, thereby, less useful to the civvie cause than ever.

Vote for me but don’t settle down. Don’t get lazy. Keep reading and forcing interaction. The more you guys get reads, theories, and thoughts from each other, the more likely you’ll be able to find the cracks in someone’s posts. Just don’t over-analyze and force people into tidy little boxes.

Mafia is an art, not a science. When you try to force art into becoming science, you get midichlorians and mislynches.

If there’s two baddies left, then it’s 6v2 right now, which will make tomorrow Lylo. If there’s just one baddie left, then there’s plenty of cushion to survive mislynching me.

Do you have any specific beefs with Luna's posts?

I hope there are no beef flavored ice creams. My reality can't handle another impact like that.

Luna just subbed in, so the has two luxuries:

1) She may get the benefit of the doubt, time, and space to catch up and generate posts you can evaluate.

2) In catching up, she’s able to agree with the assessments of others rather than generate reads unique to her.

I don’t have anything against her yet (haven’t ISO’d her and may not have time). I just don’t want you to let her get away with glomming onto other peoples’ reads while she catches up.

[G-Man]

@G-Man It's too early in the day for your train to be permanent. No need for the self pity vote. Who would you like to see lynched today?

Luna, I just don’t know. I let myself get too focused one two people and I don’t know that I have the time or energy to start from scratch.

[Lunalee]

@G-Man It's too early in the day for your train to be permanent. No need for the self pity vote. Who would you like to see lynched today?

Luna, I just don’t know. I let myself get too focused one two people and I don’t know that I have the time or energy to start from scratch.

Okay, who are you most focused on right now then?

[Lunalee]

@reywaS I would love to see opinions from you that aren't in the form of you reacting to other people's posts. Who would you be okay with lynching today, and who do you think should not be lynched?

Spoiler: show

Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, unless you will
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, then play you will, I pray you will

Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, you will you will
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, if you will, I pray you will

Does this mean you won't give input until I answer the question I just asked you?

[Sloonei]

sprityo's interactions with others:

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Let’s hope I don’t implode from playing two games at once because I’m a monkey brained fool.

Also Texas

Pre-emptive excuse for lack of participation. This man puts flavorful toppings on his ice cream.

Ice cream is a delicate thing that shouldn’t be blasphemies by toppings

The only acceptable one it a shake with oreos

i dunno about the self-vote, but I flung some poo flavored yogurt at sprityo and he responded with a too-casual joke that I didn’t like much.

i accidently voted instead of looking at votes so now i cant leave my vote on (host/non) now can I?

You accidentally voted for yourself?

no i voted host/non. that's what i just said

sprityo became visibly frustrated with an amalgamation of nutella and myself because of the early pressure we put on him. nutella busted his chops about his Day 1 self-vote here and sprit seemed flustered. Good look for nutella, who is already my top town read anyway.

Epi has big dick man disease

This seems to be a playful jab/observation of fact about Epi. I could see it as a teammate interaction, or friendly banter directed at a civilian to appear calm and amicable.

Spoiler: show

And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

that's why you gotta force people to talk. or else mafia will coast by on inactive town

cite source: JJJ in Phenon: Origins

Pure fluff. I don't think this is a good look for MafiaMenace. This post also seems a little out of place in the larger body of sprit's ISO. At no other point does he preach a strategy like this, or talk mafia philosophy at all. It has the appearance of an obligatory and mechanical public interaction with a teammate.

Seriously though WaywardSon is a glowing red beacon of mafia. The posts are ugly. Y’all can read them and figure it out.

lol Are you considered good at this game? Just wondering.

this is the funniest thing i have read all day

To be fair, that remains the funniest post in the thread. NAI.

@G-Man Right, let me do that now

This is the flip side of the astonishingly weak interaction with G-man that I highlighted yesterday. I'm still not sure why it needs to exist.

At one point during the day, sprityo started reciting the Day 1 vote progression for some reason. When I asked him about it, he said... nothing. I don't know why this wasn't a red flag to me at the time. I changed the subject:

so there was a 3 way tie between jay, sloonei, and eloh. which sloonei broke

the underlined was everyone who put a vote in thread and was their last vote yesterday

Yes. What are you thinking?

i mean. i can't say sloonei looks suspicious because it's technically self vote. but it was a 1/3 chance so i mean it's NAI im sure

That's probably the right way to read it. Anyone look suspicious?

....I share I think it was your or Nutella that epi’s antagonizing weirds me out, but I can’t decide if it’s him being town or mafia

He would be my best lead outside of Jay who what appears from our angle to change people’s alignments at a whim (but he says he’s actually hunting)

Then of course we have everyone who isn’t participating. I’m sure there’s one person who didn’t vote yesterday that is scum

Casts shade at Epi by piggybacking on my case, and vomits some words about Jay and "everyone who isn't participating", which was really just Daisy, but he also includes a bit about the folks who didn't vote Day 1 (MafiaMenace, WaywardSon/nova, + SpaceLuna). Based on this hypothetical salad, I too would not be surprised to find that one of those folks is bad. Thanks sprit.
I'm undecided on the Epi prod. Could go either way, and it's too soft to tell.

nova gets a hard townread out the gates
/s

>makes one piece reference
>townlock

Playful banter with MafiaMenace. That's two interactions that don't need to exist.

Hey so who did nova replace? Daisy?

I thought he replaced WS but that was a misunderstanding????

To quote a great man: "Wild." How are we supposed to interpret this post? sprit publicly asks who nova replaced (the answer is WaywardSon). He thinks it might be Daisy, but also that it might be WaywardSon, or that he misunderstood something(?). Then there's the fact that he put this question into the thread, when the answer is sitting out in the open if he just looks at the front page or at Colin's post where he announces nova's entry, or follows along with the conversation, or asks the host privately. This post is bizarre but I'm struggling to dissect it. It definitely indicates something about sprit's association with SpaceLuna and WaywardVaseline. I just don't know what. He's aware that a substitution has taken place, but is either pretending not to know or genuinely does not know who has been replaced. At the time, sprit was not in any danger of being lynched, so I'm unsure if he would have been planting red herrings in the thread. Somebody help me. What can we make of this post, if anything at all? I don't like this post, let's move on to something easier to digest.

Spoiler: show

-SNIP-

Yeah, Uh

this thread of posts looks poop

like I side with MM on this one. I dont see nutella's side at all

also:

Spoiler: show

ugh id rather it be nutella
but i do think there is one scum between them
and if nova has to be lynched so nutella can be then so be it

My vote isn't permanent.

Talk to me about nutella. I'm always wrong about her. Maybe I can be right for once.

im gonna go over my case again, hopefully expand it more if it wasnt strong enough
if you can, please respond to each point

- many of nutellas posts do not come across as genuine at all
the tone behind them feels way too fake

a few posts here will be overlap with the shady posts of hers ive mentioned

Spoiler: show

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 66#p509066
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 68#p509068
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 81#p509081
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p509280
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 64#p509464
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p509884
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 85#p509885
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 90#p509890
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p510052
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 79#p510079

- nutella needlessly started an argument and wasted time about the word literally

- backpedalling

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 77#p509077

- shade (mostly overlapped with the other links, but for the sake of organisation)

Spoiler: show

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p509080
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 81#p509081
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 36#p509236
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 85#p509885
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p510052

im sure if i hadnt brought nutella into the light they wouldve stuck to the sidelines for the rest of the game, going unnoticed

I agree with him on nutella throwing shade but the backpedaling post he linked and all the other ones labeled "starting arguments" I'm not seeing. It's enough for me to suspect nutella, but maybe im just not seeing what you are since it's just a bunch of posts with a general descriptor. I'm not even gone bring up literally cause nutella wasn't the only one on a useless tangent on that.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

nutella
MafiaMenace

[VOTE: MafiaMenace] aubergine while I dig through his posts next.

[Sloonei]

MafiaMenace & sprityo II

And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

that's why you gotta force people to talk. or else mafia will coast by on inactive town

cite source: JJJ in Phenon: Origins

that was my goal by stirring up an argument

Great exchange.

Indirect defense by attacking nutella based on her treatment of sprit.

That'll do it. To be fair to MafiaMenace, sprit wasn't the most vocal player, so it's not egregious that he'd have so little to say to/about him, but this is sparse, and sparse isn't good in this context. I'll take a broader look at his ISO next.

[novaselinenever]

What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

Thoughts?

[MafiaMenace]

excuse me what lmao

hows the first one a bad look for me, how can i be associated with him off of that post
you questioned me as well with the 'nova is a hard townread off of that' joke, so cut the shit with that hypocrisy bro
the third one was a normal conversation, what about it is wolfy?

this is all opportunistic garbage spewing from my view
call it omgus but that is the least believable shit ive seen

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[MafiaMenace]

What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

Thoughts?

this game is what, 13 players?
id say 3 is the balance here

[MafiaMenace]

3 in total

[novaselinenever]

That indirect defense on Sprit is a stretch

[MafiaMenace]

That indirect defense on Sprit is a stretch

right
theres also that too

[novaselinenever]

What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

Thoughts?

this game is what, 13 players?
id say 3 is the balance here

9 v 3 isn't balanced in my book. The first post "you're all vanilla, but nobody is" implies all generic aka vanilla, but no one is the vanilla flavor.

I mean 10 v 2 is barely balanced with no power roles.

[MafiaMenace]

What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

Thoughts?

this game is what, 13 players?
id say 3 is the balance here

9 v 3 isn't balanced in my book. The first post "you're all vanilla, but nobody is" implies all generic aka vanilla, but no one is the vanilla flavor.

I mean 10 v 2 is barely balanced with no power roles.

yeah it might be mountainous
day 3 with no cop results, unlikely that cop doesnt get a single red check

i had the opinion that it was with prs

i guess 10v2 works the best here

[MafiaMenace]

unless its just doc or smth

[nutella]

Mmm nice case sloonei. I think I like G's latest reentry and upon review I found Menace's tag onto Nova's G vote to look worse than nova himself. My reservation is that I think menace has looked pretty town otherwise, so I'll have to consider him holistically. One other point against him that occurs to me is his complete and sudden 180 on me.

Linki just now seeing his response, and don't like it. As much as I have suspected sloonei previously I do not think this is "opportunistic garbage" and certainly not vote worthy on its own.
[VOTE: mafiamenace] aubergine

[MafiaMenace]

Mmm nice case sloonei. I think I like G's latest reentry and upon review I found Menace's tag onto Nova's G vote to look worse than nova himself. My reservation is that I think menace has looked pretty town otherwise, so I'll have to consider him holistically. One other point against him that occurs to me is his complete and sudden 180 on me.

Linki just now seeing his response, and don't like it. As much as I have suspected sloonei previously I do not think this is "opportunistic garbage" and certainly not vote worthy on its own.
[VOTE: mafiamenace] aubergine

my 180 on you is because spirit voted you nearly makes you locktown, since you were far from being lynched that day
i never sheeped nova
i sheeped slooneis case, ive said this before, it was pretty decent

now obviously i see them in a different light
i see it as a shit case, all points are pretty stretchy

[Sloonei]

I already ISO'd MafiaMenace earlier here, so I'll just pick up where I left off now.

Starting here:

epi is way too helpful and considerate to be scum

hes always willing to change his mind and i cant see that as scum
my ways to read may seem a bit unorthodox to you guys, but they have a good success rate

"Epi is way too helpful to be scum" is a wacky ass thing to say, and his progression on this statement felt messy. I'd also want to ask why the "changes their mind too much to be scum" argument doesn't also apply to nutella, who's spewing out reads like she just downed an entire tub of chicken wing ice cream.

no, thats not a good enough reason to not provide reason yourself

It is in my view, gauging reactions is a huge part of gameplay

the post you made tells you nothing
you wanted to see people agree or disagree with you but there is nothing there
you made a post shading wayward, which is a majority of your iso at this point

This again strikes me as inconsistent. In his weak ass exchange with sprit, he mentioned that getting people talking is a good strategy. Now he's shading nutella for exactly that.

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

Now he's just disagreeing with everything she does.

nutella and wayward is tvs
nutella and epi is probably tvs

im going for the overlap first

Invents a dichotomy to further his nutella lynch agenda.

But also I generally appreciate it when people explain their reads regardless. So tell me what your read is on nova and why, please and thanks

there is no read
it was just a joke

What is your read on the player slot formerly occupied by WaywardSon, now novaselinenever? Does the substitution affect your read in any way?

a substitution should not affect a read

i have him in my notes as slight town right now, i cant really remember the reason, but his content is genuine so ill still tr him

This is a read that tells me nothing.

ugh id rather it be nutella
but i do think there is one scum between them
and if nova has to be lynched so nutella can be then so be it

This is just a blind push for nutella now. Given that sprityo was also on her, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a deliberate effort to push her lynch yesterday. If this is the case and both sprit and MafiaMenace are scum, there may have been a civilian pushing against nutella at some point.

I guess this has turned into a brief dissection of MafiaMenace's case on nutella. My verdict is that I don't like it. I don't know for sure that I dislike it in the way that I think he's bad because of it, but I have outside reasons to feel bad about him and this isn't helping his case. Back to our regularly scheduled ISO:

My main dilemma right now is that if WS/Nova is bad I think you are his most likely teammate, so should I be trusting you on this epi counterwagon?

Then trust jay instead.

Jay shouldn't be trusted.

jay is on the sidelines a little bit
so i agree slightly

doesnt mean he outright shouldnt be trusted tho

Does this fit the definition of hedging?

Lovely bunch of conundrums facing me today. Decisions, decisions.

Let’s talk about them.

Lynching Jay or Nutella feels the most right to me today. The hang-up is that I doubt they’re both bad. That seems too easy.

i agree with that, im getting vibes that there could be a team there but i dont want to push that thought heavily

anyways your votes on epi
did you just forget to change the poll?

Tell us what these teammate vibes were, MafiaMenace. And also tell us why you were hesitant to push the idea. And why you chose to respond to this post in that way. Please and thanks.

Epi's reads are fake. His "helpfulness" is fake. He's fake.

epi wouldnt need to be helpful
its minor towncred that would go over everyones head
its lucky that im forming a read on that opinion

MafiaMenace's initial statement was "Epi is too helpful to be scum." Now "Epi doesn't need to be helpful." Later it's "No one cares that Epi is being helpful." This argument is a perfect circle that makes very little sense and seems to be weirdly and uniquely pinned onto Epi. Why were you singling Epi out as a "helpful" player, MafiaMenace?

honestly a sloonei lynch isnt the worst thing that could happen lbr

im fine with letting it rand

Gross. The softest hint of support for my lynch, though he's careful not to outright endorse it. And opting for a tie is always bad. I think I've been a helpful player too, just like Epi. I gave Wayward/nova plenty of room to dig their way out of the hole. Where's my town credit?

the town is way too split

we need a red flip to fix this or else we arent going to work together well
the conflict with everyone's reads is awful
there is borderline no overlap

what do you propose we do?

well thats why im making that post
i have no idea
this town is so broken it feels unfixable

I don't get this attitude. Chaos near the end of Day is better for town than scum. Also, at the time of this post his primary suspect (nutella) was still looking like a viable lynch candidate. Why the sudden shift into despair?

JJJ
nutella

heres mine

quote this post with yours

we need to fix this

The two most obviously civilian players in the game. Jay is now dead, indicating that the mafia team wanted him to be gone. nutella is a similarly vocal player. The mafia team would presumably want her gone.

ok im a fool
rip any trust people had lmfao

Since then he's kinda thrown up his hands as if in resignation:

fucking shit dude
anyways im pretty convinced
[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

He's sheeping the easy G-man vote today.

MM's disappearance isn't really helping me out here

ive disappeared because i have a very shit confidence level

i get very confident about a hang and when im wrong i just drop
especially because the way i talk about it

Hey now, that's no way to play. Fuck whether you're right or wrong. If we were all right about all our suspicions then this game wouldn't even exist. The very best civilians have like a 30% success rate if they're lucky. What matters is the process of solving the game, not being right the first time.

So, like, get back in here and tell us what you think. Don't bother worrying about being correct, that's just gonna weigh you down. Spew thoughts and see what happens.

excuse me what lmao

hows the first one a bad look for me, how can i be associated with him off of that post
you questioned me as well with the 'nova is a hard townread off of that' joke, so cut the shit with that hypocrisy bro
the third one was a normal conversation, what about it is wolfy?

this is all opportunistic garbage spewing from my view
call it omgus but that is the least believable shit ive seen

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Lol. This post has come into existence since I started this ISO. Hey there pal. Hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook, first of all. Second of all... I should respond to this separately. But this looks hilarious seeing as 10 minutes ago you were actively following my case on G-man. Why the quick reversal?

[novaselinenever]

Mmm nice case sloonei. I think I like G's latest reentry and upon review I found Menace's tag onto Nova's G vote to look worse than nova himself. My reservation is that I think menace has looked pretty town otherwise, so I'll have to consider him holistically. One other point against him that occurs to me is his complete and sudden 180 on me.

Linki just now seeing his response, and don't like it. As much as I have suspected sloonei previously I do not think this is "opportunistic garbage" and certainly not vote worthy on its own.
[VOTE: mafiamenace] aubergine

[Sloonei]

Giving this post singular attention for a moment:

excuse me what lmao

hows the first one a bad look for me, how can i be associated with him off of that post

I'm not sure what "the first one" refers to. I would guess you mean this exchange, but correct me if I am wrong:

Spoiler: show

And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

that's why you gotta force people to talk. or else mafia will coast by on inactive town

cite source: JJJ in Phenon: Origins

that was my goal by stirring up an argument

I associate the two of you here because, well, you're directly interacting with each other. And I make the connection that I do because this interaction looks very insignificant, to the point of being totally superfluous. It's fluff, and it's one of the only times the two of you interacted. I don't think it's an uncommon trend for Mafia partners to keep a bit of distance between themselves in the thread. This has the feel of an obligatory exchange so as to not be too obviously far apart from one another.

you questioned me as well with the 'nova is a hard townread off of that' joke, so cut the shit with that hypocrisy bro

Civilians can and should be hypocrites. Just because I do something from an honest standpoint, it doesn't mean that somebody else doing a similar thing must also be coming from an honest standpoint. And anyway, my response to you and sprit's response are hardly similar. I asked you a straightforward, direct question. Sprit made a joke about it.

the third one was a normal conversation, what about it is wolfy?

I do not know what "the third one" is. Could you please point it out for me? And if we're not going to be breaking down and analyzing "normal conversations" then what the hell are we supposed to do in this game?

this is all opportunistic garbage spewing from my view
call it omgus but that is the least believable shit ive seen

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

What is opportunistic about this? Were you a suspect prior to now? Until this moment the day has been lazily slipping towards a G-man lynch. You yourself have advocated for me as being a catalyst of that bandwagon, so we sure as hell can't argue that I'm now trying to save my teammate G-man, can we? So please tell me what's opportunistic in my sudden case against you. You were not particularly vulnerable beforehand, and the leading wagon was one at least partially of my own creation.

[MafiaMenace]

fuck man quit giving me shit to respond to LOL
this is gonna take me ages to sort

[Sloonei]

fuck man quit giving me shit to respond to LOL
this is gonna take me ages to sort

Yeah I apologize for that. Don't worry about responding to everything right away. I mostly care about the direct questions I asked. I think things will go more smoothly if we don't try to bite off everything at once.

[Sloonei]

But also I'm about to head out for the night anyway, so like, no rush I guess.

[MafiaMenace]

Spoiler: show

I already ISO'd MafiaMenace earlier here, so I'll just pick up where I left off now.

Starting here:

epi is way too helpful and considerate to be scum

hes always willing to change his mind and i cant see that as scum
my ways to read may seem a bit unorthodox to you guys, but they have a good success rate

"Epi is way too helpful to be scum" is a wacky ass thing to say, and his progression on this statement felt messy. I'd also want to ask why the "changes their mind too much to be scum" argument doesn't also apply to nutella, who's spewing out reads like she just downed an entire tub of chicken wing ice cream.

not what i meant by willing to change his mind
youre thinking in the sense of literally just changing your reads suddenly
im thinking that hes willing to be convinced otherwise, he said himself a vote of his was not permanent and hes willing to change

no, thats not a good enough reason to not provide reason yourself

It is in my view, gauging reactions is a huge part of gameplay

the post you made tells you nothing
you wanted to see people agree or disagree with you but there is nothing there
you made a post shading wayward, which is a majority of your iso at this point

This again strikes me as inconsistent. In his weak ass exchange with sprit, he mentioned that getting people talking is a good strategy. Now he's shading nutella for exactly that.

nutella made a nothing post
that doesnt get people talking unless her goal was to get someone to view her in a bad light

meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

using that is awful
as mafia someone might mimic their play as town
they might switch up their town play one day


using meta at all for reads isnt good

Now he's just disagreeing with everything she does.

terrible point

no matter who said that id still counter them saying that meta reads are bad, using them as the base for your reads will get you nowhere

idc that she said it

nutella and wayward is tvs
nutella and epi is probably tvs

im going for the overlap first

Invents a dichotomy to further his nutella lynch agenda.

yes
thats exactly what i did
so?

But also I generally appreciate it when people explain their reads regardless. So tell me what your read is on nova and why, please and thanks

there is no read
it was just a joke

What is your read on the player slot formerly occupied by WaywardSon, now novaselinenever? Does the substitution affect your read in any way?

a substitution should not affect a read

i have him in my notes as slight town right now, i cant really remember the reason, but his content is genuine so ill still tr him

This is a read that tells me nothing.

it was a weak read, it wasnt meant to tell you much past that, its not like he was locktown to me

ugh id rather it be nutella
but i do think there is one scum between them
and if nova has to be lynched so nutella can be then so be it

This is just a blind push for nutella now. Given that sprityo was also on her, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a deliberate effort to push her lynch yesterday. If this is the case and both sprit and MafiaMenace are scum, there may have been a civilian pushing against nutella at some point.

I guess this has turned into a brief dissection of MafiaMenace's case on nutella. My verdict is that I don't like it. I don't know for sure that I dislike it in the way that I think he's bad because of it, but I have outside reasons to feel bad about him and this isn't helping his case. Back to our regularly scheduled ISO:

My main dilemma right now is that if WS/Nova is bad I think you are his most likely teammate, so should I be trusting you on this epi counterwagon?

Then trust jay instead.

Jay shouldn't be trusted.

jay is on the sidelines a little bit
so i agree slightly

doesnt mean he outright shouldnt be trusted tho

Does this fit the definition of hedging?

idk what that is so ignoring this for now
doesnt sound like smth that would be that wolfy though given the context

Lovely bunch of conundrums facing me today. Decisions, decisions.

Let’s talk about them.

Lynching Jay or Nutella feels the most right to me today. The hang-up is that I doubt they’re both bad. That seems too easy.

i agree with that, im getting vibes that there could be a team there but i dont want to push that thought heavily

anyways your votes on epi
did you just forget to change the poll?

Tell us what these teammate vibes were, MafiaMenace. And also tell us why you were hesitant to push the idea. And why you chose to respond to this post in that way. Please and thanks.

its a vibe
what else is there to add on to that

and i just say whats on my mind anyways, so thats why i responded in that fashion

Epi's reads are fake. His "helpfulness" is fake. He's fake.

epi wouldnt need to be helpful
its minor towncred that would go over everyones head
its lucky that im forming a read on that opinion

MafiaMenace's initial statement was "Epi is too helpful to be scum." Now "Epi doesn't need to be helpful." Later it's "No one cares that Epi is being helpful." This argument is a perfect circle that makes very little sense and seems to be weirdly and uniquely pinned onto Epi. Why were you singling Epi out as a "helpful" player, MafiaMenace?

Epi is too helpful to be scum, because he doesn't have to be, since no one was calling it out
i dont think hed take a gamble that someone would point out shit like that

epi stands out as the most helpful here, unvoting the wayward slot to let nova breath
where he just couldve pressured

honestly a sloonei lynch isnt the worst thing that could happen lbr

im fine with letting it rand

Gross. The softest hint of support for my lynch, though he's careful not to outright endorse it. And opting for a tie is always bad. I think I've been a helpful player too, just like Epi. I gave Wayward/nova plenty of room to dig their way out of the hole. Where's my town credit?

i never said i supported it
i said it wasnt the worst of the possible mls
i would have rather had you hanged than epi, shit like that

its the lesser of two evils, if evil standed for "bad lynch"

of course my viewpoint has changed though

the town is way too split

we need a red flip to fix this or else we arent going to work together well
the conflict with everyone's reads is awful
there is borderline no overlap

what do you propose we do?

well thats why im making that post
i have no idea
this town is so broken it feels unfixable

I don't get this attitude. Chaos near the end of Day is better for town than scum. Also, at the time of this post his primary suspect (nutella) was still looking like a viable lynch candidate. Why the sudden shift into despair?

nutella wasnt being lynched unless it was lucky enough for it to be randed, if nutella even had enough votes to tie at that point
the vote spread was awful and i felt that something should be done about it

JJJ
nutella

heres mine

quote this post with yours

we need to fix this

The two most obviously civilian players in the game. Jay is now dead, indicating that the mafia team wanted him to be gone. nutella is a similarly vocal player. The mafia team would presumably want her gone.

having a wrong read = scum
kk chief

ok im a fool
rip any trust people had lmfao

Since then he's kinda thrown up his hands as if in resignation:

fucking shit dude
anyways im pretty convinced
[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

He's sheeping the easy G-man vote today.

i was yes, because the case was pretty convincing and i wanted to latch on to anything i could, i felt shitty after pushing that aggressively on nutella

MM's disappearance isn't really helping me out here

ive disappeared because i have a very shit confidence level

i get very confident about a hang and when im wrong i just drop
especially because the way i talk about it

Hey now, that's no way to play. Fuck whether you're right or wrong. If we were all right about all our suspicions then this game wouldn't even exist. The very best civilians have like a 30% success rate if they're lucky. What matters is the process of solving the game, not being right the first time.

So, like, get back in here and tell us what you think. Don't bother worrying about being correct, that's just gonna weigh you down. Spew thoughts and see what happens.

youre too kind to me lol
ill see if i can try and do something later

excuse me what lmao

hows the first one a bad look for me, how can i be associated with him off of that post
you questioned me as well with the 'nova is a hard townread off of that' joke, so cut the shit with that hypocrisy bro
the third one was a normal conversation, what about it is wolfy?

this is all opportunistic garbage spewing from my view
call it omgus but that is the least believable shit ive seen

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Lol. This post has come into existence since I started this ISO. Hey there pal. Hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook, first of all. Second of all... I should respond to this separately. But this looks hilarious seeing as 10 minutes ago you were actively following my case on G-man. Why the quick reversal?

im just gonna respond to the larger one instead of this
but i felt i should after seeing that post

[MafiaMenace]

Giving this post singular attention for a moment:

excuse me what lmao

hows the first one a bad look for me, how can i be associated with him off of that post

I'm not sure what "the first one" refers to. I would guess you mean this exchange, but correct me if I am wrong:

Spoiler: show

And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

that's why you gotta force people to talk. or else mafia will coast by on inactive town

cite source: JJJ in Phenon: Origins

that was my goal by stirring up an argument

I associate the two of you here because, well, you're directly interacting with each other. And I make the connection that I do because this interaction looks very insignificant, to the point of being totally superfluous. It's fluff, and it's one of the only times the two of you interacted. I don't think it's an uncommon trend for Mafia partners to keep a bit of distance between themselves in the thread. This has the feel of an obligatory exchange so as to not be too obviously far apart from one another.

the first one was the quote without my post
"that was my goal by stirring up an argument"

its just a direct interaction, it was a normal conversation and i dont see the reason how its wolfy
theres many insignificant interactions throughout this game, you cant just single that one specifically lmao

you questioned me as well with the 'nova is a hard townread off of that' joke, so cut the shit with that hypocrisy bro

Civilians can and should be hypocrites. Just because I do something from an honest standpoint, it doesn't mean that somebody else doing a similar thing must also be coming from an honest standpoint. And anyway, my response to you and sprit's response are hardly similar. I asked you a straightforward, direct question. Sprit made a joke about it.

spirit was 100% unironic in that post
it was 2 different posts which got the same point across

the third one was a normal conversation, what about it is wolfy?

I do not know what "the third one" is. Could you please point it out for me? And if we're not going to be breaking down and analyzing "normal conversations" then what the hell are we supposed to do in this game?

see the "first one" response

this is all opportunistic garbage spewing from my view
call it omgus but that is the least believable shit ive seen

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

What is opportunistic about this? Were you a suspect prior to now? Until this moment the day has been lazily slipping towards a G-man lynch. You yourself have advocated for me as being a catalyst of that bandwagon, so we sure as hell can't argue that I'm now trying to save my teammate G-man, can we? So please tell me what's opportunistic in my sudden case against you. You were not particularly vulnerable beforehand, and the leading wagon was one at least partially of my own creation.

gmans wagon was slowing down
imho mine would blow up fairly fast considering

he can be town for now until im certain of your alignment

[reywaS]

@reywaS I would love to see opinions from you that aren't in the form of you reacting to other people's posts. Who would you be okay with lynching today, and who do you think should not be lynched?

Spoiler: show

Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, unless you will
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, then play you will, I pray you will

Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, you will you will
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, if you will, I pray you will

Does this mean you won't give input until I answer the question I just asked you?

[reywaS]

What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

Thoughts?

this game is what, 13 players?
id say 3 is the balance here ???????????????

9 v 3 isn't balanced in my book. The first post "you're all vanilla, but nobody is" implies all generic aka vanilla, but no one is the vanilla flavor. ????????????

I mean 10 v 2 is barely balanced with no power roles. ??????????????????????????

yeah it might be mountainous
day 3 with no cop results, unlikely that cop doesnt get a single red check

i had the opinion that it was with prs

i guess 10v2 works the best here ???????????????????

Your homies looking like why God

Do you even remember what the issue is?
You just trying to find where the tissue is
You can still be who you wish you is
It ain't happen yet
And that's what intuition is