Likewise. I was a baby last night early in this phase.
You'll read me however the hell you do and that's the game. Go crazy. I need to handle that like an adult.
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Likewise. I was a baby last night early in this phase.
so you could see JJJ's first read of the game being a townread on his scumbuddy?
LC do you have any reads beyond Epi being town? (which i gather form this)Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:11 amOk.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:08 amThis, folks, is horseshit.
They're "possible" because no mafia has been caught yet. Any combo is possible.
This is JJJ trying to look useful. This is what he does. It's busy work.
Please, please, please stop listening to his horseshit and lynch him Day 2 after I'm gone.
what do you mean by this?Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:05 amnot used to town marmot approaching the game in such a straightforward and head on textbook manner. where's your head at marmot? are you a wolf?Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:46 am chard and Scirrus came to reasonable conclusions with their votes for me. I townread them.
Epignosis is trying to solve JJJ. I'll give him a townread for that. I want this to happen.
JJJ is posting in a manner he previously stated was uncomfortable. Not sure if that was a joke or a real feeling. He can surely explain. His vote for me is leaves a bit to be desired. Mild annoyance, he followed chardonnay's vote despite chard being listed in his "nothing" section.
Nanook shaded Jay for talking about game mechanics. No other reads. Big meh.
Nothing noteworthy from other players in my eyes as of yet (except for Grogu's TownWatch LLC, which I'm in the midst of applying for).
I am not saying JJJ and LC are the scum duo. I am saying I could go for chopping either.
why would you claim this nowAlison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:16 amone shot protect? great. I'm the cop. protect me for a free win.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:09 pm Kids are getting snacks.
Role claiming legal.
So fuck it. You all did this to yourselves.
I am the civilian jack of all trades.
One shot block.
One shot protect.
One shot vote strip.
Good job, good luck.
At least mafia will kill me and I can stop punishing myself.
At least use this time to actually lynch a mafia a member and not a civilian who doesn't post until late evening anymore (and JJJ knows this shit, as do others).
why do i feel like you came in to the game with your mind made up on how you're going to read me
Take all the time you need. <3 I'm sorry you have to go through this. It's hard.fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:34 am I lost a close friend today and my head isn’t in a place for any mafia. I’ll try and come around if I feel up for it later but I likely won’t be posting until tomorrow.
Thanks for this. I havent digested this much yet but I see you have Enrique as an orange square. Is this scum equity entirely just based on Marmot being scum? Bc I thought that independently Enrique has been pretty towny in this thoughts/progressions.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:05 pm
Green - doubt they're mafia teammates
Yellow - compatible as mafia teammates
Orange - seem especially compatible as mafia teammates
Okee dokee here's the compiled chart. Note: I skipped Epignosis, as that may work itself out and I don't have all day. I defaulted everyone's interactions with reywaS to yellow. There's just nothing to say about that slot.
I found this a lot more fruitful for my view of the game than I expected it to be. This thread may be bare bones, but there's plenty of meaningful stuff around here to talk about:
~ As I mentioned in my previous post, I think Marmot is a mafioso. That may be my strongest read in the game, stronger than any of my town reads save perhaps Epignosis. He's compatible with nearly everyone, has the only orange block, and just looks terrible to me at face value. Among the players who are broadly compatible with the field (fingersplints, Grogu, Long Con, reywaS), he is the only one that has actually made numerous posts and been involved (exception of splints, whose reads simply trend toward low confidence). So it's not default in Marmot's case. He just fits.
~ I don't figure Scirrus is a mafioso. That was already my perspective, and this strengthens it. He fits only with the exact list of defaults I just listed, and nearly everyone fits with them. He does not fit with Marmot in my view. I'd love to hear @Alison's perspective of this in particular, given that you've voiced suspicion of Scirrus since arriving.
~ Alisonnay and Poison are in a similarly decent position, albeit less confidently so. Alison is a bad fit with Marmot, so that's her best look. Poison's fits are largely default but they include Marmot. At face value I think Poison looks town. Alison is too early judge at face value for me -- no immediate major gripes. That Scirrus read is what interests me.
~ Enrique has the only orange I was comfortable with, alongside Marmot. It could be. I will appreciate any feedback I can get on that interaction. Marmot is compatible all over the place, so Enrique doesn't have to be a teammate. Let's talk about it.
~ I didn't call Grogu/Marmot orange, but I was tempted to. Their connection is a rather blatant one.
~ If you suspect me for whatever reason, fine, get your rocks off. Please don't ignore my work though, because it is genuine and I want to talk about it. Thank you.
Night ends in 3 hours, and I have 10 posts left to talk about stuff. Come one come all.
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All that orange square means is that if either Marmot or Enrique is mafia, the other seems like a good fit to be a partner. It doesn't imply that either one is mafia. I agree with you about Enrique at face value at least.
VINCE GAROFALO, a civvie. You are newly retired and bored out of your mind. As such, you have taken up people-watching. Each night, you can watch any player of your choice, thereby learning the names of any players targeting them that night.
He’s dead. :/
I can't be messed with.
I’m also leaning towards believing that claim as well, on the basis of Marmot would make a really odd mafia kill choice, as he has some heat on him in the thread. Why use a night kill on someone who could be taken out by lynch?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:59 pm With 10 players alive, a 3-player mafia team would present us with only one more opportunity for a mistake (7 vs. 3 becomes 5 vs. 3 if a night kill occurs, where we might not chop anyone). Two mafia with or without independents would likely be less brutal. I suggest we play as though it's the worst-case scenario.
One miss left + three mafia = correct POE pool of four needed to secure the game. In the current environment, that would mean working to clear 5 names that aren't you.
I realize that's not an easy task. One has to try. Right now I am comfortable with three:
Epignosis - night phase seemed behavior quite civilian
Scirrus - believe the vigilante claim, seemed civilian anyway, not great mafia team fits
Poison - seems civilian in general, decently separable from possible mafia teammates
The remaining names would be [Alison, Enrique, fingersplints, Grogu, Long Con, reywaS]. I will do my best today to find two names in there that can be comfortably removed.
My view of Epignosis relies some on what we hear of the non-kill if anything, presuming Scirrus's honesty. For now he's a civilian.
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"Paranoid" isn't a great word for it, but yes I did think Nanook had positioned himself to shit on my head as soon as you died with a civilian flip. Recall that he'd done that right on the heels of Enrique voicing suspicion of me. Anything that makes me look shitty is beneficial to mafia, even if it doesn't necessarily serve as The One Thing that gets me murdered. It would have contributed further to an environment where people are less willing to listen to me and more inclined to question everything I say. When a civilian plays as hard as I do, that's an atmosphere any mafia team will benefit from a lot. Who gives a shit if JJJ has the game solved if he's lost his ability to influence the game as he would like to.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:46 pm What is Nanook's motive in the "difference check" bullshit if he's mafia?
Nobody but you was buying into it at all. Nobody else cared. You are paranoid that if I get lynched people are going to grab their pitchforks and storm your tower?
Get real. That's irrational.
Just want to acknowledge your contribution. My first attempt to read Long Con was favorable for him. Since that point he's done nothing, so I'd agree he's a candidate.fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:58 pm I reread all of LC’s posts and it’s mostly jokey or following JJJ. He has not put forth any real thoughts of his own.
I’m still waiting to hear the rest of Epi’s reads/use, but based on what I have seen, I really think LC would be a good choice for today.
vote LC
thanks for the condolences. It’s been a very sad day. Just trying to keep distracted for now.
I'm not sure what you're referring to.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:06 amJust want to acknowledge your contribution. My first attempt to read Long Con was favorable for him. Since that point he's done nothing, so I'd agree he's a candidate.fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:58 pm I reread all of LC’s posts and it’s mostly jokey or following JJJ. He has not put forth any real thoughts of his own.
I’m still waiting to hear the rest of Epi’s reads/use, but based on what I have seen, I really think LC would be a good choice for today.
vote LC
thanks for the condolences. It’s been a very sad day. Just trying to keep distracted for now.
Is there a reason you choose him instead of a similar slot such as Grogu?
I'm not sure what you're referring to.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:59 pm With 10 players alive, a 3-player mafia team would present us with only one more opportunity for a mistake (7 vs. 3 becomes 5 vs. 3 if a night kill occurs, where we might not chop anyone). Two mafia with or without independents would likely be less brutal. I suggest we play as though it's the worst-case scenario.
One miss left + three mafia = correct POE pool of four needed to secure the game. In the current environment, that would mean working to clear 5 names that aren't you.
I realize that's not an easy task. One has to try. Right now I am comfortable with three:
Epignosis - night phase seemed behavior quite civilian
Scirrus - believe the vigilante claim, seemed civilian anyway, not great mafia team fits
Poison - seems civilian in general, decently separable from possible mafia teammates
The remaining names would be [Alison, Enrique, fingersplints, Grogu, Long Con, reywaS]. I will do my best today to find two names in there that can be comfortably removed.
My view of Epignosis relies some on what we hear of the non-kill if anything, presuming Scirrus's honesty. For now he's a civilian.
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fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:58 pm I reread all of LC’s posts and it’s mostly jokey or following JJJ. He has not put forth any real thoughts of his own.
I’m still waiting to hear the rest of Epi’s reads/use, but based on what I have seen, I really think LC would be a good choice for today.
vote LC
thanks for the condolences. It’s been a very sad day. Just trying to keep distracted for now.
I have nothing to hide.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:12 am Oh. I have that on page 7. I'm not sure you can answer that, Epignosis (maybe you can). We've reason to think the mafia kill failed given that Scirrus claimed to vigilante-kill Marmot, and you were at least one reasonable target for a mafia kill. If you were protected then that makes reading you essentially irrelevant, at least from the standpoint of mafia-vs-civilian.
We may or may not hear more. I am not going to rush or pressure any power roles with an explanation. A roleblock might serve as a "red check" though, so don't be too frugal, whoever, if that's you.
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:16 amone shot protect? great. I'm the cop. protect me for a free win.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:09 pm Kids are getting snacks.
Role claiming legal.
So fuck it. You all did this to yourselves.
I am the civilian jack of all trades.
One shot block.
One shot protect.
One shot vote strip.
Good job, good luck.
At least mafia will kill me and I can stop punishing myself.
At least use this time to actually lynch a mafia a member and not a civilian who doesn't post until late evening anymore (and JJJ knows this shit, as do others).
What does “red check” mean?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:12 am Oh. I have that on page 7. I'm not sure you can answer that, Epignosis (maybe you can). We've reason to think the mafia kill failed given that Scirrus claimed to vigilante-kill Marmot, and you were at least one reasonable target for a mafia kill. If you were protected then that makes reading you essentially irrelevant, at least from the standpoint of mafia-vs-civilian.
We may or may not hear more. I am not going to rush or pressure any power roles with an explanation. A roleblock might serve as a "red check" though, so don't be too frugal, whoever, if that's you.
Save your post JJJ.fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:15 amWhat does “red check” mean?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:12 am Oh. I have that on page 7. I'm not sure you can answer that, Epignosis (maybe you can). We've reason to think the mafia kill failed given that Scirrus claimed to vigilante-kill Marmot, and you were at least one reasonable target for a mafia kill. If you were protected then that makes reading you essentially irrelevant, at least from the standpoint of mafia-vs-civilian.
We may or may not hear more. I am not going to rush or pressure any power roles with an explanation. A roleblock might serve as a "red check" though, so don't be too frugal, whoever, if that's you.
So either LC's kill failed or a kill on Alison failed.fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:19 am Ok, well I think we have reached the stage of “role claim/info in the thread” that I am unsure/uncomfortable with because I am not used to this. But I also have nothing to hide
So, I blocked LC