Mafia Misplay Mafia

[santygrass]

Welp, it doesmt seem like Achro left a nicely done list as a legacy. Thats tragic
Domt know if I have the time to do a summary of Achro reads wowee

[santygrass]

Dw guys, I dont see my pings either way.

[Sabiplz]

Except sabi. Still town

@santygrass did you miss this?

Also @hollowkatt let me read over that post

[Alison]

From Marmot: lucy is now a MoD and will handle all penis-related inquiries.

[Sabiplz]

From Marmot: lucy is now a MoD and will handle all penis-related inquiries.

Alison how much did it hurt you to send that

[Sabiplz]

[santygrass]

Except sabi. Still town

@santygrass did you miss this?

Also @hollowkatt let me read over that post

?

Am I suspecting you?

[santygrass]

Lucy best MoD btw

[santygrass]

Dead
Queen Elizabeth II
EnderWiggin - Executed D1
Outed Wolf - Killed N1

I just noticed this. Bruh

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Jackofhearts2005 Sorry if you already replied or did this. But do you have an actual readlist rn?

Good reasons to think town-things
Cat-thing Sabi
Santy

Not so good-good reasons to think town-things
Old-thing HK
Esooa

Queek doesn’t want to deal with
Nanook
Lily

Queek needs to read
Ice-thing
Glow-thing <----seems unpaired w/beard-thing to Queek
Wilgy <----seems unpaired w/beard-thing to Queek. ish
Porscha

Queek go play Persona now-now. Refresh thread if more talk-speaking to do.

Queek update readlist a little bit with orange.

Also, do y'all think that Achro would be Nked if he were townreading both mafia members that are left?

No-no.

[Porscha]

This game is annoying because everytime some one is sussed yall resort to self voting and ATEing.

Yes Im aware of the hypocrisy.

But like come on if you are town this is ruining thread health.

Now pull yourself up by your boot straps and solve this game

need to screenshot this and post it every game I play with sabi

[Porscha]

@Sabiplz

What thinks you of Nanook?

He's null. His tunnel on HK is towny but he hasn't town told.

Why is it towny?

How have I not town told

Most of your content is just tunneling hk.

You haven't really tried to solve other slots with much effort.

I think I've been sufficiently townie

sufficiently is a bit strong imo

[Porscha]

Also, do y'all think that Achro would be Nked if he were townreading both mafia members that are left?

almost certainly. I think the only world where achro doesnt die last night is if achro was wolf

the reality is that achro had very strong thread pull and is easily capable of flipping his views and catching on if wolves make even tiny errors. there is a possibility he could have been left alive for another day if tr'ing both wolves, but if wolves chose that route, then who would they have killed off? like honestly, who would have been a better kill? only maybe santy or esooa imo... no reason for wolves to take the kill on someone like me or wilgy who are generally TR'd but low thread pull and presence.

tl;dr

ya I think achro would still be best kill for wolves even if he tr'd them at end of day yesterday. tr's of wolves would have likely been changed by achro with w!mac flipped confirmation

[Porscha]

From Marmot: lucy is now a MoD and will handle all penis-related inquiries.

Alison how much did it hurt you to send that

i'm laughing. I had the same thought

[Porscha]

Except sabi. Still town

@santygrass did you miss this?

Also @hollowkatt let me read over that post

?

Am I suspecting you?

if you do not directly address sabi as Your Highness Most Town Worthy in any and all posts, they will make sure you do not forget

[Lilypetal]

porscha are u a wolf

[Porscha]

Also, do y'all think that Achro would be Nked if he were townreading both mafia members that are left?

almost certainly. I think the only world where achro doesnt die last night is if achro was wolf

the reality is that achro had very strong thread pull and is easily capable of flipping his views and catching on if wolves make even tiny errors. there is a possibility he could have been left alive for another day if tr'ing both wolves, but if wolves chose that route, then who would they have killed off? like honestly, who would have been a better kill? only maybe santy or esooa imo... no reason for wolves to take the kill on someone like me or wilgy who are generally TR'd but low thread pull and presence.

tl;dr

ya I think achro would still be best kill for wolves even if he tr'd them at end of day yesterday. tr's of wolves would have likely been changed by achro with w!mac flipped confirmation

additionally, if we want to look at a world where wolves choose to NK achro over t!santy or t!esooa (frankly don't see worlds where those aren't the top 3 NK options if they are all town), then... we have to consider the reads santy and esooa were working with. wolves could be keeping santy alive knowing he will take actual bullets for w!snow to keep her in game longer, or wolves could keep esooa alive to try and get a ML on t!snow since this appeared to be forthcoming from eod. without a snow flip, it's left open to interpretation. I also imagine that since I wasn't really around for last eod, i'm likely missing far more context on reads and what not. feel free to add your thoughts to this.

[Porscha]

porscha are u a wolf

I'd be proud of myself if I was

[Porscha]

btw if you guys are confused about the toxic gamestate, i'm almost certain it's just a jack wolf world and we're all sitting here twiddling our thumbs getting pissy with one another because the reality is that today really just needed a short day to hammer obvious jack wolf. all mafia players devolve into lunatic degeneracy when they are left to their own devices for too long (see: asmr and dizzy win)

[Porscha]

like yeah I guess we can sit here theorizing that snow and hk and neon and nook are wolves. probs 1 in there. focus should be on voting off obvious wolf (jack) and sitting here a little more quietly until the flip and next day

[Porscha]

truthfully if I sit here long enough I tinfoil virtually everyone. I could probs even trick myself into believing the terribad mac shielding on jack was a trap to set us all up but it's better if I simply s t o p

[hollowkatt]

btw if you guys are confused about the toxic gamestate, i'm almost certain it's just a jack wolf world and we're all sitting here twiddling our thumbs getting pissy with one another because the reality is that today really just needed a short day to hammer obvious jack wolf. all mafia players devolve into lunatic degeneracy when they are left to their own devices for too long (see: asmr and dizzy win)

or whichever GOC it was when Alison was the last non-town player standing and all we had to do was chop her.

tbh I'll vote for jack today

[Porscha]

Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.

jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.

jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?

This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show

When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

[Jackofhearts2005]

btw if you guys are confused about the toxic gamestate, i'm almost certain it's just a jack wolf world and we're all sitting here twiddling our thumbs getting pissy with one another because the reality is that today really just needed a short day to hammer obvious jack wolf. all mafia players devolve into lunatic degeneracy when they are left to their own devices for too long (see: asmr and dizzy win)

Why is Queek "obvious wolf-thing?"

Queek has not randed wolf in almost a year. Queek tell you what he told SF3 players. Queek busses when wolf. Does not limp defend and then not even vote to save teammates.

[Jackofhearts2005]

btw if you guys are confused about the toxic gamestate, i'm almost certain it's just a jack wolf world and we're all sitting here twiddling our thumbs getting pissy with one another because the reality is that today really just needed a short day to hammer obvious jack wolf. all mafia players devolve into lunatic degeneracy when they are left to their own devices for too long (see: asmr and dizzy win)

or whichever GOC it was when Alison was the last non-town player standing and all we had to do was chop her.

tbh I'll vote for jack today

What changed, old-thing?

[Jackofhearts2005]

My legacy is no scum team is going to grant me the mercy of death so I will see you all tomorrow.

Thank you, fish-thing. Very helpful.

Stupid idiot-fool. Thing deserved to die-die.

[hollowkatt]

btw if you guys are confused about the toxic gamestate, i'm almost certain it's just a jack wolf world and we're all sitting here twiddling our thumbs getting pissy with one another because the reality is that today really just needed a short day to hammer obvious jack wolf. all mafia players devolve into lunatic degeneracy when they are left to their own devices for too long (see: asmr and dizzy win)

or whichever GOC it was when Alison was the last non-town player standing and all we had to do was chop her.

tbh I'll vote for jack today

What changed, old-thing?

this:

This game is annoying because everytime some one is sussed yall resort to self voting and ATEing.

Yes Im aware of the hypocrisy.

But like come on if you are town this is ruining thread health.

Now pull yourself up by your boot straps and solve this game

why? I've fucking tried to and I get shit on and told "you can't be town you didn't hyper post" or "you can't be town you got suckered by mac" or "you can't be town your arguments are dumb" and frankly I can't be bothered to care any more.

this thread was ruined days ago, nothing is going to fix it and nobody cares

I care. Ignore Nook for the rest of the day. Let's just talk.

sure, what would you like to talk about?

Let's talk about hypotheticals:

Jack w then who

Jack V then who

Rising w then who

Rising V then who

Nook w then who

Nook V then who

Lily w then who

Lily V then who

Esooa w then who

Esooa V then who

Neon w then who

Neon V then who

Santy w then who

Santy V then who

Me w then who

Me V then who

Wilgz w then who

Wgz V then tho

(I think that's everyone)

I'll answer these to the best of my abilities but frankly I haven't paid nearly enough attention to anything to give you real actionable information.

First the easy ones, these people are always town for me:
sabi
esooa

I don't think anyone approaches this game the way either of you have, have had the conversations you've had, and the pushes that you've both made if either of you are a wolf. Some of it is Mac spew/engagement, some of it is Achro engagement, and some of it is just trying your damnedest to solve the game. If either of you are a wolf then amazingly done and I bow to your greatness. But you're not, you're both town.

Wigly can never be paired with Macdougall, it's just not possible. He was suspicious of Mac early on D1, continued that into D2. There's no reason for WIgly to bus Mac of all team mates that early. Maybe a third mate sure, but you've got to know that Mac is going to draw a lot of attention anyways, so credit is minimal if you are on him when he goes over, and if you are aiding in drawing that attention, as I believe wigly was, you're doing your team a disservice. I know it's misplay mafia but still, that's a really really bad one.
I also find Wiglys consistent tunneling on Neon semi-endearing. Not because it's cute and fluffy but because Wigly returns there in times of stress in the thread, continues to remind us that Wigly wolf reads Neon, and overall seems like if Wigly were wolfing here he'd be doing more than just reminders of the read, he'd be laying out reasoning why the wolf exists.

I also like his engagement with Achro during the Mac push


Next tier of ease:
Santy I think has really turned it around over the last couple of IRL days. I disliked their posting early in the game and middle of D2 but the rest of D2 and into today they're showing the type of solving action that I saw displayed in my qualifier this year. Basically when santy got off the shitpost train and hopped onto the build wall cases train is when it shifted for me. Santy is trying to engage multiple people on multiple fronts, none of which are advancing what I would call a wolf agenda. There's too many irons in the fire for Santy to keep track of if they were trying to wolf the game.

Next tier:
nanook I've said before I think nanook believes in his HK is a wolf push. It's gone on too long for it to be taking seriously by literally anyone who isn't him. He doubled down when I explained to him why it's not a strict sort by postcount to find wolf HK, I also explained how I'm never keeping up with the pace of this game in a way that doesn't trigger a "relative post count tell" regardless of my alignment. He didn't care, doubled down. I can't understand how nanook as a wolf does that because if he catches the car and gets me chopped and I flip town his only response can be "I thought I was right" and after being shown how he's not right and I can't (read also as won't) keep up with 300+ posts from 3 people on D1 his argument falls apart and then he's got to play defense there.
I also don't think he pairs with Mac very well. This is probably the weakest part of the read because nanook is known for doing his own thing regardless of what his team mates have going on but I believe in it.

I know I'm not answering the way you want me to, I can't really think of how to build worlds like that, it's not a way my brain works very well. Instead what I can do is give the reasons why I believe players alignments are the way they are, and then go from there to form a POE.

Which brings me to the POE section.

In very little order:
Lily
Risiinq
Jack
Neon

They're here because I have less reason to town read them than I do the above list. If I have some time later I'll pull reasons why I think they can be a wolf paired with mac but for now I don't have the capacity to do so, sorry.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hard to argue with that-that.

Even if old-thing is a wolf, that POE plus Nook-thing should have other wolf. And if HK not wolf-thing, that POE plus Nook-thing contains both wolves.

[Porscha]

these are posts from jack, without mac posts that are important as well. just from jack's iso. notably, since the iso is short, 90% of his interactions are only with mac, sabi, and santy. useless back and forths with sabi, constantly on santy wolf read until today to which he puts santy in his town reads. shiny-thing neon was mentioned once in tandem with beard-thing. after the read through, I'm thinking my jack wolf read relies fairly heavily on how mac handled him and not always how jack handled mac. but having jack's focus on 3 players all game has made it hard to determine his world view and makes it easy for the reader to fall into a trap of bias reading jack since he has really only interacted with 3 people most of the game. i'm treading a little more lightly on my read of jack right now without going through mac's handling of jack (see: mac hounding achro for "wanting to kill a 0 poster" when jack had not yet posted)

Spoiler: show

@Jackofhearts2005 where's your head at right now?

@MacDougall

Queek has several heads on his back banner and you cannot have them, they belong to Queek!

Queek was not here for end of day. Queek was doing many important task-things.

Old-thing wagon looks full of good skaven like Queek and others who are not as smart-wise as Queek.

If old-thing is a wolf-thing who has given up, why did other wolf-things not buss him? Tell me if this is good thought or if Queek needs to execute scouts who reported it.

either way i think because of the uncertainty on santy's slot he shouldn't be voted today and we should be examining HK and Mac like I said earlier.

Uncertainty? More uncertainty than beard-thing and old-thing? Why-why?

uncertainty as in it could go either way i'm like 50/50 on santy being town or wolf rn. whereas it seems very very likely we have a wolf in mac/hk and finding that wolf and flipping them would be imperative for this game

50/50 good odds. Same odds as "a wolf" in beard-thing and old-thing.

Old-thing Hollowkatt maybe town-village.

Santy-thing smells like a wolf-thing.

Queek has not looked at beard-thing Macdougall. Queek does not want to eat beard-thing but Queek will not say that beard-thing is town.

Cat-thing Sabiplz probably town.

Fish-thing Acromatic good friend-pawn, yes-yes.

Esooa is strong skaven, like Queek. Good tail. Good whiskers.

Lily is cunning-tricky, yes-yes. Talks like ally, like wants to help. Do not like what Lily suggests we do. Bad plan. Will kill many skaven. Queek thinks Lily could be traitor! Wolf-thing in disguise. Or maybe just wrong. Or maybe just wolf-thing.

Old-thing Hollowkatt maybe town-village.

Santy-thing smells like a wolf-thing.

Queek has not looked at beard-thing Macdougall. Queek does not want to eat beard-thing but Queek will not say that beard-thing is town.

Cat-thing Sabiplz probably town.

Fish-thing Acromatic good friend-pawn, yes-yes.

Esooa is strong skaven, like Queek. Good tail. Good whiskers.

Lily is cunning-tricky, yes-yes. Talks like ally, like wants to help. Do not like what Lily suggests we do. Bad plan. Will kill many skaven. Queek thinks Lily could be traitor! Wolf-thing in disguise. Or maybe just wrong. Or maybe just wolf-thing.

killing mac is a bad plan?

Ignoring Santy is a bad plan. Queek does not see the merit in focusing on beard-thing and old-thing and ignoring Santy. Make Queek understand now-now!

Old-thing Hollowkatt maybe town-village.

Santy-thing smells like a wolf-thing.

Queek has not looked at beard-thing Macdougall. Queek does not want to eat beard-thing but Queek will not say that beard-thing is town.

Cat-thing Sabiplz probably town.

Fish-thing Acromatic good friend-pawn, yes-yes.

Esooa is strong skaven, like Queek. Good tail. Good whiskers.

Lily is cunning-tricky, yes-yes. Talks like ally, like wants to help. Do not like what Lily suggests we do. Bad plan. Will kill many skaven. Queek thinks Lily could be traitor! Wolf-thing in disguise. Or maybe just wrong. Or maybe just wolf-thing.

killing mac is a bad plan?

Ignoring Santy is a bad plan. Queek does not see the merit in focusing on beard-thing and old-thing and ignoring Santy. Make Queek understand now-now!

i guess i see it as mac/hk are unpartnered most likely

one is a wolf

mac thinks hk is a wolf

so this day cycle it's useful if we can finally find town mac and vote hk out or if town mac is still mia we just vote him out

santy is fine to wagon lol but i'm gonna be sticking on mac

Why-why?

jack if you were here 10 minutes ago you might have saved me a meltdown

Queek was watching a movie about dead-things on a train.

@Sabiplz what do you think of my last posts?

I can see a mac/jack world

You really need to work on your game. No offence.

I have like zero wim with you and Achro bashing me all game. Congrats I fucking suck at mafia.

There, there, cat-thing. Clan Mors has special plan. Beat wolf-things yes-yes! In clan Mors, we works together, even with idiot-fools.

Old-thing and beard-thing both strongly townread each other and Queek, STRONGEST AND BEST OF ALL SKAVEN! YES-YES!

Things do not do this if both are wolf-things. Things probably not do this unless both are town-things.

Anyway we got a wolf.

Esooa flashwagon was wolves saving Mac.

I started it, who joined me?
Mac
Neon
I can't remember if there was anyone else.

Queek briefly did but Queek must have been framed yes-yes. It was not Queek's fault. Queek so smart, he realized the wolf-thing trap and moved back to Santy. Very smart. Best whiskers in all of skavendom.

Also Mac, you understand that Im sussing you because your worldview of the game seems to waver ? Like some of th post you did also doesnt add up with how you put me in your W!hk cat in the same tier as JACK. And Esoos in Lean Wolf for that matter.

Its like, too big of a flaw for me to ignore

This maybe means Santy is town-thing.

Also Mac, you understand that Im sussing you because your worldview of the game seems to waver ? Like some of th post you did also doesnt add up with how you put me in your W!hk cat in the same tier as JACK. And Esoos in Lean Wolf for that matter.

Its like, too big of a flaw for me to ignore

You are in that tier because you have partner equity with Snow who at the time I was speculating had partner equity with HK. I had explained my progressions at the time but to summarise it for you.

Day 1 - Snow has me middling, above null. Votes out Ender with me. Has Santy, HK and others below me.
Day 2 - Achro, Lily, Esooa, Porscha all come out pushing onto me. Suddenly Snow says "Yeah Mac is off" votes me. And drops you AND HK from their POE with no progression at all.

I am considerate of the fact that Snow probably would just keep HK in their POE if they were mafia and have since gotten off that entire read. The fact that you have played into me the way you have has you as town to me.

But you had such a townread in me, why couldnt snow be trying to pocket me? Like, you put me down cuz of good equity with someone who had good equity with your scumread. Like, comoaring that with you 'Santy is never mafia' or something like that you posted at EoD I dont see really how that makes me trend down so much.

I think ris also had one townread in me in D1, not looking at the ISO cuz I suck at checking those but I remember it (When I sussed Essoa for doubting Visor townread on ris).

Have you read Hk/Esooa interactions?

Santy I had you in a literal townleans category why are you freaking out about it? You keep acting like me putting you in the same tier as Jack is a problem. I am literally townreading Jack.

Santy can be friend-ally for now. Better reasons to believe that than most things.

what do you guys think?

[Jackofhearts2005]

But glow-thing is probably town-town.

[Porscha]

btw if you guys are confused about the toxic gamestate, i'm almost certain it's just a jack wolf world and we're all sitting here twiddling our thumbs getting pissy with one another because the reality is that today really just needed a short day to hammer obvious jack wolf. all mafia players devolve into lunatic degeneracy when they are left to their own devices for too long (see: asmr and dizzy win)

or whichever GOC it was when Alison was the last non-town player standing and all we had to do was chop her.

tbh I'll vote for jack today

What changed, old-thing?

he needs a cw so I imagine anything would work and unfortunately it's lil queek.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Old-thing @hollowkatt, what thinks you of Porscha? You forgot-forgot her.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Queek has a full day left to sort-catch wolf-thing(s?) in snow, nanook, porscha and lily.

Easy task for Queek Headtaker, mightiest-best of all skaven!

[Porscha]

Old-thing @hollowkatt, what thinks you of Porscha? You forgot-forgot her.

it's easy to forget my slot exists when i'm locktown with no thread pull for too long

[Porscha]

Queek has a full day left to sort-catch wolf-thing(s?) in snow, nanook, porscha and lily.

Easy task for Queek Headtaker, mightiest-best of all skaven!

I will fight you for your portion of the timeshare

[Jackofhearts2005]

Old-thing @hollowkatt, what thinks you of Porscha? You forgot-forgot her.

it's easy to forget my slot exists when i'm locktown with no thread pull for too long

Harder to forget you when you're stuck on Queek's back.

[Porscha]

Old-thing @hollowkatt, what thinks you of Porscha? You forgot-forgot her.

it's easy to forget my slot exists when i'm locktown with no thread pull for too long

Harder to forget you when you're stuck on Queek's back.

it is canon that I do love riding things

[Sabiplz]

This game is annoying because everytime some one is sussed yall resort to self voting and ATEing.

Yes Im aware of the hypocrisy.

But like come on if you are town this is ruining thread health.

Now pull yourself up by your boot straps and solve this game

why? I've fucking tried to and I get shit on and told "you can't be town you didn't hyper post" or "you can't be town you got suckered by mac" or "you can't be town your arguments are dumb" and frankly I can't be bothered to care any more.

this thread was ruined days ago, nothing is going to fix it and nobody cares

I care. Ignore Nook for the rest of the day. Let's just talk.

sure, what would you like to talk about?

Let's talk about hypotheticals:

Jack w then who

Jack V then who

Rising w then who

Rising V then who

Nook w then who

Nook V then who

Lily w then who

Lily V then who

Esooa w then who

Esooa V then who

Neon w then who

Neon V then who

Santy w then who

Santy V then who

Me w then who

Me V then who

Wilgz w then who

Wgz V then tho

(I think that's everyone)

I'll answer these to the best of my abilities but frankly I haven't paid nearly enough attention to anything to give you real actionable information.

First the easy ones, these people are always town for me:
sabi
esooa

I don't think anyone approaches this game the way either of you have, have had the conversations you've had, and the pushes that you've both made if either of you are a wolf. Some of it is Mac spew/engagement, some of it is Achro engagement, and some of it is just trying your damnedest to solve the game. If either of you are a wolf then amazingly done and I bow to your greatness. But you're not, you're both town.

Wigly can never be paired with Macdougall, it's just not possible. He was suspicious of Mac early on D1, continued that into D2. There's no reason for WIgly to bus Mac of all team mates that early. Maybe a third mate sure, but you've got to know that Mac is going to draw a lot of attention anyways, so credit is minimal if you are on him when he goes over, and if you are aiding in drawing that attention, as I believe wigly was, you're doing your team a disservice. I know it's misplay mafia but still, that's a really really bad one.
I also find Wiglys consistent tunneling on Neon semi-endearing. Not because it's cute and fluffy but because Wigly returns there in times of stress in the thread, continues to remind us that Wigly wolf reads Neon, and overall seems like if Wigly were wolfing here he'd be doing more than just reminders of the read, he'd be laying out reasoning why the wolf exists.

I also like his engagement with Achro during the Mac push


Next tier of ease:
Santy I think has really turned it around over the last couple of IRL days. I disliked their posting early in the game and middle of D2 but the rest of D2 and into today they're showing the type of solving action that I saw displayed in my qualifier this year. Basically when santy got off the shitpost train and hopped onto the build wall cases train is when it shifted for me. Santy is trying to engage multiple people on multiple fronts, none of which are advancing what I would call a wolf agenda. There's too many irons in the fire for Santy to keep track of if they were trying to wolf the game.

Next tier:
nanook I've said before I think nanook believes in his HK is a wolf push. It's gone on too long for it to be taking seriously by literally anyone who isn't him. He doubled down when I explained to him why it's not a strict sort by postcount to find wolf HK, I also explained how I'm never keeping up with the pace of this game in a way that doesn't trigger a "relative post count tell" regardless of my alignment. He didn't care, doubled down. I can't understand how nanook as a wolf does that because if he catches the car and gets me chopped and I flip town his only response can be "I thought I was right" and after being shown how he's not right and I can't (read also as won't) keep up with 300+ posts from 3 people on D1 his argument falls apart and then he's got to play defense there.
I also don't think he pairs with Mac very well. This is probably the weakest part of the read because nanook is known for doing his own thing regardless of what his team mates have going on but I believe in it.

I know I'm not answering the way you want me to, I can't really think of how to build worlds like that, it's not a way my brain works very well. Instead what I can do is give the reasons why I believe players alignments are the way they are, and then go from there to form a POE.

Which brings me to the POE section.

In very little order:
Lily
Risiinq
Jack
Neon

They're here because I have less reason to town read them than I do the above list. If I have some time later I'll pull reasons why I think they can be a wolf paired with mac but for now I don't have the capacity to do so, sorry.

OK I like this


When you have time can you order the poe from most or least likely scum and the partner analysis.

Thank you for this hk

[Sabiplz]

Queek has a full day left to sort-catch wolf-thing(s?) in snow, nanook, porscha and lily.

Easy task for Queek Headtaker, mightiest-best of all skaven!

I believe in you

[Sabiplz]

Jack is just obsessed with me. Can you blame him?

[Sabiplz]

Anyway my fever has gotten worse so I'm going to dip for a few hours so I can sleep it off. Love you all xoxo

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (6) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Porscha, sabiplz
Santygrass (3) - Jack, Hollowkatt, Macdougall
Neon (2) - Achromatic, Lilypetal
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook
Riisinq- (1) - Neon

don't flash wagon neon jfc

???

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: hk] aubergine I'm bored now and apparently even my best isn't good enough

[hollowkatt]

Old-thing @hollowkatt, what thinks you of Porscha? You forgot-forgot her.

lol so I did.

I think Porscha is town. I had some reasons earlier and then kinda just forgot she existed. I'll dig those up shortly.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.

jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?

This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show

When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

.....

How is that materially different from his "your meta is wrong" defense against me, lol

[DrWilgy]

From Marmot: lucy is now a MoD and will handle all penis-related inquiries.

Perfect, a much needed role filled.

[DrWilgy]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (6) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Porscha, sabiplz
Santygrass (3) - Jack, Hollowkatt, Macdougall
Neon (2) - Achromatic, Lilypetal
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook
Riisinq- (1) - Neon

don't flash wagon neon jfc

???

I for one still think we should flash wagon Neon

[hollowkatt]

Old-thing not done secret old-thing tell. No kill-slay old thing today.

jack please elaborate what tell you're referring to in regards to hk here?

This very secret tell. Old-thing no read!

Spoiler: show

When old-thing is mafia, old-thing says "I have changed my meta so your meta scumread on me is wrong"

.....

How is that materially different from his "your meta is wrong" defense against me, lol

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME explain to me what my "ratio" should have been to be town via volume in a game that had 3343 posts when D1 ended. Then explain to me where I find the time between a job, a 6yr old that needs supervision, help with school work, getting off the bus, bathed, fed, I cook dinner every night for between 45-60 minutes, then eat said food for 30 minutes, then sleep at least 6 hours. I'll wait.

[hollowkatt]

Spoiler: show

This game is annoying because everytime some one is sussed yall resort to self voting and ATEing.

Yes Im aware of the hypocrisy.

But like come on if you are town this is ruining thread health.

Now pull yourself up by your boot straps and solve this game

why? I've fucking tried to and I get shit on and told "you can't be town you didn't hyper post" or "you can't be town you got suckered by mac" or "you can't be town your arguments are dumb" and frankly I can't be bothered to care any more.

this thread was ruined days ago, nothing is going to fix it and nobody cares

I care. Ignore Nook for the rest of the day. Let's just talk.

sure, what would you like to talk about?

Let's talk about hypotheticals:

Jack w then who

Jack V then who

Rising w then who

Rising V then who

Nook w then who

Nook V then who

Lily w then who

Lily V then who

Esooa w then who

Esooa V then who

Neon w then who

Neon V then who

Santy w then who

Santy V then who

Me w then who

Me V then who

Wilgz w then who

Wgz V then tho

(I think that's everyone)

I'll answer these to the best of my abilities but frankly I haven't paid nearly enough attention to anything to give you real actionable information.

First the easy ones, these people are always town for me:
sabi
esooa

I don't think anyone approaches this game the way either of you have, have had the conversations you've had, and the pushes that you've both made if either of you are a wolf. Some of it is Mac spew/engagement, some of it is Achro engagement, and some of it is just trying your damnedest to solve the game. If either of you are a wolf then amazingly done and I bow to your greatness. But you're not, you're both town.

Wigly can never be paired with Macdougall, it's just not possible. He was suspicious of Mac early on D1, continued that into D2. There's no reason for WIgly to bus Mac of all team mates that early. Maybe a third mate sure, but you've got to know that Mac is going to draw a lot of attention anyways, so credit is minimal if you are on him when he goes over, and if you are aiding in drawing that attention, as I believe wigly was, you're doing your team a disservice. I know it's misplay mafia but still, that's a really really bad one.
I also find Wiglys consistent tunneling on Neon semi-endearing. Not because it's cute and fluffy but because Wigly returns there in times of stress in the thread, continues to remind us that Wigly wolf reads Neon, and overall seems like if Wigly were wolfing here he'd be doing more than just reminders of the read, he'd be laying out reasoning why the wolf exists.

I also like his engagement with Achro during the Mac push


Next tier of ease:
Santy I think has really turned it around over the last couple of IRL days. I disliked their posting early in the game and middle of D2 but the rest of D2 and into today they're showing the type of solving action that I saw displayed in my qualifier this year. Basically when santy got off the shitpost train and hopped onto the build wall cases train is when it shifted for me. Santy is trying to engage multiple people on multiple fronts, none of which are advancing what I would call a wolf agenda. There's too many irons in the fire for Santy to keep track of if they were trying to wolf the game.

Next tier:
nanook I've said before I think nanook believes in his HK is a wolf push. It's gone on too long for it to be taking seriously by literally anyone who isn't him. He doubled down when I explained to him why it's not a strict sort by postcount to find wolf HK, I also explained how I'm never keeping up with the pace of this game in a way that doesn't trigger a "relative post count tell" regardless of my alignment. He didn't care, doubled down. I can't understand how nanook as a wolf does that because if he catches the car and gets me chopped and I flip town his only response can be "I thought I was right" and after being shown how he's not right and I can't (read also as won't) keep up with 300+ posts from 3 people on D1 his argument falls apart and then he's got to play defense there.
I also don't think he pairs with Mac very well. This is probably the weakest part of the read because nanook is known for doing his own thing regardless of what his team mates have going on but I believe in it.

I know I'm not answering the way you want me to, I can't really think of how to build worlds like that, it's not a way my brain works very well. Instead what I can do is give the reasons why I believe players alignments are the way they are, and then go from there to form a POE.

Which brings me to the POE section.

In very little order:
Lily
Risiinq
Jack
Neon

They're here because I have less reason to town read them than I do the above list. If I have some time later I'll pull reasons why I think they can be a wolf paired with mac but for now I don't have the capacity to do so, sorry.

OK I like this


When you have time can you order the poe from most or least likely scum and the partner analysis.

Thank you for this hk

ordered poe from least to most:
jack
lily
neon
risiinq

I can give you the partner analysis after dinner/bed time