The Syndicate

Dom why did you guys kill me. After the moment we shared in Star Wars you should've let me live. :P


Also thanks for the game Epi and LC it was fun.

Disappointed I didn't win, but next Epi game I'll win.

Enrique wrote:Just a little before he died, sig started heavily hinting at Mr. Freeze so that I would not lynch him, which is hilarious because it only made me want him dead much more Although ideally we would've triggered Cuckoo Freeze first.

My four choices at the start of the game were:
Tony Zucco
The Joker
Mr. Freeze
Renee Montoya

So the first two days were amazing for me. Honestly I thought Dom was Montoya and that's why I voted for him. What a mess.

Well shit, I was sure DH or Matt was mafia since I blocked them both one night and there wasn't a kill. I was also sure sure sure you or Golden was the silencer since nobody was silenced the first night. I really wanted to go SK on everyone, but instead tried to pursue the freezing thing and figured I'd hint it since why not. :P
Once I thought I was set to win I started hinting more figuring I'd get myself lynched before Catwomen/Scarecrow messed me up. I was way off lol.

SO MAFIA WHY DID YOU KILL ME! Like whyyyyy. At least I wasn't lynched.

juliets wrote:Is anyone here to talk about who we might lynch tomorrow?

If you rezz me then yes. :P

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Poll has no end timer lol

Day 8 ends at 10:30pm EST.

Getting ready for my Sig's 10:31pm EST rezz party time.

fixed

DrWilgy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I am telling you guys Golden is so obviously Salacious Crumb.

I chuckled.

So did I

Epignosis wrote:Bear in mind that the detectives don't have time for amateurs. This is not a guessing game. They are willing to hear you out one time and one time only. If you are wrong, you lose all credibility, and they will not hear you again.

Can ghosts play to? :P

Epignosis wrote:
Also. Gotham spring premiere tonight with Mr. Freeze.

REALLY? I didn't know that I thought it was coming out like March 19. I've got something to do tonight then.

Matt wrote: Also SVS, I didn't watch a lot of Muppets

I'm ashamed of you, even a sarcastic youngin whipper snapper like myself have seen the original Muppet movies/show. This is like saying you've never watched Star Wars or don't know who Mel Brooks is.

@Glorfidnel can you give me your thoughts on what happened yesterday? Anything that stuck out, theories ect.

Scotty wrote: Voted for black gate.

I better make sure not to drop the soap :P

MacDougall wrote:I wanna see those role secrets before I celebrate. I don't feel bad about it but I can't see why we'd be thrilled either. The Joker might not have been very anti-town for all we know. She said herself was playing pro-town.

Either way she had to kill one townie and one pro town role, so I'm quite happy with these results.

MacDougall wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Sorry Black Rock, I have played probably over 100 Mafia games and I have never had to self preservation vote before. I don't like it.

Did you not suspect her?

I suspected her yes because I think your case has merit. It still doesn't make me like having to self pres vote her. I would have preferred to vote for quite a few before her.

Who?

linki: @MM dw I got it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:That last minute save is sketchy as hell.

Didn't you just vote last minute?

oh my clock is 2 minutes fast

@Bulls I think I know what it is, but maybe I don't idk.

I@mac okay well two minutes left.

linki: BR I keep forgetting the rock part.

Why haven't you voted for BK yet?

MacDougall wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Well then put on your pom poms and help me get BR lynched

I am in the precarious situation of needing to keep my vote for self preservation while also wanting to ensure I vote the most likely candidate. I am contemplating whether the missing kill last night was a result of absentee scum.

I kind off doubt that. But it could be.

I will be voting for BK unless I need to self preservation myself. If we both vote for BK it will tie things up.

I was suspicious of Mac early in this phase and did think TH made some good points, however I also liked Mac responses and his posts in general. So I won't be voting for him.

I will look over TH's case on BR in a bit, I did have a minor ping of her early on, but can't recall what it was from.

I'm also still considering a Typh vote, but I don't think I will end the phase with that vote. Besides if he is Penguin and tries to blackmail Mac, he can always find a way to tell us tomorrow and we can lynch Typh then.

Enrique's switch from hunting Inmates to not hunting is funny, are you sure you aren't an inmate Enrique? :P

Golden's vote is a slight ping, but not really I'm still reading him as a civ.

@SVS did you answer my question? If not could you please do that.
@DFaraday What are your current thoughts?

Never mind for some reason I thought Floyd voted for MP at some point.

Enrique wrote:sig why did you cross me out I'm not dead yet

You voted for me day 1 and I wasn't blackmailed, so the chances of you being the Penguin is little to none.

@SVS how was my last post opportunistic seeming?

@Scotty Yes it could be either of them. I also just realized it could be someone else, but I need to check it out real quick first.

Night 2
on Matt
Enrique (5), Scotty (10), Bullzeye (11),Nerolunar (12), sabie12 (25) 16%

Night 1 other voters

lovedelic/sabie?
1
Scotty (12)
4%

DrWilgy
4
Bullzeye (14)

Sabie = No vote.

I doubt if Scotty was Penguin he would have voted for lovedelic night 1. In theory Bull's could be Penguin, however I think it is much more likely that Typhoony is Penguin.

If Matt is the rRiddler his power could increase every time someone mentioned/interacted with his cures. Or Matt could be mafia and he is just doing this so he won't be lynched. Though I doubt that is the case.

Sabie could also be the penguin, but then MP condition isn't explained which is the main reason I thought Typh was the Penguin. For Typh saying he isn't a noob this is true, however MP might still be able to find a loophole for the blackmailing.

Okay true.

Typhoony basically just no u voted Mac, I don't like that.

His defense for not being Penguin is that he wouldn't be that nooby, I disagree I think it is more likely he is the Penguin then not.

He has to be alive at the end of game to win, we are then letting one cop loose, plus Typhoony's job would be to get us to end game ASAP, that means he isn't siding with the civs and it would probably be easier to win with the mafia. Leaving him alive is dangerous as Mac said the longer he is here the more powerful and dangerous he becomes. I think he would be a good lynch candidate today simply since the Penguin isn't pro civ, and could in fact do more damage to the civs then the mafia.


Is there anything on Mac besides his Nero interactions?


linki: Juliets, the Penguin doesn't seem like the type to curse someone, unless you mean that is what he is blackmailing him into doing?

I'm not twisting his every word, that is what I took from it. The first three posts you quoted I took the first and third to be joking, and he never answered me on the second. That post was also not a lie. He said he was close minded at the time and rushed into it to quickly I took that to mean he thought he was wrong since he did rush into it to quickly and wouldn't have voted on me then.

That isn't a lie he didn't suspect me last night imo. More so didn't you say you thought his reasoning for voting me was bad anyway?

To address your last point I'm not trying to make him look more irrational or irrational at all I was proving that he had changed his mind over the course of the day/night and that this latest thing was forced.

MacDougall wrote:So he was told that not only does he have to vote for you, but that he also has to mention that you are his number 1 suspect in every single post?

That seems like two actions.

True, though maybe it is something along the lines of try to get sig lynched, so he is "trying" yet not really?

MacDougall wrote:Is Typhoony really going to blackmail MP into doing something that obvious in the thread though?

Surely he'd blackmail him into something less ... blatant.

"You have to say sig is your number 1 suspect in every post for the rest of the game or I will send your role to someone else..."

The second question being ... Why would MP agree to that if his role was not malevolent?

Any role being revealed to a rival is bad, say he is a cop 7 that information would go to whoever cop 7 needs to hunt or vice verse. That is my understanding of the role. It could just be he has to lynch me/push for my lynch and MP is doing that since it is within the guidelines yet so obvious he doesn't mean it.

He could hit a mafia, but there is a larger chance of his role hurting town, plus he could blackmail the mafia into say not targeting him and then use it to win with them. Either way I agree with Mac here and would lynch the Penguin.

He also has a few posts Night 1 about Wilgy, here is one of them.

Typhoony wrote:Why the fuck do people still think Wilgy was Robin when he was not around to send in the lynch stop? Please explain, thanks.

Also, I don't have a lot of time until Night 2 to follow the game so don't expect a lot from me

In hindsight this hints to me that he knows Wilgy's role. So here is the question if this is true is he worth lynching? I'm inclined to say yes for a few reasons.
1. The Survivor can swing either way and in lylo they are more likely to swing mafia imo.
2. He is trying to get me lynched
3. He is an Inmate and he isn't pro civ ,

I've narrowed it down to most likely one of them based on day 1 lynch option.

@Enrique false I addressed it within one of my first posts at the beginning of this phase.

linki: yeah that is my thoughts about Typhoony as well.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:MP are you poisoned and cursed? Or is the sig thing something else?

I did get poisoned. The sig thing? What sig thing?

sig is my number one suspect.

As well as saying there isn't a thing since he can't for whatever reason.

MacDougall wrote:So I'll vote for sig then?

MP is cursed or something why else say it every post this phase when he didn't suspect me before (last night) and disputed his previous vote of me in other posts.

So why would you vote for me?

MacDougall wrote:Must of missed that...

Okay so that's fine to make the assumption that by Glorf being silenced others would not be, but I don't think you really can? There could be multiple silence mechanisms. Hostage taking/kidnapping/freezing it's all fairly run of the mill for a Mafia of this theme innit?

I guess that could be true, but for multiply days? Without being able to double target it would be weird for those players to be silenced etc by two different powers in a row.

LoRab wrote:This thread has my head spinning and my brain hurting. So many posts and ideas and theories. And I'm way too tired to fully consider them all. I need to think more before I figure out what I think.

Also, in case she is searching her name, I still want Bubbles to explain her post about Dom a few days ago. (not trying to push anything, but really want an answer, and figuring she might be name searching, since she is not reading fully).

She did just sub out of the other game so I don't think it is an alignment indicator.

@Scotty yep same with Floyd, I don't know what to make of it. Neither are silenced this round and I doubt there is a game role which stops them from being able to post at all.

Quick little theory maybe poisoned players are forced to do something or they will die. This could explain Matt's knock knock joke thing yesterday.

Enrique wrote:dammit i did say that

I'm leaving school right now and I have a doctors appointment from 7-8, but I'll see if I can whip up something real quick as soon as I'm home.

Kinky.

MacDougall wrote:

sig wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Why are we hunting penguins again?

I've heard they taste good?

No but really what's the need for hunting the Penguin?

I seriously don't know Spirtyo brought it up and then Enrique, in theory this could start the Inmate argument again. I am personally not happy with the Penguin since I think he made MP lynch me today.

The only mentioning of the Penguin before this from me was about why MP was voting for me and who it could be and how that effects the Mr.Freeze thing.

I've concluded something, Enrique lets here the crazy theory.

MacDougall wrote:Why are we hunting penguins again?

I've heard they taste good?

Enrique wrote:

sprityo wrote:yknow, it just popped into my mind. why hasnt poison ivy been poisoning?

or for that matter, if she has, what's the time on how long it takes to kill someone?

a couple days? should we expect to see someone randomly drop dead tomorrow morning alongside the nightkill?

i mean that and the penguin, no one has really talked about him. unless i mean, he is still "blackmailing them"

be back later for more

This is a very important question to be asking today.

Yeah it is, how much do we want to Penguin hunt though?

Ugh I'm dealing with a super annoying girl in my Venturing scout troop I swear I should just stop socializing with people it never ends well. Though one more thing to add to resumes.


linki: another theory?

@Sorsha why would I be one of the three he would freeze?

Sorsha wrote:Ok thanks guys.

I agree w/Enrique about it probably being mp, sig or sabie.

Sig- which one(s) do you think it most likely is?

As far as the Ra's/zebra thing. Hasn't MP been asking for lynch also? I'd say he's a top contender for my vote today but I'm usually wary when someone asks for a lynch.

Linki- TH I was reviewing your Mac case last night- and had gone back and was reading him from the point of Enrique doing the 180 on Matt/Nero and I just didn't really get the feeling that Mac was a Nero teammate. I fell asleep while doing that though so I should probably go look again. Good points on BR though. Time permitting I'll look over it/her posts in more detail.

Well it wasn't me I can assure you of that.

Enrique, Turnip, DH, MP, sig, sabie, or dat Zeebs.

So I'd say we have three scenarios.
1. Mr. Freeze used both his blocks on the people above and stopped the kill
2. Mr Freeze used one of his blocks and hit the mafia, using the other to complete his own win con
3. Mr Freeze didn't use either of his blocks on the people above and instead searched for his own win con/wanted a mafia kill to further deplete the player pool.

Three would require someone else successfully blocking the kill, this could be a secret role or the other team blocked them.

Know I'm going to look at MP my theory is the Penguin targeted him.
MovingPictures07
3
DharmaHelper (13), Dom (15), Typhoony (22) 9%
One of these three are the Penguin only one is on the list above, there is then a 33% chance DH wasn't targeted by Mr. Freeze. So I'd rank him lower as a potential blocked.

Having said that there is still a chance DH was blocked by freeze I just think it is less likely then someone else. I believe Zebra was blocked by Freeze and if Freeze went with option two then either MP, TH, or Sabie.
Reading over the thread I see TH as being quite civvie, MP is an unknown right know. Sabie was widely inactive/lurking and voted for Matt something that in hindsight is quite scummy. SO if I had to pick two I'd say Zebra and Sabie are the most likely to be blocked.
Listed in most to least.
1. Zebra
2. Sabie She was online today yet didn't post in game we know she isn't silenced if she was blocked she'd know and might be trying to keep a low profile
3. MP,
4. TH
5. DH/Enrique This depends on my Penguin idea which is which.
6 Enrique/Sig
7 Sig/Enrique.


Thoughts on this everyone?

linki: Sorry sorsha it took longer then expected

juliets wrote:

sig wrote:OMG are you claiming Alfred lynch him!

I don't understand sig. What are you seeing?

I'm not I was being sarcastic since there was that huge back and forth with him. Sorry I meant to add a sticky out tongue but forgot.

OMG are you claiming Alfred lynch him!

Matt wrote:I second Enrique's Mr Freeze idea. Please block 2 of the following... Enrique, Turnip, DH, MP, sig, sabie, or dat Zeebs.

This was Matt's list, if we are assuming Mr Freeze blocked people on this list at all, he might have blocked two or one. I'd say this isn't enough alone to find someone to lynch but could help point us in the right direction.

Enrique wrote:MP for how long has sig been your number one supect?

I'm guessing since the beginning of the day when someone hungered/forced it tell me was this your doing Enrique?

TH case on Mac is worth thinking over, I've kind off moved off my idea that DH is mafia.