The Syndicate

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 7:51 pm I'm so shocked.

When you made that post I was terrified that would be the end. You had me dead to rights

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 4:01 pm Based on interactions with Invictus, in light of Marmot's claim:

Dyslexicon
hollowkatt

staypositivefriend
DkKoba/Syn
Long Con

TonyStarkPrime
Nanook

Names within tiers are not ordered.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:58 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:00 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:09 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:09 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:59 pm [VOTE: dyslexicon] aubergine


Let's go with this. It feels right in the bones

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Agree 100%

probs one wolf in here

Careful or I might vig you Day 1 again.

Not that I need to convince anyone today, but I made this post Day 1. If hollowkat was scum, he'd probably have been able to tell I was hinting at being the vig because he'd have known the role was in the game. But I'm still alive, which tells me that he is therefore town and didn't notice it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:58 pm I said I was going backwards.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:54 pm Interactions of Invictus and Long Con

From Invictus

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Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:44 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:35 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:01 amNo he’s Lock Town.
Get off them!

Nah I do what I want.

But to be real, Hollow hasn't said or done anything that makes me think they are any particular alignment. It's a shrug from me. Your read on Hollow is not mine, and I'm not convinced by the reasoning of it, which is also a subjective thing. But if Hollow is town (or not), I think I should be able to figure it out.

i dont like giving this away before it gets anywhere tho. why not wait and see?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:38 am Nanook, still posting about shows and not players?

what is our experience with them because based on my limited experience i dont think that would indicate much of anything.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:58 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:25 am where is the activity overview on this site so i can find whos talked yet

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:26 am [VOTE: long con] aubergine

Just gonna assume person who hasn't voted yet is one of them

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:26 am lets do itttt wagon up

not really sure i like this string of posts too as it was no longer RVS and there was clearly content to make reads from and go after.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:22 pm Alison
DkKoba
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
Fingersplints
Gavial
Hollowkatt
Long Con
Marmot
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Staypositivefriend
tonystarkprime


this is disappointingly less than i thought.

still a good start!

i dont include scum reads on my lists, but im more than happy to clarify who those are if anyone asks. particularly i dont like gavial, hollow, or koba right now and will vote among those 3.

if anyone thinks this is too many town reads, there's also a lot of town compared to scum! i like to solve via town reads and creating a poe to find scum. for the most part my town reads are pretty consistently good so it works well for me.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:49 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:23 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:22 pm [VOTE: dkkoba] aubergine

Town

Why

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:53 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:50 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:49 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:23 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:22 pm [VOTE: dkkoba] aubergine

Town

Why

If you read first and ask questions later.
You wouldn’t have even needed to ask “why”.

True


But I still don't get your explanation as to why that never comes from wolf

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:32 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:21 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:10 pm Current quick takes.

Alison is town for pushing for activity.
Dizzy is town for reasonable reads and OMGUSing. Good luck surviving til Day 2 Dizzy.
I am town because my rolecard says so.

oof, i don't like this post. do you think that alison would not push to make the game more active as a wolf? would dizzy not have "reasonable reads" as a wolf? this feels like a fairly surface level analysis

I disliked the post for other, maybe self centered reasons. Those being I was more active than Alison and had overlapping thoughts as dizzy yet Marmot didn't mention me at all

does that mean you wolfread marmot?

Leaning that way yes.

Ddk's frustration with nook reads Towny with me because the game I just played with nook had 3 separate townies all get frustrated in a similar fashion to nook(including me), altho that's not enough to really change my read on him. I'd still like to see one of their scum games for cross comparison.

I don't really understand hollow's play at all and I think his accusations against me are kinda bad, but the sheer tunneling gives me town vibes. Not sure why they're so persistent on scum reading and voting me while being tied as the leading wagon, but not shifting their attention over to ddk or even really going at them reads well because they're not overly concerned, at least not yet, with self pres. Unless I guess they could both be scum, but I'd assume they'd at least distance in that case.

I continued to like SPF's posting, seem rather carefree and town to me.

Flint kinda vibed town in my read back too but nothing concrete there.

Not really sure I like long con thus far as it feels like they're just coasting by letting day play out. If both wagons are town it would be good to look back on as it would make sense for scum to just sit back and wait in that case.

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:07 am [VOTE: vote long con] aubergine

Let's see what happens with this, if anything at all!


I don't have a huge case or anything, everything just feels stagnant and I hate when things are stagnant

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:02 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:00 am my vote is still up in the air, gavial. if you feel strongly about the current wagons being town and you have a good alternative, i will earnestly consider it

but you dont seem to be suggesting alternatives

Thoughts on long con?

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:39 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:11 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:02 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:00 am my vote is still up in the air, gavial. if you feel strongly about the current wagons being town and you have a good alternative, i will earnestly consider it

but you dont seem to be suggesting alternatives

Thoughts on long con?

i said they were town - why would they be scum here?

for the exact reasons i said. in a scenario where both you and hk are town, scum have to do very little outside of letting the wagons play out and they're guaranteed a scum flip.

outside of that, there's no reason to hard lock town reads halfway through day 1(well 60% through day 1) and discussion doesn't hurt. i just generally feel like their impact is low.

alison is another person that has gone mia since the start of the phase as well.

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:37 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:04 am I want to leave my vote on dk cause it's clearly annoying him and his whole thing is mildly annoying to me

But he's probably town so

I'll move it eventually

why eventually. if you got nowhere else to be, LONG CON IS THE VOTE TO BE

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:33 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:27 pm Yes. I’m just forgetful of what/who/why in regards to the hollowkatt suspicion. I think I was focused on the DkK thing when it was going on.

fair enough.

i was also on the dizzy wagon and i unvoted mostly due to their persistent tunneling of me even while facing a heavy wagon. going against the grain and sticking to it even while tied with another poster(at the time dkk, they both had 4) is usually a town look as id expect scum to go more in a self-pres mentality. they didn't even bring up dkk when they could have.

i did mention that it could be due to them being teammates and not wanting to sink one another so early on, but for now i doubt that as i think distancing would be the optimal play in that scenario but it's possible.

i think dizzy is still kinda somewhat suspect of them, but just thought long con is more in his poe? i could be wrong there.

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:48 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:24 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:22 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:19 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:18 pm LC imma be honest i dont think ur reads are like well founded in good faith - like why is Gavial scum here?

like i say this as I dont want to have to defend you from people eager to lim a slot that is playing poorly and want to in fact help you not play poorly here and cooperate with town and good faith hunt rather than push people who are >rand town lol

What do you mean by "good faith"? I think he could be scum. I thought so earlier, and his zaniness seems too forced.

or that could just be their personality...

Yeah, that could be. You seem to know. Do you know too much? You seem to know I'm town and that gavial's town. [VOTE: dkkoba] aubergine

Chill buddy even I know that much and I’ve read 70 percent of the thread

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:24 pm Ok, cool. [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

why did you back off so easily here LC?

Orange: Bookmarking this as the start of Invictus giving LC crap. Prior to this the material had been non-descript nothingness. So I'll just follow the progression.

Generally, I think Long Con, when civilian, is one of the more token "easy targets" especially for people who don't know him already -- he plays with individualism, an obstinate tone, and doesn't concern himself much with prevailing anything. In that light, there's a decent chance Invictus pulled LC out of a hat as the most obvious "guy I can shade" available (as the off-wagon voting semi-low poster) -- that would be to LC's credit. It's a presumptuous notion I grant.

That kind of easy smear vibe persists to the yellow thing. Given that LC wasn't an odds-on chop himself I can't say this is clear-cut opportunism, but gun to my head that's my impression. Invictus needed someone to poop on, and LC seemed like the right name.

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From Long Con

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Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 2:10 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:57 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:52 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:38 am Nanook, still posting about shows and not players?

What do you think this means?

hi

i shouldn't answer for them but i havent interacted with you yet so i will!


if someone chooses to continue fluffing instead of getting involved people find it suspicious as fluff is something scum can hide behind instead of having to engage in the actual content of the game

that said my understanding is nook is pretty experienced and most wolves are self-aware enough to know to get somewhat involved so they don't look bad whereas town are more apathetic to it. it looks similar to my experience with nook so i think it's kinda towny, but i have no idea what his scum game is like.

I do understand that, but LC put that comment out there without giving any real stance on it. For town, could be a genuine thought to explorers. For mafia could be a way to casually start up suspicion on someone who could be an easy lynch. So I was hoping to hear him clarify his thoughts more to see which I believed him to be.

I just felt it was, like, a genuine thought to explore - if someone chooses to continue fluffing instead of getting involved people find it suspicious as fluff is something scum can hide behind instead of having to engage in the actual content of the game, you know? However, Invictus could be right, nook is pretty experienced, and most wolves are self-aware enough to know to get somewhat involved. I'm not that great at reading Nanook anyway.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:42 am I'm not sure what it means that neither Invictus nor fingersplints had anything to say about me copy-pasting a response to their suspicions.

This adds nothing to the interaction of note.

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Conclusion

There's a relative dearth of things to talk about, even if from the Invictus side those things are of significance. I'd be more comfortable if I had more content to develop my perspectives. Gun to my head Long Con is not Invictus's teammate.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:53 pm Also, the reason I claimed today is a couple reasons

1) I'm POE'd so I'm just going to get that out of the way.
2) Gavial is already an outed tracker, so the mafia has to either kill him tonight, giving me two shots, or kill me tonight, giving him another track, but giving me 1 shot at least.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:51 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:54 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:47 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:45 am The point is that Gavial is infamous for having insane troll logic and I think this is because he simply views the game in a very twisty and strange way that is far removed from everyone else's when he is town. His play this game seems much more orthodox and I believe this is a symptom of him trying to mimic "normal" townies.

if the assumption in this post is correct (that gavial's read on me was totally serious), then wouldn't you say that it's pretty unconventional/strange for him to have a confident scumread based on the first couple of posts on page 1? how would you say that those reads are "orthodox" or "sane"?

something might be getting lost in translation w/your read on gavial, because the only frame of reference i have for him is fargo mafia, where he was fairly normal (iirc)

i like this tho. somewhat cause the question makes sense, also somewhat because they're defending the person that voted them(i know it's an early day 1 vote that means nothing, but as scum it wouldn't be too hard to piggyback on either the accusation against gavial or against anyone that's been pressured thus far but SPF chooses to dig deeper for a read which ME LIKES).

SPF can have a slight town read.


that being said, do you find alison suspicious for coming to such strong conclusions early or is it a towny thing? based on her read of gavial im assuming meta isn't disregarded on this site!

alison having strong conclusions early is pretty typical for her as either alignment. i got pinged by her read initially because it had a train of thought that didn't seem totally fluid to me (ie: describing gavial's reads as "conventional" when his play up until that point had been anything but conventional), but i think it's fine in the context of alison having highly specific meta about gavial's playstyle, and in the context of her trying to provide content to a game that was almost entirely dead

SPF made this post with regard to Alison early on. She implied that she was pinged by a particular thing that Alison did, but then walked it back in the same post.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:43 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:40 am We should also talk about how Alison is scum.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:07 am SPF is probably town. I like her town reads, I like all her thoughts, I like that she doesn't try to be flashy or project town too much. Good content without shoving it in our faceses.

Had a feeling Tony was town for his first post. Just seemed like something he said because he felt it necessary (from a town perspective), not because he felt he needed to say something (in which case maybe he would've felt the need to say more too). Maybe this is thin, but that's what I got.

I'm pretty ok with Invictus so far. But it's not like I feel I should trust him immediately, which I already have expressed.

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Don't know about anybody else. Alison, I don't really see where she is coming from with her Gavial read. I also felt she could've waited in any case. I don't have a read on Alison, don't quite remember how I've felt in other games with her.

the first quote has a level of spiciness that is utterly let down by the second quote. why assertively call alison scum and then back off from that read before alison (or anyone, for that matter) had the opportunity to react?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:10 pm Current quick takes.

Alison is town for pushing for activity.
Dizzy is town for reasonable reads and OMGUSing. Good luck surviving til Day 2 Dizzy.
I am town because my rolecard says so.

oof, i don't like this post. do you think that alison would not push to make the game more active as a wolf? would dizzy not have "reasonable reads" as a wolf? this feels like a fairly surface level analysis

We then have these couple posts where SPF interrogates other players based on their handling of Alison.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:27 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:19 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:07 am im about to go to bed, but will be somewhat around before the deadline tomorrow. if u have any burning questions for me, i would ask them now

what do your current reads look like, SPF?

thanks for asking! i feel fairly strongly about fingersplints being a villager but it's more of a soulread than anything else - there is a level of sincerity/comfort in her posting that i find it difficult to believe that she would have as a wofl. my understanding is that dizzy has a very good wolf game, but i townread him as well - he has mindmelded with me at multiple points throughout the game with regards to our perspective and the stuff that we're interested in pursuing, and i like that he has an equally strong soulread on fingersplints

i still townlean invictius, even though i feel that his playstyle is one that i might be inclined to townread regardless of his alignment. i would GTH lean on nanook and koba being town - at least to the extent that i am not interested in chopping either of them today. i think that long con had exactly one (1) villagery post, so i'm not inspired by his wagon, but i'm not at a level where i feel comfortable defending or shielding him

i was lightly pinged by a couple of falcon's posts. i have been pinged by HK's posts too, but i'm holding my breath on that read because i think that HK has the capacity to make himself very obviously town if he actually is a villager. i have very little to say about alison, gavial, marmot, or tonystarkprime (i thought tsp's opening posts were villagery, but i need more for that to develop into a real townread.)

i wanted to explain these reads more, but i can barely keep my eyes open

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:57 pm my stance on long con has been that he made one villagery post toward the beginning of the game where he tinfoiled an alison/gavial team, and that i have been lukewarm about the rest of his posts. i think falcon is a preferential chop

Then in this one, we have a townlean of Invictius (ok sure, I also townread him a this point). But more interestingly is the "i have very little to say about alison".

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:57 pm my stance on long con has been that he made one villagery post toward the beginning of the game where he tinfoiled an alison/gavial team, and that i have been lukewarm about the rest of his posts. i think falcon is a preferential chop

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:28 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:26 pm I mean....
Vote the red check and then I die tonight and you maybe vote Alison for me in my place?

if you actually hold on to your claim, then sure

A couple more mentions of Alison. Not really about her, but more circumstantially talking to other people about her.

But this is where it gets more interesting.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:23 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:23 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:22 pm well w/e, i don't care if this dude wants to fish my role out. i CC vig. i did not shoot last night

you can go into anti-spew now

You shoot Alison tonight?
I track PoE?

i'd like to give alison some more time to talk before i decide if she should be POE'd or not, but i'm fine with us settling on a shot by the end of the day

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:26 pm i retract btw, i just wanted to force him to out himself =)

Gavial suggests that SPF, the claimed vig at this point, shoot Alison tonight. SPF advocates to keep her alive to talk and rescinds the claim in one fell swoop.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:39 pm knowing that gavial is a villager does make ma little more concerned about alison's push early push on him, but will withhold judgement on that front until i get to ISO her

Again here, SPF offers a little shade for Alison, but tries to protect her from the vig slot.



Addendum. There's little interest in resolving this slot at all, even at this point where they've been POE'd hard by the rest of the game. And she's even been attempting to protect her from the vig.

I believe that the Invcitus claim, SPF counterclaim was an attempt to get the vig role out in the open to talk about, and give SPF a little bit of cred for CCing providing cover. Also, in the event that SPF was a civilian and/or the actual vig, wouldn't Invictus at least try to get her yeeted instead? He gave up far to easily for me to think that's the case.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:44 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:37 pm The Vigilante thing will self resolve, with two counter claimers, the real one that just kills the fake one.

There aren't two real claims

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:43 pm Tbf i don't think there's actually much distancing this time from a third person pov, he kinda can't stand me afaik so is more likely to bus me if we're partners I think, but thats both unproven and not something I'd expect anyone here to know, so

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:06 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:05 pm Like honestly JJJ you can ask marmot that question instead of actually analyzing marmot as he’s next in alphabetical order. Lol.

I am analyzing him right now. It's what inspired me to ask.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:57 pm @Marmot do you believe SPF's counter claim on Invictus was theater?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:44 pm @Gavial Where was Tony’s pr-cover that you speak of?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:04 pm All y'all with town reads you've developed through the game, I suggest doing a trustfall. Find your bias.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:49 pm Interactions of Invictus and Nanook

From Invictus

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Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:48 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:27 pm Bluey hands down the best kids show on TV in a long ass time

I'm also partial to gumball

gumball is good but it's not bluey good. I do also really like Daniel Tiger (but that's like easy mode), Word Girl, and Little Einsteins.

Oh god the little Einsteins, I have nightmares

Ducktales also deserves honorable mention

pinky and the brain and animaniacs >>>

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:54 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:59 am "It was just a joke bro" isn't a convincing defense to me.

I mean I had more then just that and your case on me is based on thinking it’s not a joke when clearly it was.

what are your thoughts on alison thus far? And dyslexicon?

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:44 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:35 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:01 amNo he’s Lock Town.
Get off them!

Nah I do what I want.

But to be real, Hollow hasn't said or done anything that makes me think they are any particular alignment. It's a shrug from me. Your read on Hollow is not mine, and I'm not convinced by the reasoning of it, which is also a subjective thing. But if Hollow is town (or not), I think I should be able to figure it out.

i dont like giving this away before it gets anywhere tho. why not wait and see?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:38 am Nanook, still posting about shows and not players?

what is our experience with them because based on my limited experience i dont think that would indicate much of anything.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:52 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:38 am Nanook, still posting about shows and not players?

What do you think this means?

hi

i shouldn't answer for them but i havent interacted with you yet so i will!


if someone chooses to continue fluffing instead of getting involved people find it suspicious as fluff is something scum can hide behind instead of having to engage in the actual content of the game

that said my understanding is nook is pretty experienced and most wolves are self-aware enough to know to get somewhat involved so they don't look bad whereas town are more apathetic to it. it looks similar to my experience with nook so i think it's kinda towny, but i have no idea what his scum game is like.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:44 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:48 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:48 pm

I'm also partial to gumball

gumball is good but it's not bluey good. I do also really like Daniel Tiger (but that's like easy mode), Word Girl, and Little Einsteins.

Oh god the little Einsteins, I have nightmares

Ducktales also deserves honorable mention

pinky and the brain and animaniacs >>>

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:54 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:59 am "It was just a joke bro" isn't a convincing defense to me.

I mean I had more then just that and your case on me is based on thinking it’s not a joke when clearly it was.

what are your thoughts on alison thus far? And dyslexicon?

I mean yeah Animaniacs is great but it isn't on Disney Channel every morning

ROAD RUNNER then


even though it taught kids that no matter how hard you try, no matter how creative you are, no matter how much work you put into something you might never succeed and always continue to fail to someone that is hardly trying at all.

but it was also funny.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:22 pm Alison
DkKoba
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
Fingersplints
Gavial
Hollowkatt
Long Con
Marmot
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Staypositivefriend
tonystarkprime


this is disappointingly less than i thought.

still a good start!

i dont include scum reads on my lists, but im more than happy to clarify who those are if anyone asks. particularly i dont like gavial, hollow, or koba right now and will vote among those 3.

if anyone thinks this is too many town reads, there's also a lot of town compared to scum! i like to solve via town reads and creating a poe to find scum. for the most part my town reads are pretty consistently good so it works well for me.

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:42 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:28 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:26 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:25 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:24 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:21 am no clue what nanook's alignment is yet

i mean they are purposefully trying to obfuscate it in an extremely anti town way that hurts solving - so if they're town they're playing like a jackass with no regard for anyone else trying to solve the game

nanook is? i dont really get that impression at all, he seems fine

is this how they normally play?

i barely paid attention to them in bread mafia bc they kept voting town lol

yeah he has a pretty chill playstyle but he tryhards when it counts in my experience

i dont mind him coasting as long as he picks it up when it's necessary, and i trust that he will

the issue is when he's scum he literally has to do very little to get near end game. And every phase counts otherwise why do any of us bother at all unless it's end game

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:34 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:43 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:42 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:28 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:26 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:25 am

nanook is? i dont really get that impression at all, he seems fine

is this how they normally play?

i barely paid attention to them in bread mafia bc they kept voting town lol

yeah he has a pretty chill playstyle but he tryhards when it counts in my experience

i dont mind him coasting as long as he picks it up when it's necessary, and i trust that he will

the issue is when he's scum he literally has to do very little to get near end game. And every phase counts otherwise why do any of us bother at all unless it's end game

yeah im also rereading my last game with him - he was super active.

like unless nanook is exactly an IC i dont think they are town here. but ive been disappointed by townies before acting this way so ((((((:

again he just did this in a game i was in on mafiacafe, with the exact same comments(to be fair, he started doing more on day 2, so we'll see!)

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:37 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:04 am I want to leave my vote on dk cause it's clearly annoying him and his whole thing is mildly annoying to me

But he's probably town so

I'll move it eventually

why eventually. if you got nowhere else to be, LONG CON IS THE VOTE TO BE

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:52 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:49 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:35 pm that's a weird kill and a shitty loss of a pt.

apologies for missing eod, my shot was at 3:00 pm instead of 3:30 so i had to rush there, but i would have probably gone after rusty too.

Mafia know who the prs are

Like they chose who got to be a power role? Wtf that's madness

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:56 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:54 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:52 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:49 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:35 pm that's a weird kill and a shitty loss of a pt.

apologies for missing eod, my shot was at 3:00 pm instead of 3:30 so i had to rush there, but i would have probably gone after rusty too.

Mafia know who the prs are

Like they chose who got to be a power role? Wtf that's madness

Maybe read the setup lol

This is no Bueno

Orange: There's an early trend here wherein Invictus speaks on behalf of Nanook (or on behalf of Nanook via Long Con), usually to make low-level meta assertions about what he thinks Nanook is like. The assertions are generally valid; that is, Nanook is indeed one to be less concerned with assessing every player early in a game and doesn't care about being fluffy sometimes. In that light, this literal assessment would be innocuous as an overall read of "NAI",

Yellow: which brings me to this post. Nanook was one of Invictus's five blued-out town reads, and compared to the others players featured in that group that rationale provided previously is pretty light. It's essentially what I referenced in the previous point. So his name stands out here.

The remainder of this is generally soft material -- musing over Nanook's playstyle, halfway standing in his defense when DK was cranky, and setup chatter. None of that means much to me.

~~~

From Nanook

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:56 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:44 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:48 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:55 pm

gumball is good but it's not bluey good. I do also really like Daniel Tiger (but that's like easy mode), Word Girl, and Little Einsteins.

Oh god the little Einsteins, I have nightmares

Ducktales also deserves honorable mention

pinky and the brain and animaniacs >>>

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:54 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:59 am "It was just a joke bro" isn't a convincing defense to me.

I mean I had more then just that and your case on me is based on thinking it’s not a joke when clearly it was.

what are your thoughts on alison thus far? And dyslexicon?

I mean yeah Animaniacs is great but it isn't on Disney Channel every morning

ROAD RUNNER then


even though it taught kids that no matter how hard you try, no matter how creative you are, no matter how much work you put into something you might never succeed and always continue to fail to someone that is hardly trying at all.

but it was also funny.

Yeah in road runner i always felt bad for the coyote, dude is just out here trying to get a meal

Looney tunes in general are mostly pretty good, definitely a go to

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:09 am Invictus, dizzy, hk, spf, falcon all town


I'm going back to hibernation now, more reads in 2-4 business days

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:48 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:42 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:28 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:26 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:25 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:24 am

i mean they are purposefully trying to obfuscate it in an extremely anti town way that hurts solving - so if they're town they're playing like a jackass with no regard for anyone else trying to solve the game

nanook is? i dont really get that impression at all, he seems fine

is this how they normally play?

i barely paid attention to them in bread mafia bc they kept voting town lol

yeah he has a pretty chill playstyle but he tryhards when it counts in my experience

i dont mind him coasting as long as he picks it up when it's necessary, and i trust that he will

the issue is when he's scum he literally has to do very little to get near end game. And every phase counts otherwise why do any of us bother at all unless it's end game

In practice this doesn't usually end up being true

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:46 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:37 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:04 am I want to leave my vote on dk cause it's clearly annoying him and his whole thing is mildly annoying to me

But he's probably town so

I'll move it eventually

why eventually. if you got nowhere else to be, LONG CON IS THE VOTE TO BE

Cause its almost 3am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:37 pm I will not be back again before deadline

Tsp gav hk dk spf dizzy falcon and invictus are my town


Leaving my vote on lc as an explicit falcon save, suggest finding someone else cause killing lc d1 is pretty meh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:38 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:19 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:03 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:35 pm that's a weird kill and a shitty loss of a pt.

apologies for missing eod, my shot was at 3:00 pm instead of 3:30 so i had to rush there, but i would have probably gone after rusty too.

Wanna come back and tell us why you and your team decided on it then?

INVIC doesn’t say this after Vig shooting Finger lol.

To play devils advocate for a minute, yeah, that's exactly what a vig would say lol

There's not a lot new going on in this set of interactions. Nanook did town read Invictus. Okay. In classically Nanook style I don't know why and can only wonder -- perhaps he'll expand. I have very little to say about this stuff.

~~~

Conclusion

This is a dry interaction. From the Invictus side I have some questions. From the Nanook side I don't have much of anything. I have no reason to dissociate these two. Nanook can be Invictus's teammate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 9:35 pm Interactions of Invictus and DkKoba / Syn

From Invictus

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Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:48 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:24 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:22 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:19 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:18 pm LC imma be honest i dont think ur reads are like well founded in good faith - like why is Gavial scum here?

like i say this as I dont want to have to defend you from people eager to lim a slot that is playing poorly and want to in fact help you not play poorly here and cooperate with town and good faith hunt rather than push people who are >rand town lol

What do you mean by "good faith"? I think he could be scum. I thought so earlier, and his zaniness seems too forced.

or that could just be their personality...

Yeah, that could be. You seem to know. Do you know too much? You seem to know I'm town and that gavial's town. [VOTE: dkkoba] aubergine

Chill buddy even I know that much and I’ve read 70 percent of the thread

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:24 pm Ok, cool. [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

why did you back off so easily here LC?

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:38 pm if i have to pick between dkk and falcon im going with falcon because dkk had that towny interaction with nook(well towny frustration). dont really have any lean on falcon, they're mostly null, but my preference is still lc mostly because i felt they were around more and still decided not to participate in a meaningful way.

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:33 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:27 pm Yes. I’m just forgetful of what/who/why in regards to the hollowkatt suspicion. I think I was focused on the DkK thing when it was going on.

fair enough.

i was also on the dizzy wagon and i unvoted mostly due to their persistent tunneling of me even while facing a heavy wagon. going against the grain and sticking to it even while tied with another poster(at the time dkk, they both had 4) is usually a town look as id expect scum to go more in a self-pres mentality. they didn't even bring up dkk when they could have.

i did mention that it could be due to them being teammates and not wanting to sink one another so early on, but for now i doubt that as i think distancing would be the optimal play in that scenario but it's possible.

i think dizzy is still kinda somewhat suspect of them, but just thought long con is more in his poe? i could be wrong there.

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:46 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:24 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:23 am also idk if allison's sleep schedule has changed but i dont like that she has not posted recently at all - she did this coasting strategy when we were scum together last time - which may imply the current wagons are TvT with scum!allison

i missed this. what is the strategy

Its not a strategy moreso i saw firsthand that alison has been active in scumthread when townies were fightjng eachother when we were scum together in bread mafia. Tutuu and i actually warned her to turn off thread visibility bc she was visible online while being asked a question she wanted to dodge lmao

I also was guilty of this as scum that game bc i was happy watching town fight eachother while i got free townreads from ppl ignorant of my meta thinking i was towny.

Oh ya that makes sense as a general tell.

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:04 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:57 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:42 am i guess this is where i reveal why i townread longcon, and the simple reason is, they intiated a vote on me, and thats usually town indicative to me. i guess its not really a good reason but also i think their intentions were towny. they were a very easy mislim in my last game with them.

This reasoning doesn't hold up for me at all. And I am considering voting LC. He's not a town read in a sea of town or mild town reads.

yes this is it.

essentially town points are a thing. if youre in the thread and you do stuff that makes you towny then TOWN POINTS. obviously scum can do towny things too, but generally speaking if a bunch of people are looking towny and some people have been around and just haven't then i think it's best to remove from there as it helps with POE because eventually those towny points lead to people just being lock town and making the game easy to solve.

there is no real big case or anything, it's just the best move for POE and the read itself comes from POE.

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:23 am also idk if allison's sleep schedule has changed but i dont like that she has not posted recently at all - she did this coasting strategy when we were scum together last time - which may imply the current wagons are TvT with scum!allison

i missed this. what is the strategy

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:37 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:04 am I want to leave my vote on dk cause it's clearly annoying him and his whole thing is mildly annoying to me

But he's probably town so

I'll move it eventually

why eventually. if you got nowhere else to be, LONG CON IS THE VOTE TO BE

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:34 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:43 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:42 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:28 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:26 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:25 am

nanook is? i dont really get that impression at all, he seems fine

is this how they normally play?

i barely paid attention to them in bread mafia bc they kept voting town lol

yeah he has a pretty chill playstyle but he tryhards when it counts in my experience

i dont mind him coasting as long as he picks it up when it's necessary, and i trust that he will

the issue is when he's scum he literally has to do very little to get near end game. And every phase counts otherwise why do any of us bother at all unless it's end game

yeah im also rereading my last game with him - he was super active.

like unless nanook is exactly an IC i dont think they are town here. but ive been disappointed by townies before acting this way so ((((((:

again he just did this in a game i was in on mafiacafe, with the exact same comments(to be fair, he started doing more on day 2, so we'll see!)

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:43 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:41 am im willing to also wagon allison for info but i fear we dont have the time to get any information out of any push we make here now :/

really hating that the game started with role PMs sent out vs confirmations (unless im wrong and then pee pee poo poo)

there's 17 hours left?

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:39 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:11 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:02 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:00 am my vote is still up in the air, gavial. if you feel strongly about the current wagons being town and you have a good alternative, i will earnestly consider it

but you dont seem to be suggesting alternatives

Thoughts on long con?

i said they were town - why would they be scum here?

for the exact reasons i said. in a scenario where both you and hk are town, scum have to do very little outside of letting the wagons play out and they're guaranteed a scum flip.

outside of that, there's no reason to hard lock town reads halfway through day 1(well 60% through day 1) and discussion doesn't hurt. i just generally feel like their impact is low.

alison is another person that has gone mia since the start of the phase as well.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:32 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:21 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:10 pm Current quick takes.

Alison is town for pushing for activity.
Dizzy is town for reasonable reads and OMGUSing. Good luck surviving til Day 2 Dizzy.
I am town because my rolecard says so.

oof, i don't like this post. do you think that alison would not push to make the game more active as a wolf? would dizzy not have "reasonable reads" as a wolf? this feels like a fairly surface level analysis

I disliked the post for other, maybe self centered reasons. Those being I was more active than Alison and had overlapping thoughts as dizzy yet Marmot didn't mention me at all

does that mean you wolfread marmot?

Leaning that way yes.

Ddk's frustration with nook reads Towny with me because the game I just played with nook had 3 separate townies all get frustrated in a similar fashion to nook(including me), altho that's not enough to really change my read on him. I'd still like to see one of their scum games for cross comparison.

I don't really understand hollow's play at all and I think his accusations against me are kinda bad, but the sheer tunneling gives me town vibes. Not sure why they're so persistent on scum reading and voting me while being tied as the leading wagon, but not shifting their attention over to ddk or even really going at them reads well because they're not overly concerned, at least not yet, with self pres. Unless I guess they could both be scum, but I'd assume they'd at least distance in that case.

I continued to like SPF's posting, seem rather carefree and town to me.

Flint kinda vibed town in my read back too but nothing concrete there.

Not really sure I like long con thus far as it feels like they're just coasting by letting day play out. If both wagons are town it would be good to look back on as it would make sense for scum to just sit back and wait in that case.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:16 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:06 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:45 pmspf obvtown

pocket accepted

that was a bait post and u passed, for now.

What would a fail be? That seemed like a really basic answer.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:47 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:19 pm DK Leaning Town
Tony Leaning Town

I do not understand your reads


Can you give me a link to one of your scum games pls. Someone said this is typical of your town game so I just wanna cross compare and see if you're similar or different as scum

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:58 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:25 am where is the activity overview on this site so i can find whos talked yet

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:26 am [VOTE: long con] aubergine

Just gonna assume person who hasn't voted yet is one of them

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:26 am lets do itttt wagon up

not really sure i like this string of posts too as it was no longer RVS and there was clearly content to make reads from and go after.

I forgot to start from the opposite end with the backwards ISOs, so read the posts in this quote from the bottom to the top for the correct sequence. I'll fix that in future spoilers.

Orange: Invictus started with some rather specific shade of DK in that bottommost post - it was no longer RVS, random vote bad - easy accusation to hurl and given my interpretation of DK's posts at face value inaccurate (doesn't look like an RVS-styled vote to me). I think that's a nice start for DK.

Yellow: Invictus gave DK town points for their frustration with Nanook. To better interpret that, I went back and looked at DK's spat(s) with Nanook. DK's frustration does seem significant, so I don't get the impression Invictus stretched reality to make this read happen. In that way it would reflect a more literal recounting of game events -- Invictus may have felt he couldn't sustain that initial shade with the toxicity forming (where town reads often abound) and just conceded the read. That'd be another point for DK, though I acknowledge this is a complex notion with numerous moving parts and presumptions.

Purple: I'm using this moment to represent the broader exchange between DK and Invictus about their Long Con reads. This may say more about LC than about DK, but I'll log it anyway as a moment of some kind of relative "conflict". If they're both mafia, one guy giving soft credit to [town] LC while the other says hell naw reflects indirect distance where the louder voice prevails (the one that is anti-LC). That's at least plausible, though I wouldn't say this is indicative of a team relationship.

Cyan: I'm interpreting this post to imply that DK and falcon were both viable wagons at this point? Someone please tell me if not. I see DK finished Day 1 with only one vote on them. Anyway, log this as a standard issue I'll chop that person instead of this person dichotomy. Whatever the wifom, it's compatible for teammates.

~~~

From DkKoba and Syn

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DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:59 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:22 pm Alison
DkKoba
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
Fingersplints
Gavial
Hollowkatt
Long Con
Marmot
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Staypositivefriend
tonystarkprime


this is disappointingly less than i thought.

still a good start!

i dont include scum reads on my lists, but im more than happy to clarify who those are if anyone asks. particularly i dont like gavial, hollow, or koba right now and will vote among those 3.

if anyone thinks this is too many town reads, there's also a lot of town compared to scum! i like to solve via town reads and creating a poe to find scum. for the most part my town reads are pretty consistently good so it works well for me.

Vote me then. Lets see it.

Wagon me.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:43 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:42 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:28 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:26 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:25 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:24 am

i mean they are purposefully trying to obfuscate it in an extremely anti town way that hurts solving - so if they're town they're playing like a jackass with no regard for anyone else trying to solve the game

nanook is? i dont really get that impression at all, he seems fine

is this how they normally play?

i barely paid attention to them in bread mafia bc they kept voting town lol

yeah he has a pretty chill playstyle but he tryhards when it counts in my experience

i dont mind him coasting as long as he picks it up when it's necessary, and i trust that he will

the issue is when he's scum he literally has to do very little to get near end game. And every phase counts otherwise why do any of us bother at all unless it's end game

yeah im also rereading my last game with him - he was super active.

like unless nanook is exactly an IC i dont think they are town here. but ive been disappointed by townies before acting this way so ((((((:

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:45 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:43 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:41 am im willing to also wagon allison for info but i fear we dont have the time to get any information out of any push we make here now :/

really hating that the game started with role PMs sent out vs confirmations (unless im wrong and then pee pee poo poo)

there's 17 hours left?

personally i got to sleep soon and then i have to work until ~2 hours before deadline so there wont be any alignment telling pushes during that time for me. i expect it may be similar for others but idk maybe the aussies will figure something out!

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:16 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:22 pm I'm not sure I fully understand the falcon wagon. Is it Poe or did they do something?

I'll iso when I'm on a laptop

I thought their vote onto my wagon was an opportunistic scum vote. Thats my reasoning, and their rxn to being prodded abt it wasnt good either.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:24 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:23 am also idk if allison's sleep schedule has changed but i dont like that she has not posted recently at all - she did this coasting strategy when we were scum together last time - which may imply the current wagons are TvT with scum!allison

i missed this. what is the strategy

Its not a strategy moreso i saw firsthand that alison has been active in scumthread when townies were fightjng eachother when we were scum together in bread mafia. Tutuu and i actually warned her to turn off thread visibility bc she was visible online while being asked a question she wanted to dodge lmao

I also was guilty of this as scum that game bc i was happy watching town fight eachother while i got free townreads from ppl ignorant of my meta thinking i was towny.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:27 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:04 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:57 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:42 am i guess this is where i reveal why i townread longcon, and the simple reason is, they intiated a vote on me, and thats usually town indicative to me. i guess its not really a good reason but also i think their intentions were towny. they were a very easy mislim in my last game with them.

This reasoning doesn't hold up for me at all. And I am considering voting LC. He's not a town read in a sea of town or mild town reads.

yes this is it.

essentially town points are a thing. if youre in the thread and you do stuff that makes you towny then TOWN POINTS. obviously scum can do towny things too, but generally speaking if a bunch of people are looking towny and some people have been around and just haven't then i think it's best to remove from there as it helps with POE because eventually those towny points lead to people just being lock town and making the game easy to solve.

there is no real big case or anything, it's just the best move for POE and the read itself comes from POE.

Some players just have playstyles that are difficuly to get "town points" with, i.e. people who are LHF in games .

Its best to have a more critical eye and view intentions. I feel like i have a good grasp when ppl are like just scummy looking but actually town. I have made blunders but im well above rand with my reads regarding this so id like to at least be humored a proper case on a LHF slot rather than "scummy lol hasnt done anything "

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:52 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:43 pm Can someone tell me about Alison, what the expected norm is?

No clue but i tend to give benefit of the doubt to afks for at least 1 day phase bc IRL is a legit thing. I think there is alignment indicative stuff judging by the wolf game i played as partners with her that there was tactical afk which is a concern i mentioned earlier. If she wants to dialogue and perhaps give some direction where she thinks scum is that would be helpful in better discerning her alignment.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:42 pm based on PoE, I think Alison, Falcon, and one of Invictus/Glavial/Spf/nanook are scum here

if i were to materialize the game universe as i see it with the people i have marked as town thus far

There's some bravado in that first taunt. I'll be conservative and say it could be teammate stuff even if there's no reason it must be. The rest of this is pretty soft dialogue wherein the two kind of play off of one another developing reads on various players, until DK drops Invictus into their POE pool. Within DK's posts alone, there's not much of any progression or read given on Invictus. At face value that's not ideal.

I looks like Syn joined the game after Invictus was outed, so I will move on from his posts for this purpose.

~~~

Conclusion

I had a good amount to say about this interaction from Invictus's side and very little to say about it from DK's side. The material that most speaks to me comes in the former half of the analysis, and it's generally to DK's credit. I'd be more comfortable if DK themself had done something with Invictus in this game. In that way it's a mixed bag, but gun to my head they're not teammates.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:41 pm For anyone who is very comfortable with the JJJ-Marmot team... why not Tony?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:34 pm Interactions of Invictus and TonyStarkPrime

From Invictus

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Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:22 pm Alison
DkKoba
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
Fingersplints
Gavial
Hollowkatt
Long Con
Marmot
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Staypositivefriend
tonystarkprime


this is disappointingly less than i thought.

still a good start!

i dont include scum reads on my lists, but im more than happy to clarify who those are if anyone asks. particularly i dont like gavial, hollow, or koba right now and will vote among those 3.

if anyone thinks this is too many town reads, there's also a lot of town compared to scum! i like to solve via town reads and creating a poe to find scum. for the most part my town reads are pretty consistently good so it works well for me.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:35 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:23 pm Could you explain finger

is this at me?

if so,

finger sees something she might not like from another player. she doesn't immediately pounce on it and instead questions to see where the person that finger is questioning goes with their answer. the fact she gave them room to operate and didn't immediately just go at them for the "trying to go after someone that looks weak and vulnerable to push" is what gives me town vibes. scum tend to lock in fast and early because they're just faking their read, she's actually trying to establish a read.

this is kinda wordy, but it's her method of developing the read i liked essentially. it's a towny approach.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:39 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:24 pm Also technically salad but it’s fine in context

salad? like word salad?

im over-explaining everything because it's my first game and more often than not when you come into a new place while experienced you can look off to others youre unfamiliar with if you're just doing stuff and no one understands what you're doing.

what do you think of the 3 people i found scummy/out of the three who would you be most comfortable voting?

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:47 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:19 pm DK Leaning Town
Tony Leaning Town

I do not understand your reads


Can you give me a link to one of your scum games pls. Someone said this is typical of your town game so I just wanna cross compare and see if you're similar or different as scum

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:13 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:56 pm @MacDougall iso links in original please

click on the post count and then you can see everyone's # of posts as well as click on them to see the posts.

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:37 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:58 pm i'd way rather chop lc then falcon for secret reasons

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:59 pm but lc is town

why would you want to chop town?

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:48 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:24 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:22 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:19 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:18 pm LC imma be honest i dont think ur reads are like well founded in good faith - like why is Gavial scum here?

like i say this as I dont want to have to defend you from people eager to lim a slot that is playing poorly and want to in fact help you not play poorly here and cooperate with town and good faith hunt rather than push people who are >rand town lol

What do you mean by "good faith"? I think he could be scum. I thought so earlier, and his zaniness seems too forced.

or that could just be their personality...

Yeah, that could be. You seem to know. Do you know too much? You seem to know I'm town and that gavial's town. [VOTE: dkkoba] aubergine

Chill buddy even I know that much and I’ve read 70 percent of the thread

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:24 pm Ok, cool. [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

why did you back off so easily here LC?

From Invictus's side this interaction is pretty boring. There's nothing here that stands out to me as indicative of anything either way; it's all soft and directionless. If I want to stretch hard I might suggest the "why would you want to chop town?" is an easy bit of shade to hurl when you are looking for a place to do so (in this context a civilian Tony). I have little confidence in that view.

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:04 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:09 am Invictus, dizzy, hk, spf, falcon all town


I'm going back to hibernation now, more reads in 2-4 business days

Read on dizzy and HK seems question mark I agree on the others

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:28 pm I’m gonna give you a GTH list actually finger

Alison W
DkKoba T
Dyslexicon W
falcon45ca T
Fingersplints T
Gavial T
Hollowkatt T
Invictius T
Long Con T
Marmot W
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME T
Staypositivefriend W
tonystarkprime T

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:30 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:37 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:58 pm i'd way rather chop lc then falcon for secret reasons

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:59 pm but lc is town

why would you want to chop town?

Falcon was also town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:34 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:49 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:35 pm that's a weird kill and a shitty loss of a pt.

apologies for missing eod, my shot was at 3:00 pm instead of 3:30 so i had to rush there, but i would have probably gone after rusty too.

Mafia know who the prs are

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:52 pm No more setup slips will be accepted from here on out we've reached our quota

incredible

-actually good odds I’m the dumb one here but-

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:30 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:16 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:03 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:35 pm that's a weird kill and a shitty loss of a pt.

apologies for missing eod, my shot was at 3:00 pm instead of 3:30 so i had to rush there, but i would have probably gone after rusty too.

Wanna come back and tell us why you and your team decided on it then?

Because I shot there too. I'm the vig.

Incredible

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:32 pm wait hang on that’s not possible because

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:32 pm Oh too late

Tony seemed to have Invictus as a town read up to his being outed. That's not necessarily a problem on its own power, though I have less understanding of what led to that viewpoint than I would like to have. Tony doesn't seem to have detailed that as far as I can tell. We're left to take it or leave it at face value. On balance log it as some degree of support for the mafioso.

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Conclusion

This interaction is a sleepy one. While there's not a shortage of posts, there's a shortage of interest with respect to any alignment assessment. This makes me want to take naps. Tony can be Invictus's teammate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:16 pm I'm returning to my analyses, and I'm reversing the alphabet. That burned me when I analyzed Beelzebub since both mafia were at the end of the alphabet and I never got to them (or it would have if I'd been allowed to make a post).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 11:35 pm Let's try it this way:

Those who suspect me to whatever degree, could you please state what you believe to be Alison's worst crime(s)? I may or may not bother answering to said crimes, but it would still be useful to me to know what brought our dear player roster to this scenario. Thanks.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 11:24 pm I'm already locked into the JJJ-Marmot team, just so you know. I appreciate the effort though, triple-J!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:33 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:28 pm JJJ never makes it to F6/F5.

I understand that you suspect my slot and that's fine. I really would appreciate your feedback on my analyses though, especially those about your suspects -- you're in a uniquely strong position and I value that perspective. If you're going to suspect me then so be it, but it'd be super to get your takes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:33 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:28 pm JJJ never makes it to F6/F5.

I understand that you suspect my slot and that's fine. I really would appreciate your feedback on my analyses though, especially those about your suspects -- you're in a uniquely strong position and I value that perspective. If you're going to suspect me then so be it, but it'd be super to get your takes.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:27 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:24 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:22 pm I think it's pretty off-base. I've offered reasons why I think all of my townreads are town. Some of them might be similar to or agreements with what's been said already.

Also, there's no formula out there that says you have to contribute x amount of content to have y amount of townreads.

What do you think of SPF?

I'm of the current mindset that you and SPF are performing a good cop/bad cop operation as the final two mafia. I'm not tied to this idea, but it's the feeling I get right now.

That's quite a specific assertion. What about the present dialogue, or about whatever, makes you believe we're doing that?

SPF made an accusation that is inaccurate, while you're attempting to engage in dialogue with.

You're also both in my POE

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:24 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:22 pm I think it's pretty off-base. I've offered reasons why I think all of my townreads are town. Some of them might be similar to or agreements with what's been said already.

Also, there's no formula out there that says you have to contribute x amount of content to have y amount of townreads.

What do you think of SPF?

I'm of the current mindset that you and SPF are performing a good cop/bad cop operation as the final two mafia. I'm not tied to this idea, but it's the feeling I get right now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 9:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 9:23 pm what do your reads look like, marmot?

Town

DkKoba / Syn
Dyslexicon
Gavial
hollowkatt
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime


Scum

Invictus


POE

Alison / JaggedJimmyJay
falcon45ca
NANOOK
staypositivefriend

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 9:22 pm Let us engage in this wonderful scum theater Gav's accused us of being a part of.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 8:57 pm welcome, jagged! looking forward to seeing your thoughts on the spew

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 8:45 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 8:41 pm This is scum theatre, calling it now.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 8:41 pm JJJ, if you don’t kill me I’ll track you tonight.

Gavial my boy, what are we gonna do with you?

None of that is applicable to me; I will trust you to use your action as you see fit. I would be a poor choice.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:50 am I do have a legitimately reachy read which I haven't outed yet.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 8:27 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 8:15 pm JJJ are you scum this game?

No. Given how seldom I play and this unending streak I may not be mafia again until 2024.

r u scum Marmot