The Syndicate

I'm prob keeping my vote where I think there's wolf.

Idk how convinced I am on Neon being wolf though.

Please don't flashwagon anymore

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:55 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:53 pm if creature is town then it will be rather embarrassing but i think his play over the last 24 hours can be most accurately described as "anti-spew" and i do not think that him getting emotional and throwing a fit is alignment indicative for him

I think you're right but I am mostly struggling with the question "if Creature is mafia, where are his partners" and if the answer is "bussed him hours ago" I question why Creature is even in here posting lol.

It is me, I have bussed Creature for all the cred in the world. Nomnomnomnomn I love cred.

i think that's reasonable but i had the exact same thought about hellsbells, a wolf in similar position as creature, in our last game and they ended up being mafia anyway so shrug

Hells was genuinely antispew though. They only posted a half-assed wolfteam solve and avoided citing any of their townreads and other concerns.

Alison might still be wolf and I'm prob embarrassing myself so idk anymore.

rn I'm at kill Neon and SPF. Reevaluate Lily.

Maybe I'm getting bonked by NANOOK and/or Seanzie. I've paid the least attention to these two slots.

I won't oppose pushes on Boq. I just don't have a good reason to push him other than paranoia.

I couldn't even dine right because I spent all the time answering questions and trying to give legacy reads.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:49 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:43 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:40 pm Also don't ever dare to call me town in antispew after I flip. I've been putting all my thoughts in-thread. It's just really hard to pick wolves apart from wolfsiding town.

My biggest concern with you is that everything you've said has just been surface level and you've been shifting around from world to world to world. You haven't stopped to deeply analyse any one particular player really. You'll call someone town, then tinfoil they're mafia with no progression in between. It's made it near impossible as a town to view you as anything other than a wolf in antispew.

So if you are town I'd like it if you took the last few minutes to at least pause and leave a coherent legacy.

I think this is one of the games I've been the most explainy tbh. You know I constantly get paranoid as town and reevaluate everyone.

rn I'd say arogame123 and Lucy prob deserve winning if they're wolves. I would only reevaluate them in F3 or F5.

I feel like this is usual town!Porscha. I'm also trusting you're telling the truth Porscha is easy to catch as wolf.

Rondo I feel is town but I recognize my reasons aren't very strong.

I guess Alison/Boquise/Lilypetal/MacDougall/NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME/Neon/Seanzie/staypositivefriend should contain all wolves.

why do you keep not answering my question?

Because I can't keep track of all thousand questions I'm being asked.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:27 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:20 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:15 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:53 pm i am sitting here, eating chips, drinking a cold one, and musing about how mac, alison and spf dances around each other but seemingly ends up town reading each other
it is kinda cute tbh

this is very scummy

it's an inaccurate description of the game that seems to show a lack of understanding of the dynamics between us three but idk if it's wolf indicative

considering the timing of it, it feels like the kind of scattery shit on the towncore post a wolf says when teammates are floundering...

Boquise was shielding Creature until I told him Creature was outed mafia just before this and Boquise went from pushing a hard townread on Creature for meta reasons to just dropping it citing your walk back as a reason. I've never taken Boquise for one to just give up on a read he strongly believes in for any reason much less because Mac and SPF (who apparently he suspects enough to shade) tell him to.

idk you can do whatever. I guess you're getting the benefit of doubt for now. Still if you're alive D4 or D5 and hasn't got any pelt you're likely wolf.

You know you can actually easily distinguish between my wolfplay and townplay right? I've snowed a strong town exactly once in the past 4 years and it took an otherworldly effort. Otherwise I just kinda look obvious and die. Endlessly tinfoiling me if you're town doesn't help me read you man. It's just like Falcon. Like I take the hit to the ego for being wrong cuz you both die before me but you're playing terribly by treating town me this way if you are town. Remedy this if you are for next time please.

I guess this is the towniest thing I've seen from Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:43 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:40 pm Also don't ever dare to call me town in antispew after I flip. I've been putting all my thoughts in-thread. It's just really hard to pick wolves apart from wolfsiding town.

My biggest concern with you is that everything you've said has just been surface level and you've been shifting around from world to world to world. You haven't stopped to deeply analyse any one particular player really. You'll call someone town, then tinfoil they're mafia with no progression in between. It's made it near impossible as a town to view you as anything other than a wolf in antispew.

So if you are town I'd like it if you took the last few minutes to at least pause and leave a coherent legacy.

I think this is one of the games I've been the most explainy tbh. You know I constantly get paranoid as town and reevaluate everyone.

rn I'd say arogame123 and Lucy prob deserve winning if they're wolves. I would only reevaluate them in F3 or F5.

I feel like this is usual town!Porscha. I'm also trusting you're telling the truth Porscha is easy to catch as wolf.

Rondo I feel is town but I recognize my reasons aren't very strong.

I guess Alison/Boquise/Lilypetal/MacDougall/NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME/Neon/Seanzie/staypositivefriend should contain all wolves.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:41 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:40 pm Also don't ever dare to call me town in antispew after I flip. I've been putting all my thoughts in-thread. It's just really hard to pick wolves apart from wolfsiding town.

Ok if you are town, who are the wolves on your wagon? Have you changed your mind that I am not the wolf running you up?

I don't really think you are a wolf here, but I confess I'm not willing to bet the game on you being town.

Also don't ever dare to call me town in antispew after I flip. I've been putting all my thoughts in-thread. It's just really hard to pick wolves apart from wolfsiding town.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:38 pm 100% agree with lucy when he flips w i think we should take everything said today as antispew garbage

I am flipping town though.

Neon still a wolf so idc.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:26 pm @staypositivefriend @Boquise @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I don't really recall having seen Creature actually getting this panicked when run up. Is this more indicative of his town or mafia reaction to being wagoned?

I guess I do it as either alignment, but there's an enormous difference that I'll prob let you all figure out.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:21 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:17 pm What's even the fucking point? You all will just lynch Alison D3 anyway. If she flips town we're then truly screwed.

I don't really see there being all that much of a chance that Alison can be town in worlds where you are town. The only thing Alison has done in this game that has not pinged me has been push you lol. If the only thing Alison has done in this game has felt townie was kill a town, she's probably just not one. And if you and Alison flip town, then we are somewhat obligated to sheep Alison on Porscha before doing much of anything else.

Like the worst case scenario for town is that all three of Creature, Alison and Porscha are town. If we do get to that stage of the game, there will be at least one player, if not two, that are sitting there in the gamestate, a wolf or wolves surrounded by sitting ducks. It's just on the ducks to gain sentience and recognise what they're looking at.

I think Porscha is town now. This is why I'm hoping Alison flips wolf. I guess we're pretty screwed otherwise.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:18 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:15 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:36 pm Lilypetal is another player I'm kind of questioning too. This is roughly my progression on her this game:

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:38 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:44 pm hello i thought this started tomorrow oops

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:44 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:02 pmSILVERKEITH GOD

so true

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:45 pm i rolled town again luckily so i can have a relaxing stress free mafia experience

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:48 pm mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:51 pmhewwo aro!

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:53 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:51 pm I'm here to meme.

wanna be 4th and 5th wolves together?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:53 pm what is multi tabbing

Lilypetal had the worst impression for me so far. Like staypositivefriend pointed out these posts all feel like trying to blend in and the hype behind these posts feel fake a lot like I ended up faking hype in the last mash by posting a lot of gifs.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:43 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:45 pm aww creatue beat me to it lol

Initiative

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:40 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:37 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:48 pm mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

this post in particular felt a bit out of place and like the type of post i would make as a nervous wolf who felt pressured to join in on the meme posting but idk if i actually believe this

i've been making posts like this every game sadly

Also yeah this post sucks ass

It feels like typical wolf response for a push they deem wrong reasons

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:12 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:09 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:08 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:44 pm

iirc i've only played vs w!creature and this creature is going about day 1 completely differently and seems to be like trying? so i just easily v read that

lucy's whole thing in every game I've played with her is that she doesnt make reads day 1 for some reason but it seems like she's dropping that and playing properly and I think you start doing that in a V game because it would only be a boon for wolfing

spf and aro just have good vibes that remind me of them towning, it's not like a proper read just like a very very slight lean

i'd say rn i'm confident in Creature/Lucy Town

aro/spf/mac TL

this post actives my fight or flight instincts

activates*

i think it's because: i've perceived lucy in the past as someone who is usually timid/reluctant about giving confident reads, especially early in the game, and also i find the gamestate right now kind of inscrutable and am finding it difficult to get many reads that i feel good about, and lucy forming so many reads effortlessly for shifty reasons makes me worry she's playing from a position of TMI and doesn't actually need to scumhunt

idk if Lilypetal having that many reads means much for her alignment. My main issue with her is that her posts feel forced and unnatural.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:00 am I still can see Lilypetal being wolf. They felt pretty stiffy/frozen/awkward/scared-at-posting whenever I saw them posting. Does anyone townread Lilypetal here?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:23 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:07 am yeah like tbh porscha is probably a wolf here i don't think her sidestepping my @'s for reads/talking to me are like super AI but her general play is incredibly stilted and I think she may just be a wolf here. Gonna park my vote there until she does something. Sorry porscha

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Why are you so apologetic here?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:29 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:30 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:16 am Mac only has 7 posts left. Who will defend me from all the meanie butts when you are gone Mac.

I'll defend you neon. all you had to say was ur doing a different playstyle lol and it makes sense

it just came off like u didnt care but i will pay more attention and I'm sorry for slightly doubting you

This feels pockety.

I wonder if I'm confbiasing Lilypetal wolf because of her playstyle because posts like this feel a lot performative.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:40 pm This is the most towny I have seen Lilypetal be this game regardless of Porscha's alignment.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:35 pm Now that Alison wagon is something: a bunch of players I would vote + Lilypetal.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:23 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:59 pm [VOTE: porscha] aubergine

I feel like wolf!Lilypetal would be aware switching votes at EOD would be pretty outing for her which makes me believe she would never do this as wolf considering her position was good at the time of this vote. I think this most derives from a town who panicked at falcon45ca leaving a towny post when it was already too late.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:37 pm Actually Neon's switch looks kinda weird considering before Lilypetal's switch to Porscha the wagons were 8-6 and Neon's switch would put it to 7-7.

Lilypetal's switch to a vanity wagon is so outrageously bad I doubt it ever comes from wolf.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:48 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:44 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:37 pm Actually Neon's switch looks kinda weird considering before Lilypetal's switch to Porscha the wagons were 8-6 and Neon's switch would put it to 7-7.

Lilypetal's switch to a vanity wagon is so outrageously bad I doubt it ever comes from wolf.

No?

TWTBW isn't a thing. Lilypetal's switch seemed to have been motivated more by a desire to avoid being on a town wagon than a genuine belief that it would improve the gamestate or lead to a better EOD flip.

Switching to a vanity wagon and risking a tie which is pretty antitown is objectively worse than staying oj a mislynch wagon. I just can't make it wolf!Lilypetal, who was like pretty safe at the end of the day, would suddenly make that vote switch that is objectively antitown and potentially outing for her, unless she had a stroke or something.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:32 pm We should prob focus on building a good towncore and narrow down the POE a little. I feel like we're too over the place.

My firm townreads last night were arogame123, Lilypetal, lucy and Neon.

I'm asking you all what do you make out of Lilypetal's and Neon's wagon movements yesterday which pretty much risked a nolynch. I thought Lilypetal switching to a vanity wagon was TWTBW and also I feel like she panicked when falcon45ca posted like a dying town EOD. Neon is roughly the same but I think she comes off as more robotic to me.

arogame123 really had some pretty solvy posts at some points. I only wonder if he is deeping here.

lucy I townread mostly for repeatedly posting the VC at yesterday's EOD. It just felt like something lucy wouldn't bother doing as wolf.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:05 pm Lilypetal's play here feels bizarre from a wolf perspective. Though sometimes I still get bothered that I'm noy used to Lilypetal playing like this. I wonder if it's Syndicate's behavior altering elixir in action.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:13 pm If I am lynched always kill Alison/Mac/SPF roughly this order. There should have 1-2 wolves here. If they're all town we deserve to lose because that would mean the strong player trinity all misplayed hard.

I guess I still read Lilypetal and Lucy as misplaying town. Lilypetal brings me some concern because I kinda didn't like her entrance and I'm seeing some things uncharacteristic to what I'm used of town!her but meh.

Which do you find more compelling? Her being town or her being wolf?

Holy shit no one ever gave a fuck when I posted this.

What do you mean by this? I just looked through these posts and I can see that you had Lily in your firm towncore alongside Neon at one point, and now you're just randomly floating them as a possible deepwolf pairing?

I'm asking if my earlier concerns about Lilypetal is valid. I kinda started townreading Lilypetal because she started doing things I deemed too wtf to come from wolf (like switching her vote EOD to a vanity wagon).

I don't know which is more valid: my earlier concerns about Lilypetal or my SOD2 180 on her for being TWTBW.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:16 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:03 pm I'm still paranoid of Lilypetal. She feels like she could be coasting wolf alongside Neon.

You think a mafia team of Lily/Neon has snowed SPF, Mac, Alison, Creature, Nanook, Boq, Seanzie, Arogame etc. etc.?

Not SPF. I think SPF is wolf with them. Although I'm not exactly sure on any of them being wolf, it's just they're the most coasting players here.

Alison is tunneled.

Nanook is doing jackshit.

Idk what Seanzie is doing.

Arogame is fine but he's prob just sheeping the consensus.

Then there's you. I don't oppose your push on Boq ftr. I feel like you may have better reasons to push him than I do. I just hate feeling bad for pushing Boq because it derives mostly from paranoia than a concree case.

What's even the fucking point? You all will just lynch Alison D3 anyway. If she flips town we're then truly screwed.

And then after I flip town you all will just say I haven't solved and haven't left any legacy despite posting a lot of them.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:36 pm Lilypetal is another player I'm kind of questioning too. This is roughly my progression on her this game:

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:38 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:44 pm hello i thought this started tomorrow oops

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:44 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:02 pmSILVERKEITH GOD

so true

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:45 pm i rolled town again luckily so i can have a relaxing stress free mafia experience

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:48 pm mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:51 pmhewwo aro!

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:53 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:51 pm I'm here to meme.

wanna be 4th and 5th wolves together?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:53 pm what is multi tabbing

Lilypetal had the worst impression for me so far. Like staypositivefriend pointed out these posts all feel like trying to blend in and the hype behind these posts feel fake a lot like I ended up faking hype in the last mash by posting a lot of gifs.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:43 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:45 pm aww creatue beat me to it lol

Initiative

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:40 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:37 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:48 pm mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

this post in particular felt a bit out of place and like the type of post i would make as a nervous wolf who felt pressured to join in on the meme posting but idk if i actually believe this

i've been making posts like this every game sadly

Also yeah this post sucks ass

It feels like typical wolf response for a push they deem wrong reasons

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:12 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:09 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:08 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:44 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:41 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:13 pm seems like the first v creature i have ever seen

lucy v i think and just taking a diff approach at the game

i liked spf/aro

still think mac is v from rvs alone but we'll have to see lmao

Why do you think those folks are v (aside from Mac since you have already said why)

iirc i've only played vs w!creature and this creature is going about day 1 completely differently and seems to be like trying? so i just easily v read that

lucy's whole thing in every game I've played with her is that she doesnt make reads day 1 for some reason but it seems like she's dropping that and playing properly and I think you start doing that in a V game because it would only be a boon for wolfing

spf and aro just have good vibes that remind me of them towning, it's not like a proper read just like a very very slight lean

i'd say rn i'm confident in Creature/Lucy Town

aro/spf/mac TL

this post actives my fight or flight instincts

activates*

i think it's because: i've perceived lucy in the past as someone who is usually timid/reluctant about giving confident reads, especially early in the game, and also i find the gamestate right now kind of inscrutable and am finding it difficult to get many reads that i feel good about, and lucy forming so many reads effortlessly for shifty reasons makes me worry she's playing from a position of TMI and doesn't actually need to scumhunt

idk if Lilypetal having that many reads means much for her alignment. My main issue with her is that her posts feel forced and unnatural.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:00 am I still can see Lilypetal being wolf. They felt pretty stiffy/frozen/awkward/scared-at-posting whenever I saw them posting. Does anyone townread Lilypetal here?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:23 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:07 am yeah like tbh porscha is probably a wolf here i don't think her sidestepping my @'s for reads/talking to me are like super AI but her general play is incredibly stilted and I think she may just be a wolf here. Gonna park my vote there until she does something. Sorry porscha

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Why are you so apologetic here?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:29 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:30 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:16 am Mac only has 7 posts left. Who will defend me from all the meanie butts when you are gone Mac.

I'll defend you neon. all you had to say was ur doing a different playstyle lol and it makes sense

it just came off like u didnt care but i will pay more attention and I'm sorry for slightly doubting you

This feels pockety.

I wonder if I'm confbiasing Lilypetal wolf because of her playstyle because posts like this feel a lot performative.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:40 pm This is the most towny I have seen Lilypetal be this game regardless of Porscha's alignment.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:35 pm Now that Alison wagon is something: a bunch of players I would vote + Lilypetal.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:23 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:59 pm [VOTE: porscha] aubergine

I feel like wolf!Lilypetal would be aware switching votes at EOD would be pretty outing for her which makes me believe she would never do this as wolf considering her position was good at the time of this vote. I think this most derives from a town who panicked at falcon45ca leaving a towny post when it was already too late.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:37 pm Actually Neon's switch looks kinda weird considering before Lilypetal's switch to Porscha the wagons were 8-6 and Neon's switch would put it to 7-7.

Lilypetal's switch to a vanity wagon is so outrageously bad I doubt it ever comes from wolf.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:48 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:44 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:37 pm Actually Neon's switch looks kinda weird considering before Lilypetal's switch to Porscha the wagons were 8-6 and Neon's switch would put it to 7-7.

Lilypetal's switch to a vanity wagon is so outrageously bad I doubt it ever comes from wolf.

No?

TWTBW isn't a thing. Lilypetal's switch seemed to have been motivated more by a desire to avoid being on a town wagon than a genuine belief that it would improve the gamestate or lead to a better EOD flip.

Switching to a vanity wagon and risking a tie which is pretty antitown is objectively worse than staying oj a mislynch wagon. I just can't make it wolf!Lilypetal, who was like pretty safe at the end of the day, would suddenly make that vote switch that is objectively antitown and potentially outing for her, unless she had a stroke or something.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:32 pm We should prob focus on building a good towncore and narrow down the POE a little. I feel like we're too over the place.

My firm townreads last night were arogame123, Lilypetal, lucy and Neon.

I'm asking you all what do you make out of Lilypetal's and Neon's wagon movements yesterday which pretty much risked a nolynch. I thought Lilypetal switching to a vanity wagon was TWTBW and also I feel like she panicked when falcon45ca posted like a dying town EOD. Neon is roughly the same but I think she comes off as more robotic to me.

arogame123 really had some pretty solvy posts at some points. I only wonder if he is deeping here.

lucy I townread mostly for repeatedly posting the VC at yesterday's EOD. It just felt like something lucy wouldn't bother doing as wolf.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:05 pm Lilypetal's play here feels bizarre from a wolf perspective. Though sometimes I still get bothered that I'm noy used to Lilypetal playing like this. I wonder if it's Syndicate's behavior altering elixir in action.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:13 pm If I am lynched always kill Alison/Mac/SPF roughly this order. There should have 1-2 wolves here. If they're all town we deserve to lose because that would mean the strong player trinity all misplayed hard.

I guess I still read Lilypetal and Lucy as misplaying town. Lilypetal brings me some concern because I kinda didn't like her entrance and I'm seeing some things uncharacteristic to what I'm used of town!her but meh.

Which do you find more compelling? Her being town or her being wolf?

Holy shit no one ever gave a fuck when I posted this.

Jesus Christ to think I am antispew while I cite almost every single living player and why I'm reading them that way.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:07 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:03 pm I'm still paranoid of Lilypetal. She feels like she could be coasting wolf alongside Neon.

You have 45 minutes to put a case together. That is something I have noted catching up. You have put 0 proper cases together and just keep posting small replies. Knowing you are on the chopping block and town you would think you are going to try and help town with a good legacy. You havent really dug in and tried to find the real wolf. It feels Anti-Spew garbage thoughts just thrown out from the top of your head "X could be Y" "But you did the same thing why arent you a wolf?" "Do you town read X? Why cant they be wolf?" Where is any attempt to save your own life?

Am I the only one seeing this?

Spoiler: show

If creature is villager I am going to look so bad

You clearly haven't read any of my long posts then and never will no matter how many I post so it doesn't matter.

I'm still paranoid of Lilypetal. She feels like she could be coasting wolf alongside Neon.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:00 pm You think Porscha can be a wolf?

Oh nvm I didn't read your post right.

You think Porscha can be a wolf?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:57 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:46 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:36 pm i wonder if the solve is something like creature/neon/boq and im just bad at the game

What is your standout POE factoring out persuasion by others?

creature/seanzie/nanook/neon/rondo

this is so lazy, what are your reasons?

Your wolfteam is Alison + SPF + me so lol

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:51 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:20 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:22 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:20 am Is slamming Creature over Alison ever a good play? I feel like I really want to go him into Alison but I know I will get a lot of pushback so I hesitate to even bring it up. I just REALLY dont like creature right now

mostly asking if it has the same issue of Porcha into Alison

I guess I'm okay with either despite me TR'ing creature, everyone else thinks he is outed. My biggest concern on the subject is that if we have to think of alison vs creature and alison vs porscha, the 1 constant is alison. For this reason and my shameful tr on creature, I prefer alison today

This is a good post. Creature V Alison and Alison V Porcha means we should be resolving Alison either way. As much as I want creature. Mac does that Math add up? Anyone else feel free to chime in

Alison flipping wolf clears me which is pretty good.

Alison flipping town means I'm always getting lynched tomorrow and I'll have to endure another day of "creature is outed wolf because he voted neon" bullshit which is pretty bad.

So I dunno.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:45 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:41 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:39 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:35 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:34 pm creature, favorite balkan country?

I dunno. Is Kosovo a balkan country? I always found its name funny.

you recognize Kosovo as a country?
1984

Well I definitely remember it being present in my class' school map. I used to find it funny because its name is almost pronounced as "with the eggs" in my native language.

you need re-education

lmao just realized my country doesn't recognize Kosovo as an independent country. Also my country's stance got great company /s.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:42 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:39 pm Oh shit I just called Boq wolf again. Guess I'm the mean guy again.

I do not like this post. It comes off more as salty wolf rage than anything else

Then you don't know shit about how I play

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:32 pm i feel like creature is trying very hard to spew alison as his wolf partner and make her look bad once he flips W but that's just an intuition read. the way that he's grandstanding about alison Definitely Being Town and defending her (while still leaving the window open for her to be eliminated) looks like a wolf that wants her to loo bad once he flips

See I dont like YOU making this post when I am thinking SPF/Creature/Alison could be a team that Mac just doesnt see and is hard shielding you. Its just WIFOM on top of Creatures Anti spew attempts

Alison + SPF + me wolfteam

That's a wolfteam that I would call the "Suicide Squad"

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:39 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:35 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:34 pm creature, favorite balkan country?

I dunno. Is Kosovo a balkan country? I always found its name funny.

you recognize Kosovo as a country?
1984

Well I definitely remember it being present in my class' school map. I used to find it funny because its name is almost pronounced as "with the eggs" in my native language.

Oh shit I just called Boq wolf again. Guess I'm the mean guy again.

I think Porscha should be pretty townie now? You all kept saying she had volume tell and was very obvious as wolf and I now think she's been fairly towny so she must be clear?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:36 pm i wonder if the solve is something like creature/neon/boq and im just bad at the game

I could see Neon and Boq being wolves. You might be 2/3 here.

atp if you all decide to not lynch Alison (or me) today or tomorrow you better have her (or me) as clear until very later.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:34 pm creature, favorite balkan country?

I dunno. Is Kosovo a balkan country? I always found its name funny.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:32 pm i feel like creature is trying very hard to spew alison as his wolf partner and make her look bad once he flips W but that's just an intuition read. the way that he's grandstanding about alison Definitely Being Town and defending her (while still leaving the window open for her to be eliminated) looks like a wolf that wants her to loo bad once he flips

It's because of posts like this that makes solving as everyone's top suspect a crapshot.

Alright you all do whatever you want with Boquise. Whenever I push him I keep feeling I'm being mean to him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:28 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:27 pm Lynch me then lynch Alison then gl with overturning a 6v3

So you're back to being sure Alison is town again?

I think she's more likely to flip town than not. Still I don't feel strong enough to fight against her lynch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:27 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:20 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:15 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:53 pm i am sitting here, eating chips, drinking a cold one, and musing about how mac, alison and spf dances around each other but seemingly ends up town reading each other
it is kinda cute tbh

this is very scummy

it's an inaccurate description of the game that seems to show a lack of understanding of the dynamics between us three but idk if it's wolf indicative

considering the timing of it, it feels like the kind of scattery shit on the towncore post a wolf says when teammates are floundering...

Boquise was shielding Creature until I told him Creature was outed mafia just before this and Boquise went from pushing a hard townread on Creature for meta reasons to just dropping it citing your walk back as a reason. I've never taken Boquise for one to just give up on a read he strongly believes in for any reason much less because Mac and SPF (who apparently he suspects enough to shade) tell him to.

idk you can do whatever. I guess you're getting the benefit of doubt for now. Still if you're alive D4 or D5 and hasn't got any pelt you're likely wolf.

You know you can actually easily distinguish between my wolfplay and townplay right? I've snowed a strong town exactly once in the past 4 years and it took an otherworldly effort. Otherwise I just kinda look obvious and die. Endlessly tinfoiling me if you're town doesn't help me read you man. It's just like Falcon. Like I take the hit to the ego for being wrong cuz you both die before me but you're playing terribly by treating town me this way if you are town. Remedy this if you are for next time please.

I just gave you the benefit of doubt. I didn't even include you in my wolfteam guess and now I think SPF is likelier a hit than you.

Lynch me then lynch Alison then gl with overturning a 6v3

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:23 pm I read Boquise's posts after be pivoted to Creature as being very performative and didn't vibe with them. Arogame and Lilypetal evidently thought they were the towniest shit ever and Creature even tho he's suspected Boq all game chooses now to relent. This game is weird and I'm not going to be too upset if we lose because if the mafia isn't at least one of Creature/Alison the wolves are playing super good.

tbh if Alison and I are both town the three wolves were literally given a free ride to D4 unscathed.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:22 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:37 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:48 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:38 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:23 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:20 pm

yah it feels a bit like anti-spew, not sure why creature is already throwing in the towel and planning for his death when alison is literally still the leading wagon

Hasn't Alison done the exact same?

this response makes no sense because alison was/is in the leading wagon and is widely agreed to be the person who dies today, so it makes sense for her to throw in the towel. it does not make sense for you to throw in the towel

why are you trying to deflect to alison instead of standing up for your own actions?

I don't know. I've been treated with bad-faith so much I'd rather just command town what to do after I die. Alison prob still needs to be resolved because now I feel like she is playing against her own standards. Mac needs to die D4 if he's still alive and hasn't produced us any pelt. Then you prob have to go if you have only pushed town all game.

You know what. I was just going to let this post slide by because I kinda agree with it but no. No. We dont just kill good players because they survive too long. Thats exactly what wolves want us to do in some games and know they can get a free lynch out. Policying Mac 2 days in the future is just a post that rubs me the wrong way.

Is this performative?

Out of all the posts from rondo it was this one I liked the least

Why? It read as a genuine criticism.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:20 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:15 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:53 pm i am sitting here, eating chips, drinking a cold one, and musing about how mac, alison and spf dances around each other but seemingly ends up town reading each other
it is kinda cute tbh

this is very scummy

it's an inaccurate description of the game that seems to show a lack of understanding of the dynamics between us three but idk if it's wolf indicative

considering the timing of it, it feels like the kind of scattery shit on the towncore post a wolf says when teammates are floundering...

Boquise was shielding Creature until I told him Creature was outed mafia just before this and Boquise went from pushing a hard townread on Creature for meta reasons to just dropping it citing your walk back as a reason. I've never taken Boquise for one to just give up on a read he strongly believes in for any reason much less because Mac and SPF (who apparently he suspects enough to shade) tell him to.

idk you can do whatever. I guess you're getting the benefit of doubt for now. Still if you're alive D4 or D5 and hasn't got any pelt you're likely wolf.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:17 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:02 pm It's gonna be Neon + Lilypetal + staypositivefriend roughly this order. Maybe Mac instead of staypositivefriend.

Why not Boq?

I ain't touching Boq anymore. I feel like I'm only getting stressed and looking like a mean player to Boq.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:10 pm Creature's attempt to flash wagon Neon is outing. It is disastrous for the town to vote outside of me and him today and he should know it. This goes double if he thinks the game is lost if I'm town... in which case he has nothing to lose by voting me. He is either in anti spew or he is flailing after a seemingly easy D2 did not go as planned for his team. Vote him out.

I am leaving now, do not fuck up.

Yes my vote on Neon is as outing as GGhana dipping off the rest of D1, Variance self-voting D2 and Cobalt not doing anything until D3. I guess at least I'm trying to put a spotlight on low hanging wolves.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:10 pm Creature's attempt to flash wagon Neon is outing. It is disastrous for the town to vote outside of me and him today and he should know it. This goes double if he thinks the game is lost if I'm town... in which case he has nothing to lose by voting me. He is either in anti spew or he is flailing after a seemingly easy D2 did not go as planned for his team. Vote him out.

I am leaving now, do not fuck up.

atp I'm resigned I'm prob getting lynched.

If you're lynched and you flip wolf I'm likely clear, but if you're lynched and you flip town I'm always getting lynched tomorrow. If I get lynched today and I flip towb maybe town might reevaluate things.

I'm voting Neon to bring attention to her. It prob will never go through but at least I expect players to be reevaluating her during the night.

We'll prob have to gamble the game on some players always being town considering we've mislynched a lot. Or at least only reevaluate them in F3 or F5 if they make it.

Two most obvious names are:

arogame123
Lucy

My personal addictions:

Porscha
RondoDimBuckle

Although they are not as strong as the first two. atp I just feel like Porscha should've been prob caught if wolf. Rondo I'm kinda townreading for some certain posts like the lash out at me for going at strong players.

I'll also add:

Boquise

More because I'm tired of stepping on him. Maybe I'll just assume he is town because it's not worth the stress.

I don't know who else is left. There's NANOOK and Seanzie but I don't have compelling reasons to townread them.

Alison is prob always getting lynched. I'm just not confident here.

I guess that pretty much leaves:

Lilypetal
MacDougall
Neon
staypositivefriend

It's gonna be Neon + Lilypetal + staypositivefriend roughly this order. Maybe Mac instead of staypositivefriend.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:00 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:59 pm Alright if I'm going over anyway may as well vote someone I think can be wolf.

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

does this mean you think alison isn't a wolf? o___O

Idk tbh. I feel like she's always getting lynched and so game is lost if she's town.