[END] Literal WWerecreatures Invade Syndicate Zoo: An SDN Crossover Game

[santygrass]

[VOTE: MR7] aubergine

Why are you sheeping me Santy?

Because I dont think you are w/w with miranda and dont seem to be pocketing them + tinfoil that you have mech reason to be clearing miranda and are not telling

You dont have to confirm or deny this btw . I think its best left open for the wolves imagination hmmyes

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: MR7] aubergine

Why are you sheeping me Santy?

Because I dont think you are w/w with miranda and dont seem to be pocketing them + tinfoil that you have mech reason to be clearing miranda and are not telling

I donut have mech

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Is just my read

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

What is your read on sloonei Neon?
I still need to read their ISO + the Lawpy push but I'm feeling super lazy

I'd be willing to go here

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: MR7] aubergine

Why are you sheeping me Santy?

Because I dont think you are w/w with miranda and dont seem to be pocketing them + tinfoil that you have mech reason to be clearing miranda and are not telling

You dont have to confirm or deny this btw . I think its best left open for the wolves imagination hmmyes

Oops

[Seanzie]

I want to see Sloonei's coveted associative reads.

[S~V~S]

Actually, I’d like to see anyone give me a mech reason Miranda is town.

I don’t think that will happen.

Miranda has played an awesome game, but folks, she’s bad.

[Seanzie]

Actually, I’d like to see anyone give me a mech reason Miranda is town.

I don’t think that will happen.

Miranda has played an awesome game, but folks, she’s bad.

Why would there have to be a mech reason Miranda is good?

[santygrass]

[VOTE: MR7] aubergine

Why are you sheeping me Santy?

Because I dont think you are w/w with miranda and dont seem to be pocketing them + tinfoil that you have mech reason to be clearing miranda and are not telling

I donut have mech

Sadgeeee

[santygrass]

@Sloonei why SAR over miranda?

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei why SAR over miranda?

vote is based off things in dya's and genny's iso. Nothing solid, but I thought Miranda looked not bad.

I literally started doing Lawpy's ISO moments before you pinged me.

[Sloonei]

Let's Do Lawpy

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Hey everyone, I’m Lawpy and i’m currently in the midst of catching up

Also Neons did i play with you before elsewhere? I don’t know if you’re the same Neons i played with when i subbed into Fext’s game

First post acknowledges Neon's presence. This question could have theoretically been asked in private if they're wolf partners. But it does not need to have been, and asking innocuous questions like this is an easy way for teammates to get some easy distancing points.

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Gut impressions so far: seanzies and zenges are probably village

There is a certain trajectory in wolf!zenges in how he solves vs the hardline stance he takes as villager

Seanzies tunnels and questioning look like that of a village mindset

Slooneis looks to be playing a sort of a diplomatic role here which i’m thinking. I know wolf!Jays did the same which admittedly blindsided me so i’m a little wary when i see diplomatic stances/posting styles. It’s looking like a subtle nudge towards (or away) from his players of interest

Hey look, reads. Thanks, Lawpy. Seanzie is town. Noted. Because of his tunneling questions. Okay.
Framing of the suspicion against me is more bogus in hindsight than it was in real time. I point to this post for anyone who might still hold some suspicion against me.

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You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.

I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.

Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.

I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.

I still expect an answer here.

I think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.

You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.

Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.

I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.

Get out of here with your calm and reasoning.

Also, intentionally being peacemaker and trying to stop a distracting argument feels town to me.

That argument doesn’t look distracting to me and the peacemaker role is what’s actually making me wary

I’m interested to know who you’re wolfreading, if any, in this exchange

mayo and lawpy are not teammates. Cool. But this is not news.

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Are you intentionally pretending you don’t know the definition of defensive?

I asked you why you were voting for Miranda and you freaked out and said I was being weird for daring to ask “why”?

That’s defensive.

Stop twisting my words. I said you’re being weird. Not for asking. You’re just being weird. In general.

When did you say this because I don't think you have

If I unvoted right now it could be a three way tie :heckyeah:

Why are you even voting for Miranda? What’s your endgame here?

I already said I thought her tone was sus. I don’t just snapvote someone I like for funsies unless it’s dubz

Why you bein weird?

First time was here I believe, couple other times afterward

Ah

I was gonna say ponies felt scummy because that post felt like OMGUS but I guess I missed that

(in response to your previous post):

Seanzie is townlean because an interesting pattern I've noticed is that he doesn't say "I'd elim this." nearly as often, or at all, as scum than he does town

One thing that caught my eye was the sudden swooning over mightyrunner? Like sure they looked towny I guess, but there was like 3 to 5 people who all townread them and it felt like there had to be a wolf in there trying to hide amongst the crowd

Interesting point about mighty because i have him in neutrals

Could you refresh me who exactly townread him?

Dennis has been conspicuously absent from the previous two ISOs. Lawpy isn't really talking about Dennis here, but is talking to him, trying to get him to flesh out a read in more detail. The read is about mightyrunner. If I had to give a read on this: Lawpy looks to be fishing for things/people to talk about. This might be a good look for Dennis in that Lawpy's question might be a sincere effort to get a town player to articulate a read that he can then use for himself. But this can very easily be theater between teammates.
Will need to see how this develops to offer a read on mighty's involvement.

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Also Nates voting Zenges in that tally is weird

Nate is also not Lawpy's teammate. I already knew that, too.

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I have a bad gut feel on SVS.

Is this still true now? I have them as neutrals

Lawpy presses PSV to talk about SVS. PSV was town. SVS is TBD, tbh imo. Again, could go either way depending on how things develop.

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When did you say this because I don't think you have

I already said I thought her tone was sus. I don’t just snapvote someone I like for funsies unless it’s dubz

Why you bein weird?

First time was here I believe, couple other times afterward

Ah

I was gonna say ponies felt scummy because that post felt like OMGUS but I guess I missed that

(in response to your previous post):

Seanzie is townlean because an interesting pattern I've noticed is that he doesn't say "I'd elim this." nearly as often, or at all, as scum than he does town

One thing that caught my eye was the sudden swooning over mightyrunner? Like sure they looked towny I guess, but there was like 3 to 5 people who all townread them and it felt like there had to be a wolf in there trying to hide amongst the crowd

Interesting point about mighty because i have him in neutrals

Could you refresh me who exactly townread him?

I'm not ignoring you I swear, I'm gonna go find the posts one second

alrighty @Lawpy I don't care enough anymore

I could only find 2, coincidentally scotty and AM, both dead townies but I swear there was more

Ty i appreciate the effort. I’m going to mull over this a bit

If this was theater, Dennis didn't hold up his end of the bargain. I'll lean slightly toward calling this a good look for Dennis, simply because I think he'd put more effort into this response if he and Lawpy were teammates.

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Thinking i feel ok with dennis and santy

And feeling ok about neons too

Three town reads. I do not see an explanation of any of them. I do not think any of these three were in any danger, either. So

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Creature wagon from D1 gets purer and purer

Explain soothingly

Lawpy asks Santy to explain his take on the Creature wagon. Soothingly. This tells me nothing, but it exists.

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Of the Creatures voters, i think i feel good about Kates/Macs and Wilgys/tutuus. SVS is solidly neutral. Concerned about mayos and falcons as they could be wolfing. Mayos in particular has been known to bus before so he isn’t unpaired from a wolf!Creatures.

SVS continues to be nothing but neutral. Noted.

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Of course Dennis might just be mafia.

I think Dennis is scum for a really really really dumb reason lol

Explain freshly

Another generic prod, this time for Neon RE: Dennis. Okay.

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I feel like there’s a lot of resistance to zenges push on falcons

Santy at least is approaching from a pretty strongly village trajectory by highlighting the need to reassess in the event Zenges is wrong and looking for other wolves that don’t depend primarily on falcons being a wolf

This was a convoluted argument, but I'm unsure whether that should be taken merely as part of Lawpy's push against me, or if it's also damning as a defense of Santy. At the very least, I can't call this a good look for Santy.

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Why is @Neon voting Dennis?

Because I scum read Dennis presumably

Why pls

Still waiting for this to go somewhere.

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Wait that reminds me

Did mighty post anything today? I saw his falcons vote… but couldn’t find much else?

Tentatively calling this a good look for mightyrunner. This has the same vibe as Lawpy's posts about me where he was clearly trying to present me in an unfavorable light. "Hey look, mighty hasn't posted, that's a problem!"

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Why is @Neon voting Dennis?

She said she's wolfreading him for a really dumb reason but hasn't elaborated IIRC

I should probably say something about this huh

Neon and I have this funny history where we can't find each other as town for our lives

I've straight up given up trying to read her and I'm letting other people sort her out

Engaged. Interesting

I don't know what to do with these two words.

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[VOTE: Lawpy] aubergine

Engaged. Mayo town

Why? You’re making a mistake

I sense a twinge of real disappointment here. That would be a good look for Santy.

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I'm sorting reads pls.

Who do you think is wolfing Lawpy?

I don’t think my POE changed significantly from before, which btw had falcons and creatures in it.

I’m wolfreading Nates, mayos and Slooneis. Largely because of end of D1 events for Nates + the initial Zenges vote. And how the latter two handled Zenges vs Falcons.

I like this even more than the previous post. This is real pressure from Santy on Lawpy, and Lawpy is starting to look uncomfortable. Also that list of suspects is myself and my two strongest townreads in the game right now, so lol. (I've been ignoring the fruit vendor exchange with Mayo in this ISO because I'm so confident that Mayo is not teamed with Lawpy)

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I'm sorting reads pls.

Who do you think is wolfing Lawpy?

I don’t think my POE changed significantly from before, which btw had falcons and creatures in it.

I’m wolfreading Nates, mayos and Slooneis. Largely because of end of D1 events for Nates + the initial Zenges vote. And how the latter two handled Zenges vs Falcons.

You think Mayo bussed?

What about Dennis?

Mayos has bussed before, so yes.

Dennis is currently in my neutrals

Can someone on this team please say something about Dennis?

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Was Neons the one who originally wolfread falcons before townreading him?

Mac was asking people to talk about Neon at this point. But this post still feels kind of... odd, and out of place. Lawpy has spent a lot of time talking about Falcon, but has not acknowledged Neon's involvement in his wagon until this moment.

With that said, I would need to revisit Neon's Day 1 treatment of Falcon if I wanted to call this a bad look. It could very well just be the case that Lawpy is hyper aware of Falcon's opponents because Falcon was his teammate.

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Thus ends this exercise. My biggest takeaway is that Santy gets a nice little boost in the town department. Mightyrunner also got a slight townie point.

I continually want to say that Dennis looks good in all of the micro-interactions with the wolves, but the fact there has been almost nothing significant regarding Dennis in any of these first three ISOs is becoming a mild concern. He's been relevant to a lot of discussions throughout this game, but Genny, Lawpy, and Dya have collectively abstained from any Dennis-related conversations.

Speaking of which: I don't think Miranda came up once in this ISO. Noted.

[Sloonei]

This is a wolf, full stop.

I'd say it looks more like a falcon. This is what he does.

When you say “this is what he does”, it sounds like you’re saying “this is NAI”, is that correct?

Not necessarily. I would lean very slightly towards a town read on him. But, at the very least, he should not be scumread for playing the role of antagonist like this.

I actually think falcon is kinda behaving out of character

I remember this now. Neon didn't end up providing any super in-depth case against Falcon or anything, but this interjection felt real and would be out of place if they are teammates. Good look for Neon.

[mightyrunner7]

[VOTE: MightyRunner7] aubergine

Mighty was the target of an Wolf (creature) ability n1, and even then on D2 they spent most of the time with their vote on another wolf (Falcon).

I think is unlikely (no impossible tho) for mighty to be aligned with Werecreatures

All creature did was quirk them, right? Gonna say that is not at all convicing.

Falcon would be telling people that busing/pushing him is fine in wolf chat. I'll give them a point for this, but that's about it.

They played around the Genny wagon like someone who wanted to look like weren't teamed with Genny but that didn't want Genny to flip.

You don't know me very well, but I try to be very methodical and comprehensive with my meaningful posts. Getting stuck with 1 sentence thesis statements was torture, since I couldn't actually provide any real content.

I voted for both falcon and genny at various points. It's obviously possible for a wolf to buss a packmate, but bussing multiple packmates just seems like bad strategy.

The bolded part is really the only argument to vote me that I've seen so far today. It's 100% wrong, but I certainly see the perspective. The problem is it really only takes into account the last 1 hour of yesterday and ignores the previous days I spent with genny in my POE.

The main reason I didn't initially vote for genny (despite her being in the bottom of my POE for days ) was she started actually engaging and provided a role reveal. I also was 100% sheeping Mac (since he was one of my strongest village reads) . I don't know why he setup that elaborate counter wagon trap (and sadly won't ever know), but his conclusion was wrong. Frankly, we have a few people with a ton of Village cred (mayo, Nate, and now Santy), so I think the main reason the wolves silenced Mac with his final words being "Yeet MR7" was to drive a misyeet of myself

[NateTheLesser]

Anything spicy happen today?

[NateTheLesser]

Looks like just a couple pages since last night, so I'll get caught up.

[mightyrunner7]

I just read through SAR's ISO and putting a vote there is understandable

Town points - early vote for falcon, vote for Lawpy, general casual tone (feels odd for a wolf who has been rapidly losing packmates)
Scum points - defense of genny, lack of overall solving attempts, introduced the 3rd faction theory (which seems less and less likely as we uncover more werecreatures)

I'm not going to rule her out, but I want to investigate more optipns before going there

[NateTheLesser]

I just read through SAR's ISO and putting a vote there is understandable

Town points - early vote for falcon, vote for Lawpy, general casual tone (feels odd for a wolf who has been rapidly losing packmates)
Scum points - defense of genny, lack of overall solving attempts, introduced the 3rd faction theory (which seems less and less likely as we uncover more werecreatures)

I'm not going to rule her out, but I want to investigate more optipns before going there

So SAR is POE. What's your take on miranda?

[Sloonei]

Falcon. Falcon, falcon falcon falcon.

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I'm going to aggressively omgus until the game like actually starts

Do you feel there's nothing to be learned during D0?

The first target of Falcon's spastic accusation phase is Dennis. This is in direct contrast to the previous ISOs, where no one was willing to talk about Dennis at all. Thanks, Falcon. This unprovoked and excessive challenge is a good look for Dennis.

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I do not like the Miranda wagon. This is happening too fast

3 out of 24 votes is hardly anything to get worked up about especially with over 47 hours left.

It just felt like a lot piling onto one person in a very short amount of time

Well, I s'pose you could ask those voting Miranda as to their reasons...but you're not doing that.

Why?

Lost in all the Zenge commotion is a soft, implicit defense of Miranda. I barely care about this point, though.

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Santy trying to pocket like 9 players at once is a thing I guess

More wild shade, this time thrown at Santy. Some of this is just a product of how Falcon approaches the game, so it's not impossible that he'd direct some of this activity at a teammate eventually. I have no reason to believe that's the case here. But it should be noted.

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Hi, I claim slank D1 cover.

I have ONE (1) read and that is Neon = Town and not much else

Have you played with Neon/Zenon a lot?

I have wolfed with them, played with them where I was Villa and them wolf, and played two games with both as Villa as far as I recall. If they keep up the good tone they are much more likely to be Villa and I think I'll be able to soulread them Villa


And ftr I think both games when we were both V/V we never found each other succesfully . Or if we did at some point it ended up rescinding. Comlex history, but I kinda think thats why they are one of the players I have better stored how they approach the game and what could be more indicative of a certain alignment

How would you describe Neon's scum approach to the game?

This is a more calm and normal question for Santy RE: Neon. Hooray. I have no read on it, but it exists.

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What's informing all yer TRs, or are they just gut feels?

This is SDN meta, but Sportponies has knowledge of a secre PSV wolf tell that it has never failed yet, so the read of Sporty into PSV has weight tbh. Specially with PSV , they have a super good tone as wolf and its someone I can easily misread

Do you have a meta read on Sporty right now?

No. The meta read is that Sporty will be able to catch wolf!psv with more success than me, and if they think they are town, its highly likely to be correct, hence the sheeping. Not too complicated

No, I'm asking why you're TR Sporty right now

I never stated a TR on Sporty ¿?

Nvm, I understand now.

I am le' dumb

This feels like real confusion and a touch of embarrassment from Falcon, which would be a good look for Santy. Hooray.

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This is SDN meta, but Sportponies has knowledge of a secre PSV wolf tell that it has never failed yet, so the read of Sporty into PSV has weight tbh. Specially with PSV , they have a super good tone as wolf and its someone I can easily misread

Do you have a meta read on Sporty right now?

No. The meta read is that Sporty will be able to catch wolf!psv with more success than me, and if they think they are town, its highly likely to be correct, hence the sheeping. Not too complicated

No, I'm asking why you're TR Sporty right now

I never stated a TR on Sporty ¿?

No, not explicitly, but by trusting their read on someone else, you kinda did implicity put a town read on ONE or both of them. Either on Sporty, cause you trust their read, or on PSV, becasue you have reason to trust Sportys read of them. Especially based on a tell that according to Sporty, didn't happen once for five days?

What if they're both bad? What if Sporty is wolfy, and is pocketing PSV with their "currently" town read?

I might feel this more if Sporty hadn't put in that 'once it took five days' caveat.

I've been in a similar situation myself recently, and if the SDN folk all "meh" this, I won't worry about it. But for now, it looks a bit fishy to me.

OK, glad I'm not the only one who read it like that.

I thought I was taking crazy pills or sumfin'...I mean I AM taking crazy pills, but the Doctor's say I'm still sane.

Alright this is an even better look for Santy. SVS articulates what Falcon had been unable to earlier RE: Santy, and Falcon Falcon seizes on this to re-establish his stance on Santy. If they are teammates, Falcon is taking the distancing approach a step further than he needs to.
SVS is also involved here. But I could go either way on her here. Falcon can easily seize on his own teammate's argument to justify his own. Or it could be a convenient argument articulated by a townie that mirrors the one he was trying to make. Gun to my head, I'd say the latter is more likely, which would be a good look for SVS.

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I'm not going to talk to someone who asks me to provide evidence that TSers were sussing Dennis, then asks why I provided evidence that TSers were sussing Dennis after I provide evidence that TSers were sussing dennis, then claims I didn't provide evidence that TSers were sussing dennis.

I feel this could've been phrased more clearly, and it hurts my brain right now.

Here's hoping the Tylenol Cold & Flu kicks in soon

This post exists. I'm not sure if it tells me anything about Seanzie. It is barely on-topic.

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It's a reads list.

How seriously do you feel Scotty's reads actually are in these lists tho?

Kinda feels...I dunno, splish-splashy.

All filler, no killer if ya know what I mean

Here's a second instance of Falcon responding to something SVS said about another player. Noted.

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@miranda920 Are you a Breedlove or a Seagull?

Hey look, miranda exists.

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@Dennis You've got yerself 2 votes bud. Do you have any guesses as to why?

Falcon is at least assuaging my concerns about the entire werecreature team was not talking about Dennis.

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Sorry, I think you need to be yeeted. I feel like you're deliberately talking past me.

You didn't say anything about Dennis, aside from ask me about them. Unless if your reason was "I want Dennis to bring the energy I saw him fluffing with yesterday." which... uhh... you think a naked vote is going to have that sort of effect on anyone?

I don't know what info Miranda's wagon has, but I am shit sure it has info.

You literally asked me to! you asked me to provide receipts, I provided receipts. You're just asking for busy work as a distraction, or what?

Don't put words into my mouth, please. I pointed out that your vote on Dennis could be opportunistic. This has been explained. Why are you trying to go in circles? Just to obfuscate my points?

Sean's prolly town

Agreed. I don't think a mafia Falcon declares a town read on mafia Seanzie like this at this point in the game. Feels more like an attempt to look authentic by giving a real town read on a real player.

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@miranda920 Are you a Breedlove or a Seagull?

Excuse my ignorance, what is a Breedlove? I am neither

Scotty was pretty close with their guess! I was pretty impressed!

Well, one thing's for sure...Breedlove's are not Hummingbirds.

This exchange with Miranda tells me absolutely nothing.

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Well those were also reads given too, Scotty guess the animal and gave a read

I also am a lot less stressed in my life than I was last game when I was getting pushed. Maybe also just feeling a little better about WW in general, not as insecure.

What do you think of Scotty's reads?

This exchange might prove to be more fruitful if it continues. Falcon is pressing Miranda for reads, but not in his usual manner. That could just be a product of how he perceives Miranda. It had been established by this point that she's a relatively new player. Falcon might just be hesitant to treat her the same way he treated Zenge. But then again, he also prodded Dennis with similar nonsense, and Dennis isn't an extremely seasoned player himself. But Falcon knows Dennis a bit better.

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Nice.




Feisty neon is town neon

I feel good about Neon here for the same reasons outlined for Seanzie above.

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Why are you TR Neon? Are you sheeping other player's reads on her slot?

Did I say I'm TRing Neon? SVS said Neon reads you better than SVS does, implying a decent read rate. And neon said you're acting weird. If Zenge is also saying you're scummy, then there's a common denominator.

It's implied you're TR Neon if you're looking for her take on my slot to inform your read, yes

I don't find this to be an accurate take.

Also, who said Falcon feels normal?

Oh? Do you normally ask players who you are SRing to inform your read on a slot?

This also does not feel like a teammate interaction. Seanzie's interjection directly contrasts with what Falcon is trying to do. I don't think teammates run interference on each other's arguments with other players on Day 1 like this. Falcon's response also looks too testy to be partnered. This exchange continues in a similar manner for a few posts. I'm finally feeling alright about Seanzie.

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@falcon45ca Do you have any comment about all the commotion surrounding your name in this game so far?

I feel it has bogged down discussion on a single topic, and it's also flattering to see my name so many times

Are there any topics you want to bring more attention to in the thread?

Where's @santygrass and where's @Kate ? I feel I saw them both early game, and they've totally dipped

I remember disliking this post at the time. I asked Falcon if he had any topics he felt we should be discussing more and he just kinda lazily threw two names out there without anything attached. One of them (santy) is still here. The other was town. Could it be the case that Falcon listed one partner and one town here? Sure. Does that need to be the case? No.

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[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Hello, why pxyxxy?

Biggest ping I have so far is from them.

What other reads ya got? Gut feels accepted

Oh hey, look at that. Falcon is interacting with Genny. It is a plain nothingburger of an interaction. Neat. I am reminded of his exchange with Miranda earlier.

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@DrWilgy Wherefore art thou?

I'd just like to state for the record that "wherefore" means "why". Juliet was asking Romeo why he has to be who he is, not where he was located.

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@falcon45ca Do you have any comment about all the commotion surrounding your name in this game so far?

I feel it has bogged down discussion on a single topic, and it's also flattering to see my name so many times

Are there any topics you want to bring more attention to in the thread?

Where's @santygrass and where's @Kate ? I feel I saw them both early game, and they've totally dipped

Hi, sorry I'm way behind bc I've been playing the other game nonstop. Lol. Will try to catch up asap

@Dennis Hold your parental unit accountable plz.


Also, where the fuck is Dennis?

This technically involves Dennis. But barely.

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IVE LITERALLY BEEN AWAKE FOR LIKE 5 HOURS WHAT IS THIS SLANDER

Sounds like you've had plenty of time to read up on things then, no?

This reads more like lighthearted banter than actual grilling between Falcon and Dennis. Not the most encouraging sign, but I barely care about it.

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And you got super weirdly defensive about it when I asked you a simple, neutral question about your vote. That’s weird, Sportponies.

Are you intentionally pretending you don’t know the definition of defensive?

I asked you why you were voting for Miranda and you freaked out and said I was being weird for daring to ask “why”?

That’s defensive.

Stop twisting my words. I said you’re being weird. Not for asking. You’re just being weird. In general.

When did you say this because I don't think you have

If I unvoted right now it could be a three way tie :heckyeah:

Why are you even voting for Miranda? What’s your endgame here?

I already said I thought her tone was sus. I don’t just snapvote someone I like for funsies unless it’s dubz

Why you bein weird?

First time was here I believe, couple other times afterward

After yelling at Dennis to post more, Falcon responds by... politely answering one of Dennis' questions for another person. Okay. I expected more spice.

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Ah

I was gonna say ponies felt scummy because that post felt like OMGUS but I guess I missed that

(in response to your previous post):

Seanzie is townlean because an interesting pattern I've noticed is that he doesn't say "I'd elim this." nearly as often, or at all, as scum than he does town

One thing that caught my eye was the sudden swooning over mightyrunner? Like sure they looked towny I guess, but there was like 3 to 5 people who all townread them and it felt like there had to be a wolf in there trying to hide amongst the crowd

Mightyrunner? Hold up, Imma check

This post reads more like a genuine conversation, which would be a good look for Dennis. I say that because it doesn't feel like there is anything staged or calculated going on here. Dennis is responding authentically to what Falcon is saying, and Falcon is giving the appearance of a sincere followup. They're discussing Mightyrunner, which is a name I hadn't seen in this ISO yet.

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I have played several games with Creature over the years, but he has played more games without me in them than with me. With that said, I have a vague notion that volume can be a somewhat reliable tell when reading him.

I agree, he gets pretty engaged as town and gives info on his reads. I'm not seeing that here

Falcon indicates that he should be willing to bus Creature on Day 1. But then...

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I'd really rather not kill someone for low posting D1

It's just taking a shot in the dark rather than like, aiming at all. Later in the game I would be down because that's when they're a liability to town but with so many healthy suspicions being thrown around a shrug yeet is just a bad decision

Interpret this blanket defense as you may

Lynching slankers D1 is always sub-optimal.

What's your take on Scotty?

But then he implicitly walks that back by saying he would prefer not to vote for a player who fits Creature's profile, shifting the subject onto Scotty. Also a slightly good look for Dennis here, in that Falcon seems to be deliberately trying to steer him onto Town Scotty.

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@DrWilgy Wherefore art thou?

Dead.

Have only read your ISO tbh. I think you are town and will sheep you until I can obtain more data to make a read.

Sheep me on Creature then


[VOTE: creature] aubergine

... but then he votes for Creature.

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Scotty's reaction to receiving votes was lacking in a way that gives me pause. It felt like a civilian who is not invested enough to fight back.

Scotty's put in a fair amount of effort into the game to not be invested enough to fight back, don't ya think?

... and then tries to talk me out of backing away from my Scotty suspicion.

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@Marmot Hey, are you unoriginal and just jumping on bandwagons?




[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Idk, have I jumped on any bandwagons?

Dennis would say yes

Weird little Dennis namedrop here. On the surface, I don't know what to do with it. But I have another theory that's just bubbled up to the surface here. Prior to pretending to get on board the Creature bandwagon, Falcon had had virtually nothing to say about or to any of his flipped teammates. There was a brief interaction with Genny which amounted to nothing, and that is it. By contrast, he has talked to or about Dennis more than anyone in the game except for maybe Zenge. If Dennis is a werecreature, Falcon is giving him an inordinately high amount of attention relative to the rest of their team. Some of that could just be attributed to volume. Dennis had a lot more to say on Day 1 (and beyond) than Genny. But Dya was not totally inactive on Day 1, and Falcon has hardly acknowledged them at all.

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[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

i dont understand this vote at all

I find Marmot's hedgey push on my slot sus, why is it hard to understand?

Speak of the Dya! Here's a post. But Dya was the one to initiate this exchange. Also this is on Day 2. And absolutely nothing came of it. To be fair, I believe dya subbed out soon after. But it just furthers my point that Falcon had minimal interactions with his flipped partners during this game.

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Creature was a cw with 5 votes yesterday.

Based on nothing after the lead wagon flipped town, he only has my vote. Their content today its mostly a bland vote on me and not much else?

Like, why that wagon died ?

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Falcon places a Day 2 Creature vote on the back of some Santy wagonomics. Noted. Potentially a good look for Santy, but not overwhelmingly so.

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Why do you assume AM was the nk to clear someone?

I see 3 people dead

This is worth talking about. If we had to guess, who do we think was the most likely target of the mafia team kill?

As I said earlier, I think Pyxxy may have been vigged.

We could have two bad teams, but traditionally here, they would have alternated odds/evens. So maybe there is an SK, which I haven't seen here recently, or multiple people have shots. Or some other killer mechanic from SDN I am unaware of.

Of the two, I think AM makes more sense as a straight up baddie kill, she seems like she would be a very strong civ. I get the sentiment of the SDNers that killing her would be dickish for them, not sure if all of them feel that way, or if that was said as a bit of cover to push the idea that NKing AM *must* have been done by a Syndicat.

Sporty had some suspish, but there was some talk of her being able to infallibly read PSV, so that could have been done to set PSV up, as since it is a "known" capability on her home forum, from what they were saying about it, I find it super unlikely that PSV would have killed her for that reason.

Creature was a cw with 5 votes yesterday.

Based on nothing after the lead wagon flipped town, he only has my vote. Their content today its mostly a bland vote on me and not much else?

Like, why that wagon died ?

If I had to vote right now, I'd vote there. I'm just curious for Marmot to answer my question about how he couched Creatures time restriction. I could vote there as well.

Marmot & Creature are Maf

Falcon responds to a post by SVS to throw out the combo of Marmot and Creature as partners. This, again, does not tell me a whole lot about SVS. They have had very few meaningful interactions this game. Which is not my favorite thing.
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Big takeaway here is that Seanzie looks pretty good. Dennis might also look good simply due to being heavily featured, whereas Falcon mostly ignored his flipped partners for most of the game. Santy as well to a lesser degree, although their interactions were less feisty.

I would not say that anyone looks explicitly bad. But names like Miranda, mightyrunner, and SVS stand out for their relative absence.

[Sloonei]

And SAR. I keep forgetting SAR. SAR is also not coming up at all in any of these ISOs.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: MightyRunner7] aubergine

Mighty was the target of an Wolf (creature) ability n1, and even then on D2 they spent most of the time with their vote on another wolf (Falcon).

I think is unlikely (no impossible tho) for mighty to be aligned with Werecreatures

All creature did was quirk them, right? Gonna say that is not at all convicing.

Falcon would be telling people that busing/pushing him is fine in wolf chat. I'll give them a point for this, but that's about it.

They played around the Genny wagon like someone who wanted to look like weren't teamed with Genny but that didn't want Genny to flip.

You don't know me very well, but I try to be very methodical and comprehensive with my meaningful posts. Getting stuck with 1 sentence thesis statements was torture, since I couldn't actually provide any real content.

I voted for both falcon and genny at various points. It's obviously possible for a wolf to buss a packmate, but bussing multiple packmates just seems like bad strategy.

The bolded part is really the only argument to vote me that I've seen so far today. It's 100% wrong, but I certainly see the perspective. The problem is it really only takes into account the last 1 hour of yesterday and ignores the previous days I spent with genny in my POE.

The main reason I didn't initially vote for genny (despite her being in the bottom of my POE for days ) was she started actually engaging and provided a role reveal. I also was 100% sheeping Mac (since he was one of my strongest village reads) . I don't know why he setup that elaborate counter wagon trap (and sadly won't ever know), but his conclusion was wrong. Frankly, we have a few people with a ton of Village cred (mayo, Nate, and now Santy), so I think the main reason the wolves silenced Mac with his final words being "Yeet MR7" was to drive a misyeet of myself

Sorry, but if you don't vote someone when push comes to shove, it doesn't mean as much. You can't really call it "bussing" when they don't go over. Also I was pretty much out of it for D2-D3.5.

[Seanzie]

Falcon. Falcon, falcon falcon falcon.

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I'm going to aggressively omgus until the game like actually starts

Do you feel there's nothing to be learned during D0?

The first target of Falcon's spastic accusation phase is Dennis. This is in direct contrast to the previous ISOs, where no one was willing to talk about Dennis at all. Thanks, Falcon. This unprovoked and excessive challenge is a good look for Dennis.

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I do not like the Miranda wagon. This is happening too fast

3 out of 24 votes is hardly anything to get worked up about especially with over 47 hours left.

It just felt like a lot piling onto one person in a very short amount of time

Well, I s'pose you could ask those voting Miranda as to their reasons...but you're not doing that.

Why?

Lost in all the Zenge commotion is a soft, implicit defense of Miranda. I barely care about this point, though.

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Santy trying to pocket like 9 players at once is a thing I guess

More wild shade, this time thrown at Santy. Some of this is just a product of how Falcon approaches the game, so it's not impossible that he'd direct some of this activity at a teammate eventually. I have no reason to believe that's the case here. But it should be noted.

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Hi, I claim slank D1 cover.

I have ONE (1) read and that is Neon = Town and not much else

Have you played with Neon/Zenon a lot?

I have wolfed with them, played with them where I was Villa and them wolf, and played two games with both as Villa as far as I recall. If they keep up the good tone they are much more likely to be Villa and I think I'll be able to soulread them Villa


And ftr I think both games when we were both V/V we never found each other succesfully . Or if we did at some point it ended up rescinding. Comlex history, but I kinda think thats why they are one of the players I have better stored how they approach the game and what could be more indicative of a certain alignment

How would you describe Neon's scum approach to the game?

This is a more calm and normal question for Santy RE: Neon. Hooray. I have no read on it, but it exists.

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This is SDN meta, but Sportponies has knowledge of a secre PSV wolf tell that it has never failed yet, so the read of Sporty into PSV has weight tbh. Specially with PSV , they have a super good tone as wolf and its someone I can easily misread

Do you have a meta read on Sporty right now?

No. The meta read is that Sporty will be able to catch wolf!psv with more success than me, and if they think they are town, its highly likely to be correct, hence the sheeping. Not too complicated

No, I'm asking why you're TR Sporty right now

I never stated a TR on Sporty ¿?

Nvm, I understand now.

I am le' dumb

This feels like real confusion and a touch of embarrassment from Falcon, which would be a good look for Santy. Hooray.

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Do you have a meta read on Sporty right now?

No. The meta read is that Sporty will be able to catch wolf!psv with more success than me, and if they think they are town, its highly likely to be correct, hence the sheeping. Not too complicated

No, I'm asking why you're TR Sporty right now

I never stated a TR on Sporty ¿?

No, not explicitly, but by trusting their read on someone else, you kinda did implicity put a town read on ONE or both of them. Either on Sporty, cause you trust their read, or on PSV, becasue you have reason to trust Sportys read of them. Especially based on a tell that according to Sporty, didn't happen once for five days?

What if they're both bad? What if Sporty is wolfy, and is pocketing PSV with their "currently" town read?

I might feel this more if Sporty hadn't put in that 'once it took five days' caveat.

I've been in a similar situation myself recently, and if the SDN folk all "meh" this, I won't worry about it. But for now, it looks a bit fishy to me.

OK, glad I'm not the only one who read it like that.

I thought I was taking crazy pills or sumfin'...I mean I AM taking crazy pills, but the Doctor's say I'm still sane.

Alright this is an even better look for Santy. SVS articulates what Falcon had been unable to earlier RE: Santy, and Falcon Falcon seizes on this to re-establish his stance on Santy. If they are teammates, Falcon is taking the distancing approach a step further than he needs to.
SVS is also involved here. But I could go either way on her here. Falcon can easily seize on his own teammate's argument to justify his own. Or it could be a convenient argument articulated by a townie that mirrors the one he was trying to make. Gun to my head, I'd say the latter is more likely, which would be a good look for SVS.

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I'm not going to talk to someone who asks me to provide evidence that TSers were sussing Dennis, then asks why I provided evidence that TSers were sussing Dennis after I provide evidence that TSers were sussing dennis, then claims I didn't provide evidence that TSers were sussing dennis.

I feel this could've been phrased more clearly, and it hurts my brain right now.

Here's hoping the Tylenol Cold & Flu kicks in soon

This post exists. I'm not sure if it tells me anything about Seanzie. It is barely on-topic.

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It's a reads list.

How seriously do you feel Scotty's reads actually are in these lists tho?

Kinda feels...I dunno, splish-splashy.

All filler, no killer if ya know what I mean

Here's a second instance of Falcon responding to something SVS said about another player. Noted.

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@miranda920 Are you a Breedlove or a Seagull?

Hey look, miranda exists.

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@Dennis You've got yerself 2 votes bud. Do you have any guesses as to why?

Falcon is at least assuaging my concerns about the entire werecreature team was not talking about Dennis.

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Sorry, I think you need to be yeeted. I feel like you're deliberately talking past me.

You didn't say anything about Dennis, aside from ask me about them. Unless if your reason was "I want Dennis to bring the energy I saw him fluffing with yesterday." which... uhh... you think a naked vote is going to have that sort of effect on anyone?

I don't know what info Miranda's wagon has, but I am shit sure it has info.

You literally asked me to! you asked me to provide receipts, I provided receipts. You're just asking for busy work as a distraction, or what?

Don't put words into my mouth, please. I pointed out that your vote on Dennis could be opportunistic. This has been explained. Why are you trying to go in circles? Just to obfuscate my points?

Sean's prolly town

Agreed. I don't think a mafia Falcon declares a town read on mafia Seanzie like this at this point in the game. Feels more like an attempt to look authentic by giving a real town read on a real player.

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@miranda920 Are you a Breedlove or a Seagull?

Excuse my ignorance, what is a Breedlove? I am neither

Scotty was pretty close with their guess! I was pretty impressed!

Well, one thing's for sure...Breedlove's are not Hummingbirds.

This exchange with Miranda tells me absolutely nothing.

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Well those were also reads given too, Scotty guess the animal and gave a read

I also am a lot less stressed in my life than I was last game when I was getting pushed. Maybe also just feeling a little better about WW in general, not as insecure.

What do you think of Scotty's reads?

This exchange might prove to be more fruitful if it continues. Falcon is pressing Miranda for reads, but not in his usual manner. That could just be a product of how he perceives Miranda. It had been established by this point that she's a relatively new player. Falcon might just be hesitant to treat her the same way he treated Zenge. But then again, he also prodded Dennis with similar nonsense, and Dennis isn't an extremely seasoned player himself. But Falcon knows Dennis a bit better.

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Nice.




Feisty neon is town neon

I feel good about Neon here for the same reasons outlined for Seanzie above.

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Why are you TR Neon? Are you sheeping other player's reads on her slot?

Did I say I'm TRing Neon? SVS said Neon reads you better than SVS does, implying a decent read rate. And neon said you're acting weird. If Zenge is also saying you're scummy, then there's a common denominator.

It's implied you're TR Neon if you're looking for her take on my slot to inform your read, yes

I don't find this to be an accurate take.

Also, who said Falcon feels normal?

Oh? Do you normally ask players who you are SRing to inform your read on a slot?

This also does not feel like a teammate interaction. Seanzie's interjection directly contrasts with what Falcon is trying to do. I don't think teammates run interference on each other's arguments with other players on Day 1 like this. Falcon's response also looks too testy to be partnered. This exchange continues in a similar manner for a few posts. I'm finally feeling alright about Seanzie.

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@falcon45ca Do you have any comment about all the commotion surrounding your name in this game so far?

I feel it has bogged down discussion on a single topic, and it's also flattering to see my name so many times

Are there any topics you want to bring more attention to in the thread?

Where's @santygrass and where's @Kate ? I feel I saw them both early game, and they've totally dipped

I remember disliking this post at the time. I asked Falcon if he had any topics he felt we should be discussing more and he just kinda lazily threw two names out there without anything attached. One of them (santy) is still here. The other was town. Could it be the case that Falcon listed one partner and one town here? Sure. Does that need to be the case? No.

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[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Hello, why pxyxxy?

Biggest ping I have so far is from them.

What other reads ya got? Gut feels accepted

Oh hey, look at that. Falcon is interacting with Genny. It is a plain nothingburger of an interaction. Neat. I am reminded of his exchange with Miranda earlier.

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@DrWilgy Wherefore art thou?

I'd just like to state for the record that "wherefore" means "why". Juliet was asking Romeo why he has to be who he is, not where he was located.

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@falcon45ca Do you have any comment about all the commotion surrounding your name in this game so far?

I feel it has bogged down discussion on a single topic, and it's also flattering to see my name so many times

Are there any topics you want to bring more attention to in the thread?

Where's @santygrass and where's @Kate ? I feel I saw them both early game, and they've totally dipped

Hi, sorry I'm way behind bc I've been playing the other game nonstop. Lol. Will try to catch up asap

@Dennis Hold your parental unit accountable plz.


Also, where the fuck is Dennis?

This technically involves Dennis. But barely.

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IVE LITERALLY BEEN AWAKE FOR LIKE 5 HOURS WHAT IS THIS SLANDER

Sounds like you've had plenty of time to read up on things then, no?

This reads more like lighthearted banter than actual grilling between Falcon and Dennis. Not the most encouraging sign, but I barely care about it.

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And you got super weirdly defensive about it when I asked you a simple, neutral question about your vote. That’s weird, Sportponies.

Are you intentionally pretending you don’t know the definition of defensive?

I asked you why you were voting for Miranda and you freaked out and said I was being weird for daring to ask “why”?

That’s defensive.

Stop twisting my words. I said you’re being weird. Not for asking. You’re just being weird. In general.

When did you say this because I don't think you have

If I unvoted right now it could be a three way tie :heckyeah:

Why are you even voting for Miranda? What’s your endgame here?

I already said I thought her tone was sus. I don’t just snapvote someone I like for funsies unless it’s dubz

Why you bein weird?

First time was here I believe, couple other times afterward

After yelling at Dennis to post more, Falcon responds by... politely answering one of Dennis' questions for another person. Okay. I expected more spice.

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Ah

I was gonna say ponies felt scummy because that post felt like OMGUS but I guess I missed that

(in response to your previous post):

Seanzie is townlean because an interesting pattern I've noticed is that he doesn't say "I'd elim this." nearly as often, or at all, as scum than he does town

One thing that caught my eye was the sudden swooning over mightyrunner? Like sure they looked towny I guess, but there was like 3 to 5 people who all townread them and it felt like there had to be a wolf in there trying to hide amongst the crowd

Mightyrunner? Hold up, Imma check

This post reads more like a genuine conversation, which would be a good look for Dennis. I say that because it doesn't feel like there is anything staged or calculated going on here. Dennis is responding authentically to what Falcon is saying, and Falcon is giving the appearance of a sincere followup. They're discussing Mightyrunner, which is a name I hadn't seen in this ISO yet.

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I have played several games with Creature over the years, but he has played more games without me in them than with me. With that said, I have a vague notion that volume can be a somewhat reliable tell when reading him.

I agree, he gets pretty engaged as town and gives info on his reads. I'm not seeing that here

Falcon indicates that he should be willing to bus Creature on Day 1. But then...

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I'd really rather not kill someone for low posting D1

It's just taking a shot in the dark rather than like, aiming at all. Later in the game I would be down because that's when they're a liability to town but with so many healthy suspicions being thrown around a shrug yeet is just a bad decision

Interpret this blanket defense as you may

Lynching slankers D1 is always sub-optimal.

What's your take on Scotty?

But then he implicitly walks that back by saying he would prefer not to vote for a player who fits Creature's profile, shifting the subject onto Scotty. Also a slightly good look for Dennis here, in that Falcon seems to be deliberately trying to steer him onto Town Scotty.

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@DrWilgy Wherefore art thou?

Dead.

Have only read your ISO tbh. I think you are town and will sheep you until I can obtain more data to make a read.

Sheep me on Creature then


[VOTE: creature] aubergine

... but then he votes for Creature.

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Scotty's reaction to receiving votes was lacking in a way that gives me pause. It felt like a civilian who is not invested enough to fight back.

Scotty's put in a fair amount of effort into the game to not be invested enough to fight back, don't ya think?

... and then tries to talk me out of backing away from my Scotty suspicion.

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@Marmot Hey, are you unoriginal and just jumping on bandwagons?




[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Idk, have I jumped on any bandwagons?

Dennis would say yes

Weird little Dennis namedrop here. On the surface, I don't know what to do with it. But I have another theory that's just bubbled up to the surface here. Prior to pretending to get on board the Creature bandwagon, Falcon had had virtually nothing to say about or to any of his flipped teammates. There was a brief interaction with Genny which amounted to nothing, and that is it. By contrast, he has talked to or about Dennis more than anyone in the game except for maybe Zenge. If Dennis is a werecreature, Falcon is giving him an inordinately high amount of attention relative to the rest of their team. Some of that could just be attributed to volume. Dennis had a lot more to say on Day 1 (and beyond) than Genny. But Dya was not totally inactive on Day 1, and Falcon has hardly acknowledged them at all.

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[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

i dont understand this vote at all

I find Marmot's hedgey push on my slot sus, why is it hard to understand?

Speak of the Dya! Here's a post. But Dya was the one to initiate this exchange. Also this is on Day 2. And absolutely nothing came of it. To be fair, I believe dya subbed out soon after. But it just furthers my point that Falcon had minimal interactions with his flipped partners during this game.

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Creature was a cw with 5 votes yesterday.

Based on nothing after the lead wagon flipped town, he only has my vote. Their content today its mostly a bland vote on me and not much else?

Like, why that wagon died ?

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Falcon places a Day 2 Creature vote on the back of some Santy wagonomics. Noted. Potentially a good look for Santy, but not overwhelmingly so.

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Why do you assume AM was the nk to clear someone?

I see 3 people dead

This is worth talking about. If we had to guess, who do we think was the most likely target of the mafia team kill?

As I said earlier, I think Pyxxy may have been vigged.

We could have two bad teams, but traditionally here, they would have alternated odds/evens. So maybe there is an SK, which I haven't seen here recently, or multiple people have shots. Or some other killer mechanic from SDN I am unaware of.

Of the two, I think AM makes more sense as a straight up baddie kill, she seems like she would be a very strong civ. I get the sentiment of the SDNers that killing her would be dickish for them, not sure if all of them feel that way, or if that was said as a bit of cover to push the idea that NKing AM *must* have been done by a Syndicat.

Sporty had some suspish, but there was some talk of her being able to infallibly read PSV, so that could have been done to set PSV up, as since it is a "known" capability on her home forum, from what they were saying about it, I find it super unlikely that PSV would have killed her for that reason.

Creature was a cw with 5 votes yesterday.

Based on nothing after the lead wagon flipped town, he only has my vote. Their content today its mostly a bland vote on me and not much else?

Like, why that wagon died ?

If I had to vote right now, I'd vote there. I'm just curious for Marmot to answer my question about how he couched Creatures time restriction. I could vote there as well.

Marmot & Creature are Maf

Falcon responds to a post by SVS to throw out the combo of Marmot and Creature as partners. This, again, does not tell me a whole lot about SVS. They have had very few meaningful interactions this game. Which is not my favorite thing.
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Big takeaway here is that Seanzie looks pretty good. Dennis might also look good simply due to being heavily featured, whereas Falcon mostly ignored his flipped partners for most of the game. Santy as well to a lesser degree, although their interactions were less feisty.

I would not say that anyone looks explicitly bad. But names like Miranda, mightyrunner, and SVS stand out for their relative absence.

Who DID say Falcon looks normal though? I feel like I should figure that out.

[Seanzie]

Sloonei and Dennis.

[Seanzie]

Dennis has seen me tilt Mac.

[Seanzie]

Sloonei hasn't seen me tilt town!Mac

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Everyone whose name does not start with M or S must be elim'd.

[mightyrunner7]

I just read through SAR's ISO and putting a vote there is understandable

Town points - early vote for falcon, vote for Lawpy, general casual tone (feels odd for a wolf who has been rapidly losing packmates)
Scum points - defense of genny, lack of overall solving attempts, introduced the 3rd faction theory (which seems less and less likely as we uncover more werecreatures)

I'm not going to rule her out, but I want to investigate more optipns before going there

So SAR is POE. What's your take on miranda?

Good question. I'm trying to recreate vote timing, since the way this server handles it is a bit painful, but I'm finding her only vote on a wolf was on Lawpy when he was already doomed (she was the 8th vote) and she was the first to jump off genny onto a Santy counter wagon.

I'm still investigating her ISO, but I feel good about dropping her into the POE as well.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Everyone whose name does not start with M or S must be elim'd.

What do you think of my Dennis/Falcon analysis?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Everyone whose name does not start with M or S must be elim'd.

What do you think of my Dennis/Falcon analysis?

I don't remember it. I'll go look.

[mightyrunner7]

[VOTE: MightyRunner7] aubergine

Mighty was the target of an Wolf (creature) ability n1, and even then on D2 they spent most of the time with their vote on another wolf (Falcon).

I think is unlikely (no impossible tho) for mighty to be aligned with Werecreatures

All creature did was quirk them, right? Gonna say that is not at all convicing.

Falcon would be telling people that busing/pushing him is fine in wolf chat. I'll give them a point for this, but that's about it.

They played around the Genny wagon like someone who wanted to look like weren't teamed with Genny but that didn't want Genny to flip.

You don't know me very well, but I try to be very methodical and comprehensive with my meaningful posts. Getting stuck with 1 sentence thesis statements was torture, since I couldn't actually provide any real content.

I voted for both falcon and genny at various points. It's obviously possible for a wolf to buss a packmate, but bussing multiple packmates just seems like bad strategy.

The bolded part is really the only argument to vote me that I've seen so far today. It's 100% wrong, but I certainly see the perspective. The problem is it really only takes into account the last 1 hour of yesterday and ignores the previous days I spent with genny in my POE.

The main reason I didn't initially vote for genny (despite her being in the bottom of my POE for days ) was she started actually engaging and provided a role reveal. I also was 100% sheeping Mac (since he was one of my strongest village reads) . I don't know why he setup that elaborate counter wagon trap (and sadly won't ever know), but his conclusion was wrong. Frankly, we have a few people with a ton of Village cred (mayo, Nate, and now Santy), so I think the main reason the wolves silenced Mac with his final words being "Yeet MR7" was to drive a misyeet of myself

Sorry, but if you don't vote someone when push comes to shove, it doesn't mean as much. You can't really call it "bussing" when they don't go over. Also I was pretty much out of it for D2-D3.5.f

Fair, "bussing" was too strong of a word. My fundamental point remains the same - I don't have a perfect village record, but I have more village points than others, and I feel the wolves were trying to setup a misyeet.

That being said, since you have rejoined us on D3.5, I've starting feeling a lot better about you, hence why I have not started today with a vote on you

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Everyone whose name does not start with M or S must be elim'd.

What do you think of my Dennis/Falcon analysis?

I don't remember it. I'll go look.

Meh. I'll say more later.

[mightyrunner7]

For the record:

Village - Nate, Santy, Mayo, Dennis

Looking good - SVS, Sloonie

Neutral- Neon, Seanzie

Sus - SAR, Miranda

I know this is not a very exciting read list, but its my current thoughts

[mightyrunner7]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Everyone whose name does not start with M or S must be elim'd.

This post is the main reason I took Seanzie out of my POE. I feel like wolf Seanzie would have tried to play out a misyeet attempt against myself, but now he has moved on to other (rather silly) areas. I don't see someone with 4 dead packmates do that

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Everyone whose name does not start with M or S must be elim'd.

This post is the main reason I took Seanzie out of my POE. I feel like wolf Seanzie would have tried to play out a misyeet attempt against myself, but now he has moved on to other (rather silly) areas. I don't see someone with 4 dead packmates do that

I also have been spewed town situationally like 4 times, but okay. If you want to ignore that?

[mightyrunner7]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Everyone whose name does not start with M or S must be elim'd.

This post is the main reason I took Seanzie out of my POE. I feel like wolf Seanzie would have tried to play out a misyeet attempt against myself, but now he has moved on to other (rather silly) areas. I don't see someone with 4 dead packmates do that

I also have been spewed town situationally like 4 times, but okay. If you want to ignore that?

I'm not ignoring anything, I'm just not spending much more time analyzing you when there are more attractive alternatives at the moment

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Everyone whose name does not start with M or S must be elim'd.

This post is the main reason I took Seanzie out of my POE. I feel like wolf Seanzie would have tried to play out a misyeet attempt against myself, but now he has moved on to other (rather silly) areas. I don't see someone with 4 dead packmates do that

I also have been spewed town situationally like 4 times, but okay. If you want to ignore that?

Maybe mighty just did not see these alleged incidents.

[mightyrunner7]

[VOTE: Miranda] aubergine

I keep struggling "Noob vs Wolf", but in comparing SAR to Miranda, I gotta say Miranda looks worse.

The fact that she was the first to follow Mac on the Santy counter wagon is concerning. Other both Miranda and SAR made attempts to save genny, I find Miranda's to be more egregious.

I'll keep mulling on this, but I want to lock something in before bed

[Sloonei]

I will do my best to ISO at least SAR and Miranda before this phase ends. I’d also like to take a closer look at Mighty, SVS, and Dennis. But time is limited and I don’t know if I’ll be able to get to everybody.

[santygrass]

[VOTE: SARdoghandler] aubergine

Im fine with Sloonei. Pocketed by their ISOs (and mostly them quoting for me Lawpy sussing them)

I think Mighty is also back to being fine, but maybe not as fine as sloonei

[santygrass]

If EoD was rn rn , I maybe would vote Miranda. But I want to know SAR's take on miranda so maybe this way SAR will feel more urgency hmmyes

[santygrass]

Santy
Mayo

Neon
SVS

Nate
Dennis
Seanzie

Sloonei
Mighty

SAR
Miranda

[Seanzie]

Santy
Mayo

Neon
SVS

Nate
Dennis
Seanzie

Sloonei
Mighty

SAR
Miranda

Tell me about Nate and SVS

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: SARdoghandler] aubergine

Im fine with Sloonei. Pocketed by their ISOs (and mostly them quoting for me Lawpy sussing them)

I think Mighty is also back to being fine, but maybe not as fine as sloonei

I also think Falcon's super limp reactions to my prods on Day 1 should be taken as even more evidence that I am never partnered with him. for the record.

anyway i've decided to do some more isos right here and right now.

[Sloonei]

i'm skipping creature for now because I already ISO'd him in silence overnight after he flipped, and I didn't find it particularly informative. I might come back to him later because his ISO is short. But I'd rather start focusing on the POE right now.

[Sloonei]

Let's ISO Miranda

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[VOTE: @miranda920] aubergine

SDN ISO to follow, but not today

Sporty, why pls?

[VOTE: Miranda920] aubergine

why? btw hi, I'm miranda

Is it naive of me to say that Miranda looks good here because she introduced herself to Creature like that? Maybe. I don't know. I want to like this. It feels like a genuine greeting, which is less likely to exist if these two are werepartners. But that would be dependent on both of them having checked in and interacted in their secret lair pregame. I don't believe Creature would be the most lively person ever in pregame chat.

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@miranda920 Are you a Breedlove or a Seagull?

Excuse my ignorance, what is a Breedlove? I am neither

Scotty was pretty close with their guess! I was pretty impressed!

Miranda does not know how to respond to a Falcon non sequitur. Does this mean anything? Maybe. I just talked about this exchange a little bit in my Falcon ISO a couple hours ago. But as I've had time to reflect in my old age, I have an Updated Take. Miranda is a relative newbie to the game, by her own admission. If she is Falcon's partner, he is risking putting her (and himself) in a slightly awkward spot with this type of post. It means nothing and is difficult to follow, so it could very easily trip her up if he's trying to improvise a bit of theater with her in the thread. So, by that roundabout logic, I'm tempted to call this a good look for Miranda.

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@miranda920 Are you a Breedlove or a Seagull?

Excuse my ignorance, what is a Breedlove? I am neither

Scotty was pretty close with their guess! I was pretty impressed!

Do you have any thoughts of the game so far?

I’ve been at work all morning so I haven’t caught up really

I feel like Scotty is town, it feels like they really put a lot of thought as to which animals we are

I’m unsurprised that Santy is trying to push me

I feel like everyone always tone reads me as wolfy so, meh

I haven’t looked too much at anyone individually so I don’t have any reads for you ATM

Miranda's first extensive commentary of the game. This is a harmless post. There is nothing about it that can't be faked. But I find nothing objectionable in the content itself. Miranda is a relatively inexperienced player in a foreign setting. I would expect her to take some time developing reads on many of the unfamiliar faces. That she offers a positive read on Scotty, one of those unfamiliar faces, so readily is striking. But that's not a problem, and Scotty did make a bold impression with his animal reads list early in the game.

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@miranda920 Are you a Breedlove or a Seagull?

Excuse my ignorance, what is a Breedlove? I am neither

Scotty was pretty close with their guess! I was pretty impressed!

Do you have any thoughts of the game so far?

I’ve been at work all morning so I haven’t caught up really

I feel like Scotty is town, it feels like they really put a lot of thought as to which animals we are

I’m unsurprised that Santy is trying to push me

I feel like everyone always tone reads me as wolfy so, meh

I haven’t looked too much at anyone individually so I don’t have any reads for you ATM

Why is trying to figure out animals village exactly? Also, I think this is the chillest I've even seen you when getting pushed.

Well those were also reads given too, Scotty guess the animal and gave a read

I also am a lot less stressed in my life than I was last game when I was getting pushed. Maybe also just feeling a little better about WW in general, not as insecure.

Miranda justifies her town read on Scotty a bit. I don't know if I agree that Scotty's animal reads list also constituted a general reads list. That is a fair objection, though I can see a world where Miranda interpreted it as something resembling a reads list. It would probably have been worth it to ask Miranda what reads Scotty produced in that post. But the moment has probably passed.

I’m town reading because despite the reads being on NAI posts it felt like a genuine effort!

Alright, yeah, I think I'm settling on being okay with this. Miranda seems more enamored with Scotty's effort and energy than with his content. And that is fine and fair.

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Well those were also reads given too, Scotty guess the animal and gave a read

I also am a lot less stressed in my life than I was last game when I was getting pushed. Maybe also just feeling a little better about WW in general, not as insecure.

Is giving reads alone a village exclusive-trait? Especially on D0 when the "reads" were based nearly exclusively on NAI posts.

Like even the read he gave on you was because "you migrate a lot" and "hate mosquitoes".

It is not, but I did enjoy the post!

Okay, then why are you village reading him?

I’m town reading because despite the reads being on NAI posts it felt like a genuine effort!

You just got off a game where JJJ won by putting in genuine effort. On AI posts, no less. Why are you placated by this?

Ugh, but JJJ was giving me bad vibes! I was swayed either way, it’s not that deep
You asked me what my first impressions are and I gave them to you

Similarly, this response feels relaxed. I don't sense discomfort from Miranda in the face of some moderate Day 1 interrogation.

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One of the more challenging things for me will be remembering to come on this forum and navigating. So far I think I'm getting the hang of it here.
Outside of that, I think playing with new players will be challenging as I don't have any bias or know your metas.

How do you think you'll adjust to playing a game with so many unfamiliar faces and no known metas?

I don't think I'll change how I approach the game, but I kind of like that I don't have a set bias. One of the biggest reasons town lost in our last game was because known meta played a pretty influential role in how I voted at the end.
I had a very strong gut feeling on the last day that JJJ was our wolf, PSV can vouch as I told her in our PM I felt this way. However, our other fellow townie was dead set it was not JJJ because based on his previous games and meta it didn't seem likely and it fit more with PSVs meta. So... yeah, that biased opinion is what led me to misyeet PSV and I've been upset about it since lol

So I'm going to engage with players and go off of what I'm getting here in this thread.

Early-game Miranda seemed more preoccupied with her most recent game experience than with the current one. I can see a world where this is a good look, actually. If Miranda is mafia in a new setting right now, she's probably gonna be hyper-conscious of how she looks and how she's acting. I don't get the sense that that is happening in her responses to my questions here. She seems fully relaxed, answering my questions honestly as I drop them on her. They're not super informative as it pertains to this game right here and right now, but they do give good insight into her mentality. Which is really all that I was looking for with these questions anyway. So kudos, I like these responses in hindsight.

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Okay, I’m having trouble getting quotes to work and I’m currently sitting in an airport terminal.

But a take away I had from my reading was the interaction between Zenge and Sporty in regards to me

We’ve established I’m pretty new to WW, but I don’t think there is anyone who has reliably tone read me across games.

I’m going this way because of the reaction Sporty had to Zenge questioning her, which did come off quite defensive.

[VOTE: SportPonies] aubergine

Also do think it’s strange we haven’t heard much from Santy

Miranda's first vote is for SportPonies, because of something that happened in their exchange with Zenge. I don't really know what Miranda is referring to. It's not that important at this stage. The vote, on the surface, is nothing out of the ordinary for a relatively new player on Day 1 of a game where they don't know half the roster.

The Santy call out feels a little more questionable, though. I'm not sure why it's there and it doesn't achieve much more than just throwing shade on a player. I remember Miranda returning to this point RE: Santy's absence later on and found it highly questionable.

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Okay, I’m struggling to keep up

I can see falcon and zenge are going back and forth
The push seems pretty town for Zenge
I don’t have enough familiarity with falcon to determine if their responses are more town or wolf, so undetermined there

I don’t know what to make of 3 NKs

I’m going to try my best tonight to get some solid reads out, but full disclosure - I’m going to see T Swift tomorrow night and won’t be here for EOD
Going to do as much as I can before then!

Miranda isn't afraid to acknowledge the Falcon vs. Zenge kerfuffle. That's almost a good look. But it's not quite, because she says absolutely nothing about Falcon in doing so. The Zenge read also mirrors what everyone else in the thread was saying at the time.

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@miranda920 If you had to vote for somebody this instant, who would it be and why?

Hmmm, see I don’t feel like I have enough to really put down a vote I’m confident in

If I’m on the spot, I’d say Santy is suspiciously absent and that warrants some investigating
Do I feel confident in that? No, but that’s where I’m at

Why is santy’s absence suspicious? You and others have commented that they would usually be highly involved regardless of alignment.

Exactly, it’s weird that he’s absent
It’s completely out of character

Is it alignment-indicative for santy to be absent?

Maybe?

Here is the exchange I referenced a moment ago about Miranda returning to her Santy suspicion. I object to this early-game read at face value, and tried to make that clear. But, at the same time, I don't hate Miranda's response. She, again, feels totally unbothered by the pressure I'm putting on her. If she's mafia, I might expect her to want to be more appeasing or feel a stronger urge to justify herself. "Maybe? " is as nonchalant a response as one can give in this situation.

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So I did a quick iso of Nate and marmot since that seemed to be a place of some discussion

I don’t feel strongly about marmot, I lean town there
Nate doesn’t seem particularly wolfy, but the seemingly random vote for Dennis was a little weird

I don’t think they’re paired
I’d say Nate seems less town than marmot IMO

I’m going to look into creature and falcon next

People were talking about Marmot and Nate as suspects. Miranda takes a look and isn't really feeling the case on either of them, though she leaves the door open for a Nate vote. Not the best look, but she's at least not being overtly opportunistic here.

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Okay, from what I can see there is not a lot that Creature has input into the game so far

They voted for me early on last day cycle because they were least impressed by me, but I don’t think they’ve done anything remarkable either…
Does that necessarily mean scum? Possibly.

It seems like they might just be busy with RL, which same, so if that is the case I don’t want to go there right now because I can relate to that

This starts out looking like a decent post from Miranda regarding Creature, but then she walks back the would-be suspicion by citing Creature's alleged busy-ness. Meh.

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So I did a quick iso of Nate and marmot since that seemed to be a place of some discussion

I don’t feel strongly about marmot, I lean town there
Nate doesn’t seem particularly wolfy, but the seemingly random vote for Dennis was a little weird

I don’t think they’re paired
I’d say Nate seems less town than marmot IMO

I’m going to look into creature and falcon next

I'm confused where you're getting the town lean on marmot?
Nate just feels like Nate to me.

Nothing that marmot has said has felt wolfy to me, you don’t have to agree with me

Man, knowing Marmot's alignment would help a lot right here. If Marmot is town, this is a good look. If Marmot is mafia, it's bad. But we can't know, so

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Actually Miranda's push on santy gave me a

Multiple people said that it was NAI for them to go absent, but then miranda sussed santy for it, and then seemed to change their mind when shut down??

I didn’t say it was wolfy per say, I just said it was weird
I said that even before sloonei put me on the spot

I also very clearly said I didn’t have any other reads at that moment if you paid attention

Kinda getting into semantics here, but I continue to not hate Miranda's responses to the criticism she faced for noting Santy's absence. I asked her where should be voting if she needed to cast a vote, and she named Santy, citing his absence. Multiple people pointed out that this should not be regarded as suspicious, and Miranda's response was essentially to say that she agrees, and that she only pointed out because it was strange. The framing of my question was meant to be "Who is the most suspicious person in this game?", but Miranda may have taken it another direction. Maybe this is backpedaling after a misstep. Or maybe it's just Miranda being on a different page than some other people.

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creature *should* be a polarized player that hates wolfing, is not as good at wolfing as towning, hyper posts as town and likes to get depressed and post that town depression itt, and go under the radar as mafia (these arent my takes, im echoing what i know is the consensus on how to read him)

it lines up with his ISO + it lines up with my thought that the wolfteam here has people from different communities who dont know each other, making it awkward / out of comfort zone to wolf together with so many unfamiliar faces

so players who hate wolfing already will probably be extremely demotivated to wolf in this game

This is interesting, I didn’t find creature’s ISO to be particularly sus, but if what you’re saying is true to how they usually approach these games then that lines up with what we are seeing

Miranda appears to be on board with the idea of voting for Creature. But this is at a point where bussing Creature would have made complete sense.

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creature *should* be a polarized player that hates wolfing, is not as good at wolfing as towning, hyper posts as town and likes to get depressed and post that town depression itt, and go under the radar as mafia (these arent my takes, im echoing what i know is the consensus on how to read him)

it lines up with his ISO + it lines up with my thought that the wolfteam here has people from different communities who dont know each other, making it awkward / out of comfort zone to wolf together with so many unfamiliar faces

so players who hate wolfing already will probably be extremely demotivated to wolf in this game

This is interesting, I didn’t find creature’s ISO to be particularly sus, but if what you’re saying is true to how they usually approach these games then that lines up with what we are seeing

You didn't find him voting for you for no reason four minutes into the day at least odd?

I did, I believe I addressed it in a recent post

I added that they voted me for being unremarkable, but they too have been pretty unremarkable in this game

Here's another of an example of a poster where I could see a world where Miranda is mafia, but it's just as easy to see it as her simply being on a different page. SVS indicates that Miranda should have been more critical of Creature earlier. Miranda responds by saying she was critical of him, but apparently not to the same standards that SVS (and others) would approve of.

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I'm interested in why @Seanzie is on SAR, she doesn't feel overtly scummy to me

I'm currently torn on where to put my vote and I don't have much time left before I need to leave for Taylor Swift!

A few previous posts have indicated that Miranda and SAR are fairly close in the context of mafier games. So it makes sense that Miranda would be hyper aware of SAR suspicion in the thread. I think this is a good, natural look from Miranda.

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Okay, I’m going to go marmot here
I don’t have time to really look into the other options since I’m literally in the stadium for the concert now

If I’m wrong then I’ll vote creature next cycle

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

Miranda votes for Marmot over Creature. Is this a good look? Not sure. But we are 100% on Creature's alignment, so the best I can say is that Miranda decidedly did not contribute to Creature's demise. But Creature wasn't really in a position to be saved, and I actually think his teammates would have been more willing to bus him for credit than to attempt to save him. (Here's the point in the ISO where I hit pause to go check the poll results, and... Falcon was on Creature, Genny was on Falcon, and Lawpy was off wagon with a Mayo vote. The Marmot wagon was just Miranda and Dennis. There was no coordinated save attempt, but Miranda's vote came 4 hours before the deadline. Meh, I don't love the vote but I can't call it terrible either. It's a mildly bad look.

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I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

This actually feels like a genuine slip. I believe he didn't know Creature had the role. But I also want to know why you dismissed the idea completely @NateTheLesser?

this is interesting...

How did you come across this post? It's a few pages into the day. Just curious.

I was reading through the pages? I can read lol
Just because I don’t quote a lot doesn’t mean I don’t read what is being said

It's not unfair for Miranda to have pulled this quote out in a vacuum. But it is questionable that Miranda singled out this post, and only this post, while apparently reading back through the thread. Surely there were other things she could have commented on as well.

I don't object to SVS's pressure in this post, and I also sense some real discomfort from Miranda for the first time. That could be a combination of real life stress and agitation for feeling like she's being questioned unfairly. But I've previously felt good about Miranda because of her calmness in the face of pressure, and that is notably changed here.

@miranda920 can you tell me about your current view? Like, who are your confident reads / try to sort people into town/scum ?

Dont think you trying to shiel/explain yourself on why you did for being pressed on time or whatever will make me feel better about you, so I think taking a different stance and try to solve/put your thought on the game will help me more

Lawpy - lean wolf
Genny - neutral, Genny is always a challenging read for me
Mayo - neutral, leaning more town
MR7 - town
Nate - neutral, unsure there are some iffy things
Santy - surprisingly you seem town to me, but you could easily good me
SAR - leans town
Dennis - neutral
Tutuu - seems townie
Mac - also seems town
Neon - feels town
SVS - neutral (also I promised I will get you those quotes when I have access to my laptop)
Seanzie - unsure, nothing has stood out to me about them
Sloonei - I’ve generally felt fine about them

This is handy, thanks Santy. I've left this one unspoilered and added colors to make it easier to analyze Miranda's reads list. Colors reflect flipped player's true alignments, underlined reads are ones that Miranda got right (I included myself for my own sake. I'm tempted to also treat Nate and Mayo as lock town, but I won't.) The only flip Miranda didn't get right here is Genny, who she had as "neutral". Granted, tutuu and mac were super easy. I think Lawpy was also fairly obvious at this point in the game as well. So it is difficult to give Miranda too much credit for that.

I disagree wholeheartedly with the Nate read. If that isn't explained at some point in this ISO, I'd like Miranda to talk some more about Nate today.

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I'm still working on reading through from the beginning of the day cycle before I place my vote, but I wanted to reply because you addressed me

I have you as lock town because I don't see a scenario where wolf!mighty gets a post restriction like you had

Well this is an interesting take. If Miranda is mafia, she probably needs Mighty to be a suspect. But Miranda is out here firmly pushing a town read on mighty that hasn't been too widely circulated in the thread. This is not rock solid, and I could make some arguments for why it does not need to point to Miranda being town. But if I'm forced to make a read one way or the other, I'd say this is a mildly good look for Miranda.

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Read through this cycle more closely and based on the interactions between mayo and lawpy I am going with a lawpy yeet. The role-claim and general tone of lawpy appear off and a bit outing.

[VOTE: Lawpy] aubergine

Miranda votes for Lawpy at a time when everybody and their mother was voting for Lawpy.

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I would like to see more from @genny and @Seanzie, but that would be a little hypocritical of me as I've been pretty MIA too (sorry, I sometimes take on a little more than I can truly handle)

I think this unsolicited ping is the first time Miranda has mentioned Genny all game. Seanzie too, but he's less relevant for the purposes of this exercise. But maybe it's not strictly irrelevant that Seanzie is here at all. Sometimes when mafiers want to call out a teammate or say something negative about a teammate, they'll sandwich it in a similar complaint about another player. It's like player salad, but different. It's player sandwiching. I allege that Miranda might be sandwiching Genny here.

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Can you elaborate on Nate? As in, what iffy things you recall?

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

This actually feels like a genuine slip. I believe he didn't know Creature had the role. But I also want to know why you dismissed the idea completely @NateTheLesser?

This was pingy to me

Why does this make Nate suspicious? Nate being unaware of Creature's role would be a town slip, not a mafia slip, wouldn't it?

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This also stood out to me. This was the only post from her catch up. She has said this before; just be3casue she isn't posting doesn't mean she's not reading. I get it, I'm not a prolific poster myself. But the whole point of this is to read AND to post your opinions. Reading without posting doesn't seem a winning strategy.

Is this the norm for her at SDN? I feel like I'm shouting in the wilderness here, becasue I really do think she is woofy.

I'm sorry, I feel like a total failure for not really being able to participate in the way I want to. :sad:
It probably wasn't the best idea for me to participate knowing that this week was going to be insane for me, but we're here now so I'm trying to make it work

I have been trying to read post in ride between farms, but single is terrible and then I get pulled away. I'm also trying to make a good impression with these veterinarians as they can help me in the future. I'm just trying to get across that this is not how I usually play, I'm not a high poster by any means but generally I have more time to engage and really understand what's happening. I'm really struggling to grasp at what is happening and that's why I have so many neutral reads because I just haven't had the opportunity to really dig deeper.

So for all of this, I am sorry!

I am not sure what to make of this response. I believe Miranda's emotional response to this pressure 100%. I think she is being completely honest when she says she is disappointed with her activity level, but that it's been unavoidable. I think she really does feel bad for letting the game down, in a sense. But I don't think that any of this speaks to her alignment. She could make this post as town. She could make this post as mafia. I think there should also be an implicit town read on SVS here, just based on the way Miranda has reacted to her pressure at various points throughout this game.

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To be clear when I say slip I meant townslip, or moreover "not with creature slip". What's pingy about it?

I misinterpreted that then

Then I have to question how and why that post was interpreted any differently.

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Also, @miranda920 , do you have any thoughts on Sean or Genny?

Genny is from your home forum, any meta thoughts on her play here vs her known townie play, that those of us from TS might be unaware of?

See you guys later, shower & work

I’m about to head out for the day too

Thoughts… I’ll need to iso Sean but I feel similarly about both Sean and Genny
It doesn’t feel like they have been around much
I know I’ve been busy, but I think I’ve probably contributed more (don’t quote me on that)

To speak about Genny, this is how she plays, she was town in our last game together and I don’t see any changes from that game to this one
I know that does help solve, but that’s just how Genny rolls

This direct defense of Genny is not very inspiring.

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Here I'll give you some updated reads, although not too much has changed

Genny - neutral, I'm not saying to give Genny the benefit of the doubt but she really could go one way or the other
Mayo - town, I don't see mayo outing a packmate this late in the game
MR7 - town, for reasons I've already specified
Nate - leaning town now, I feel better about Nate a gut feeling
Santy - I'm still putting santy as town, but Santy is a great wold
SAR - leans town, but that's only because I am inherently biased
Dennis - neutral
Mac - I'm not sure on mac anymore, their reads feel kind of all over the place
Neon - feels town
SVS - I want to look at you more closely
Seanzie - leaning more wolf as I don't feel they have given much
Sloonei - seems fine

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

with that I am off to dinner, don't expect to hear back from me anytime soon

Oof, I dislike this post. The reads list does not change much from the previous one, but the changes that are made are not good ones. Some doubts have crept in about Mac. Bleh. Seanzie is suddenly, and without substantiation, looking bad. Meanwhile, Genny continues to not look bad despite being an even less-involved player then Seanzie. I also don't know how to feel about the non-read on SVS. As I said earlier, I feel like Miranda's deferential tone in response to SVS throughout the game suggests that she feels SVS's pressure is coming from a genuine and honest place. That should suggest a town read. I want to know what is preventing Miranda from having that read.

The list is capped off with a Seanzie vote. Prior to this post, my GTH read on Miranda would have been town. After this post, I might have changed my mind.

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Here I'll give you some updated reads, although not too much has changed

Genny - neutral, I'm not saying to give Genny the benefit of the doubt but she really could go one way or the other
Mayo - town, I don't see mayo outing a packmate this late in the game
MR7 - town, for reasons I've already specified
Nate - leaning town now, I feel better about Nate a gut feeling
Santy - I'm still putting santy as town, but Santy is a great wold
SAR - leans town, but that's only because I am inherently biased
Dennis - neutral
Mac - I'm not sure on mac anymore, their reads feel kind of all over the place
Neon - feels town
SVS - I want to look at you more closely
Seanzie - leaning more wolf as I don't feel they have given much
Sloonei - seems fine

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

with that I am off to dinner, don't expect to hear back from me anytime soon

Okay ask me stuff

Eh I actually do feel fine about you in reflection, momentary lapse of judgement

I see you feel like SVS, Dennis, and neon are townie, but you aren’t sure
What makes you hesitate?

The Mac doubts have vanished.

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Eh I feel fine keeping my vote on Seanzie because the exact reason I’m voting there is similar to why I’d vote for genny

I’ve woofed with santy in my only wolf game and I generally find he’s challenging to read. He could easily fool me, I think he’s got a pretty consistent tone in either role. I think Mac makes a pretty good argument for a santy vote.

This would feel like a very convoluted excuse not to vote for Genny, if Miranda's very next post (albeit several hours later) was not a vote for Genny.

... but then she jumps ship when another candidate emerges:

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Would much rather chop Santy than Genny after my iso dive that literally nobody bothered to read which shows he is blatantly partnered with Falcon.

I’m down for a santy yeet

[VOTE: Santy] aubergine

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@genny where are your thoughts right now? Who do you think if woofin?

Generic prod. Beep boop. First attempted interaction with Genny all game, I think. Not inspiring.

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@genny where are your thoughts right now? Who do you think if woofin?

can i give you my thoughts if i'm not woofin? lol

i feel like the village has been pretty accurate thus far in sniffing out wolves (aside from myself), so i don't think i'd go outside the consensus POE.

I made a typo and hoped no one noticed because I’m not sure if I can edit my post lol

So if not you, then who between Santy and Seanzie?

Genny does not supply an answer. Miranda presses a little further. It's better than nothing, but still nothing beyond generic pressure.

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I was lowkey hoping to die tonight . Why my suffering has to continue

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Hello I feel better about you now

Hihi, I'm glad. When you can , give another look at miranda?

Like , is their tone really villagey?? I'm hung up too with thei rrad progression on me, and I think you are better suited to make a call there rather than me

Call me a follower, but I felt the points Mac made about you did influence me

genny was an easy choice for elimination, and I did have my vote on her earlier in the day cycle

And we're caught up to the present day. I have questions for Miranda which I'll ask in a separate post just so things are easier to look at.

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Final thoughts: I was feeling good about Miranda through the first 2/3rds of this ISO. I thought there were several moments where she looked downright good. That all started to change around Day 3 when she started to give questionable reads that have not felt aligned with the (so far successful) solving efforts of the town. I cannot remove her from my POE, although there were a handful of moments in here where I wanted to.

[Sloonei]

@miranda920 Don't feel pressured to read all of that nonsense I just wrote about you. I have a few direct questions for you, and am more interested in how you respond to these than anything else.

1) Can you elaborate on your read of Nate, both at earlier stages in the game, and right now? I am particularly interested with how you interpreted this post from Mac about Nate's "slip" which was actually a town slip.

2) What is preventing you from having a read on SVS? You have interacted with her more than just about anyone else over the last few phases of the game. She has been the one leading the bandwagon against you, and I've felt like your responses to her suggest that you feel like she's approaching you from an honest perspective. Yet you have repeatedly listed her as "neutral" whenever asked to share a read. How do you feel about SVS and the way she has put pressure on you?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Miranda] aubergine

I keep struggling "Noob vs Wolf", but in comparing SAR to Miranda, I gotta say Miranda looks worse.

The fact that she was the first to follow Mac on the Santy counter wagon is concerning. Other both Miranda and SAR made attempts to save genny, I find Miranda's to be more egregious.

I'll keep mulling on this, but I want to lock something in before bed

You openly admit to sheeping Mac but think it's a bad look for someone else to do it?

I also sheeped Mac tbh tbh.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Miranda still town. Sauce: a magic 8ball told me.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I wanna ask a question. Is anyone besides me actually town reading Miranda?

[Sloonei]

I wanna ask a question. Is anyone besides me actually town reading Miranda?

I was for a hot minute there during the ISO. Did the Magic 8 Ball give you a more detailed response?