Fleabag Mafia mafia win

[G-Man]

This makes it sound like both of you want the fruit vendor (if not TSP) to claim and likely get chopped just to verify TSP's claim.

Yes.
If you are fruit vendor, you know TSP is scum, and by not claiming, you're making a huge mistake.
Are you fruit vendor?

There's also no guarantee that TSP is scum by claiming fruit vendor if he really isn't. Civvies often counter-claim (or really multi-claim) to shield the real power role, like what you did with the watcher role. We won't learn that alibi unless someone counters Tony, I get that. If Tony is not really the fruit vendor, then he should probably rescind his claim now too, right?

No, I am not the fruit vendor. Like I said when you fake-claimed watcher, the only power role I could be is the sleepwalker, but I have no way of knowing if I am.

[Dyslexicon]

Then I'm just going to assume Tony is fruit vendor and town. Which is what is actually relevant here.

[Marmot]

Well, if someone claims fruit vendor today

1) That was a mistake to wait until today

2) I'm voting for them immediately


We have little margin for error, I agree G-Man. But we also can't just ignore it if someone claims. If TSP is actually mafia and not the real fruit vendor, we lose if they don't claim (or we wait until they flip from a nightkill or something)

You absolutely HAVE TO CLAIM if you are fruit vendor.

This makes it sound like both of you want the fruit vendor (if not TSP) to claim and likely get chopped just to verify TSP's claim. Just because there is no counter-claim for fruit vendor doesn't necessarily mean that TSP is confirmed. He's still going to just be the presumed fruit vendor. I get where your minds are running with this, as a counterclaim now would force us to reevaluate and possibly reform the POE. I just think the day will be more constructive if we try to pick apart the known baddie's ISO rather than sweating over the neutered fruit vendor.

That's correct.

Dizzy was pointing out that you have the claimed vendor in your tinfoil category, and wanted to make sure you knew he had claimed.

I was also stating my thoughts on the matter, which are pretty cut-and-dry. I'm not sweating the matter.

[Marmot]

Just gonna put these here.

Do Dolby and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

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From Dolby

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Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I'm gonna ignore any followup until I'm done with Anarch

Watcher claim and encouraging Fruit Vendor to out are kinda towny.

staypositiveffiend
Sloonei

TonyStarkPrime

Son of Anarch

More people please

Being concerned about others read on you. Bad look

Susses LC for piggybacking JJJ. A good look that they both had similar thoughts towards the slot.

Having a catchup post is towny and I'd rather crash than read it

I think that the TSP vote is unnatural coming from scum and moving against a potential pocket.

Don't like the sig vote but apparently a number of people agree with it so won't hold it against him

Scum in 0 posters is a yikes

I think he comes off better between him and sig

I want to sleep

Dizzy - looking back I think that some of the stuff that I'm worried about with JJJ applies here
falcon - don't remember a word they've said rn
G-man - same
ilario - towny, triad 2 posts better than posts near start of game
JJJ - have some level of paranoia towards here. This is most relevant in a world where G-Man and Jo are both town
Johanna - null. I don't think their day two entrance changes anything for me wrt to her either (there may be good JJJ points here). The only thing that looks even remotely bad is her characterization of TSP's behavior.
LC - vibes
Marmot - can be town
NAA - hank_scorpio_fire.gif
SOA - vibes
Sloonei - probs good
TSP - town (obv)

gn

I kinda just like LC on skim

I want them to articulate how they feel about Anarch but that's about it

Dolby turned sig's suspicion of SoA into his own suspicion of sig. Classically this might be called a chainsaw defense, and it's not the best look. Dolby's review of SoA himself is pretty limited and ends in positive feedback "vibes". I don't know why he brought up Anarch in that last post referencing Lime Coke.

From Son of Anarch

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Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

(perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

-------

Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

I do like your team theory kinda. I'm unsure about Dolby bein' there because I thought the day 1 content was good. Day 2 hasn't been as great, so I'll give ya that.

I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

For the first time in these reviews I find myself actually moved by real suspicion. These are not encouraging posts and I think quite supportive of SoA and Dolby as mafia partners. The initial reads list is whatever. Dolby is in the second-highest tier. That's at least questionable but not necessarily terrible. The other three posts all stand out to me in a bad way though. Dolby gets the token "maybe" placement among SoA's four town reads, and it would form an inverse player salad. The next post about my team theory dissuades the inclusion of Dolby as mafia while simultaneously giving a reason to suspect him. The final post again dissuades a mafia read of Dolby before providing a counter-justification. These are not pretty caveats.

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Do they fit?

Yes, SoA and Dolby fit togther well. If one is mafia I think the other is a high prospect to be with him.

Do falcon45ca and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

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From falcon45ca

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Hey all. Just caught up on the thread, some thoughts below

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Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hi, Son. Hope I can call you Son, cause I think that's kind of funny.

I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently single and looking to mingle. And I was wondering if you wanted to go on a date with me? It would entail peace and love and good things, and us never voting each other this game. You are town, and I am town. Let me know kk *squeaks and runs*

Hey there Dyslexicon. I'm lookin' forward to playing this game with you. Unfortunately, don't think my girlfriend would want me to be going on any dates with someone else so I'm gonna have to turn ya down there. And well... Can't promise you I'll never vote you this game, but I gotta say I like the free-flowing thought pattern you seem to be exhibiting here so I probably won't be votin' you any time soon unless you get on my bad side.he

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Ya know, I'm thinkin' this response to me is actually kinda bad. It's one of your first posts and already you're sayin' you hate my posts because you're against the general philosophy of 'em instead of saying you just disagree with the approach. That's kinda something I think wolves are more prone to do. They'll try to magnify something that might not be agreeable and make it seem like the post is bad when in actuality it's just a disagreement in playstyle. But I'm a nice guy, so I'm gonna give you a chance.

@ShēpInWolfsClothing what about the post is bad other than your disagreement of it?

@TonyStarkPrime care to explain your townreads on sig and falcon? Gotta say I disagree with at least sig for reasons I describe up top, no real opinion on falcon as of yet.

And also why I'm on the subject:

@falcon45ca Why'd ya specifically call out that crowd with their townreads? I'd say there's been quite a few players this game that have been ridin' the town read train, includin' myself a bit.

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

Who else has been posting huge town reads list? I'll puke all over their shoes too

Sig's defensive reaction ain't good... Kinda yikes if ya ask me.

Redundant. If it ain't good, you don't need to also tell us it's yikes.


Why do I feel you're trying to sell me something?

Sig's defensive reaction ain't good... Kinda yikes if ya ask me.

Redundant. If it ain't good, you don't need to also tell us it's yikes.


Why do I feel you're trying to sell me something?

Also I'm thinkin' there's probably a scum in the 0-posters. Not sure if mafia the syndicate is the same, but on mafia scum a ton of folk hate randin' mafia to the point where they'll barely post. It can get pretty annoyin' and well... we've got three guys here not speakin' and I don't feel super bamboozled yet. I think I'm gonna make an enemy out of anyone who comes into the thread now.

Pushing low posters D1? Never seen scum do that before...

[VOTE: Ilario] aubergine

This chop won't happen.
If you had to choose between the people having votes already, who would it be?
Also what's your thoughts on Sig?

Not with that kind of attitude.


GTH sig is town

What’s he done to “earn” your town read?

He hasn't, a GTH read from me is the same as a gut read.


I feel he'd come across more agenda-y if he were Maf

Son of Anarch - Doesn't come across as overly wary or shy about approaching the game & giving reads.

[etc trustfall snip...]

hello. i didn't get to see EOD. work has me so swamped. who died

I have a sneaking suspicion that Nanook tagged you (like he did everybody) and you can go check for yourself.



It's D3, derp clears are for D1

I honestly didn't think tags did anything on this site but thanks for the passive-aggression bud

Sorry about that.




I wasn't trying to be passive.

Thanks for doing those everyone.

@falcon45ca, how do you feel about the solve I proposed? From your perspective only one of the possible teams can be correct.

I'm sorry, what's the solve?

From this
and this

I determined the mafia team must be either:

Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke, falcon
or
Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke, Son of Anarch

Oh ok.

I don't think LC is Maf, doesn't feel right, ditto SOA. I'd put ilario in their spot Otherwise this is a POE I can work with.

I'd actually put Dizzy in over SOA.


Ilario, Dolby, Dizzy, G-Man is my POE atm

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?

I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?


Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

There are some moments here where falcon treats SoA with a bit of a sharp edge. I am inclined to temper any assessment of that given that falcon's M.O. is to treat everyone with a sharp edge. It doesn't seem to lead anywhere of note. You'll see that between 14 Sep and 16 Sep, falcon's perception of SoA shifts from "not worthy of the POE, Dizzy goes in over him" to "in the POE". That splits around the Lime Coke mischop. The last sentence of the last post emerges again; I mentioned it when assessing falcon/Dolby. It'd be kinda funny if he encouraged a tie between his teammates given that he literally wouldn't care which one goes. I won't speculate too much. This stuff is overall kinda wet fish.

From Son of Anarch

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Hey all. Just caught up on the thread, some thoughts below

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Spoiler: show

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hi, Son. Hope I can call you Son, cause I think that's kind of funny.

I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently single and looking to mingle. And I was wondering if you wanted to go on a date with me? It would entail peace and love and good things, and us never voting each other this game. You are town, and I am town. Let me know kk *squeaks and runs*

Hey there Dyslexicon. I'm lookin' forward to playing this game with you. Unfortunately, don't think my girlfriend would want me to be going on any dates with someone else so I'm gonna have to turn ya down there. And well... Can't promise you I'll never vote you this game, but I gotta say I like the free-flowing thought pattern you seem to be exhibiting here so I probably won't be votin' you any time soon unless you get on my bad side.he

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Ya know, I'm thinkin' this response to me is actually kinda bad. It's one of your first posts and already you're sayin' you hate my posts because you're against the general philosophy of 'em instead of saying you just disagree with the approach. That's kinda something I think wolves are more prone to do. They'll try to magnify something that might not be agreeable and make it seem like the post is bad when in actuality it's just a disagreement in playstyle. But I'm a nice guy, so I'm gonna give you a chance.

@ShēpInWolfsClothing what about the post is bad other than your disagreement of it?

@TonyStarkPrime care to explain your townreads on sig and falcon? Gotta say I disagree with at least sig for reasons I describe up top, no real opinion on falcon as of yet.

And also why I'm on the subject:

@falcon45ca Why'd ya specifically call out that crowd with their townreads? I'd say there's been quite a few players this game that have been ridin' the town read train, includin' myself a bit.

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

Hey all. Just caught up on the thread, some thoughts below

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Spoiler: show

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hi, Son. Hope I can call you Son, cause I think that's kind of funny.

I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently single and looking to mingle. And I was wondering if you wanted to go on a date with me? It would entail peace and love and good things, and us never voting each other this game. You are town, and I am town. Let me know kk *squeaks and runs*

Hey there Dyslexicon. I'm lookin' forward to playing this game with you. Unfortunately, don't think my girlfriend would want me to be going on any dates with someone else so I'm gonna have to turn ya down there. And well... Can't promise you I'll never vote you this game, but I gotta say I like the free-flowing thought pattern you seem to be exhibiting here so I probably won't be votin' you any time soon unless you get on my bad side.he

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Ya know, I'm thinkin' this response to me is actually kinda bad. It's one of your first posts and already you're sayin' you hate my posts because you're against the general philosophy of 'em instead of saying you just disagree with the approach. That's kinda something I think wolves are more prone to do. They'll try to magnify something that might not be agreeable and make it seem like the post is bad when in actuality it's just a disagreement in playstyle. But I'm a nice guy, so I'm gonna give you a chance.

@ShēpInWolfsClothing what about the post is bad other than your disagreement of it?

@TonyStarkPrime care to explain your townreads on sig and falcon? Gotta say I disagree with at least sig for reasons I describe up top, no real opinion on falcon as of yet.

And also why I'm on the subject:

@falcon45ca Why'd ya specifically call out that crowd with their townreads? I'd say there's been quite a few players this game that have been ridin' the town read train, includin' myself a bit.

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

Who else has been posting huge town reads list? I'll puke all over their shoes too

Eh... When I wrote that post I was mostly thinkin' about Lime Coke and myself, but you responded to Lime Coke while I was writing and I didn't see it. So I guess that explains that. Just curious now about why you hate townreads so much?

falcon has established a pretty deliberate “early town reads make me sick” reputation in recent memory. In this particular case I am not yet inclined to provide any credit for fitting into that very easy costume of self-built meta.

Need more.

So are you saying it's just for show or it's actually how he feels?

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Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

(perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

[VOTE: Ilario] aubergine

This chop won't happen.
If you had to choose between the people having votes already, who would it be?
Also what's your thoughts on Sig?

Not with that kind of attitude.


GTH sig is town

What’s he done to “earn” your town read?

Gotta agree with whoever said Falcon Man is being contrarian for the sake of contrarian. That read has me a bit puzzled compared to the other ones.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Now this might just be the spice I was talkin’ about

Alright Dizzy, I’m game.

[VOTE: Falcon Man] aubergine

A new triad emerges. Me, Dizzy, and Stayposi. I dub us the falcon killers

Ah man, can't say I'm stoked about that at all. My Internet was down until around this aftenoon so backreadin' wasn't really possible for me. I'm gonna say though that I still think Falcon Man's EOD wasn't the greatest and I'd like to hear some of the other thoughts on that.

Another interestin' thing is that if SPF is poisoned that might reflect well on the triad 'cause they were kinda all huddlin' together, yeah? Normally if you're tryin' to pocket someone you don't kill them. That's just a basic read though.

I just ran through the end of the day and frankly found it meaningless. That doesn't necessarily mean the posts cannot be assessed meaningfully, but that's why I don't care to play ketchup. The thread becomes a contextless void to me.

Would anyone be able to describe for me, as you saw it, the progression of events/posts/whatever that caused falcon to become a wagon? I poked in here and there when my phone was dying and saw votes on him, but had no context in the moment.

It's simple. Falcon Man at end of day voted Ilario, when my pal Dizzy told him no one was gonna vote Ilario he basically said that "you never know". Then when me and Dizzy gave him the ol' 1-2 vote and Stayposi joined in, he accused two of us of bein' mafia. One being me, as he scum read me earlier and the other person bein'... TBD... I don't think he ever clarified who the second scum on him was. So that gave me the confidence to just hold my vote and to watch what happened.

If someone could ask me a few questions or somethin' to help me get on some sorta track that'd be swell

What would you say has changed most about your view of the game, if anything, since sig flipped town?

To be fully honest, not that much. I think Sloonei got a little scummier to me 'cause I didn't like the way he was handlin' the discussion between me and sig. I think it's kinda weird how we had more than one person sayin' sig was explicitly town rather than sayin' he should have more time to post, I already find Falcon Man to be the most suspicious on that list to start with. Other than that, I'm not super shocked the dude flipped town. I'd need to examine the wagon too because there's probably at least one wolf on there considerin' how votes went. Overall, still feelin' pretty good about game and game state.

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

What are the chances this is 4 town?

Okay, so a few notes:

SoA's first few interactions with falcon are pretty neutral stuff and not suggestive of much. So it's noteworthy that SoA placed falcon in the second-highest tier of his reads list, suggesting some level of town read. That is immediately countered in the posts that follow with assertions of doubt, piggybacked from things other people said (e.g. "falcon is overly contrarian"). We see that SoA took an anti-falcon stance toward the end of Day 1, and dubbed his triad with Dizzy and ilario as "the falcon killers".

Then he didn't post again on Day 1. That was 1.5 hours prior to the deadline, and he didn't make another falcon-related post. He didn't make another post AT ALL. The leader of the falcon killers, or at least their namer, didn't do anything to make that name a reality. He did leave his vote on falcon, but I think it was evident to the people in the game that sig was most likely to be eliminated. So I award zero points, and kinda think it looks worse.

In the time that has followed EOD1 SoA's presence has taken a nosedive, so he's had no impact on matters of falcon or otherwise.

~~~

Do they fit?

Yes, I think they fit. They might even fit well given SoA's EOD1, but I am not as confident about this one as I was about Dolby/SoA.

Do G-Man and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

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From G-Man

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SOA
-39: experienced player- no passes needed (come at me?)
-41: can’t describe own play style? Odd.
-61: seeking pat on the head or open fishing- don’t force the lure
-63: “interesting” and agreeable
-88: over-equipped try-hard
-148: a bit Mac-like? Hard to pin this personality down
-355: speaking of magnifying things…
-453: feels like too much to explain what it does
-511: lol, come at me bro
-529: difference of cultures i hope
-542: a bit know-it-allish but also a lot of work if a baddie
-1057: don’t complicate the game? You need to think twisty early, just don’t overthink
-1103: “someone inspire me to make contributions”

SOA
The country-boy schtick takes some getting used to. He started out the game pretty confident- almost overconfident at times. At the same time, his early content seemed a bit too agreeable. Maybe not glommy, but agreeable for sure. He is another one that I feel gets a bit too explainy at times, which gives me pause. I don't need a perfect answer each time. Perfect is the enemy of the good. This post goes against my philosophy of trying to think like a baddie and outwit the sneaky plan you might not otherwise see coming. Some of his D1 work seemed a little much for a baddie, but perhaps he's just that confident in his game.

Transferring all that to solidify a 6-and-6 format, I arrive at these groupings (alphabetical order, not ranked):

TOWN:
-Dolby
-Dyslexicon
-Marmot
-NotAnAxehole
-Sloonei
-TonyStarkPrime


POE:
-Falcon
-Ilario
-JaggedJimmyJay
-Johanna
-Lime Coke
-SOA

G-Man found a lot of posts to criticize regarding SoA, and stated pretty clear suspicions in the larger reads list with some faint qualifiers. He then included SoA in his POE.

He has done absolutely nothing with that since. Yikes.

From Son of Anarch

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Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

(perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

-------

G-man
Johanna

-------

Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

That's it. G-Man makes the first reads list in the bottom five. Not a single sliver of follow-up except to tell me that my solve including G-Man should be doubted. Yikes.

~~~

Do they fit?

Yikes. They fit plenty. They fit bad.

Do Johanna and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

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From Johanna

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I know I said falcon is probably my #1 suspect but that's largely a function of not really having any. As I said, the ones who've made posts that struck me as odd in a bad way are Lime Coke and SoA.

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I'd like to call him Limey.

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But that'd be rude.

TSP definitely posted oddly, but not knowing them at all and given the consistency of it I am happy to chalk it up to posting style. Suggesting that a vt claim watcher was fantastic,

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Thanks Marmot, I forgot that over the night.

they defended someone who was basically tilted for their entire stay on thread and thus were an easy mischop. It was not clear then and I'm not sure why he didn't say his clear was based on meta, but he was right, and his D2 so far just makes him townier.

I hate how NAA is playing but I don't see reason to characterise that as scummy. Confrontational and antagonising, sure. Again I chalk it up to posting style, although in this case I don't think there are reasons to towncore him. Neither are there reasons to suspect him.

So falcon. Yeah, I don't have reasons to think he's a wolf per se, either, and especially now that it's become apparent he's not very well caught up. In my experience, wolves are just as often boldly pushing names as they are cute and cuddly,

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I mean, they are. falcon's main D1 point doesn't really hold.

but what they try to do is to be up to date.

I don't think I can in good conscience vote for a 2-poster. Nobody can say whether they're scum or not based on two posts. So you know, I'm not reading that slot, but it is true that if they don't show up soon they'll have to be up for the chop. I'm just saying give them a chance to show up.

That's the most questionable bit about NAA, his easy-going willingness to lock wolfreads on nothing but literal thin air.

I think the worst posts of yesterday were Lime's burst, although NAI, and SonofAnarch's "you mean you think our interation is t/t" post, which was awkward.

However the more consistently not so great person is falcon. I like some of the things he said and he raised some valid points (like pointing out said weird SoA post), but it is true that he is mostly being contrarian and that's easy to fake.

A priori he seems a good wolf candidate as someone with some thread presence who gets noticed but not a lot of attention.

I am actually intrigued by TSP. Either he was TMIng sig or he just had the right idea. I lean towards the second, at least for now.

Generally I think there have been bad posts and people with bizarre moments but nobody who has been overtly or outright scummy. Kind of glad I got to avoid having to make a bad choice, although I think I would have leant falcon. There has to be at least one wolf in the towncore (why not two) but I wouldn't know where to look.

Also, I kow understand why Dyslexicon gets abbreviated to Dizzy instead of Dys. That was too many posts...

I think the worst posts of yesterday were Lime's burst, although NAI, and SonofAnarch's "you mean you think our interation is t/t" post, which was awkward.

However the more consistently not so great person is falcon. I like some of the things he said and he raised some valid points (like pointing out said weird SoA post), but it is true that he is mostly being contrarian and that's easy to fake.

A priori he seems a good wolf candidate as someone with some thread presence who gets noticed but not a lot of attention.

I am actually intrigued by TSP. Either he was TMIng sig or he just had the right idea. I lean towards the second, at least for now.

Generally I think there have been bad posts and people with bizarre moments but nobody who has been overtly or outright scummy. Kind of glad I got to avoid having to make a bad choice, although I think I would have leant falcon. There has to be at least one wolf in the towncore (why not two) but I wouldn't know where to look.

Also, I kow understand why Dyslexicon gets abbreviated to Dizzy instead of Dys. That was too many posts...

This is one of those posts that doesn't say much with a whole lot of words.

Well I guess I lied, SoA would be my first suspect for a deepwolf precisely because of that weird post. They were pretty good for the rest of the day though, so I wouldn't jump there immediately.

I think I've said lots of things.

If what you want is reads I think SoA and Lime Coke are probably the most dubious consensus town reads, Dolby is a good bean so I want to see him around more, and I don't have anything to judge G-Man by.

TSP and SPF are my lock townreads, then JJJ, you (Sloonei), Dizzy, probably NAA goes here, Ilario, Dolby, Limey/SoA, falcon, I have no read on G-Man... and I completely forgot Marmot existed. Is that normal?

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It can't be normal

I think as stated yesterday, that JJJ and Sloonei are always the same alignment. Therefore, JJJ town.

Why is TSP alive is my biggest question. I'm not chopping an uncontested claim but still. I briefly voted G-Man after Dizzy's claim but I'm on No Vote as I try to sort out my thoughts.

I think in my first catch up post I already indicated SoA as a most likely wolf in the D1 towncore and D2 did not alleviate those suspicions so I am very happy to go there.

I always want to see more of Dolby, I stil feel like I haven't seen enough from him but I might need to bow to the consensus that he should be chopped.

I am very flip floppy on Falcon. He often feels performative but he also has many posts that ring honest.

I do not know G-Man.

I feel like J's PoE might contain up to three wolves rather than all four, but I really can't say who the fourth would be and who in the PoE would not be a wolf I think there's reasonable doubt on all of them to scum read them but also there is very little certainty.

Finally, I'm off

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to watch Dune.

Anyway, I'm voting [VOTE: SonofAnarch] aubergine for now.

I don't know if I'm ready to call G-Man scum yet. I think he was put in an unfair position to work out of given his inability to participate at all Day 1, and his presumably limited time to contribute since.

That said, I'd prefer a yeet of Son of Anarch, Dolby, or falcon, not necessarily in that order. I think they all have a lot more working against them based on their own behavior.

My preferred chop is SoA, but I'm not going to go on a vanity wagon. I share your same concerns and I have voiced them repeatedly.

[VOTE: Son of Anarch] aubergine

Johanna's immediate reception of SoA when she joined the game was a negative one, albeit vaguely so. She didn't promote his demise necessarily, though she is clearly doing so on Day 3. I wouldn't say this is super conclusive, but if it points anywhere it points toward non-alignment.

From Son of Anarch

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Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

(perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

-------

Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

-------

G-man
Johanna

-------

Lime Coke
TSP

-------

sig

Hey you know what, I appreciate the compliment Johanna. Callin' me a potential deep wolf is pretty flatterin', but I dunno if I have it in me to deceive all you nice folk the way I have been.

Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

Johanna opens in the SoA bottom five. That seems to undergo a stark change on Day 2, when she is a sort of "first alternate" on SoA's top town reads list just behind Dolby. The progression isn't there, and I tend to wonder if SoA gave up on the prospect of suspecting her given her general purity and improving thread presence. Take that with a grain of salt.

~~~

Do they fit?

I do wish I had a little more to talk about here. I think it looks okay from the SoA side and a little better than okay from the Johanna side with respect to dissociating the two of them, so that is where I will lean.

[Marmot]

Do ilario and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

Spoiler: show

From ilario

Spoiler: show

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hard town

Also 'sup Lime Coke. I've got a few thoughts floatin' around inside my noggin, but I'm gonna plead the fifth right now until things develop further. One thing I will say though is that it's interesting that two people have Sloonei as town so early.

Actually, now that I'm typin' I'm thinkin' that with meta n' stuff it makes sense, but it's kind of an interestin' read for Lime Coke to make. I think Jimmy gets credit for havin' the original read. Lime Coke, you're not a read thief now are ya?

I’m willing to bank the entire game on this game being town lmao

Man this game ain't spicy enough. You all are being way too careful. So ya know what? I'm gonna toss out a spicy take here and get a temp check:

I think Lime Coke's entrance to the thread was relatively safe in a wolf-y way. Man's dropped a townread on Sloonei after Jimmy already said he thought Sloonei was town and then half his explanation, as that nice lass StayPosi pointed out, was about somethin' to do with what Sloonei did after he made the read.

Oh yeah and as far as TSP goes. Well, I think I might be pickin' up what Sloonei is puttin' down here. Originally I was thinking in my head that TSP agreeing and changing his mind was kinda villagery, but now after Sloonei revealed the meta was fake, I'm almost wonderin' if TSP changed his mind to not try to outright disagree with the meta, but discredit it in a way.

Anyways, that's all I got for now. I'm pretty tired and my eyes are drooping... I'll probably still be stalkin' the thread because I'm doing some raids, but won't bother writing more until the morning.

100% agree on the lc read, Felt the same way

I might be leaning Ilario town based on vibes.

Dangerous as fuck to do that but I'm letting it rip.

I thought his catch up was pretty good. Why do you think it's dangerous to town lean him?

Why aren’t you worried that I’m pocketing you ? Normally people who haven’t played with me always react super paranoid when I start to tr them very strongly out of the blue

I might be leaning Ilario town based on vibes.

Dangerous as fuck to do that but I'm letting it rip.

I thought his catch up was pretty good. Why do you think it's dangerous to town lean him?

Why aren’t you worried that I’m pocketing you ? Normally people who haven’t played with me always react super paranoid when I start to tr them very strongly out of the blue

Because I know I'm townie as fuck. It doesn't surprise me if other people see that too. If you or anyone else who may be a wolf wanna pocket me they can go right ahead, I enjoy staying alive as long as possible in games. As I said, I'm not a noobie and I don't have an inherent distrust over early townreads like someone in the middle of their mafia career might have after being burned. I like to go with the flow and seeing what happens first.

Lmaoooo I love this

oh ok yeah i can see why it makes sense for fruit vendor to claim

Actually I take this back

If fruit vendor claims then soa will just get n1d

Fruit vendor hides and watcher should be on soa tonight imo

Watcher can maybe wifom onto jjj, he seems like the next most likely NK

Everyone reads SPF town. So maybe I should just read SPF town. It's very much possible she is just town.

I wouldn’t sponge my spf read this early fwiw

I tend to overplay my confidence in my early reads

My only tr that I genuinely believe is very unlikely to be mafia is soa

I’d say with the others im varying between 50-70% in confidence

If dylexicons plan as wolf was to have an almost identical catch up to mine and share so many similar ideas in an attempt to pocket me, then their plan has worked.

But given that they barely even know who I am, I doubt that i would be the designated pocket of choice for dyslexicon, so Occam’s razor states that this slot is most likely just town.

For people who have more experience with them feel free to let me know if I’m being to charitable with this read, it’s our first game together (of hopefully many more) and I have no idea what to expect of their wolf range.

My evil plan has been exposed! ABORT MISSION

I'm vibing back, and beyond your claim, makes me see town in you as well.
And as I'm sure you know, town needs to find town, and mafia will be toast with jam.

I'm very good as the mafia alignment, but it's not for "process" imo. But I'm sure others could tell you some ghost stories, but pay them no mind, they're just jelly.

got it! im putting u under soa and tied with jjj in my hierarchy of townreads

@Dyslexicon @Son of Anarch

Watcha both think of marmot?

I like his iso

Well it’s 2am here and imma go sleep. I have class early tomorrow but I’ll probably be able to get in for a bit to put a vote down. A lot can change between now and then and rather putting an uninformed vote I’m gonna trust my vote to the triad. @Son of Anarch @Dyslexicon my vote is all yours just ping me with your thoughts sometime towards eod and I’m Happy to sheep for today.

My only person poe rn probably looks
Something like tsp/lime(sadly this might be the first time I sr you on a day 1 like ever so I hope I’m not wrong)/maybe falcon or dolby, potentially sig?

But yeah I’d imagine a lot will change from now till eod so imma ride it out with the triad.

Ah man, can't say I'm stoked about that at all. My Internet was down until around this aftenoon so backreadin' wasn't really possible for me. I'm gonna say though that I still think Falcon Man's EOD wasn't the greatest and I'd like to hear some of the other thoughts on that.

Another interestin' thing is that if SPF is poisoned that might reflect well on the triad 'cause they were kinda all huddlin' together, yeah? Normally if you're tryin' to pocket someone you don't kill them. That's just a basic read though.

Ngl I have a bad habit of townreading people who push me when I think I’m being obvious town because it’s usually not an angle most mafia take. Though that pass is only valid for a day so imma need more than just that from falcon today

Also dyslexicon just said something that made me even more townier than soa for me

Okay maybe not more than soa, but Atleast the same

Sigs initial reaction to spfs note about his timing felt scummy to me and so did his first initial entry into the game.

Though in his spout with soa I saw glimpses of towny frustration

So yeah I’m not sure what my read is on this slot atm

I feel left out and hours apart. Can I be the blank space in the middle at least?

Me u and soa have our own triad

Why do you think I specifically tagged both of you in my recent post about marmot

We need a POE pool of 6 with all 4 mafia in it. That equates to needing 6 town reads (not including either oneself or SPF). At the moment that feels like a steep number to achieve. Quick exercise for anyone willing to engage:

If you had to bank the game on four people being town not including SPF, who would you choose?

Dizzy soa you and sloonei (though this is moreso sponging what u and dizzy say since I trust both ur reads)

Ilario, Falcon, Dolby, TSP, PRs all town.

If I were to do gun-to-head reads I think I'd agree with all four of these.

But I don't think it's probable that it's correct. If I have to yank a mafioso from that pile my first instinct is falcon.

Wait really??? Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t you tr dizzy sloonei lc and soa already

If you add those 4 names as well as spf and yourself there isn’t enough slots left for you to make up a scum team of 4??!!

Jjj confusing me now

I quite like Johanna actually. I like that she picked the exact same Anarch post as awkward that I did, I like that she didn't go "michop bad thread consensus bad" (though I don't know if that is actually AI or anything), and similar to Jimmay, I do have a slight positive lean on her not considering the watcher (though logically, this is probably a non-point)

I also kind of think Axe is town? I don't know his scum style though. It would have to be a bold one if scum. I probably don't have enough actual backup to call this, and meta digging is boring. What do you say, Axe?

And now I'm pretty sure I have way too many town leans, wow surprising

Please trust me on the triad. I feel very confident on you both being town, so much so that I would even consider getting myself elimmed if everyone agreed to sheep my legacy on you both for the rest of the game. This is partly why I think I’m being targeted today. I think there’s a conscious effort with the spf poison to try and frame me as mafia because the triad I helped build needs to be broken up. I also think I’m probably correct on my marmot tr and possibly even NAA. I am skimming the reasons people have brought to shade me today and they are all excessively weak, which means mafia feels like they HAVE to get rid of me soon and were probably too scared to target me at night due to the watcher so therefore have chosen this route instead.

No worries. I just don't see the need to complicate the game until necessary. I'm an agreeable enough guy, sure. Heck, me even writin' this post is pretty agreeable, wouldn't ya think? But I'll tell ya what, bein' scum and bein' agreeable here serves me no purpose. I prefer to be in the center of the action as wolf, gettin' lots of blood on my hands whenever possible. Probably a bit hard to believe, eh? I'm pretty chill right now, after all. That's because I've got no teeth like those scary wolves, heh

Kind of just believe this and Anarch is probably just town.

YASSSSSSSSSSSSS <3

I think Johanna seems town.

@ilario what is your present view of Son of Anarch?

Fell off today but still towny enough

@staypositivefriend I don’t expect you to out a legacy tr on me simply Due to our history of paranoia and tinfoil

But before you die the top 5 trs I feel confident in are dizzy soa Johanna as my top 3 and then probably marmot/NAA after

If you can legacy read the top 3 and review 4/5 that would leave town in a great spot once ur gone

Lc, jjj, you, Dolby maybe (?), tsp if he’s not the watcher,

I would like to see you grill jjj harder

Is the top line a list of names you are uneasy about?

I feel no need to grill Jay at present. He is town until further notice.

Yup pmuch

Why have Jay and I slid in your view? Either individually or as the unit that we are.

Also I am interested in your Lime Coke thoughts.

Lc is probably scum tbh

You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.


I did not factor dizzy into this because dizzy is

1-2 wolves in dolby/g-man, 1 wolf in illario/limecoke, 1-2 wolves in falcon/SoA/TSP

disagree on the last part

I still maintain that soa is more villagery than the jjj/sloonei duo and I’m willing to die on that hill

@ilario I’m not actually clear on why you suspect me. Is this sourced entirely in me wondering aloud about the SPF poisoning or are there other concerns?

If you want to worry about a “frame” that’s your prerogative. I would ask you to consider though what I have actually done with that, or more precisely what I haven’t done. If something enters my brain I will often voice it, because I value transparency and communication. That doesn’t mean though that I am going to take all of those individual thoughts and run with them. That rationale is not anything resembling a priority within my current view of the game.

Hmmm I think it’s a mixture of your d1 treatment of lc as well as I feel like you’ve been subtlety trying to plant seeds of doubt about soa and myself throughout the day. I generally am a paranoid player so I could be overthinking this and seeing things that aren’t there, or I could simply just be misreading soa in which case ur suspicions are well founded. But that’s kinda the vibe I’ve been getting.

@ilario just for the log, is Son of Anarch still a town read?

He’s been trending down and down

But that’s mostly because others are trending up and not so much due to the fact that he has done anything I find to be scummy

I think falcons reasoning for all his votes, like his recent vote on gman are all incredibly shallow and in a world where falcon is scum I feel better about soa

This is not entirely in chronological order, as per page the "soa" and "anarch" searches are split. Clearly there is a lot here, and it all follows a pretty clear trend that doesn't really need reviews. ilario has town read SoA constantly and strongly. That on its own isn't necessarily indicative of "compatibility", so I will ask myself some questions.

1) Are there any moments that look indicative of TMI instead, in an ilario-mafia universe? -- maybe a few, particularly those where ilario is speaking directly to SoA rather than about him.

2) Do I think there's sufficient justification for the strong town read? -- no, not at all. That's the premier concern. At every juncture of this read, it is voiced with more confidence than I believe is justified. It also persists well longer than I believe is justified. It tests my ability to give any benefit of the doubt, and instead I almost feel like buying the read as non-compatible requires suspension of disbelief. That's concerning.

From Son of Anarch

Spoiler: show

I might be leaning Ilario town based on vibes.

Dangerous as fuck to do that but I'm letting it rip.

I thought his catch up was pretty good. Why do you think it's dangerous to town lean him?

You know it's kinda weird because I got the sense from Lime Coke's opening he didn't worry about town reading people so early, but the way he qualified that ilario read with "it's dangerous" kinda has my sensors goin' off a tad.

I might be leaning Ilario town based on vibes.

Dangerous as fuck to do that but I'm letting it rip.

I thought his catch up was pretty good. Why do you think it's dangerous to town lean him?

Why aren’t you worried that I’m pocketing you ? Normally people who haven’t played with me always react super paranoid when I start to tr them very strongly out of the blue

Because I know I'm townie as fuck. It doesn't surprise me if other people see that too. If you or anyone else who may be a wolf wanna pocket me they can go right ahead, I enjoy staying alive as long as possible in games. As I said, I'm not a noobie and I don't have an inherent distrust over early townreads like someone in the middle of their mafia career might have after being burned. I like to go with the flow and seeing what happens first.

Spoiler: show

Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

(perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

And yeah gonna echo my pal Dyslexicon’s take here. No way I’m votin’ Ilario here and he’s decently town read by everyone, so you’re admittin’ to just making a vanity vote.

I just ran through the end of the day and frankly found it meaningless. That doesn't necessarily mean the posts cannot be assessed meaningfully, but that's why I don't care to play ketchup. The thread becomes a contextless void to me.

Would anyone be able to describe for me, as you saw it, the progression of events/posts/whatever that caused falcon to become a wagon? I poked in here and there when my phone was dying and saw votes on him, but had no context in the moment.

It's simple. Falcon Man at end of day voted Ilario, when my pal Dizzy told him no one was gonna vote Ilario he basically said that "you never know". Then when me and Dizzy gave him the ol' 1-2 vote and Stayposi joined in, he accused two of us of bein' mafia. One being me, as he scum read me earlier and the other person bein'... TBD... I don't think he ever clarified who the second scum on him was. So that gave me the confidence to just hold my vote and to watch what happened.

Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

Care to elaborate about what you mean when ya say "dissonance"? Are the tiers ordered?

The tiers themselves are ordered, but the names within each tier are not.

The "dissonance" refers to my inability to come to a solid conclusion with how I sort the names. There's a clash between gut and brain with you and ilario especially. Given the current game state it strikes me as inherently more likely than it did 24 hours ago (beyond just the sig flip) that one+ of you is mafia. Otherwise I would have to be wrong about one+ of my stronger town reads.

Well Jimmy boy, maybe you are wrong on one of your stronger townreads 'cause I'm definitely town here and I'm pretty sure my boy ilario is also town. But to tell ya the truth, even though I'm havin' my doubts on Sloonei, I can't fault ya for townreadin' the guy here. So I gotta say... go with your heart and your brain. If I'm bein' bamboozled by ilario I take responsibility for that, but right now I don't think I am. Maybe this is just a super simple game and we got it wrong day 1, yeah? I feel like we haven't heard enough from a lot of the people in the POE.

What makes ya guys think ilario would poison Stayposi? Is there somethin' I'm missin' here?

I gotta be honest with ya. You guys have posted A LOT today and I'm not used to posting being this fast. This is due to shorter phases on this website for sure, which I'm still adjusting too. So, I'm gonna be honest here and admit I have not read everythin' and just skimmed what I missed.

To answer your question though Jimmy, I think ilario is town. I actually can't understand why people are freakin' out so much either. sig was scummy, but never a sure shot. The fact people are goin' crazy and sayin' we need to flip our world view doesn't sit right with me at all. Now if ilario keeps leading me down a wrong path or I keep missin', I'll look over it some more, but I trust him for now.

I was just about to bring something up about Anarch that might’ve ended me and Ilario’s mindmeld lol. But yeah, you’ve seemed more in the backseat this day. Though I guess you addressed that.

Question though: What do you think Ilario’s intentions of giving you (and me) a lock town read in the way that he does? Cause for me, I just can’t really see any ill intent in that. OR basically: How do you feel about our triad?

I feel good about the triad. I think you and ilario are the two people I've been trustin' the most so far and I don't really have any reason to doubt that right now. I'm in the backseat 'cause of the high-volume of posts, bein' a lot busier with work now that it's not a weekend, and just generally not bein' too worried about the game state. I don't think ilario had ill intentions behind lockin' us town, but I do want to point out that that is a pretty loaded question. 'Cause either his intentions are pure and he's town or they're not and he's mafia. I'm thinkin' he's town so I'm thinkin' his intentions are pure. It would be pretty brave for a mafia to try and form an alliance like that, but not impossible. However, part of the reason I even trust him so much is because you're also in this "triad" with me and since I have reasons to think you're town, that at least means I'm not gettin' suckered in by two mafia. If he's pocketin', he's pocketin' both of us and that's way less embarrassin' to me.

I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

The strong town read is reciprocated and never really reassessed (SoA hasn't reassessed much of anything since Day 1). I do think isolated moments here again could be okay, and again it's when SoA is speaking directly to ilario instead of about ilario. Those tend to look more like pocket efforts in an SoA-mafia universe. Nonetheless, the connection between these two players is constant and irrefutable, and unique enough just for its strength in the absence of clear development. It sprung from the ether.

~~~

Do they fit?

This is perhaps the toughest judgment call of all. If they're mafia teammates, they've dedicated more mutual effort to shielding each other than I would expect to see in most games. My trouble is that it would also represent my exact preferred strategy if I rolled mafia in an 11 vs. 4. If ilario had begun to reassess this a cycle sooner as Dizzy did I would be more comfortable. I am calling them compatible, at least "yellow".

Here's ilario. JJJ freakin' eclipsed the post limit with all 5 of these, so I had to separate.

[G-Man]

Just gonna put these here.

Do Dolby and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

Spoiler: show

From Dolby

Spoiler: show

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I'm gonna ignore any followup until I'm done with Anarch

Watcher claim and encouraging Fruit Vendor to out are kinda towny.

staypositiveffiend
Sloonei

TonyStarkPrime

Son of Anarch

More people please

Being concerned about others read on you. Bad look

Susses LC for piggybacking JJJ. A good look that they both had similar thoughts towards the slot.

Having a catchup post is towny and I'd rather crash than read it

I think that the TSP vote is unnatural coming from scum and moving against a potential pocket.

Don't like the sig vote but apparently a number of people agree with it so won't hold it against him

Scum in 0 posters is a yikes

I think he comes off better between him and sig

I want to sleep

Dizzy - looking back I think that some of the stuff that I'm worried about with JJJ applies here
falcon - don't remember a word they've said rn
G-man - same
ilario - towny, triad 2 posts better than posts near start of game
JJJ - have some level of paranoia towards here. This is most relevant in a world where G-Man and Jo are both town
Johanna - null. I don't think their day two entrance changes anything for me wrt to her either (there may be good JJJ points here). The only thing that looks even remotely bad is her characterization of TSP's behavior.
LC - vibes
Marmot - can be town
NAA - hank_scorpio_fire.gif
SOA - vibes
Sloonei - probs good
TSP - town (obv)

gn

I kinda just like LC on skim

I want them to articulate how they feel about Anarch but that's about it

Dolby turned sig's suspicion of SoA into his own suspicion of sig. Classically this might be called a chainsaw defense, and it's not the best look. Dolby's review of SoA himself is pretty limited and ends in positive feedback "vibes". I don't know why he brought up Anarch in that last post referencing Lime Coke.

From Son of Anarch

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Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

(perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

-------

Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

I do like your team theory kinda. I'm unsure about Dolby bein' there because I thought the day 1 content was good. Day 2 hasn't been as great, so I'll give ya that.

I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

For the first time in these reviews I find myself actually moved by real suspicion. These are not encouraging posts and I think quite supportive of SoA and Dolby as mafia partners. The initial reads list is whatever. Dolby is in the second-highest tier. That's at least questionable but not necessarily terrible. The other three posts all stand out to me in a bad way though. Dolby gets the token "maybe" placement among SoA's four town reads, and it would form an inverse player salad. The next post about my team theory dissuades the inclusion of Dolby as mafia while simultaneously giving a reason to suspect him. The final post again dissuades a mafia read of Dolby before providing a counter-justification. These are not pretty caveats.

~~~

Do they fit?

Yes, SoA and Dolby fit togther well. If one is mafia I think the other is a high prospect to be with him.

Do falcon45ca and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

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From falcon45ca

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Hey all. Just caught up on the thread, some thoughts below

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

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Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hi, Son. Hope I can call you Son, cause I think that's kind of funny.

I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently single and looking to mingle. And I was wondering if you wanted to go on a date with me? It would entail peace and love and good things, and us never voting each other this game. You are town, and I am town. Let me know kk *squeaks and runs*

Hey there Dyslexicon. I'm lookin' forward to playing this game with you. Unfortunately, don't think my girlfriend would want me to be going on any dates with someone else so I'm gonna have to turn ya down there. And well... Can't promise you I'll never vote you this game, but I gotta say I like the free-flowing thought pattern you seem to be exhibiting here so I probably won't be votin' you any time soon unless you get on my bad side.he

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Ya know, I'm thinkin' this response to me is actually kinda bad. It's one of your first posts and already you're sayin' you hate my posts because you're against the general philosophy of 'em instead of saying you just disagree with the approach. That's kinda something I think wolves are more prone to do. They'll try to magnify something that might not be agreeable and make it seem like the post is bad when in actuality it's just a disagreement in playstyle. But I'm a nice guy, so I'm gonna give you a chance.

@ShēpInWolfsClothing what about the post is bad other than your disagreement of it?

@TonyStarkPrime care to explain your townreads on sig and falcon? Gotta say I disagree with at least sig for reasons I describe up top, no real opinion on falcon as of yet.

And also why I'm on the subject:

@falcon45ca Why'd ya specifically call out that crowd with their townreads? I'd say there's been quite a few players this game that have been ridin' the town read train, includin' myself a bit.

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

Who else has been posting huge town reads list? I'll puke all over their shoes too

Sig's defensive reaction ain't good... Kinda yikes if ya ask me.

Redundant. If it ain't good, you don't need to also tell us it's yikes.


Why do I feel you're trying to sell me something?

Sig's defensive reaction ain't good... Kinda yikes if ya ask me.

Redundant. If it ain't good, you don't need to also tell us it's yikes.


Why do I feel you're trying to sell me something?

Also I'm thinkin' there's probably a scum in the 0-posters. Not sure if mafia the syndicate is the same, but on mafia scum a ton of folk hate randin' mafia to the point where they'll barely post. It can get pretty annoyin' and well... we've got three guys here not speakin' and I don't feel super bamboozled yet. I think I'm gonna make an enemy out of anyone who comes into the thread now.

Pushing low posters D1? Never seen scum do that before...

[VOTE: Ilario] aubergine

This chop won't happen.
If you had to choose between the people having votes already, who would it be?
Also what's your thoughts on Sig?

Not with that kind of attitude.


GTH sig is town

What’s he done to “earn” your town read?

He hasn't, a GTH read from me is the same as a gut read.


I feel he'd come across more agenda-y if he were Maf

Son of Anarch - Doesn't come across as overly wary or shy about approaching the game & giving reads.

[etc trustfall snip...]

hello. i didn't get to see EOD. work has me so swamped. who died

I have a sneaking suspicion that Nanook tagged you (like he did everybody) and you can go check for yourself.



It's D3, derp clears are for D1

I honestly didn't think tags did anything on this site but thanks for the passive-aggression bud

Sorry about that.




I wasn't trying to be passive.

Thanks for doing those everyone.

@falcon45ca, how do you feel about the solve I proposed? From your perspective only one of the possible teams can be correct.

I'm sorry, what's the solve?

From this
and this

I determined the mafia team must be either:

Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke, falcon
or
Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke, Son of Anarch

Oh ok.

I don't think LC is Maf, doesn't feel right, ditto SOA. I'd put ilario in their spot Otherwise this is a POE I can work with.

I'd actually put Dizzy in over SOA.


Ilario, Dolby, Dizzy, G-Man is my POE atm

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?

I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?


Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

There are some moments here where falcon treats SoA with a bit of a sharp edge. I am inclined to temper any assessment of that given that falcon's M.O. is to treat everyone with a sharp edge. It doesn't seem to lead anywhere of note. You'll see that between 14 Sep and 16 Sep, falcon's perception of SoA shifts from "not worthy of the POE, Dizzy goes in over him" to "in the POE". That splits around the Lime Coke mischop. The last sentence of the last post emerges again; I mentioned it when assessing falcon/Dolby. It'd be kinda funny if he encouraged a tie between his teammates given that he literally wouldn't care which one goes. I won't speculate too much. This stuff is overall kinda wet fish.

From Son of Anarch

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Hey all. Just caught up on the thread, some thoughts below

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Spoiler: show

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hi, Son. Hope I can call you Son, cause I think that's kind of funny.

I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently single and looking to mingle. And I was wondering if you wanted to go on a date with me? It would entail peace and love and good things, and us never voting each other this game. You are town, and I am town. Let me know kk *squeaks and runs*

Hey there Dyslexicon. I'm lookin' forward to playing this game with you. Unfortunately, don't think my girlfriend would want me to be going on any dates with someone else so I'm gonna have to turn ya down there. And well... Can't promise you I'll never vote you this game, but I gotta say I like the free-flowing thought pattern you seem to be exhibiting here so I probably won't be votin' you any time soon unless you get on my bad side.he

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Ya know, I'm thinkin' this response to me is actually kinda bad. It's one of your first posts and already you're sayin' you hate my posts because you're against the general philosophy of 'em instead of saying you just disagree with the approach. That's kinda something I think wolves are more prone to do. They'll try to magnify something that might not be agreeable and make it seem like the post is bad when in actuality it's just a disagreement in playstyle. But I'm a nice guy, so I'm gonna give you a chance.

@ShēpInWolfsClothing what about the post is bad other than your disagreement of it?

@TonyStarkPrime care to explain your townreads on sig and falcon? Gotta say I disagree with at least sig for reasons I describe up top, no real opinion on falcon as of yet.

And also why I'm on the subject:

@falcon45ca Why'd ya specifically call out that crowd with their townreads? I'd say there's been quite a few players this game that have been ridin' the town read train, includin' myself a bit.

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

Hey all. Just caught up on the thread, some thoughts below

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Spoiler: show

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hi, Son. Hope I can call you Son, cause I think that's kind of funny.

I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently single and looking to mingle. And I was wondering if you wanted to go on a date with me? It would entail peace and love and good things, and us never voting each other this game. You are town, and I am town. Let me know kk *squeaks and runs*

Hey there Dyslexicon. I'm lookin' forward to playing this game with you. Unfortunately, don't think my girlfriend would want me to be going on any dates with someone else so I'm gonna have to turn ya down there. And well... Can't promise you I'll never vote you this game, but I gotta say I like the free-flowing thought pattern you seem to be exhibiting here so I probably won't be votin' you any time soon unless you get on my bad side.he

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Ya know, I'm thinkin' this response to me is actually kinda bad. It's one of your first posts and already you're sayin' you hate my posts because you're against the general philosophy of 'em instead of saying you just disagree with the approach. That's kinda something I think wolves are more prone to do. They'll try to magnify something that might not be agreeable and make it seem like the post is bad when in actuality it's just a disagreement in playstyle. But I'm a nice guy, so I'm gonna give you a chance.

@ShēpInWolfsClothing what about the post is bad other than your disagreement of it?

@TonyStarkPrime care to explain your townreads on sig and falcon? Gotta say I disagree with at least sig for reasons I describe up top, no real opinion on falcon as of yet.

And also why I'm on the subject:

@falcon45ca Why'd ya specifically call out that crowd with their townreads? I'd say there's been quite a few players this game that have been ridin' the town read train, includin' myself a bit.

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

Who else has been posting huge town reads list? I'll puke all over their shoes too

Eh... When I wrote that post I was mostly thinkin' about Lime Coke and myself, but you responded to Lime Coke while I was writing and I didn't see it. So I guess that explains that. Just curious now about why you hate townreads so much?

falcon has established a pretty deliberate “early town reads make me sick” reputation in recent memory. In this particular case I am not yet inclined to provide any credit for fitting into that very easy costume of self-built meta.

Need more.

So are you saying it's just for show or it's actually how he feels?

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Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

(perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

-------

G-man
Johanna

-------

Lime Coke
TSP

-------

sig

[VOTE: Ilario] aubergine

This chop won't happen.
If you had to choose between the people having votes already, who would it be?
Also what's your thoughts on Sig?

Not with that kind of attitude.


GTH sig is town

What’s he done to “earn” your town read?

Gotta agree with whoever said Falcon Man is being contrarian for the sake of contrarian. That read has me a bit puzzled compared to the other ones.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Now this might just be the spice I was talkin’ about

Alright Dizzy, I’m game.

[VOTE: Falcon Man] aubergine

A new triad emerges. Me, Dizzy, and Stayposi. I dub us the falcon killers

Ah man, can't say I'm stoked about that at all. My Internet was down until around this aftenoon so backreadin' wasn't really possible for me. I'm gonna say though that I still think Falcon Man's EOD wasn't the greatest and I'd like to hear some of the other thoughts on that.

Another interestin' thing is that if SPF is poisoned that might reflect well on the triad 'cause they were kinda all huddlin' together, yeah? Normally if you're tryin' to pocket someone you don't kill them. That's just a basic read though.

I just ran through the end of the day and frankly found it meaningless. That doesn't necessarily mean the posts cannot be assessed meaningfully, but that's why I don't care to play ketchup. The thread becomes a contextless void to me.

Would anyone be able to describe for me, as you saw it, the progression of events/posts/whatever that caused falcon to become a wagon? I poked in here and there when my phone was dying and saw votes on him, but had no context in the moment.

It's simple. Falcon Man at end of day voted Ilario, when my pal Dizzy told him no one was gonna vote Ilario he basically said that "you never know". Then when me and Dizzy gave him the ol' 1-2 vote and Stayposi joined in, he accused two of us of bein' mafia. One being me, as he scum read me earlier and the other person bein'... TBD... I don't think he ever clarified who the second scum on him was. So that gave me the confidence to just hold my vote and to watch what happened.

If someone could ask me a few questions or somethin' to help me get on some sorta track that'd be swell

What would you say has changed most about your view of the game, if anything, since sig flipped town?

To be fully honest, not that much. I think Sloonei got a little scummier to me 'cause I didn't like the way he was handlin' the discussion between me and sig. I think it's kinda weird how we had more than one person sayin' sig was explicitly town rather than sayin' he should have more time to post, I already find Falcon Man to be the most suspicious on that list to start with. Other than that, I'm not super shocked the dude flipped town. I'd need to examine the wagon too because there's probably at least one wolf on there considerin' how votes went. Overall, still feelin' pretty good about game and game state.

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

What are the chances this is 4 town?

Okay, so a few notes:

SoA's first few interactions with falcon are pretty neutral stuff and not suggestive of much. So it's noteworthy that SoA placed falcon in the second-highest tier of his reads list, suggesting some level of town read. That is immediately countered in the posts that follow with assertions of doubt, piggybacked from things other people said (e.g. "falcon is overly contrarian"). We see that SoA took an anti-falcon stance toward the end of Day 1, and dubbed his triad with Dizzy and ilario as "the falcon killers".

Then he didn't post again on Day 1. That was 1.5 hours prior to the deadline, and he didn't make another falcon-related post. He didn't make another post AT ALL. The leader of the falcon killers, or at least their namer, didn't do anything to make that name a reality. He did leave his vote on falcon, but I think it was evident to the people in the game that sig was most likely to be eliminated. So I award zero points, and kinda think it looks worse.

In the time that has followed EOD1 SoA's presence has taken a nosedive, so he's had no impact on matters of falcon or otherwise.

~~~

Do they fit?

Yes, I think they fit. They might even fit well given SoA's EOD1, but I am not as confident about this one as I was about Dolby/SoA.

Do G-Man and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

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From G-Man

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SOA
-39: experienced player- no passes needed (come at me?)
-41: can’t describe own play style? Odd.
-61: seeking pat on the head or open fishing- don’t force the lure
-63: “interesting” and agreeable
-88: over-equipped try-hard
-148: a bit Mac-like? Hard to pin this personality down
-355: speaking of magnifying things…
-453: feels like too much to explain what it does
-511: lol, come at me bro
-529: difference of cultures i hope
-542: a bit know-it-allish but also a lot of work if a baddie
-1057: don’t complicate the game? You need to think twisty early, just don’t overthink
-1103: “someone inspire me to make contributions”

SOA
The country-boy schtick takes some getting used to. He started out the game pretty confident- almost overconfident at times. At the same time, his early content seemed a bit too agreeable. Maybe not glommy, but agreeable for sure. He is another one that I feel gets a bit too explainy at times, which gives me pause. I don't need a perfect answer each time. Perfect is the enemy of the good. This post goes against my philosophy of trying to think like a baddie and outwit the sneaky plan you might not otherwise see coming. Some of his D1 work seemed a little much for a baddie, but perhaps he's just that confident in his game.

Transferring all that to solidify a 6-and-6 format, I arrive at these groupings (alphabetical order, not ranked):

TOWN:
-Dolby
-Dyslexicon
-Marmot
-NotAnAxehole
-Sloonei
-TonyStarkPrime


POE:
-Falcon
-Ilario
-JaggedJimmyJay
-Johanna
-Lime Coke
-SOA

G-Man found a lot of posts to criticize regarding SoA, and stated pretty clear suspicions in the larger reads list with some faint qualifiers. He then included SoA in his POE.

He has done absolutely nothing with that since. Yikes.

From Son of Anarch

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Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

(perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

That's it. G-Man makes the first reads list in the bottom five. Not a single sliver of follow-up except to tell me that my solve including G-Man should be doubted. Yikes.

~~~

Do they fit?

Yikes. They fit plenty. They fit bad.

Do Johanna and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

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From Johanna

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I know I said falcon is probably my #1 suspect but that's largely a function of not really having any. As I said, the ones who've made posts that struck me as odd in a bad way are Lime Coke and SoA.

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I'd like to call him Limey.

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But that'd be rude.

TSP definitely posted oddly, but not knowing them at all and given the consistency of it I am happy to chalk it up to posting style. Suggesting that a vt claim watcher was fantastic,

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Thanks Marmot, I forgot that over the night.

they defended someone who was basically tilted for their entire stay on thread and thus were an easy mischop. It was not clear then and I'm not sure why he didn't say his clear was based on meta, but he was right, and his D2 so far just makes him townier.

I hate how NAA is playing but I don't see reason to characterise that as scummy. Confrontational and antagonising, sure. Again I chalk it up to posting style, although in this case I don't think there are reasons to towncore him. Neither are there reasons to suspect him.

So falcon. Yeah, I don't have reasons to think he's a wolf per se, either, and especially now that it's become apparent he's not very well caught up. In my experience, wolves are just as often boldly pushing names as they are cute and cuddly,

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I mean, they are. falcon's main D1 point doesn't really hold.

but what they try to do is to be up to date.

I don't think I can in good conscience vote for a 2-poster. Nobody can say whether they're scum or not based on two posts. So you know, I'm not reading that slot, but it is true that if they don't show up soon they'll have to be up for the chop. I'm just saying give them a chance to show up.

That's the most questionable bit about NAA, his easy-going willingness to lock wolfreads on nothing but literal thin air.

I think the worst posts of yesterday were Lime's burst, although NAI, and SonofAnarch's "you mean you think our interation is t/t" post, which was awkward.

However the more consistently not so great person is falcon. I like some of the things he said and he raised some valid points (like pointing out said weird SoA post), but it is true that he is mostly being contrarian and that's easy to fake.

A priori he seems a good wolf candidate as someone with some thread presence who gets noticed but not a lot of attention.

I am actually intrigued by TSP. Either he was TMIng sig or he just had the right idea. I lean towards the second, at least for now.

Generally I think there have been bad posts and people with bizarre moments but nobody who has been overtly or outright scummy. Kind of glad I got to avoid having to make a bad choice, although I think I would have leant falcon. There has to be at least one wolf in the towncore (why not two) but I wouldn't know where to look.

Also, I kow understand why Dyslexicon gets abbreviated to Dizzy instead of Dys. That was too many posts...

I think the worst posts of yesterday were Lime's burst, although NAI, and SonofAnarch's "you mean you think our interation is t/t" post, which was awkward.

However the more consistently not so great person is falcon. I like some of the things he said and he raised some valid points (like pointing out said weird SoA post), but it is true that he is mostly being contrarian and that's easy to fake.

A priori he seems a good wolf candidate as someone with some thread presence who gets noticed but not a lot of attention.

I am actually intrigued by TSP. Either he was TMIng sig or he just had the right idea. I lean towards the second, at least for now.

Generally I think there have been bad posts and people with bizarre moments but nobody who has been overtly or outright scummy. Kind of glad I got to avoid having to make a bad choice, although I think I would have leant falcon. There has to be at least one wolf in the towncore (why not two) but I wouldn't know where to look.

Also, I kow understand why Dyslexicon gets abbreviated to Dizzy instead of Dys. That was too many posts...

This is one of those posts that doesn't say much with a whole lot of words.

Well I guess I lied, SoA would be my first suspect for a deepwolf precisely because of that weird post. They were pretty good for the rest of the day though, so I wouldn't jump there immediately.

I think I've said lots of things.

If what you want is reads I think SoA and Lime Coke are probably the most dubious consensus town reads, Dolby is a good bean so I want to see him around more, and I don't have anything to judge G-Man by.

TSP and SPF are my lock townreads, then JJJ, you (Sloonei), Dizzy, probably NAA goes here, Ilario, Dolby, Limey/SoA, falcon, I have no read on G-Man... and I completely forgot Marmot existed. Is that normal?

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It can't be normal

I think as stated yesterday, that JJJ and Sloonei are always the same alignment. Therefore, JJJ town.

Why is TSP alive is my biggest question. I'm not chopping an uncontested claim but still. I briefly voted G-Man after Dizzy's claim but I'm on No Vote as I try to sort out my thoughts.

I think in my first catch up post I already indicated SoA as a most likely wolf in the D1 towncore and D2 did not alleviate those suspicions so I am very happy to go there.

I always want to see more of Dolby, I stil feel like I haven't seen enough from him but I might need to bow to the consensus that he should be chopped.

I am very flip floppy on Falcon. He often feels performative but he also has many posts that ring honest.

I do not know G-Man.

I feel like J's PoE might contain up to three wolves rather than all four, but I really can't say who the fourth would be and who in the PoE would not be a wolf I think there's reasonable doubt on all of them to scum read them but also there is very little certainty.

Finally, I'm off

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to watch Dune.

Anyway, I'm voting [VOTE: SonofAnarch] aubergine for now.

I don't know if I'm ready to call G-Man scum yet. I think he was put in an unfair position to work out of given his inability to participate at all Day 1, and his presumably limited time to contribute since.

That said, I'd prefer a yeet of Son of Anarch, Dolby, or falcon, not necessarily in that order. I think they all have a lot more working against them based on their own behavior.

My preferred chop is SoA, but I'm not going to go on a vanity wagon. I share your same concerns and I have voiced them repeatedly.

[VOTE: Son of Anarch] aubergine

Johanna's immediate reception of SoA when she joined the game was a negative one, albeit vaguely so. She didn't promote his demise necessarily, though she is clearly doing so on Day 3. I wouldn't say this is super conclusive, but if it points anywhere it points toward non-alignment.

From Son of Anarch

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Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

(perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

Hey you know what, I appreciate the compliment Johanna. Callin' me a potential deep wolf is pretty flatterin', but I dunno if I have it in me to deceive all you nice folk the way I have been.

Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

Johanna opens in the SoA bottom five. That seems to undergo a stark change on Day 2, when she is a sort of "first alternate" on SoA's top town reads list just behind Dolby. The progression isn't there, and I tend to wonder if SoA gave up on the prospect of suspecting her given her general purity and improving thread presence. Take that with a grain of salt.

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Do they fit?

I do wish I had a little more to talk about here. I think it looks okay from the SoA side and a little better than okay from the Johanna side with respect to dissociating the two of them, so that is where I will lean.

These (and Ilario's) are helpful to have again. Thanks. Jimmy would have gotten a little more from me on SOA had the thread not hammered early yesterday. I'm interested in seeing how he re-ranks all these (if at all) coming out of the flip and any other legwork he's put in on it since then.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Please refrain from hammers for at least 24 hours, so I can make the most of my poisoning. I’m still recovering from Bengals rage.

Quickly:

Team theory 1: G-Man, Dolby, ilario

Team theory 2: G-Man, Dolby, falcon

If either is correct that’s a winning POE pool anyway. If not, it’s ip to the people named here to change the dynamic.

[G-Man]

Please refrain from hammers for at least 24 hours, so I can make the most of my poisoning. I’m still recovering from Bengals rage.

Quickly:

Team theory 1: G-Man, Dolby, ilario

Team theory 2: G-Man, Dolby, falcon

If either is correct that’s a winning POE pool anyway. If not, it’s ip to the people named here to change the dynamic.

There's a G-Man-shaped error in both of your team theories.

I don't hold out much hope of 'changing the dynamic' for you since you've left very little latitude in your mind to consider my innocence all game long, but we'll see if you can prove me wrong.

[Marmot]

If it's not in G-Man, Dolby, ilario, falcon, that means that there's at least one mafia in:

Dizzy, Johanna, NAA, myself.


Hmm, I'd have to think if I'd put ilario ahead of the others in my POE.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ilario has to answer for his SoA read. Moreover he tried to prioritize voting falcon before SoA yesterday.

No problem seeing him as mafia.

@G-Man if you’re town then you have a very clear-cut view of the game. You can clear me. You can clear Tony. You bet the game on Marmot and Dizzy as town.

You should have a narrow field by the numbers. It would be exactly three among Johanna, Dolby, ilario, falcon, and NAA. Is that the case?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The single best fit with SoA is Dolby I believe. Refer to my analysis for why. Currently on phone.

[G-Man]

ilario has to answer for his SoA read. Moreover he tried to prioritize voting falcon before SoA yesterday.

No problem seeing him as mafia.

@G-Man if you’re town then you have a very clear-cut view of the game. You can clear me. You can clear Tony. You bet the game on Marmot and Dizzy as town.

You should have a narrow field by the numbers. It would be exactly three among Johanna, Dolby, ilario, falcon, and NAA. Is that the case?

Taking Tony's claim as true, then my revised and simplified groupings shift into this:

TOWN
Dizzy
Marmot
NAA
Tony


POE
Dolby
Falcon
Ilario
Johanna


What reservations do you still have about NAA that you lumped him into that POE cluster? He doesn't appear in your formulations.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What reservations do you still have about NAA that you lumped him into that POE cluster? He doesn't appear in your formulations.

I don't have reservations. I was basing that statement on your reads list. Dizzy and Marmot were "bet the game" level town and NAA wasn't, per your list.

Do you believe ilario and falcon fit together as mafia teammates?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I kinda just like LC on skim

I want them to articulate how they feel about Anarch but that's about it

Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

I do like your team theory kinda. I'm unsure about Dolby bein' there because I thought the day 1 content was good. Day 2 hasn't been as great, so I'll give ya that.

I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

These are all particularly bad for Dolby.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This makes it sound like both of you want the fruit vendor (if not TSP) to claim and likely get chopped just to verify TSP's claim. Just because there is no counter-claim for fruit vendor doesn't necessarily mean that TSP is confirmed. He's still going to just be the presumed fruit vendor. I get where your minds are running with this, as a counterclaim now would force us to reevaluate and possibly reform the POE. I just think the day will be more constructive if we try to pick apart the known baddie's ISO rather than sweating over the neutered fruit vendor.

If there is a fruit vendor not named TonyStarkPrime that has not claimed their role, then they are absolutely throwing the game. There is no excuse.

I will accept Tony as utterly confirmed without reservation as long as he remains the only claim.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Marmot what is your view of Johanna?

[G-Man]

What reservations do you still have about NAA that you lumped him into that POE cluster? He doesn't appear in your formulations.

I don't have reservations. I was basing that statement on your reads list. Dizzy and Marmot were "bet the game" level town and NAA wasn't, per your list.

Do you believe ilario and falcon fit together as mafia teammates?

Teammate equity isn’t something I have explored yet between those two. I jumped the gun stitching my Lime Coke-Falcon theory together, so I put that sort of exercise on ice for until we chopped one. Right now I’m more focused on finding the most concrete link between my POE pool and SOA. I’m not a 4-D team-solver like you.

[Johanna]

Hello hello, I am happy we hit true in the end, and I guess I am sorry I didn't push more convincingly for them D2. A single post wasn't much weighed against a whole day, but he never did anything to stay to that D1 level.

Now associatives take on a lot more value. I suppose they played a major role in getting the critical mass to chop SoA, but without a confirmed wolf in the PoE I cannot say that I was confident in an eventual victory. I feel better about it now, qnd have little qualms backing NAA's phantom vote on Dolby.

We'll see in the morning. For now I am on no vote. I am starting to feel good.

[Johanna]

I really wanted to come in all gung ho "I told you so" but the moment passed for that and I guess my enthusiasm wouldn't match the lackluster energy with which I pursued his chop.

[Johanna]

And this is dead so I go to bed.

[Marmot]

@Marmot what is your view of Johanna?

I could give you my read from sometime Day 2 that I haven't really reflected on recently.

That read says townie af.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Marmot what is your view of Johanna?

I could give you my read from sometime Day 2 that I haven't really reflected on recently.

That read says townie af.

Probably worth some reflection. I would tend to agree but can imagine a universe where I’m wrong.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Johanna’s interactions with SoA weren’t my most confident review.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And this is dead so I go to bed.

Who ya got for mafia outside Dolby?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@ilario, I think your perspectives would be the most important to me today given the state of affairs. I may have you deeply embedded among the suspects, but I'm still listening. I'd be especially interested to know how your view of the game changes given SoA's flip, and what you currently think of Dyslexicon.

[NotAnAxehole]

What is your perspective on Trudeau?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

He has a bit of a pricky face.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Alright Dizzy, I’m game.

[VOTE: Falcon Man] aubergine

A new triad emerges. Me, Dizzy, and Stayposi. I dub us the falcon killers

This came about 1.5 hours prior to the Day 1 deadline. The latter was SoA's last post of Day 1. General question to consider: did SoA believe this would eliminate falcon, or was it apparent enough that sig was most likely to go?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am going to review the interactions between SoA and the players I have been reading as town. Once I am dead be careful to ensure this work is used, if at all, for responsible dialogues where necessary and not morphed into escape mechanisms. That's if they end up iffy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions of Son of Anarch and Dyslexicon

From Son of Anarch

Spoiler: show

Hey all. Just caught up on the thread, some thoughts below

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~~~spoiler snipped~~~

@TonyStarkPrime care to explain your townreads on sig and falcon? Gotta say I disagree with at least sig for reasons I describe up top, no real opinion on falcon as of yet.

And also why I'm on the subject:

@falcon45ca Why'd ya specifically call out that crowd with their townreads? I'd say there's been quite a few players this game that have been ridin' the town read train, includin' myself a bit.

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

Also that SPF sleuthin' post on sig was so mind blowy I don't even know where my brain is at, like I could barely comprehend it, but it sounded right

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Reminder that I'm pea-brained

Hey, I want cred for this too. I caught it immediately, I just wasn't all flashy about it, cause I wanted to lure more out of him lol

Cred denied. You didn't sound as cool as SPF did when talkin' about it

Jk jk if sig flips wolf I'll think about taking you on a bro-date.

Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

Uh, I think he's saying that if you are, the hostility building is not helpful. And hearing people out regardless of alignment is always better. This post is a bit weird though.

It's not weird if ya know what's knockin' around inside my head right now

Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

Uh, I think he's saying that if you are, the hostility building is not helpful. And hearing people out regardless of alignment is always better. This post is a bit weird though.

And by the way, the post you're referring to isn't the one I responded to

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

And yeah gonna echo my pal Dyslexicon’s take here. No way I’m votin’ Ilario here and he’s decently town read by everyone, so you’re admittin’ to just making a vanity vote.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Now this might just be the spice I was talkin’ about

Alright Dizzy, I’m game.

[VOTE: Falcon Man] aubergine

A new triad emerges. Me, Dizzy, and Stayposi. I dub us the falcon killers

Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

I was just about to bring something up about Anarch that might’ve ended me and Ilario’s mindmeld lol. But yeah, you’ve seemed more in the backseat this day. Though I guess you addressed that.

Question though: What do you think Ilario’s intentions of giving you (and me) a lock town read in the way that he does? Cause for me, I just can’t really see any ill intent in that. OR basically: How do you feel about our triad?

I feel good about the triad. I think you and ilario are the two people I've been trustin' the most so far and I don't really have any reason to doubt that right now. I'm in the backseat 'cause of the high-volume of posts, bein' a lot busier with work now that it's not a weekend, and just generally not bein' too worried about the game state. I don't think ilario had ill intentions behind lockin' us town, but I do want to point out that that is a pretty loaded question. 'Cause either his intentions are pure and he's town or they're not and he's mafia. I'm thinkin' he's town so I'm thinkin' his intentions are pure. It would be pretty brave for a mafia to try and form an alliance like that, but not impossible. However, part of the reason I even trust him so much is because you're also in this "triad" with me and since I have reasons to think you're town, that at least means I'm not gettin' suckered in by two mafia. If he's pocketin', he's pocketin' both of us and that's way less embarrassin' to me.

Also I’m with spf and want to hammer in the fact that we probably just need one mafia flip to break the game open here, or at least have a much better understanding. It feels kind if chaotic right now, but it feels more chaotic than it is, because the solution is there. So if you’re town, just do all you can to get there.

Kinda agree with ya there, considerin' how the game state has been goin'

ANY BURNING QUESTIONS OR HUG REQUESTS? I’m sleeping soon and tomorrow is hell

Main suspect?

Hey Dizzy! Can you guys tell me a bit about what I missed if ya don't mind?

Yeah, yeah. I can see that but hey don't worry, as long as ya guys don't hammer me before I'm able to out my finals n' stuff it's all good

You think it’s good you’re getting chopped?

That's kind of a loaded question. What I'm sayin' is that obviously bein' chopped here is bad, but if you guys at least give me enough time to out my final reads then I won't feel pissed about it.

Hey Dizzy! Can you guys tell me a bit about what I missed if ya don't mind?

Scum is you, G-Man, Dolby and Falcon. Rest is town. I think that’s it.

Well that can't be right seein' as how I'm town. I thought you town read me earlier? What changed here?

I’m about this close to hammering Soa now. Blessings or forebodings?

You're already votin' me, but you can hammer Dolby instead.

I’m voting Dolby lol

Well, then keep your vote on him

Orange: This bit is already a decent look for Dizzy. SoA felt the need to reassure the reader, and probably Dizzy himself, that he wasn't ignoring Dizzy's suspicion of SPF -- just that he didn't agree. That can be viewed now as TMI on SPF, and I think it's typical of how mafia might handle civilians in Dizzy's position too.

Green: This is a moment Dizzy returned to last phase when we considered eliminating SoA. It's nice that Dizzy at least raised the concern at the time as well. SoA's response is pretty non-descript. If I reach I might say it looks like he is trying to assuage Dizzy's hesitation. The last green post looks pretty good for Dizzy too.

Cyan: By this point Dizzy as a high town read had become consensus so whatever. The initial blurb would be a bold one if they're teamed. That shouldn't be discounted off-hand.

Blue: Things become increasingly blatant here too. If SoA wants to form a triad with at least one civilian included, he'll need to sell it. Perhaps that's to Dizzy's credit, since SoA was really milking it at this point. Again there's wifom to contend with.

Red: This is probably the most important exchange for assessing Dizzy. SoA offered a lengthy response when Dizzy really began to reexamine the "new triad" on the basis that SoA had been falling off. SoA's response looks to me like someone who is trying to sell an argument to someone else that isn't already informed about its veracity; that is, SoA looks like he is really trying to convince Dizzy the triad is pure. That would suggest that Dizzy is not his teammate.

From Dyslexicon

Spoiler: show

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hi, Son. Hope I can call you Son, cause I think that's kind of funny.

I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently single and looking to mingle. And I was wondering if you wanted to go on a date with me? It would entail peace and love and good things, and us never voting each other this game. You are town, and I am town. Let me know kk *squeaks and runs*

Has anyone claimed watcher yet I’m getting impatient

Yup. I'm watcher.

But now we know this means you're not

Unless...

You know it's kinda weird because I got the sense from Lime Coke's opening he didn't worry about town reading people so early, but the way he qualified that ilario read with "it's dangerous" kinda has my sensors goin' off a tad.

Ok fine

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

I'm not actually scum reading spf here, to be clear. I'm not really reading her as anything, at least until I fact check myself lol. And I'm more than willing to listen to other people's opinion here. In any case, game is still young, so lettuce see what happens.

Regarding Lime, I feel that unless consensus is horribly off, I'd say he's probably town siding quite a bit if he is in fact mafia. Which I guess is possible. But I don't know, I don't really feel it. Or, I feel like he's actually happy about the town reads he has as opposed to not happy.

there are at least three zero posters and I thought everyone was townreading lc and anarch

I think about everyone is town reading anarch. Lime has been voted and sussed a fair bit, but as far as thread consensus right now I guess it's "eh maybe town".

And your reads are weird to me.

Also that SPF sleuthin' post on sig was so mind blowy I don't even know where my brain is at, like I could barely comprehend it, but it sounded right

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Reminder that I'm pea-brained

Hey, I want cred for this too. I caught it immediately, I just wasn't all flashy about it, cause I wanted to lure more out of him lol

Also I'm thinkin' there's probably a scum in the 0-posters. Not sure if mafia the syndicate is the same, but on mafia scum a ton of folk hate randin' mafia to the point where they'll barely post. It can get pretty annoyin' and well... we've got three guys here not speakin' and I don't feel super bamboozled yet. I think I'm gonna make an enemy out of anyone who comes into the thread now.

Lol that's the spirit! =p
And yeah, I agree, also because I don't really think there are four mafia among the posting. Four seems like a lot, and maybe I have too many town reads tbh. But we do not speak about that.

Actually

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Ilario, Sloon, Jimmay, Anarch, SPF - Town.

I think Lime Coke is town and might feel more strongly about that than I do about ilario or Son of Anarch being town. That's not really a "slight" on the latter two; they're fine.

Can you do some whys on this?

Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

He kind of reminds me of that one player in last year's champs who role played in Game 1. =p
I think I've seen stuff from Anarch that mafia rarely says, and in general, town tells are way more reliable than scum tells imo. I may or may not feel inspired to go back and see if I agree with myself.

Right now I feel pretty good about at least five players being town. If I'm wrong on one of them, I feel like they are forced to town side quite a bit, which I'm then fine with. If I'm wrong on more than one, I'm not doing a nice job. And here is where I get my usual "but strong players" worry. But actually, history has told me that in a game with a lot of strong and active players, reliable town cores are likely to form, which in turn can break the game open quickly.

I'm going to attempt making a full ordered list, but just know that I kind of hate this exercise and I could second guess a lot of placements that ultimately doesn't end up mattering lol

Ilario - Husband material. Even if he's pulling off the deepest pocket of my career, he would be husband material.
Sloondog - He's doing his town things, he's not doing his one scum thing, and Jimmay says he is town.
SPF - I really like how she brought up the Sig mismatch thing, and I also feel good about our interaction. Funny thing is that her claiming stoned alleviated my worry around the one post that stood out the most to me lol.
Jimmay - I have followed his reads and thoughts, and I think our reads are pretty much identical or only minor variances, and there is of course no need to be paranoid!
Anarch - Not familiar, but I think he's done things that mafia pretty much just doesn't do. Creds if he is tbh. Also like his direction.
Marmot - I have no issues with The Marmot.
Dolby - Is probably fine. His posts are fine.
Axe - I don't know really.
Lime - I'm not quite convinced on Lime tbh. I feel he is very spongy, and I didn't like his woe is me post, cause it read more like he thought it was unfair that he was read mafia rather than it being wrong. Still appreciate his activity and solving, and not really interested to chop today.
TSP - He certainly has posts. Probably maybe not teamed with Sig? Could easily be town tbh
Falcon - Don't know, and don't particularly understand his takes. To be fair, he's not typically the most active or consensus player in general to my knowledge.
G-Man - There's nothing to read really.
Johanna - Honestly, those posts leaves nothing but mhhh in my mouth.
Sig - I read the thread/didn't read the thread, no good. And his approach to me felt like buddying. Unconvincing attack on Anarch, kind of feels like a crutch.

Anarch and above are pretty comfortable town. Add Marmot too, if I'm feeling a bit frisky.
Don't really have active suspicion on anyone except Sig.
Something like that.

Anyway, I went back to look at Anarch's ISO. And I agree with myself that there are certain things that mafia almost never does, like saying the game lack spice then adding some, saying they're town as fuck, saying they'll make an enemy out of the next people posting. So I'm still happy to be in a triad with him and Ilario. New friends ^^

I can like posts from tone which is what I said. If I'm going to pocket it won't be like that anyway.

Anarch instantly called me mafia for essentially going agaisnt his idea of claiming. Whihc again I'll follow with what I said before.

1. You want to out a town PR role, never good.
2. gives the mafia targets. You can say watcher will look which is all well and good, BUT that also straight up means watcher is going to be on that person leaving everyone else open. Not to mention watcher claimed so they can just go for him. Also sorry it isn't fun and against the spirit of the game to claim D1 and I'm sticking to that as a good reason alone regardless of strategy not to claim.
3. The whole case around me is dumb and seems like everyone here just has confirmation bias going on. So not really going to go out of my way to play super hard and still get lynched since people decided to go with an easy day 1 and/or just dislikes my view on claiming.

Alright. As I asked you earlier, do you think Anarch openly fishes for a role claim as mafia like that, if it's clearly anti-town?

Also, this game has four scum in it, and I haven't seen you have many suspects yet. I assume you plan to get a vote down?

Inb4 Sig/Anarch team

Hey all, bad news: internet outage in my area. I’m using the last of my data to be here

The struggle is real. Seems like most people are away for EoD in any case. Hope the magic of internet returns to your life soon!

Ah. I see it’s dead anyways, huh?

Anyone wanna make things interestin’ while we still can?

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Interesting.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Now this might just be the spice I was talkin’ about

Jain the dark side. Triad unite.

To be clear, I'm also fully on board with Sig chop still.

(Also, call me Dizzy, if you please. I do love that nickname. ^^)

Ok, Anarch was one

Anyway - Ilario, Sloonei, Jimmay, SPF, Anarch, all town.
If Sig is mafia, maybe take TSP out of the PoE or maybe I'm dumb. I wouldn't take Lime out of PoE though.
If Sig is town, don't freak out.
Get G-Man and Johanna to talk more.

I quite like Johanna actually. I like that she picked the exact same Anarch post as awkward that I did, I like that she didn't go "michop bad thread consensus bad" (though I don't know if that is actually AI or anything), and similar to Jimmay, I do have a slight positive lean on her not considering the watcher (though logically, this is probably a non-point)

I also kind of think Axe is town? I don't know his scum style though. It would have to be a bold one if scum. I probably don't have enough actual backup to call this, and meta digging is boring. What do you say, Axe?

And now I'm pretty sure I have way too many town leans, wow surprising

I forced myself to put together a read list on an almost gun-to-head basis, because my mental sorting of this game has been a bit disturbed by SOD2 and the sig flip. This happened:

Dyslexicon
Sloonei
Lime Coke
TonyStarkPrime

ilario
Son of Anarch
Marmot

NotAnAxehole
falcon45ca
Johanna

G-Man

I a experiencing a ton of cognitive dissonance about that second tier. It's making it very difficult for me to form a proper POE pool.

Why is Lime so high for you?
I'd say Lime, Tony, Anarch, Marmot are all worthy of some love and attention for me at least. The two latter less so.

Actually, maybe I don't have as many town reads as I think lol

No worries. I just don't see the need to complicate the game until necessary. I'm an agreeable enough guy, sure. Heck, me even writin' this post is pretty agreeable, wouldn't ya think? But I'll tell ya what, bein' scum and bein' agreeable here serves me no purpose. I prefer to be in the center of the action as wolf, gettin' lots of blood on my hands whenever possible. Probably a bit hard to believe, eh? I'm pretty chill right now, after all. That's because I've got no teeth like those scary wolves, heh

Kind of just believe this and Anarch is probably just town.

@son of Anarch Thanks yous. That’s what I want to hear lol. It’s not really about it being brave as mafia, I just think it would be unstrategic as well, as it would actively box in his then potential team more. I just wanted to know if you had consudered this tbh. I think there’s basically no way he’s mafia.

ANY BURNING QUESTIONS OR HUG REQUESTS? I’m sleeping soon and tomorrow is hell

Main suspect?

Lime, where my vote is =p

@Dyslexicon are you still entirely solid on ilario and Son of Anarch? My chief tinfoil is that they're both mafia.

Ilario, yes. Anarch, no. Been thinking about Anarch during the night, and I get the impression his energy and involvement has been declining (though tbh I'm not caught up at all - in the process now)

I was thinking Son of Anarch might fit into the Sonny profile from the PerC crossover.

Sonny is my literal twin, so curious what you mean by this =p

Like, I get all happy just from Ilario showing up. Maybe I'm too deep in it, but fuck it, he's just town, I just know it.

Also, what's the reasons for him not being town anyway? Except game's hard.

I hope this doesn't annoy people now lol

It doesn't annoy me. If ilario is mafia he's played a fantastic game -- better yet than a strong mafia showing in the MURYM game last month. I don't have some clear or coherent case.

The reason I am exploring this so thoroughly is that the best argument I can come up with for either of you to be mafia is that you trust each other unconditionally for reasons I cannot entirely understand.

This is a game where mafia can town read each other and cruise when it starts at 11 vs. 4. I was also thinking of SoA as being a part of that situation.

Alright. I don't know what to say to this other than we're not mafia. I think I'm clearly town as well, though I realise the game is hard. Anarch has been dropping pretty heavily for me, and I think it's time me and Ilario had a staff meeting about it actually.

I think Ilario, Marmot and Jimmay are just town. That's maybe not a lot of town reads, but these are strong town reads for me.

I don't like Dolby's push on the general consensus town because I don't really see the substance in it apart from "This bad because I don't like the PoE". If Dolby is mafia, I think the PoE is good.

Anarch is falling down in the PoE for me. Maybe it's because of his activity dropping off, and now my initial town read there just doesn't feel as strong anymore. I don't really know how i feel.

As I read, I like quite a few of Johanna's and G-Man's posts. I don't know if that's really good enough at this stage though. But this may be another reason I'm thinking it's quite possible that Anarch is mafia.

I don't really see many teams that doesn't include Falcon tbh. My actual read on his play is that his posts are probably "fine" within his meta. But I don't really sense that he's going anywhere with his suspicions. His Ilario suspicion has seemed static, and I don't really get the sense that he cares about solving the game.

TSP and NAA exists and have done things.

Ilario/Marmot/Jimmay

NAA/TSP

Johanna/Anarch/G-Man

Falcon/Dolby

Much of this is superfluous, but I include it anyway if anyone wishes to reference the posts later.

Orange: This would be the stuff Dizzy could most stand to explain. It'd be good to know what SoA posts Dizzy had felt were not the kind mafia ever/usually make. It's unclear, and we're forced to take it or leave it.

Otherwise this follows the trajectory one would expect just by following the game. SoA was a strong town read, and that read faded with time until eventually it was gone entirely. Dizzy's own read on SoA kind of tracks with my own, though he was perhaps slower to flip.

~~~

Conclusion

I don't really think this looks like an interaction of mafia teammates. I have left Dizzy at least one question to talk about. Otherwise this does nothing to make me want to add Dizzy to the POE pool.

[NotAnAxehole]

Which party should I vote for?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions of Son of Anarch and Marmot

From Son of Anarch

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Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

(perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

-------

Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

That's it. He's very open that he doesn't know what to say about Marmot, which I think makes sense for someone who has never played with Marmot being forced to make a "read". It's not enough for me to separate them conclusively, but I do get the impression SoA forgot Marmot exists most of the game -- because he's a stranger not aligned with him.

From Marmot

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I'm caught up and now my brain is just jumbled. There's enough new players here I've never played with before that I'm having trouble differentiating who has said what: Lime Coke, Son of Anarch, ilario, Dolby.

Also, I keep missing Dizzy

We need a POE pool of 6 with all 4 mafia in it. That equates to needing 6 town reads (not including either oneself or SPF). At the moment that feels like a steep number to achieve. Quick exercise for anyone willing to engage:

If you had to bank the game on four people being town not including SPF, who would you choose?

Myself, JJJ, Dizzy, SoA,

Also ilario

pretty sure it's correct at this point for some vt to claim watcher, who wants to do that

Oh this happened Day 1. Good thinking TSP.

SoA claimed immediately afterward, so I do like his initiative in doing so, and am willing to call him town for it.

Dizzy - looking back I think that some of the stuff that I'm worried about with JJJ applies here
falcon - don't remember a word they've said rn
G-man - same
ilario - towny, triad 2 posts better than posts near start of game
JJJ - have some level of paranoia towards here. This is most relevant in a world where G-Man and Jo are both town
Johanna - null. I don't think their day two entrance changes anything for me wrt to her either (there may be good JJJ points here). The only thing that looks even remotely bad is her characterization of TSP's behavior.
LC - vibes
Marmot - can be town
NAA - hank_scorpio_fire.gif
SOA - vibes
Sloonei - probs good
TSP - town (obv)

gn

What do these "vibes" reads on SOA and Lime Coke mean?

@Son of Anarch I know you're kinda following along, but I'm uncertain where your head is at, because it honestly looks to me like you're agreeing to a lot of things in your recent posts, but not really pushing anywhere.

I saw you mentioned recently that you're between voting for 2 people right now, who are those people?

I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

Jo and G-Man both posted in signup thread that they'd be MIA Day 1 due to irl plans, so I'm willing to at least write those two off as coincidence.

Looks fine t'me, I just don't find the chart particularly helpful to me. It would probably be more helpful for other people.

It's particularly nice when town-JJJ is dead and needs to shout his reads to us from the grave.

A number of my reads have oscillated somewhat and it's only middle of Day 2. Lime Coke, Johanna, TSP, and Sloonei are the primary ones that have done that for me. I'm not terribly concerned about that. For me, I think I spent too much time focussing on only the players that I could interact with at the times I was here, and have slowly expanded my attention elsewhere. That's led me to a bit of a suspicion of Dolby, and good feelings about ilario. There is still a group of players I don't have a solid grasp on: Axehole, SoA, falcon, G-Man, and I'll add JJJ to that mix too.

I do agree that mafia is difficult, and by substitution, this game is difficult. Letting it feel or become easy is a quick way of letting a win slip from our grasp due to complacency.

I'll continue working on my list of unknowns, but that will come later today. I'll probably passively read the thread, but be doing other things the next few hours.

I also have some thoughts about Sloonei's proposal of discussing who we think carried out the poison. My thoughts might not be relevant, but I plan on pursuing that topic later this day phase.

As for a trustfall exercise, I'll probably partake in one. Never done one, sounds fun.


I will certainly not read the whole game thread again. I haven't even read the whole thing through. I will look at ISOs instead.

@Son of Anarch I know you're kinda following along, but I'm uncertain where your head is at, because it honestly looks to me like you're agreeing to a lot of things in your recent posts, but not really pushing anywhere.

I saw you mentioned recently that you're between voting for 2 people right now, who are those people?

This is my most recent thought regarding SoA, though he hasn't returned to answer my question yet.

As I've said before, I liked that he jumped at the opportunity to claim watcher at TSP's request, but I might be giving him too much credit there, given that another player specifically asked for it, and it wasn't unprompted.

I would describe his behavior today as agreeable, but not much beyond that.

[VOTE: SonofAnarch] aubergine


I similarly asked him a question that I want an answer to, and I think he could use the pressure.

I digress.

@Son of Anarch come back and play with us!! We have questions and you're kinda sorta a competing wagon now.

@Dyslexicon are you still entirely solid on ilario and Son of Anarch? My chief tinfoil is that they're both mafia.

Ilario, yes. Anarch, no. Been thinking about Anarch during the night, and I get the impression his energy and involvement has been declining (though tbh I'm not caught up at all - in the process now)

SoA has been complaining about the post volume, and his involvement was lagging yesterday, yeah.

I was thinking Son of Anarch might fit into the Sonny profile from the PerC crossover.

Sonny is my literal twin, so curious what you mean by this =p

Start really strong, get town reads, then from Day 2 onward slow down and fetter off until the early good graces are spent, get chopped, flip mafia.

It's a very good comparison imo. They even have a similar pleasant, vibey nature they bring to the game.

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

You say that you like “everyone” on this page, but only comment on 2 of the 4. Do tony and I have good traits?

Yep. Good vibes man, good vibes.

Can you articulate said vibes in a manner similar to what you did for Jay and spf?

Best way I can describe it is that Tony seems like a chump and his setup talk was somethin' I also was thinkin' about before the game and I just found your entrance kinda witty

I smell a jib here.

Man this game ain't spicy enough. You all are being way too careful. So ya know what? I'm gonna toss out a spicy take here and get a temp check:

I think Lime Coke's entrance to the thread was relatively safe in a wolf-y way. Man's dropped a townread on Sloonei after Jimmy already said he thought Sloonei was town and then half his explanation, as that nice lass StayPosi pointed out, was about somethin' to do with what Sloonei did after he made the read.

Oh yeah and as far as TSP goes. Well, I think I might be pickin' up what Sloonei is puttin' down here. Originally I was thinking in my head that TSP agreeing and changing his mind was kinda villagery, but now after Sloonei revealed the meta was fake, I'm almost wonderin' if TSP changed his mind to not try to outright disagree with the meta, but discredit it in a way.

Anyways, that's all I got for now. I'm pretty tired and my eyes are drooping... I'll probably still be stalkin' the thread because I'm doing some raids, but won't bother writing more until the morning.

Quick take here. Lime Coke is town and TSP is the current claimed fruit vendor, and these are SoA's first tow voiced suspicions.

This suspicion of TSP is interesting given that SoA had previously claimed watcher per Tony's suggestion.

If SoA is scum, his Day 1 is incredibly well-orchestrated and hard to see as being anything but town, but here's another nitpick.

Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

This post is interesting because he asks Sloonei, not if sig is town, but if he and sig are both town. Very specific choice of words here that I think is intentional.

If SoA is scum, his Day 1 is incredibly well-orchestrated and hard to see as being anything but town, but here's another nitpick.

Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

This post is interesting because he asks Sloonei, not if sig is town, but if he and sig are both town. Very specific choice of words here that I think is intentional.

I kinda want SoA to talk about someone other than falcon. As far as I can tell, that's his only scumread at this point.

The only other scumreads I can find this game are sig, Lime Coke, and Sloonei. And well, you know the rest.

It's Day 3 and I haven't made a readlist yet. It probably matches a lot of other people's tbh.

TSP
JJJ

Dizzy
ilario

NAA
Johanna

G-Man
falcon
Dolby
SoA


This solve doesn't feel amazing though for reasons that I can't put my finger on.

There's some pretty vote records for anyone interested.

Could it really be possible to have a PoE of falcon, G-Man, Dolby, SoA, and Johanna? That literally means that none of the PoE touched the main wagon of Lime Coke.

It's kinda unfortunate that the two people who died EOD2 didn't vote at all. Well, Lime Coke voted earlier in the day, but eventually sheeped spf's no vote

I don't know if I'm ready to call G-Man scum yet. I think he was put in an unfair position to work out of given his inability to participate at all Day 1, and his presumably limited time to contribute since.

That said, I'd prefer a yeet of Son of Anarch, Dolby, or falcon, not necessarily in that order. I think they all have a lot more working against them based on their own behavior.

[VOTE: Son of Anarch] aubergine

I want to have my vote somewhere, but it's too early to put Dolby at Y-1 imo.

Like... I don't get why you guys are going for me specifically is the thing and I'm worried it might be scum motivated. I even saw Jimmy askin' for an early hammer just now once Sloonei returned.

Tbh, I've talked about you and tried to ping you with questions since the start of Day 2, and haven't heard any responses to them, so what's a marmot to do?

I'm not very inspired by SoA's presence today. He starts off by trying to argue with JJJ's solve as a ludicrous approach, but didn't give us anything to work with outside of JJJ's solve. He did try to discredit JJJ and Sloonei, but Sloonei is confirmed town at this point and JJJ is Sloonei.

Outside of that, SoA voted Dolby as the counterwagon. Fine. SoA also pointed a finger at falcon. K.

Did he voice any other suspicions that I missed?

This is a very easy progression to follow, so anyone can probably open the spoiler and take it in without it feeling like a huge workload. Marmot read on SoA starts mostly town, but he repeatedly notes that he isn't always clear on SoA (or even which posts are SoA's posts due to confusing him with other newcomers). That uncertainty evolves into more concrete suspicion as SoA's presence wanes, and I think it follows an authentic thread. This increases my confidence in Marmot.

~~~

Conclusion

I already believed Marmot to be town-aligned, and now I believe it even more strongly.

[Marmot]

Which party should I vote for?

Which party do you plan to attend?

[Marmot]

Day 1 Votes

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sig (6) --- Lime Coke #505, JaggedJimmyJay #739, Sloonei #922, ilario #964, staypositivefriend #965, Dyslexicon #975

G-Man (2) --- TonyStarkPrime #864, NotAnAxehole [???]

TonyStarkPrime (1) --- Marmot #693

NotAnAxehole (1) --- Dolby #874

ilario (1) --- falcon #925

falcon (1) --- Son of Anarch #942

Dyslexicon (1) --- sig #973

No Vote --- G-Man, Johanna

Day 2 Votes

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Lime Coke (7) --- ilario #1371, Sloonei #2012, TonyStarkPrime #2052, JaggedJimmyJay #2059, NotAnxehole #2269, Dyslexicon #2284, Marmot #2296

falcon (3) --- G-Man #1902, Johanna #2103, Dolby #2241

ilario (1) --- falcon #1307

No Vote --- Lime Coke #1966, Son of Anarch, staypositivefriend

Day 3 Votes

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Son of Anarch (6) --- Marmot #2779, Johanna #2789, TonyStarkPrime #2863, Dolby #2916, NotAnAxehole #2933, JaggedJimmyJay #3022

Dolby (3) --- Sloonei #2557, ilario #2892, Son of Anarch #2955

G-Man (1) --- falcon #2825

No Vote --- Dyslexicon #2992, G-Man

[Marmot]

More fun vote color thingies.

[Marmot]

New rule. Only the player who is poisoned is permitted to hammer.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Marmot do you have an opinion regarding who among these players fits the best as an SoA teammate?

falcon, ilario, Johanna

[Marmot]

@Marmot do you have an opinion regarding who among these players fits the best as an SoA teammate?

falcon, ilario, Johanna

I'm looking through NAA/SOA interactions atm since I see you hadn't done it. I'll have results shortly.

I haven't actually looked back at the others yet, but I will in a bit.

[Marmot]

Or have you posted them and I just missed it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Or have you posted them and I just missed it?

I haven't yet. Glad you're doing it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bee? Beer.

[G-Man]

There's a process involved with being a baddie. You have to figure out what you're going to do at the start of the game with your teammates. With two teammates, it's typical to split the difference- sus one and tr the other. Sometimes you wait to see how each one does early on. If someone missteps, that's the one you use as your sus for chop cred. Sussing both or TRing both is a high-risk/low-reward track record in my mental notes, because it may become obvious if you are the first one to get chopped. With three teammates, you're almost certain to find at least one to sus. Maybe it's sus one, TR one, and waffle on the third.

Falcon seems like the teammate that SOA selected to sus. He started a little waffley on Falcon, but then just kind of settled on him as a comfortable baddie read. SOA echoed comments of others about Falcon sus, but there's little if any original reasoning to why he leaned toward Falcon being a baddie. Even after throwing his vote on the Dolby train, his next post was about Falcon and how he could still see him as bad. If SOA, Falcon, and Dolby are on the same team, that's a bit awkward for him to be open to chopping two teammates at the same time, but perhaps that's the point. If Dolby and Falcon were chopped, we might second-guess SOA's likelihood of a double-bus. There's still the 4th member out there though.

In a world where Falcon is innocent, then this is a ploy to try to remind everyone that Falcon is low on people's lists in the hopes a Dolby scum flip pivots into a Falcon mischop. In a world where Dolby is innocent, this is a setup for an I-told-you-so to divert the next chop to Falcon instead of himself once Dolby flips town. For me, it's easier to digest the scenario where SOA is in a pinch and has to accept Dolby as his self-preservation vote while also having to maintain his faux-sus read on Falcon.

I want to vote so I at least leave another vote on the record to be analyzed when this day is over. If I have time, I will try to explore the rest of my POE in relation to SOA. Godspeed and good luck if I can't make it back before EOD/hammer.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[Marmot]

Interactions of Son of Anarch and NotAnAxehole

From Son of Anarch

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Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

(perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

-------

G-man
Johanna

-------

Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

@NotAnAxehole

hello. i didn't get to see EOD. work has me so swamped. who died

I have a sneaking suspicion that Nanook tagged you (like he did everybody) and you can go check for yourself.



It's D3, derp clears are for D1

I honestly didn't think tags did anything on this site but thanks for the passive-aggression bud

Well, I didn't see any notifications and still don't, but maybe I'm just blind. I'm sure NAA has been tagged already even before that.

The discussion of NotAnAxehole is remarkably scarce. He gives NAA a townread on Day 1 (bottom of the list), and pings him on Day 3. As far as I can tell, the ping was only an attempt to test out the ping feature, not that SoA actually had any interest in talking to NAA.

From NotAnAxehole

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Uh... I was still operating based on Son of A's Watcher claim. Was that rescinded?

What makes ya guys think ilario would poison Stayposi? Is there somethin' I'm missin' here?

I spent exactly 0 seconds considering this, and will not think about it further.

I think one of these combinations are the mafia team:

Son of A Marmot G-Man Johanna
Dolby G-Man Ilario Johanna
Lime Coke G-Man Ilario Johanna

(this from my previous read list with the sole update of TSP being PR)

I tend to favor #3 because of vote logic, and if my other reads that lead me to this conclusion are right, shooting in the 2/3 of Ilario feels better than 1/3.

1-2 wolves in dolby/g-man, 1 wolf in illario/limecoke, 1-2 wolves in falcon/SoA/TSP

I can vibe this

I'm arrogant again and feel like the game is solved.



I removed my 6 strongest town reads... and they're all legitimately strong. That left me with the following POE pool:

Dolby
falcon
G-Man
Johanna
Lime Coke
Son of Anarch

Within that set, Johanna only has two fits. So she can't be mafia with these premises accepted.

Thus we're left with only two teams that can work:

Dolby, falcon, G-Man, Lime Coke
Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke, Son of Anarch

Put another way, the mafia team is: [Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke] plus one of [falcon, Son of Anarch].

I have a one-way read dissociating Falcon from Dolby and a one-way read dissociating Lime coke from Dolby. I also have a one-way read dissociating Dolby from Son of Anarch.

These should all be considered light reads because the behavior was not reciprocated by both parties. I'll double check those because 2 of my reads would have to be wrong in either case for one of those teams to exist.

short

Kek

This is not a loaded question because the game is in a state where realistically it's either speed run into a win or a loss, you guys can feel free to talk all day and all night, but I just want to understand if I actually have to pay attention to the thread or if we can semi reliably rely on doing any order of:

Falcon
SoA
Ilario
Dolby

And then if we hit town, we take the 50/50 on:

G-Man
Johanna

If we didn't hit town on the first 3, we just bulldoze the last 2 ftw.

Dolby's perspective this game has been so stale. I'd say he's almost certainly mafia. Also contrarian for the sake of it, and parking vote whenever possible without having to justify anything

Ilario has only jumped in in cases where he had a clear direction / target / intention, also the misread on Lime Coke apparently is a big deal for him

G-Man's posting has been to prevent the narrowing of PoE

SoA just ceased to exist albeit, could be town

I would yeet the first two and expect it's 2/2, then I'd re-evaluate G-Man, SoA, Falcon, Johanna

Dolby's perspective this game has been so stale. I'd say he's almost certainly mafia. Also contrarian for the sake of it, and parking vote whenever possible without having to justify anything

Ilario has only jumped in in cases where he had a clear direction / target / intention, also the misread on Lime Coke apparently is a big deal for him

G-Man's posting has been to prevent the narrowing of PoE

SoA just ceased to exist albeit, could be town

I would yeet the first two and expect it's 2/2, then I'd re-evaluate G-Man, SoA, Falcon, Johanna

Another point to add is that SoA despite his D1 activity hadn't dissociated himself very much from other players, which makes me think he was more concerned about posting than say people who were careless like JJJ and Sloonei.

Also, level of confidence that Falcon & SoA aren't together is high.

@JaggedJimmyJay

Our Ilario read is quite similar in that you have him not super likely with Marmot & SoA.

So I'm concluding that Ilario can only be mafia in the world:

Ilario - Dolby - G-Man - Johanna (Which I think was one of the potential worlds when I initially drew up the PoE).

So we agree on that?

@JaggedJimmyJay

Our Ilario read is quite similar in that you have him not super likely with Marmot & SoA.

So I'm concluding that Ilario can only be mafia in the world:

Ilario - Dolby - G-Man - Johanna (Which I think was one of the potential worlds when I initially drew up the PoE).

So we agree on that?

Off-hand, yes. The only alternative would be to include Dizzy as mafia.

I want to re-examine the ilario/SoA interaction. I can’t recall what I saw to green it.

It's probably driven by the interaction when Ilario town read SoA and everything that followed? If I had to guess.

So I can see how this could mean Falcon - Dolby - G-Man team. Yesterday's off-wagon votes really don't matter because there was never a risk of someone other than Lime Coke dying. I'm still struggling with a 4th though

What's the most significant reason you'd keep SoA off of that team?

Falcon - SoA

Alright Dizzy, I’m game.

[VOTE: Falcon Man] aubergine

A new triad emerges. Me, Dizzy, and Stayposi. I dub us the falcon killers

Is this satisfactory to dissociate? Asking anyone.

No

@NotAnAxehole I know you weren't sold on falcon being mafia, and I am not entirely sold either. Are you mostly inclined to insert ilario in his place, or is there more to your current view?

Yeah, I mostly see falcon SoA as incompatible. I need to review why maybe, but it was a confident read.

Ilario in that slot makes a lot of sense.

Nothing Day 1. Day 2, SoA becomes a potential mafia team member as soon as NAA discovers he'd rescinded his watcher claim. I don't understand how NAA came to these team combinations, consider me slightly baffled. NAA does omit SoA from an earlier list of reads under the assumption that he's the the watcher.

This post makes me a bit uneasy with regard to NAA's general demeanor toward JJJ. I don't think they've butted heads all game, but this appears quite the opposite of that, NAA responding to JJJ in a tonally different manner. The most intersting bit I find is that it involves dissociating a known scum from someone who's probably today's yeet and our best bet at catching another scum.

Now NAA is on board with yeeting SoA and Dolby, and the general poe. I'd have to look at the context of this perhaps to see if this is a response to the general direction of the game, but in isolation, I do like it.

I feel less confident about NAA after reading these falcon-SoA dissociations. One thing to note, is that a lot of these dissociation posts are coming at a point
when SoA has 0 votes, and I believe falcon or G-Man was the competing wagon with Dolby (I'd need to double check). I'm also curious @NotAnAxehole why you had confidence in a dissociation between falcon and SoA.

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Conclusion

They aren't incompatible. I don't think they're teammates. SoA only mentioned NAA coincidentally, which if they were teammates, I'd expect SoA to at least try to interact with NAA. On the flip side, NAA showed some decent moments in getting to a scumread on SoA, but I do have a couple questions.

[Marmot]

Bee? Beer.

:beerd:

[Marmot]

NAA will probably hammer the moment he sees this thread. Fair warning.

Oh, this is why SoA pinged NAA. Ok, that is kinda funny.

Point in NAA's favor tbh.

[Marmot]

There's a process involved with being a baddie. You have to figure out what you're going to do at the start of the game with your teammates. With two teammates, it's typical to split the difference- sus one and tr the other. Sometimes you wait to see how each one does early on. If someone missteps, that's the one you use as your sus for chop cred. Sussing both or TRing both is a high-risk/low-reward track record in my mental notes, because it may become obvious if you are the first one to get chopped. With three teammates, you're almost certain to find at least one to sus. Maybe it's sus one, TR one, and waffle on the third.

Falcon seems like the teammate that SOA selected to sus. He started a little waffley on Falcon, but then just kind of settled on him as a comfortable baddie read. SOA echoed comments of others about Falcon sus, but there's little if any original reasoning to why he leaned toward Falcon being a baddie. Even after throwing his vote on the Dolby train, his next post was about Falcon and how he could still see him as bad. If SOA, Falcon, and Dolby are on the same team, that's a bit awkward for him to be open to chopping two teammates at the same time, but perhaps that's the point. If Dolby and Falcon were chopped, we might second-guess SOA's likelihood of a double-bus. There's still the 4th member out there though.

In a world where Falcon is innocent, then this is a ploy to try to remind everyone that Falcon is low on people's lists in the hopes a Dolby scum flip pivots into a Falcon mischop. In a world where Dolby is innocent, this is a setup for an I-told-you-so to divert the next chop to Falcon instead of himself once Dolby flips town. For me, it's easier to digest the scenario where SOA is in a pinch and has to accept Dolby as his self-preservation vote while also having to maintain his faux-sus read on Falcon.

I want to vote so I at least leave another vote on the record to be analyzed when this day is over. If I have time, I will try to explore the rest of my POE in relation to SOA. Godspeed and good luck if I can't make it back before EOD/hammer.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Even if you don't read the JJJ outcomes of the interactive analyses, he at least did a reasonable legwork compiling the interactions to save time.

It wouldn't have surprised me if the mafia would try to bus a teammate or two early in the game, but it's becoming evident to me that they never tried, and that's coming back to bite them, because none of them were able to develop any credibility to ride the game with, nor enough energy to maintain the game pace that's being set.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Sleep] aubergine because I'm tired.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

NAA will probably hammer the moment he sees this thread. Fair warning.

Oh, this is why SoA pinged NAA. Ok, that is kinda funny.

Point in NAA's favor tbh.

Agreed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Never, I repeat never chop Marmot.

[Marmot]

@Marmot do you have an opinion regarding who among these players fits the best as an SoA teammate?

falcon, ilario, Johanna

Definitely falcon over Johanna. Johanna spotted the same post from SoA that I did yesterday, which I'm gonna take as a sign that she was just as attentive as I was to a little word choice. SoA's treatment of falcon was uhhh, I think it looked like he felt comfortable pushing a teammate who was never going to get yeeted over sig.

Moving on to review ilario.